Subject: Pigmeat revisited From: Doctor John Date: 15 Jul 99 - 05:36 PM Does anyone have an accurate transcription of the words to Lead Belly's "Pigmeat": and the translation! Where does the song come from? I've seen one line given as "take a pole and try it" and "...cold from china" is two separtate collections, although I think it's referring to a breed of pig or something. Any ideas? Dr John. |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: PIGMEAT (Huddie Ledbetter) From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Jul 99 - 07:38 PM Can't say I know what it means, but here are the lyrics. -Joe Offer- PIGMEAT (Huddie Ledbetter) Publisher: Folkways Music Publishers, Inc. Just look a here Mama You don't treat pig meat the way you should. Oh, you don't treat pig meat the way you should. If you don't believe this is pigmeat Ask anybody in your neighborhood. If you don't believe this is pigmeat Kind that you won't regret, If you don't believe this is pigmeat Kind that you won't regret, I got something about this pigmeat Mama, that I ain't told yet. I was born and raised in the country, Mama, but I'm stayin' in town. I was born and raised in the country, Mama, but I'm stayin' in town. If you don't believe this is pigmeat Mama, from my head on down. JRO
MIDI file: PIGMEAT.MID Timebase: 192 Name: Pigmeat This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Date: 16 Jul 99 - 01:48 AM That's amazin - I just love Huddie's singin - boy he 'can' sing. One of the things that makes folk gureatt, there is little profit in it so the singers sing cause the love singin :) I believe the Pig Meat he refers to is a slang word meaning ---I don't know |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: annamill Date: 16 Jul 99 - 01:59 AM How can I load this Midi stuff. I love Leadbelly and would love to hear this song. But, alas! I have no idea what the heck I'm doin'. Some Senior Programmer/Analyst, huh? I clicked on the download thingy and had an error. "sniff" LOL annap |
Subject: MIDITXT From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Jul 99 - 03:21 AM I meant to fix that, Anna - thanks for reminding me. The link above should work OK now, and send you to a site where the file is available. Alan's had some problem at his Website, so I've got it working at mine. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Doctor John Date: 17 Jul 99 - 04:16 PM Thanks Joe; it's seems nobody can come up with the meaning. There's another puzzling verse:- You can take me to the mountains and we'll find(?) pigmeat there. |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Art Thieme Date: 17 Jul 99 - 08:36 PM Pigmeat Markham was a fun Afro-American humorist & raconteur back in the 40s and 50s. Same time as Moms Mabely and Redd Foxx's early work on 78 rpm records. I'll never forget Redd's "FUGG SOAP" monologue which ended with, ",,,you just take a bar and go Fugg yourself." Where (I believe) the Village Fuggs took/got the name for their band. (recorded on Folkways; irreverant & unique---very '60s) Art |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: catspaw49 Date: 17 Jul 99 - 10:17 PM Oh yeah Art!!!!!!!! ......Lessee' now....I think there was also a line that FUGG was better than other soap cleaners so "if you can't clean it, FUGG IT." I used that one a lot in early adulthood......And wasn't FUGG made by "one of America's Foremost Manufacturers. We've been manufacturing Foremost for years. If you like Foremost, try our Giant Economy Size, Fivemost."......and "if you don't like it, return the unused portion of the product and we'll return the unused portion of your money." Was that the same routine or not??? Maybe I'll try to order some FUGG for the next time I offend someone with "dirty toilet humor." Do you remember Lenny's bit about "So I began to wonder, How dirty is my toilet."???????? Why can guys like us remember these long past "bits" and yet not remember to flush? Karen brought this to my attention the other day. I blamed it on the boys. Didn't work. catspaw |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Jul 99 - 03:05 AM But do we have an answer at to what's the "pigmeat" Leadbelly's talking about? I liked your story, Art, but is that the answer? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Art Thieme Date: 18 Jul 99 - 02:59 PM Paw, We used to listen to those 78s when the family went to the store for booze & cigarettes!! And Andy Griffith's monologue on football: "The idea was to get the ball from one end of the field to the other without fallin' down or steppin' in something" But that was on a 45 rpm record. 'Twas an introductiion to sex, for me anyhow & to risque/risky humor.---along with "8-pagers"---remember those?? Ah, nostalgia. But nowhere was there anything called wuzzzums... Must be a generation X thing. Art |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Art Thieme Date: 18 Jul 99 - 03:26 PM I'm not certain, Joe, if pigmeat can be made into a form that is longer than it is wide, but if you replace the apple in the roast pig's mouth with a few Viagra it might work. The concept is phalic probably (I think). Art |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Penny S. Date: 18 Jul 99 - 05:34 PM Mr Punch, of Punch and Judy, gets a great deal of laughs by waving sausages around. Long narrow pigmeat? |
