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Lyr Add: Good Old Days of Adam and Eve

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I'M THE MAN THAT RODE THE MULE 'ROUND THE WORLD
JUST THE FACTS, MA'AM


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 02 Jul 99 - 10:06 AM

Here's a song Caroline and I collected from our nearest neighbor when we were living in Vermont. Arkley Horner gave us the first two verses and the chorus. Then we asked Helen Flanders if she had the song in her collection. She said "no," but her husband, former Senator Ralph Flanders (famed for making the motion to censure Joe McCarthy!) came up with the verse about the boys. When we were singing at the Trapp Family Lodge in Stowe one evening, one of the Trapp family daughters remembered the song being in a small Flanders manuscript collection that she had (Mrs. Flanders had apparently forgotten the song), and she gave us the verse about the girls. Later, when we sang for the State Legislature one afternoon, the head of the Vermont Highway Department sang the last verse for us, the one about the meeting house. Thus, we finally assembled a more or less complete song from the fragments.

THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE

When I was young and very little,
We used to make sugar in a pot-ash kettle.
Now you must have an evaporating pan,
And if you don't make white suger, 'tain't worth a damn!

Oh, dear me, I can't help but grieve
For the good old days of Adam and of Eve.
Oh, dear me, I can't help but grieve
For the good old days of Adam and of Eve.


When we used to go to a ball,
We went with an ox team or no team at all.
Now you must have a horse and a sleigh,
Buffalo robes and everything gay.

The boys used to be both happy and gay,
And able to work both night and day.
Now they look like an eel that is skinned,
They tremble like a cornstalk shaking in the wind.

The girls in my day didn't gad about;
If they had one dress they were well turned out.
Now they must have lots of clothes on the rack;
They look like a pumpkin, tied in a sack.

When I was young and very little,
We used to have a meeting house without any steeple.
Now you must have a steeple and a bell,
And if you don't go to meeting, you'll surely go to...

Oh, dear me, I can't help but grieve
For the good old days of Adam and of Eve.
Oh, dear me, I can't help but grieve
For the good old days of Adam and of Eve.


Collected in Vermont by Sandy and Caroline Paton
Recorded on their "EGO-30" album, 1967
Folk-Legacy Records, Inc.
Sharon, CT 06069
^^


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: Good Old Days of Adam and of Eve
From: Andy Leader
Date: 02 Jul 99 - 11:38 AM

Thank you, Sandy, for the lyrics and for the history.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 03:26 PM

I have been looking for more lyrics to this one. Here are two more versions.

Good Old Days of Adam and Eve
(Arthur Meyer, 1941)
^^
When this world was first made over
Fields of corn, perhaps some clover,
Great big trees for the cows to go under
Protect them from the lightning and thunder
Heigh ho, and I can but grieve
For the grand old days of Adam and Eve.

Now they've got their bug high steeples
Bells in the top to frighten the peoples
Temperance societies and all corporation
Everything that is vexation
Heigh ho, and I can but grieve
For the grand old days of Adam and Eve.

Voices From the Dust Bowl: The Charles L. Todd and Robert Sonkin Migrant Worker Collection, 1940-1941.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/todd:@field(DOCID+st038)


THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE

I sing, I sing of days grown older,
When men and women were the bolder,
When cash was short and credit shorter
And out of malt we brewed our porter.
Sing high, sing ho, I grieve, I grieve
For the good old days of Adam and Eve.

Then our town was nothing but a village,
And the lawyers were too proud to pillage,
And we ate and drank in all its varieties
And didn't care a hackle for temperance societies.

Then the young girls could grow a little wiser
By getting up early to see the lark rise, sir,
And they could, unless I am very much mistaken,
Have eaten for breakfast a pound of bacon.

Then in our town there were good people,
And on our church there was no steeple;
And the men went to bed all sober at night,
And the girls didn't die by lacing tight.

Then this field was covered over
With a patch of wheat, or perhaps clover,
With here and there a tree for the cattle to get under
Out of the way of the lightning and thunder.

Coll. in 1910 (place not cited) from G. C. Broadhead, with the comment: "I heard this between 1838 and 1845." From H. M. Belden, 1940 (1973), "Ballads and Songs Collected by the Missouri Folk-Lore Society, p. 431, no tune. Belden says it was printed as a stall ballad by Catnach, "I have not found it in the reports of ballad collectors."
I found two copies at the Bodleian, one printed by J. Wheeler, Manchester, c. 1837, Ballads Cat. 2806 c.17(151); the other printed by Evans, Chester, nd, 2806 c.17(152). I will post one later.

