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Subject: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:59 PM Strange idea, maybe...I know a lot of children at schools in the North Lincolnshire area who would love their own recorder to take home and practise with/annoy their families with... I wondered if anyone out there in our area, had an old recorder in the loft, unused and un-tooted, unloved and desperate for a chance to be played once more? Perhaps, you or your child, or 'a friend' forgot to return a school-loaned one? I propose a recorder amnesty...no tutting or severe looks or shaking of head, just grateful thanks for any recorders that need a new home, even if they were accidently acquired in the first place. I will endeavour to find all recorders a caring home! (They will be cleaned carefully, of course, before rehousing!) Many thanks. PS If you are embarrassed about owning a recorder/admitting to still having a school one... please PM me and total privacy assured. The above post is made in good humour, but is genuine :-) I have not decided quite how to arrange the passing over of the thousands of recorders generated by this post, (!) but I am sure it will be possible, somehow with mutual discussion! |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: caitlin rua Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:35 PM I think it's a great idea. Just wish I'd known of it earlier - too late to be any use to you now! Still got me auld whistles, though. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:38 AM I only just thought of it, really. I just know quite a few children who would love the chance to play a recorder or other instrument. Sometimes even very battered instruments are useful. I had a cornet given to me, which is very tatty but it has been great to show children a real instrument rather than just photos. They like to giggle at the dreadful noises I produce with it, too! Recorders are quite good because the plastic ones can be cleaned easily. If you meant you had whistles not being used, please PM me because I am sure I can find a loving home for them, too, or at least use them in schools to give children chance to see another instrument. Maybe, you ought to just have a little try on those whistles...you never know, you may feel inspired to play again, yourself... :-) (Can you tell I am a hoarder, myself?!) Thanks for replying and will be listening for distant whistling! :-) |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 09 - 08:17 AM If Mr Red is ever in the county of Humberside (**BG**) He may very well donate a melodeon he was given. it is in the key of C and you can pick them up new for a tenner at some places (before the pound plummeted). But yes - in these straightened time kids will HAVE to learn to make more of their own entertainment. One of the benefits of a recession (er did I mena depression?) |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Piers Plowman Date: 28 Mar 09 - 09:32 AM Subject: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen - PM Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:59 PM "Strange idea, maybe...I know a lot of children at schools in the North Lincolnshire area who would love their own recorder to take home and practise with/annoy their families with..." Strange? It's a great idea! "Perhaps, you or your child, or 'a friend' forgot to return a school-loaned one?" Or perhaps a carton that fell off the back of a lorry? As I mentioned on another thread, I've acquired two little recorder students, five and seven years of age. They are the two eldest daughters of a close friend. I believe tomorrow will be the sixth lesson. Recorders are used frequently in schools here (in Germany), so there are probably huge numbers of lonely, unloved and cast off recorders lying about. The manufacturers Moeck and Mollenhauer are located here, in fact, one is not that far from where I live. They may have a special deal for schools. I could write and ask, if you like. However, the cheapest decent plastic recorders are not that expensive even at full price. A problem is the difference between German and Baroque fingering. German fingering was a terrible mistake but it's still used frequently here. Mixing the two varieties is probably not such a good idea. I bought my first recorder for 2 Euros a few months ago because my local sheet music store was having a clear out. I could ask the owner if she still has any, if this would be of interest to you (it had German fingering, however). |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 28 Mar 09 - 10:19 AM I think it would be great if there were no unused musical instruments, anywhere! PP, I think it is just the practicality of passing them on as it would be uneconomical to travel far to collect instruments. I am not sure re German fingering for recorders but I will have a look to see how it differs. As I teach recorder at schools, it is less confusing if all are using the same fingering for a note. Re the "Or perhaps a carton that fell off the back of a lorry?" I would have to say that I would have to decline any instruments acquired in that manner, lol! Re Guest's post...is it Mr Red without a cookie or a 'friend' of his trying to donate a melodeon on his behalf?! |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 28 Mar 09 - 10:57 AM Where I live, a Yamaha plastic soprano with a sweet tone costs as much as 2.5 packs of cigarettes or 2 cocktails in a bar. Bruit the idea that adults can forego something useless and improve their children's lives. i.e., buy the kid an instrument. ===== I feel that school recorder programs would be more successful if the instrument weren't introduced to young children and then dropped like a hot potato. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tim Leaning Date: 28 Mar 09 - 01:29 PM Or dropped like a hot piano??? Quick the pianos on fire use this hammer to put it out. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Acorn4 Date: 28 Mar 09 - 01:40 PM They can be a deadly weapon in the wrong hands! Seriously though, a very good idea> |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tootler Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:07 PM An excellent idea, though as others have said earlier, a decent plastic recorder (Yamaha, Aulos or Dolmetsch) costs about a fiver - the price of a couple of pints of beer. Unfortunately I had a clear out of recorders surplus to requirements a couple of years ago as a result of a similar appeal in our local paper, only this was for a school in the Carribean (can't remember which Island, maybe Grenada I think) whose stock of instruments had been destroyed in a fire. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Jack Campin Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:53 PM If a parent genuinely can't afford to buy their child an adequate descant recorder (5 to 8 pounds) they will also need food parcels to keep the kid from malnutrition. German fingering is not an issue if you buy a new one. You can't buy German-fingering recorders in the UK any more, except covered in bite marks at car boot sales. I think this idea is nuts. The only parents who'd have a motive for taking it up would be the ones who didn't give a monkey's about their kid learning music. Not a great start. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:56 PM I agree, that it is sad to think just how little a recorder costs, compared to a couple of pints. At the moment, I have 2 or 3 children who only have the use of a recorder at school.(We name the recorders owned by the school, so that children have the same one to be used at school, but unfortunately, we no longer let these recorders go home as we have lost too many and need a certain number kept at school. I loaned out my old ones but hadn't got the heart to ask for them back from children who had them, as they enjoyed having the use of one at home. For some families, it really is £5 they can't afford and like any possession, it is hard for the children to see others who seem to have everything, top notch recorder, included. For others, I find it frustrating when you know some families may be able to afford them, but don't see them as being worth spending £5 on. Maybe we should provide family sets of earplugs for the early years of constant B, A, G, tunes? Lol! :-) |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Georgiansilver Date: 28 Mar 09 - 03:06 PM What a great idea... will keep a look out for the cheap ones on the car boots. Best wishes, mike. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 28 Mar 09 - 03:21 PM Hey Jack, I missed your post, I think the posts crossed. All I was asking, was for anyone in my area, who had an old recorder which was not being used, to consider passing it on to someone who would enjoy using it. I wasn't planning anything big, just a bit of recycling! I was just hoping, at best, that a couple of people maybe found an old recorder, in their loft or garage and passed it on. If a parent was being tight rather than genuinely hard-up, I am not really bothered, although it is a little cheeky. I don't really care if they are grasping a chance to save themselves a fiver, that much, though. It is the child's perspective, I am looking at. My wish, was just for some children I teach, to have their own recorder to use at home. That's it, really. We all have different priorities with our money. For some parents, a recorder is not an important one. Fair enough. You think my idea is nuts, also, fair enough. That is your opinion. No worries! :-) If a child's parents aren't bothered about their child learning a musical instrument, I am keener that their child should be at least offered the chance by the school, providing, of course, that it doesn't cause them problems at home. I have old pupils who come back to me and tell me about their bands they are in and music they are doing and say that now they realise that learning the recorder, actually gave them more understanding and confidence to try other musical instruments. I am not being pompous, that is just the truth, in my own personal experience. I think children get most out of music,when they play along with others. Music should be fun. That is what I am trying to make it, to the best of my ability, for the children I work with by helping one or two, to have similar opportunities to the rest of the children. No big deal. Soapbox climbed off and no offence meant. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 28 Mar 09 - 03:25 PM Thanks, Mike. That is really kind. It is probably best to look for named ones, as the cheapest ones aren't in tune, always. As mentioned by Tootler, Yamaha, Aulos or Dolmetsch are well-known ones which will probably be fine. There are many other makes but the ones with no name at all, may be not too good. I am not a recorder brand expert so others may be able to recommend other ones which would be ok. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tim Leaning Date: 28 Mar 09 - 04:50 PM Ah well another joke ignored cheers mate. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: paula t Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:27 PM I bought a job lot of recorders from a school music catalogue. they were on special offer at about £1.50 each.I have given them out on a sort of "permanent loan" until the children leave the school. Many have decided to buy them. I have introduced recorder playing to every key stage 2 music lesson. Bedlam - but great fun!