Subject: RE: Pigmeat revisited From: Doctor John Date: 19 Jul 99 - 01:48 PM My wife Gilly mentioned that "pigmeat" was a colloquial term from years ago (possibly the victorians) for human flesh and perhaps Lead Belly is saying that he has no value as a human being but is just a lump of meat. Dr John |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: wysiwyg Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:27 PM Pigmeat indeed. http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=100917&messages=296&page=1&desc=yes#2594045 ~S~ |
Subject: Lyr Add: PIG MEAT PAPA (Lead Belly) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Mar 09 - 03:04 PM Lyr. Add: PIG MEAT PAPA Lead Belly, 1935 (Instrumental verse intro) Just look a-here mama, don't treat pig meat the way you do Ooooh don't treat pigmeat the way you do If you don't believe it's pigmeat, ask anybody in the neighborhood. If you don't believe it's pigmeat, [come down here on the grass ?] Ooooh, [come down here on the grass ?] I got somethin' about a pigmeat, sweet mama I ain't told you yet. I was born and raised in the country, mama but I'm a stayin' in town (spoken) In New York City is what I'm talkin' about (/spoken) I was born and raised in the country, mama but I'm a stayin' in town If you don't believe it's pigmeat, mama put my head on down. (Instrumental verse) (spoken) She looked at the man and I looked at the woman She knows this was Lead Belly, wasn't nothin' but pure pig meat All over Shreveport Looziana, and all in Texarkana And I was runnin' with a gal named Sylvana, she looked at me and here' what she said, the last words (/spoken) You can take me to the mournin', and there will be pigmeat there You can take me to the mournin' mama, will be pigmeat there You can take the bull to China, down to church, just anywhere Ooooh, a church, just anywhere Woooh, a church, just anywhere Take the bull to China, down to church, just anywhere (Four bars out) "12 string in standard down 4 semitones to C and played in F position, actual pitch is D flat" ARC 17181-2 unissued; "transcribed from Lead Belly King of the 12-String Guitar, Columbia Roots 'N' Blues 467893. Needs checking. Transcription by Weenie Campbell. http://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=4318.msg43833 |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Mar 09 - 05:44 PM Just listened to "Pigmeat Papa", and the second verse is incorrect. It is not 'come down here on the grass,' but I can't understand what he sings. |
Subject: Lyr Add: PIGMEAT (Leadbelly) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Mar 09 - 05:58 PM In the recording with Brownie McGee, Lead Belly sings it differently from that posted by Joe. PIGMEAT Just look here, Mama, You don't treat pigmest the way you should. Ohhh, you don't treat pigmeat the way you should. If you don't believe this is pigmeat Ash anybody in your neighborhood. If you don't believe this is pigmeat, Kind that you won't regret. Ohhh, kind that you won't regret. I got something 'bout this pigmeat Mama, that I ain't told you yet. I was born and raised in the country, Mama, but I'm stayin' in town Ohhh, but I'm stayin' in town. If you don't believe this is pigmeat, Mama from my head on down. You can take a bull to China, You will find pigmeat there. Ohhh, you will find pigmeat there. You can take a bull to China, ?? You'll find pigmeat just anywhere. Last verse needs checking. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,Stevo Date: 25 Dec 09 - 05:56 PM Pigmeat is suggestive in nature. Picture a man bragging to the world that he could satisfy another woman sexually anytime, anyday in any location as if to lure a woman with a high sexual libido. Don't cha think? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,999 Date: 26 Dec 09 - 03:12 AM "Huddie Ledbetter learned quick how politically-correct bread was buttered, and on which side. He learned to knock off singing about Brownskin Women and Yaller Gals, to hold back on all the Pigmeat Papa stuff. Prissy young Pete Seeger and his permanently PC Weavers would change the words of "Good Night, Irene" to "I'll see you in my dreams..." from the darker, dirtier, more dangerous "I'll get you in my dreams." Nothing like a fool, Leadbelly learned to fake the party line and commenced singing something he called "The Bourgeois Blues." It was a title that cut on every edge, more edges than the Folkways folk have ever understood." from the following site/blog. (Seems well researched as a btw.) http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:dbQD3jiDfSgJ:bartbull.blogspot.com/2008/09/leadbelly-and-ironhead.html+pigmeat,+leadbelly,+ It's interesting to note that "pigmeat" does not appear in Webster's. They have had the word 'fuck' for years, and many other 'crude' terms. If we ever figure out what pigmeat is or refers to, we should make an effort to ensure it gets into the next edition of Webster's by providing a published source. