What should Susan Boyle sing next?

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 04:25 PM

They should make an album from Susan's TV guide special,

she's so refreshing, it just makes me so happy to see her happy,

she has the voice of an angel - I once her her singing and I

thought it was Celine singing!! The TV special was the best I"ve

seen in a long time.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:09 PM

Thank you for posting the U Tube link......that was fun!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jeanie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:39 AM

I think her singing of "Cry Me a River", in particular, was superb on the TV special last week. She was *performing* (as opposed to "merely singing") with real truth and emotion. Wonderful.

- jeanie

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Aeola
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 05:14 PM

To sing with your idol in front of a huge audience and with all the baggage of nerves etc ( as reported )must be traumatic, but, to carry it off as she did is something special. I'd love to hear her sing some Jazz.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 12:56 AM

It's on YouTube.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 12:53 AM

That special must have been one broadcast in the UK? Is that where you are now, Jacqui?

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 16 Dec 09 - 09:12 PM

Wish I had seen that -- I am no musical expert but I think she has a great voice to listen to.

Jaqui - we missed you at Tom's mayoral celebrations (sorry for thread hijack)

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 16 Dec 09 - 03:23 AM

I watched the special the other night - she has blossomed and seeing her perform with Elaine Page was magic. Good luck to her, even if Mr Cowell makes another fortune as a result.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 09:28 PM

I just bought the cd and am thoroughly enjoying it.......I think Wild Horses was terrific. Not a nasty word to say........

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 04:25 PM

Looks like we have a newcomer to Mudcat.

Janice, if you'll read through other threads about Susan here, you'll find that we covered a lot of that territory. While there have been detractors, she has a lot of supporters here, who hope she'll be able to let 'er rip and belt out whatever it is she wants to, especially if it compliments her lovely voice and range.

SRS

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 02:46 PM

Janice, I think that's the best post made on this thread!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,PL
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 08:58 AM

OK Janice, take a deep breath and read : this thread

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 11:57 PM

these idiots from Idol and all the people that are supposedly helping Susan Boyle, are all wrong! Why do they think people went crazy over her? To hear her sing wild horses, no no no! here is a list of songs that would be perfect for Susan, you some emotion? and crecendo? yeah!
I BELIEVE
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
AVA MARIA
EBB TIDE
MEMORIES
MY WAY
TILL,      YOU HAVE MADE HER INTO SOMEONE SHE IS NOT, SHE PICKED "I
          DREAMED A DREAM' FOR A REASON NOW YOU HAVE HER DOING CRUMMY JAZZ CRAP WITH GUITARS, SHE IS BEAUTIFUL AND EMOTIONAL, LET HER PICK HER OWN SONGS, WITHOUT ALL OF YOU JADED SICKOS, LIKE SIMON!
SINCERELY JANICE DOERGE FISHERMANS LANE MAIDEN NC

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 02:15 PM

How many musicians do you know who like only one type of music? She may be enjoying belting out the show tunes, but she may have a good repertoir of church songs, of folk songs, of popular rock songs and torch singer ballads. It will be interesting as it unfolds.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:40 PM

Why are peeps presuming that SB doesn't actually personally like the stuff she sings?

My guess would be that she personally *loves* those show tunes, and why shouldn't she? She told the world yonks ago, that her personal dream is to be the next Elaine Page - which I'd guess, would tend to describe the type of music that she likes.

Anyway, good for her that she got through the psychological troubles she was having before. I hope she does well for herself from the work she's now doing - and it isn't all going to line Cowell's already overburdened pockets!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:22 PM

I expect she will do a CD of hymns at some time.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:14 PM

That's one possibility.   Another one is that the stuff she has done reflects her own taste also. With her high profile--and, it appears, sales-- there's likely to be another CD.   We'll probably get an answer to this question eventually.   There's no rush.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:26 PM

One hopes that with a lifetime of singing in her home community that Susan does have a good-sized repertoire. Once the hoopla and the managed stuff has run its course, perhaps Susan will be able to default to her own personal favorites and you'll hear some of the local or folk type songs that have gone unnoticed until now. So much of what people know about Susan is the stage-managed press side of things that emanate from her performance last spring. The "real" Susan may surprise people. I certainly hope so.

SRS

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 11:28 AM

I guess because I am an artist as well as a singer, the LP covers with the illustrations and photos and the liner notes and sometimes lyrics were part of the whole shared experience for me. We'd talk about not only the music but what was on those LP covers. Just not the same now, even with CD inserts. It doesn't seem like a group experience as much as it was back then with those big albums of visuals. I worked in a radio station through college, and the covers had info we dj's would share with the listeners, too.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:43 AM

The Sony Walkman came out in 1979! Thirty years ago now, and people have been using some form of personal music system ever since - when *out and about* of course. Most people when at home however, still continue to switch on the stereo - or at least I certainly do.

I have my amp & speakers connected to the laptop, and of course there are docking stations for iPods too, which do essentially the same thing. I don't think anything's really any different than it was.