Not to be confused with the English folk song, "When Adam Was First Created"


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: Good Old Days of Adam and of Eve
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 03:39 PM

For the time being, I grouped this song with "I Was Born About 10,000 Years Ago" - not because the songs are related, but just because there's a "tall tale" element in both. I'd like to find a tune for "Adam and Eve." If somebody can do a MIDI, please e-mail it to me for posting.
-Joe Offer-
joe@mudcat.org
Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry for the song - no tunes shown in the songbook entries:

Good Old Days of Adam and Eve, The

DESCRIPTION: "I sing, I sing of days grown older... Sing high, sing ho, I grieve, I grieve For the good old days of Adam and Eve." In the good old days, the town was smaller, the people bolder, etc.
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1910 (Belden)
KEYWORDS: nonballad
FOUND IN: US(NE,So)
REFERENCES (1 citation):
Belden, p. 431, "The Good Old Days of Adam and Eve" (1 text)
Roud #7836
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Meditations of an Old Bachelor (The Good Old-Fashioned Girl)" (theme)
cf. "Twenty Years Ago (Forty Years Ago)" (theme)
cf. "Why Do You Bob Your Hair, Girls?" (theme)
cf. "You Must Live Holy" (theme)
cf. "In Old Pod-Auger Times" (theme)
Notes: Since this song is mostly whining about the new ways of doing things, it's not too surprising that the handful of known versions (Belden's, plus several known to and assembled by Sandy and Caroline Paton) have few lyrics in common. There is no question, though, that they're the same song. - RBW
File: Beld431

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    The recording by Sandy and Caroline Pation is now available on CD, Folk-Legacy CD-30, Sandy & Caroline Paton: Folksongs and Ballads - www.folklegacy.com


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: Good Old Days of Adam and of Eve
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 03:41 PM

Number 7836 in the Roud Folk Song Index, which lists mainly broadside examples at present. The song appeared in vol 1 of The Universal Songster (London, 1825).


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 04 - 04:57 PM

Several later broadsides use the tune of "Good Old Days of Adam and Eve, but I haven't found it yet.

GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE 2
(English broadside)

I sing, I sing of good days older,
When men and women were the bolder,
When bills were short and credit shorter,
And when from malt they brew'd the porter,
None but lawyers used to pillage,
This very town was but a Village,
Christmas had its christmas carrols,
And ladies sides were hoop'd like barrels.

Chorus:
Sing hey, sing ho, let people grieve,
For the good old Days of Adam and Eve.

When drinking ale made strong men stronger,
And Doctors let folks live the longer,
Wnen our grand dads brew'd strong October,
And thought it a sin to go to bed sober,
Then was the times for games and gambols,
Streets were covered with brambles,
Hedges, ditches and ponds of water,
But now there is nothing but bricks and mortar.

I'll sing-- I'll sing in jingling rhymes,
In praise now of the good old times,
When servants were as servants ought,
And beer was brew'd from hops and malt;
But now the beer, I swear and vow,
Is brew'd -- there's no one can tell how,
And all the money that servants gather,
Goes to raise a new hat and feather.

But the times are chang'd, or we *(do) dream, Sir,
Every thing is work'd by steam, Sir,
In my young days when I was little,
The only steam came from the kettle,
Now in two or three hours, or shorter
You may go by steam across the water,
And I do think that very soon,
You may go to France in a steam balloon.

Then in our farm yard our hens would lay,
Producing eggs the natural way,
Then fondly sitting on and sticking,
Until each egg produced a chicken,
But now there's a man who swears & vows and
Says chickens he can hatch by thousands (*thousand)
And all by steam which so fast he reckons,
He'l supply all-- with ducks and chickens.

When all over England's happy island
Churches and Chapels were built on dry land,
And then on Sundays folks so gay there
Would go to then, and they would pray there,
But now at novelties people grapple
They have swimming churches and floating chapels
The next they'l have I seem to dream,
Cast iron Parsons to preach by steam.

When all young men they act'd wise in,
Getting up to see the larks arising,
And could unless I'm much mistaken,
Eat to their breakfast a pound of *(fat) bacon,
And now *(over) Toms and Jerrys gay, Sir,
See Larks by night and not by day, Sir,
Get into rows and have long parleys,
And to save their bacon *(floor) the Charleys.

When young folks then they went a Wooing,
Kept to themselves what they were doing,
And did contrive their Love to smother,
Quite unknown to father or mother,
But then by the new marriage Act so scarish,
They told the affair to all the Parish,
Took affidavits and what was more, Sir,
Their names they stuck on the church door, Sir.

When every man whether wise or ninny,
Was pleased at the sight of a good old Guinea,
The front of it had King George's face on
And the back the arms and good old spade ace on
And now the sovereign I can tell you,
They are not worth so much in value;
And there St. George without a Rag on,
Galloping over an ugly dragon.

This very place that's now cover'd over,
Was a Field of wheat or perhaps of clover,
Two or three trees for the cattle to get under,
Out of the way of lightning and thunder,
No sound was heard but the small birds singing
Except sometimes the church bells Ringing,
But now those birds far away are fled,
And we are the birds that sing instead.

Bodleian Library, Ballads Catalogue 2806 c.17(151), c. 1837, J. Wheeler, Manchester.
*()- corrected or added from copy printed by Evans in Chester, no date, 2806 c.17(152).