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,Beeds Date: 24 Jan 10 - 09:27 PM I've been foxed by these lyrics for many years. For the most part they are in the above posts but, there still remains the mystery of the last verse. I used to sing "You can take a poll and count it, I'll pass the test (jes'[just] or yes) anywhere. After reading the posts above I hear nothing about a 'bull' but I do now hear 'China' rather than 'count it'. On further listening, it sounds like he is mentioning three place names. F?????, Polon,(Poland??) China, to affirm that he can pass the test most anywhere. Have also listened to Georgia Brown's version to see if it would yield any clues but, I'm afraid to say, I remain at status quo. Coming from the UK leaves me at a huge disadvantage when it comes to American place names, perhaps someone out there could, again, grasp the nettle??? I can remember reading somewhere, years ago, that 'Pigmeat' was confidence, of a sexual nature one would presume from the context of the song, thus agreeing with what was alluded to above. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 31 Oct 10 - 07:29 AM ...an invitation to "hide the sausage" surely? RtS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 31 Oct 10 - 07:31 AM I seem to remember that the late Joanne Kelly recorded a version of this song containing the couplet You go out acorn huntin' Growlin' and a-gruntin' It was that album she made with Woody Mann, amongst others - in a yellow sleeve. Perhaps Woody could shed some light on the song. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST Date: 20 Nov 10 - 04:26 PM " Pigmeat, for example, is a deliberate acknowledgement of the status accorded to African- Americans in the past. 'Most unclean animal by Biblical standards, the pig was rated of more importance to the planter than the slave, who remained conscious of being "treated like a hog"'(Oliver, 1990: 112). The irony lay in the fact that certain blues singers prided themselves on being a 'rooting ground-hog'or 'dirty ground-hog' as a direct challenge to their earlier abasement. In addition, bacon, chitterlings, hog's maws, pig feet, ham and other meats were regarded as delicacies and cheap to obtain." From "The bedroom blues: love and lust in the lyrics of early female blues artists" by Greg Watson. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,Doc John Date: 21 Nov 10 - 02:50 PM Glad the thread is still around. No I can't hear 'bull' either; is it perhaps 'Polish China' a breed of pig. One day we'll find the meaning! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,Liz Date: 04 Aug 11 - 03:38 AM There's a Toni Morrison book that has the term Pig Meat in it too. In that respect it means a really young attractive girl, probably a virgin. Not entirely a derogatory term either! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: Jim Dixon Date: 06 Aug 11 - 11:44 AM From a glossary in Wit, Character, Folklore & Customs of the North Riding of Yorkshire by Richard Blakeborough (London: Henry Frowde, 1898), page 429: Pigmeat: The refuse of the kitchen and dinner-table gathered together, and saved with other swill in a tub for pig-food. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,barrelhouse words :a blues dialect Date: 23 Aug 11 - 08:38 PM Pigmeat is a young woman and Hogmeat is a older woman A more modern slang translation Pigmeat = Jailbait Hogmeat = Milf From 1929 Willie Baker "Bad luck Moan" Some likes pigmeat, Hogmeats what I crave I believe they sure gonna, carry me to my grave. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,matsyodara Date: 06 Sep 12 - 07:08 AM You can take me to the mountain There will be pigmeat there You can take me to the mountain mama There will be pigmeat there You take the Poland China Stand the test just any where. Oh, a test just anywhere Oh, a test just any where You take the Poland China, stand test just anywhere |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,matsyodara Date: 06 Sep 12 - 12:29 PM This is the real deal |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 14 - 09:22 AM According to one site "Pig meat is Black-American slang for an older woman" http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=Pig+Meat&offset=0 |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 14 - 09:26 AM Whilst here it says that Pigmeat "was slang for young stuff - as in jail bait." http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2010/11/the-forgotten-pigmeat-markham.html |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,iwbiek Date: 30 Dec 17 - 03:05 PM I know this might not be popular, but I tend to believe blues lyrics make sense most of the time, and that the perceived crypticisms are usually due to poor enunciation/pronunciation and/or poor recording quality. Therefore, my vote goes for "take a boat to China." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pigmeat (Leadbelly) From: GUEST,Armchair Farmer Date: 30 Dec 17 - 09:41 PM A Poland China is a breed of American domestic pig, from 1800's Ohio, crossing a Polish pig and a Big China pig for one of the largest breeds at the time. That may be the lyric opposed to "take a boat to China" |
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