Kat, you could get your grandson a twin headphone socket and a spare set of ear-phones to go with it, that way if he has a friend round they both get a set. Though it's possibly more sociable to have one ear free for chatter! On my old Sony Walkman, I even had a Mono/Stereo option, which meant when sharing you didn't lose half the music..

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:23 AM

I remember in 1970 a group of us were camping in brittany. We had a battery operated deck and a collection of records. One of these was the Bridge over troubled Water LP,whichhad all the lyrics printed on the cover. Sitting round the camp with french youngsters joining in the words , reading from the cover,, was a great highlight.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:11 PM

There may be some hope. The first thing my grandson did when he turned on the mp3 player we gave him, was to turn to his friend and hand him one of the earbuds so they could listen together. His parents bought him speakers for it, so he can share more easily and it is turning out to be a great way for him to learn lyrics.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 10:32 PM

Good point, Alice.   In a lot of ways we were really really lucky to grow up when we did--particularly when pop music was a lot of fun, you could do it yourself without a boatload of electronics---and it wasn't so damn nihilistic as it seems to be now.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 10:26 PM

Ron, re what you wrote about mp3's, I'm sad for what young people today are missing - the shared record albums that we would sit around and listen to with groups of friends, passing around the album covers and discussing the illustrations and liner notes. Music was a group bonding experience. Now I see people plugged into their personal ear buds, solitary, alone.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 09:51 PM

Record-breaking pre-order sales for her on Amazon, I understand. What I find most impressive is that that seems to imply that people are actually shelling out money for her music, rather than just take it off the Web.   I'm not tempted to buy anything by her, but if people are actually buying her music, good for her. I've read somewhere that 90% or some amazing percentage of music these days is not bought but procured through other means.   Sometimes I think Jan and I are the only ones who buy CD's--though it's classical for me and current country for her. Of course I like liner notes etc.   By and large an MP3 doesn't make it for me.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Alice
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:52 PM

Hi, Tug, if you look at the links above on this page, you'll see the thread for Wild Horses. I still like her "Cry Me A River" best of what I've heard.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:50 PM

Just googled it...pretty impressive interpretation. Good luck to her.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/2635301/First-listen-of-Susan-Boyles-new-single.htm

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:45 PM

I hear she has a single covering the Rolling Stones' Wild Horses' which is getting lots of airplay and is pretty good from accounts of people whose judgement I trust.

Subject: RE: Susan Boyle and Mudcat
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:19 PM

YES !!

Subject: RE: Susan Boyle and Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:19 PM

We've discussed many types of music over the years, not just folk and blues.

Subject: Susan Boyle and Mudcat
From: GUEST,Betsy
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:09 PM

Surely , whatever the merits of this good lady, her achievements do not belong to a music site dedicated to Blues and Folk.
Mudcat does not need to descend to the-sheep like mentality of the rest of the knobheads who support the T.V. programmes / system control - from which she came.
I try to escape all that shite by reading and contributing to Mudcat.
Joe can you remove such references to Ms Boyle into the "other " batch, but with the acknowledgement from me that (not having heard her sing) wish her every good fortune in her musical career and life in general.
Bless 'er
Betsy

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 05:46 PM

Splitting hairs there. Fact is, most of the nastiness here on Mudcat, as well as most of the plain silly nonsense, originates from the UK. I'm tired of it, as are Joe and Max.[quote]
I see some fairly nasty things from A Couple OF American contributors,and a couple of American guests, I believe Martin Gibson was an American[who seems to have been banned],Gargoyle is first rate objectionable, and there is one member[American]who is very unpleasant.
I found the clip from Peter Laban[American guest],tasteless and unpleasant.
I am not a fan of Susan Boyles Music,but I wish her every success,she has a good voice,and she is trying to do something creative, fair play to her.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 05:20 PM

The simple answer is Moderate strongly with people who can't talk to each other in a civil tongue. Once that message gets out, some of these people will stop posting and come into line.

Michaelr, you didn't help things on my thread by copying over a post by Jack Campin. That was pure shit stirring, so please don't get high and almighty. You are as bad. It caused Joe to stop my thread and merge it with this.

Hey ho, I will get my coat.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 05:10 PM

Splitting hairs there. Fact is, most of the nastiness here on Mudcat, as well as most of the plain silly nonsense, originates from the UK. I'm tired of it, as are Joe and Max.

This used to be a good forum with many knowledgeable contributors. Now, most of them have been driven away by the vast amounts of crap that appears here. Shame, really.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:27 PM

MichaelR: Sweeney & I had, as you say, a 'dust-up'; i.e a brief disagreement just between the two of us; now reconciled if you look. I can't feel it just to call that 'mean-spirited' in the same sense as the drawing attention to the comment about Ms Boyle's intellectual capacities on another thread, about which you may recall I agreed with you in the very next post to yours denouncing it; but from which you nevertheless extrapolated the generalisation over which SpleenCringe took issue with you.

You appear to me to be confusing two different sorts of discourse to mount an ill-considered attack on the bona fides of UK posters in general — American ones being invariably sweetness·&·light in their posts, no doubt!?.

You say you were 'just holding up a mirror': are not those who do that liable to catch sight of their own faces?