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: Good Old Days of Adam and of Eve
From: nutty
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 01:06 PM

There is an earlier (and slightly different) version of Q's broadside here in the Bodleian dated 1828/9

Adam and Eve


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: Good Old Days of Adam and of Eve
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 02:19 PM

I don't know whether the set Sandy was talking about earlier uses the original tune (likely enough not, I'd guess) but Roy Palmer includes a Good Old Days of Adam and Eve tune in A Touch on the Times (Penguin, 1974, 62) with the words of S Blackshaw's The Scenes of Manchester set to it. The text is from The London Singers Magazine, pp 12-13 (publication details not given, but probably c.1838); whether the tune came from the same source or from elsewhere is not entirely clear.


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: Good Old Days of Adam and of Eve
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 02:28 PM

Nutty, the copy you linked (Harding B11(2692), Pitts) is dated between 1819-1844, and is labeled "New Version." Of course, Bodleian dates are very approximate. My assumption, which could be wrong, was that the 'new versions' (2-3 of them) follow in composition if not printing those lacking that statement- but nothing is certain with these broadsides.


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD: Good Old Days of Adam and of Eve
From: nutty
Date: 28 Dec 04 - 05:27 PM

Q, I gave that specific example as it was much easier to read than the copy which was dated 1828/9.

Printer: Birt, T. (London) Date: between 1828 and 1829 Imprint: Printed by T. Birt, wholesale and retail, 10, Great St. Andrew-Street, Seven Dials London

Ballads on sheet: 1 Copies: Harding B 17(216b) Ballads: 1. New version of Adam and Eve ("I sing, I sing in jingling rhymes, sirs ...") Note: Slip

The fact that it is entitled "New Version" signifies that there is an original version which is older


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Subject: Lyr Add: NEW GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 12:35 AM

From Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads, Harding B 11(2647):

NEW GOOD OLD DAYS OF ADAM AND EVE

I sing, I sing in jingling rhymes, sir,
In praise of long past good old times, sir,
When female servants housework would do,
And dress'd themselves as servants should do;
But now the servants, people tell us,
Think of naught but running after the fellows,
And all the wages that they gathers
Goes for finery—hat and feathers.

CHORUS: Sing hey, sing ho, people grieve
For the good old days of Adam and Eve.

When near our houses might be seen fields,
And a short walk took you to the green fields
Where you might sing nature's praises,
Or pick a bough pot of blooming daises (sic);
But now, if a man cannot endure all
The noise of town and wants to be rural,
He'll find the charms of nature undone,
And a good day's journey to get out of London.

When roast beef was eaten off platters wooden,
And nobody never dined without pudden,
When songs were longer and sung much louder,
And beaus wore pigtails, pomatum, and power;
But now our beaus of pride are slighters,
Keep company with gamblers and fancy fighters,
And instead of hair powder, great or small now
Never comb their heads at all now.

When rogues had a bold as well as a sly way,
And went with pistols on the highway,
Stopp'd the traveller, and without detail,
Robb'd him of his cash by retail;
But now, despising petty stealers,
Some are in robbery wholesale dealers,
Get into credit, live quite dashing,
And pay their debts with a clean white washing.

I sing, I sing in jiggling rhymes, sir,
In praise of long-lost good old times, sir,
When old and young would every one rise,
Time enough to see the sunrise;
But fashion plays a different tune now.
Folk don't get up till afternoon now;
And all such healthy notions scorning,
They get their night's rest in the morning.

When rogues whose necks strong halters suited,
Went in a cart to be executed,
Through the streets was mobs collecting,
To Tyburn—and oh! it was quite affecting;
But now they hang them all at Newgate,
And the crowds so great you can't a view get;
And though the parson prays and preaches,
They never make no dying speeches.

When all over England's happy island,
Churches and chapel were built on dry land,
And on Sundays, folks so gay there
In their best clothes went to pray there;
But now at novelty they grapples:
There's swimming churches and floating chapels;
And what does more surprising seems, sir,
There's prayers and sermons preach'd by steam, sir.

When round town there weren't any score fields,
And when old Bedlam stood in Moorfields,
Folk might stand by London wall, sirs,
And plainly hear mad people bawl, sirs;
But Bedlam was pulled down, and in a hurry,
All the mad folks were moved to Surrey.
London Wall is down, I vow, sirs,
And Moorfields is no more fields now, sirs.

When in our farmyards hens would lay, sirs,
Producing eggs in the natural way, sirs,
Then fondly sitting on and sticking
Till each egg produced a chicken;
But now there's a man who swears & vows and
Says he chickens can hatch by the thousand,
An all by steam which so fast produces,
He'll supply all London with ducks and gooses.

When people died in this world's riot,
Left and laid in their graves so quiet,
Till the day of resurrection,
Nor dream'd of being dug up for dissection;
But now there are men whose trade quite odd is:
They go out of a night to steal poor dead bodies.
To die in town the chance, gadzooks! is
Ten to one but you go to Brooks's.

"Printed at J. Pitts, Toy and Marble Warehouse, 6, Great st. Andrew st 7 Dials"
[Between 1819 and 1844.]


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