(Just so long as I remember to take Nurofen just before I start the lesson!) |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:36 PM Hey Paula t, can you let me know which school music catalogue? That is really cheap! I have recorder groups separate to music lessons but also encourage the children to play them within music lessons when appropriate. I have a big group of B, A, G, players but write harmony parts for pieces so they can still join in. Recorders CAN sound nice sometimes, lol! I consider it a challenge to convince people that they can do! Good luck with the Nurofen! :-) |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 28 Mar 09 - 09:42 PM I see remarks here such as 'playing recorder and annoying families' and 'maybe we should provide earplugs.' Well, I have a friend who has taught piano for many years. One day she told me that Yamaha has offered a piano with a 'mother's pedal,' which was supposed to make the piano so quiet that practice wouldn't bother her. However, nobody wanted the mother's pedal. It must be hormones, but parents and so forth have an infinite capacity for listening to their children practice. There is a low-level, but very real joy that comes from hearing your child master a new skill. I have never had children myself, but as an aunt and honorary aunt, I know the feeling well. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tim Leaning Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:52 AM I love to hear the "noise" kids make when they are playing stuff. Just annoys me that they learn how to do it properly much more quickly than I can. Clever little gits! Keep on learning them... |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:17 AM I also love hearing children play. I am lucky in that my daughters both enjoy music and both will go and sit down at the piano to chill and relax. However, I know that some who have to listen to others, do not enjoy it and see it as a noise! I know that some of the children I teach, are only allowed to practise at their grandparents, or have to go out of the way. I, myself, have a very long-suffering family but do actually get a small amount of grief, (in a fairly good-natured way!) if I get my saxophone out to practise, at certain times! However, I really only put the silly remarks to keep the thread light. :-) |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tim Leaning Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:30 AM Hmmmm someones been ironing the laces on their corset to keep them that straight. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tim Leaning Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:34 AM |If you can find ajob lot of suitable recorders as one of the previous posters did I will go halves for them with you . Have you tried via the dreaded e bay or similar? They often feature large sets of harmonicas etc. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:55 AM Thank you for that, Tim. I only need a couple of extra recorders to make sure all children have one, but will check out ebay, in case there are a few there. I must admit, it didn't cross my mind. If they were very, very cheap it would be ok. The postage will be the problem, if anything. Part of me just feels like buying the recorders, myself, but it is an ongoing thing every year, that new children would like a recorder and I feel it would be a good thing to recycle unused recorders. From the practical point of recorders forthcoming from this thread, though, it appears they are more elusive instruments than I thought! I suppose anyone interested enough to read it, would probably not want to part with a recorder as they are music lovers themselves, which is fair enough and understandable. It is maybe a case of speaking to the wrong people or 'preaching to the converted'. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tim Leaning Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:49 AM It is a good idea in principle but organising and cleaning and .... everything makes it a bit more complicated. Plus I know we have a few recorders kicking around the house like most people but they are probably too chewed and tuneless to pass on. saw one thing on e bay Under £4 a go so maybe an e mail and a deal could be made for a box full? Maybe a longer term scheme between you of a professional bent could work? I also think its nicer to have something new due to the nature of the instrument,and I dont see why kids whose parents cant or wont afford them should be punished. Some people seem to read Dickens and not learn from the grotesques he portrays in his novels. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Jack Campin Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:52 AM If you buy on-line or from a "school music catalogue" the chances are you will get something so bad it'll put the children off music for good. They won't have any way to know the reason they can't play the high or low notes or get anything in tune is not their fault. Realistically there are only two brands to consider, Aulos and Yamaha. Dolmetsch and Schott made a lot of school recorders many years ago but they were always rubbish compared to the Japanese types. Models made in Germany are out of the question because you won't have any way to know they use Baroque fingering unless you buy new, in which case they're out of your price range. If you're ordering hundreds of them, most shops would give you a bulk discount - just ask at, say Saunders Recorders. The proprietor at Saunders will also give you a straight answer about the quality of each model he sells. Never buy one with less than three separate pieces - not so much because you need to adjust the bottom joint that often, but because all the cheap two-piece ones are rubbish (and the one-piece toys are just toxic waste). Further, you don't want to allow the cheap and nasty ones into the same classroom as usable models. They'll be horribly out of tune but the kids with the good instruments won't be able to tell why the overall effect is so bad and again they'll blame themselves when they shouldn't. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:22 AM Thanks for all the posts, everyone. I am not going to keep checking this thread as often, now, so I apologise to anyone who posts after this and also thank all who have taken the time to post. It was really just a forlorn hope that I could maybe locate a couple of recorders. I learnt on a very battered and probably very cheap Dolmetsch and have only just parted company with it to give to a child who was desperate to play. They maybe are not a very good make, but I survived using it, and I remember many friends used them, too. Mine is tuned reasonably and you can get the notes you need to out of it easily. I remember being very chuffed when I was given it. The child I passed it on to, is thrilled with it. I would love to give him a brand new, top quality recorder, but I can't do that for every child who wants one. I think successful music teaching is often about making the learning environment positive and providing opportunities for children to play together, as much as possible. That is why I would like all children, who want one, to have their own instrument. I am not a professional recorder player, so I do not know as much as some about different recorders and advanced techniques, so thank you for all the expert advice, it is useful. I can, however, teach the basics and enable children to have fun whilst doing so. A professional recorder player, may have more musical skill but I have seen some who have not got a clue about nurturing and encouraging a child's self-confidence. Anyone reading this thread at a later date, who lives in the N Lincs area, who has a recorder they no longer use, even if a bit chewed, please PM me as I KNOW I will almost certainly be able to find a child who would love it,(once cleaned, of course!) teeth marks and all. :-) Thanks everyone, for your interesting posts and encouragement. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tootler Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:14 PM Jack, you are out of date about Dolmetsch Recorders. The current Dolmetsch Nova range of plastic instruments is very good. Here is what Saunders Recorders has to say about Dolmetsch Recorders in general
and about the Nova range in particular
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: paula t Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:18 PM Hi Rockhen, I'll have to check which catalogue it was. I use so many. I'll also check the brand of recorder for you. It was a very good deal, and I've not checked out the new catalogues yet to see if it's still there.The recorders sound ok.though.They are in tune and have a clear tone.(Good enough for our purposes anyway)The children have been thrilled to have their own brand new recorder .I don't lend out any to children who forget to bring them in.( I don't want to go through the worry of sterilising them each week, and the children need to learn to take responsibility for their own instruments).They rarely forget because we have such a laugh each week! |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Jack Campin Date: 30 Mar 09 - 05:51 AM The Dolmetsch Nova series are also made in Korea from the same dies and sold much cheaper as the "Kent" brand. The tenor is not too bad, albeit not in the same league as the Yamaha and Aulos (which are both cheaper) - the Yamaha has a Baroque sound favouring the high register, the Aulos is more like a Renaissance instrument giving a massive sound in the low register (you could think of it as a better-designed and much cheaper low whistle). But very few primary-school learners have the stretch to handle any kind of tenor. The alto is too expensive for what it is and the descants are simply money down the drain, the Yamaha and Aulos entry-level ones are cheaper and better. There are cheaper "stencils" of some Yamaha models - they have a Yamaha moulding number on the bottom, whatever the brand name is. These are worth having when they work. Look in music shops. Quality control will not be as good, so budget on throwing a few away. To reiterate: if you are not getting a known a reliable brand, you HAVE to check each instrument for tuning with the others in the class. The sound of a classful of out-of-tune recorders is appalling and obviously so to the kids as well as you. It's a dreadful introduction to music and will simply persuade a lot of the kids either that all recorders are crap or that they are personally not capable of making a good sound in a group, when neither is true. Are you going to be using printed course books? If so, "Recorder from the Beginning" is good, "Abracadabra Recorder" is horrible (I got a school to dump a sackful of them in the bin when I was teaching there). The books cost much more than the sort of recorder I've been advocating, so if you can't afford adequate instruments you certainly can't afford them either. What's your alternative? |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Piers Plowman Date: 30 Mar 09 - 12:39 PM I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I've just skimmed the (many) posts since I last posted. Of course, I know you wouldn't take a carton of recorders that fell off the back of a lorry --- it was just a joke and no offence meant. If I could find some inexpensive but decent recorders here, it wouldn't be a problem for me to put them in a box and send them to you. The short version of German fingering is: The low F doesn't require a "forked" fingering, which makes playing this one note minimally easier, but this comes at the cost of severe intonation problems with some other notes. It was a bad idea and even Mollenhauer and Moeck advise against the use of recorders using German fingering, but once something has been established in the German school system, you would need a crowbar to detach it again. It is easy enough to tell: Either the fourth or the fifth hole is small with German fingering and with Baroque fingering it's the other hole. I've forgotten which one, though. The way I use is to finger an F and listen to which fingering gets the right note. The other one produces a sound that's so wrong that there is no doubt. The instruments in the cheap line of Aulos recorders, Robin, are perfectly acceptable and play in tune. For what it's worth, my approach would be to have the parents pay for the recorders and try to collect a few instruments for children whose parents can't afford a recorder (without making it obvious). |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Jack