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:58 AM

Spleen Cringe - note that I didn't say ALL UK posters. But just look at the recent dust-up between SO'P and MtheGM, and you'll see why saying SOME is justified. There are more examples I could find, but it's not my intent to fan the flames, just to hold up a mirror.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 09:02 AM

Cultiva Cultus - I like it!

LOL! It does have something about it, mind.

It would make a great Pantheistic slogan...

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:45 AM

Cultiva Cultus - I like it!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 08:24 AM

I wonder what the etymology of culture is? And what relationship it has to 'cult'.

'Culture' is derived from the latin cultiva

'Cult' comes from (again Latin)cultus meaning worship.

There is no etymological relationship. (apart from their being from the same language)

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 07:49 AM

'The thread started today had the makings of another Mudcat brawl after about three messages, so I moved the whole thing over to an existing thread to water down the nastiness.,

Where to, Joe — can't see it anywhere.

---

See? It worked!
But in the thread started yesterday, somebody brought in mental retardation in the sixth message, and Lizzie Cornish a few posts later. Here, they don't stick out and are far less likely to cause a brawl.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 07:32 AM

"But I don't want to get too Cukltural Studies about it all......."

I wonder what the etymology of culture is? And what relationship it has to 'cult'.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Smedley
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 07:24 AM

"The impact of Susan Boyle is but another nail in the coffin of our culture; its only purpose is to make everything the same in order to facilitate marketing. "

Too gloomy, not least because she so palpably isn't the same as previous artists marketed via the same channels. She isn't Will Young, she isn't Leona Lewis - you can generalise about the techniques of selling being the same, but there remain differences of style & emphasis.

But I don't want to get too Cukltural Studies about it all.......

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: GUEST,Mad Spaniel
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 07:09 AM

"The impact of Susan Boyle is but another nail in the coffin of our culture; its only purpose is to make everything the same in order to facilitate marketing"

Have you ever heard of Vesta Tilley!! This is not a new thing and if you can sing (as Vesta could to) then why not have your five minutes.

Of course we would like to hear her sing some traditional stuff instead of the songs she is told to sing but heh that's becuase that is what i want to hear, we don't like it when people tell us to sing stuff we don't like either.

Good for her that she has had this success.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:20 AM

music's impact as well as its content.

The impact of Susan Boyle is but another nail in the coffin of our culture; its only purpose is to make everything the same in order to facilitate marketing.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Smedley
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 05:55 AM

She is currently breaking sales records -   this doesn't make her music significant, but it mnakes *her* significant for those of us who like to reflect upon the cultural/historical/social aspects of music.

I've never criticised those Mudcatters who want to wrangle over the chord sequences on a particular banjo to some old fart's version of 'Froggy Went A Courting' - that's your thing & good luck. But others here, me included, like to look at music's impact as well as its content.

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: melodeonboy
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 05:49 AM

"This whole Susan Boyle thing bores me to tears."

And me!

Perhaps the long, cold evenings have sapped some people's will to live!

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 04:44 AM

I suppose if Susan Boyle sang a song or two in my presence, I wouldn't mind. She has a nice voice and style - but her entire repertoire can be performed in an hour or so. I can't see what's left to say about her, but apparently people want to talk - and I can't see a good reason why they shouldn't. The thread started today had the makings of another Mudcat brawl after about three messages, so I moved the whole thing over to an existing thread to water down the nastiness.
This whole Susan Boyle thing bores me to tears.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: What should Susan Boyle sing next?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 04:38 AM

Hey! My post was missed off in the merger! Never mind; here it is again.

Lets keep this thread sensible and no flaming or attacking individuals on here please, otherwise I will be asking Joe to remove the thread or at least moderate it.

So no opinions to the contrary or else you'll be petitioning Pope Joe for an excommunication, huh? Well - I always thought Mudcat was a discussion group where people are allowed to think for themselves regarding matters of minority relevance - not some society for the mindlessly mutual adoration of the latest fabricated phoney MOR celebrity superstar, whatever human interest element has been woven into the mawkishly grotesque and sickening fantasy by way reality. Reality TV becomes reality music! Except reality isn't real any more - it's been annexed by the spectacle!

I tell you - it was this sort of diabolically commercialised soul-deadening CRAP that pushed me out of the box as a somewhat desperately inquisitive 12-year-old (circa 1973) thus leading me to the real stuff. It's a journey that continues to this day - and the merest thought that such mind-numbingly manipulative culture-killing so-called music still exists ensures that I remain well and truly out there - where the wild things are, the real things, the truly wonderful things which includes a whole world of human & musical possibility. Hey, and that includes folk - remember that, you guys? Mesmerised as you are by the tinsel-glare of the Susan Boyle image-myth-making marketing super-star machine.

Snap out of it. Keep it real. Here's the antidote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZmJnY6N56M

Subject: RE: Susan Boyle
From: Alan Day
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 04:17 AM

What a load of snobbish rubbish some of you write.
Al

Subject: RE: Susan Boyle
From: Smedley
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 04:01 AM

Technically better, to some ears, yes. But does it *mean* anything ?