Campin Date: 30 Mar 09 - 12:58 PM It's easy enough to tell a German-fingered recorder - once you've paid for it and had it shipped to you. Better to avoid the possibility. It's harder to tell a mistuned Baroque-fingered instrument. They're most likely to be off on the high A, so check that first. Some recorders may have an idiosyncratic B and C sharp - this can be worked around, but you'll need different fingerings than the standard ones if they're to be in tune with other people. The G sharp/A flat in the lower register is so variable that if you aren't using the same model of recorder for the whole group, you'll have to work out the right fingering for each instrument individually. (For players who know what they're doing this is a feature, not a bug - gives you the opportunity to tune these notes close to meantone). |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Piers Plowman Date: 30 Mar 09 - 12:58 PM If possible, I would try to ensure that all the recorders were of the same make. If you bulk order from a supplier, this wouldn't be problem. Even two good recorders of good quality may well not be in tune with each other. I believe that it is worth taking the time to tune instruments properly, but this may not be practicable under school conditions. An electronic tuner will tell you if a recorder plays in tune. I know some people don't believe in them, but I know that they really do exist, because I own one and find it very useful. It occurs to me that a penny whistle might be an alternative. I just bought one in Bb today (I've got one in C and one in D). It only cost 8.90 Euros and the smaller ones (in F and G) cost less than 8 Euros. One could probably get a discount if one bought them in bulk. It's harder to play accidentals on a penny-whistle than on a recorder, but it's not really that hard. After shopping around, I recommended that the parents of my recorder students buy a two-piece plastic recorder made by Mollenhauer. It cost about 20 Euros. It can be washed in the dishwasher, by the way, but I hope this won't be necessary. This is probably too much some parents. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Piers Plowman Date: 30 Mar 09 - 01:04 PM Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Jack Campin - PM Date: 30 Mar 09 - 12:58 PM "It's easy enough to tell a German-fingered recorder - once you've paid for it and had it shipped to you. Better to avoid the possibility." I see what you mean. I would definitely be annoyed in this case, because German fingering is rubbish and the instruments are, from my point of view, unusable. Bite marks are probably harmless. My students' grandmother had a wooden recorder made for students by Hohner, which had been in a drawer for 40-50 years. I took it home and oiled it and it sounded great. To my delight, it had Baroque fingering. I don't know if Hohner still makes recorders. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Rockhen Date: 31 Mar 09 - 12:18 PM Ta for all the advice. We do have a lot of parents who are happy and able to buy a recorder for their child. There are just a few who are reluctant for whatever reason. It is that small group of children who I want to cater for. It is usually 2 or 3 children per year. I think I have some recorders sorted for those children, now, which I know will be a nice surprise for them. I do use books in school, which the school own and load out, but I also write my own music and write harmonies for the beginner players so that we have some music they can work on and all play together. Sometimes, the more advanced players, play a harmony part written for them, which will add to a simple tune the beginners are playing. Generally, when they all perform, it sounds musical and fairly pleasing to the ear. I find ways to add to it, either by accompanying them or with harmony parts. I find many instruments sound more 'pleasing' to an outsider's ear, played in this way, violins, another example. As always the focus is on enjoyment but also on achieving a good sound and a musical interpretation, rather than just blowing a few notes in the right order. Thanks all, for your input. Hopefully, there will be some small smiling faces after the Easter holiday! |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: GUEST Date: 26 Apr 09 - 09:54 AM i am in Singapore school teacher and just chanced on thie website. So out of curiousity, i went to my school's lost and found. Lo and behold picked up some 15 abandoned Yamaha recorders. Some had names or silly things scibbled on them or even wrong notes for fingerings! They are obviously not cared for at all as they look so neglected. Also, nearly all of them are chewed (why do kids chew on recorders when they should be playing on them?) I remember i had to share my recorders with my sisters and i didn't have even one to myself. So i totally understand this article. Good work you are doing. Many of these kids probably bought new ones and never even bothered to find where their old ones went. How is wish i could send this somewhere to someone who wanted them. |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: GUEST,Stephanie Date: 27 Apr 09 - 11:06 AM I chewed really hard on all my soprano and sopranino recorders. I of course also didn't spare those that i borrowed from school. I remember gnawing hard on the school's alto and bass recorders and then left them with teethmarks and all for the next kid! haha. just a habit Ms Teacher i guess that i never outgrew. I would still bite on one if i ever did lay hands on one! They are just too irresistable! I think i gave one of my better recorders to a church and the other cheapo one, i kind of smashed it against a tree after trying to burn the other end of it in the fireplace! |
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Subject: RE: School Recorder amnesty in N Linc UK! From: Tim Leaning Date: 27 Apr 09 - 02:04 PM Hmmmm I seeee ANd how did that make you feellll..... |
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