Beatles Remastered

Subject: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 09:47 AM

If you're in the UK, I don't know about elsewhere, you can hardly have failed to noitice that all the Beatles records have been remastered and reissued.

I bought 'Abbey Road' this morning and have to say I'm pretty impressed. But to expect us all to pay top whack again, well I'm not too sure...

Ed

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:56 PM

I think this has litle to do with Beatles memories but more greed by the record company. It's a shame. None of the Beatles back catalogue has ever been on the lower priced shelves such as "nice price" or cheap label except one early Beatles on "Hallmark" I believe. I bought the last album (Love) and also the excerpts and snippets (anthology) released in the 90's. I have all the albums and won't buy these. I bought the Byrds remastered series and didn't find too much difference, but then I am old enough to have some hearing loss and also was one of the crowd when Hard day's night was filmed.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: pdq
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 01:07 PM

Michael Jackson bought the rights to the Beatles songs many years ago. Not sure if they have been re-sold since.

I remember Paul McCartney objecting to the use of "Revolution" in a commercial. Jackson had it pulled.

Does anyone know if these new releases put money into the Jackson family fortune?

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 02:12 PM

Michael Jackson and Sony Records own the rights to Northern Songs.
However McCartney's MPL Communications company later succeeded in personally acquiring the publishing rights to Love Me Do, Please Please Me, P.S. I Love You, and "Ask Me Why from EMI.
Read The Rest
Either way this is yet another cash grab by various parties

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 02:28 PM

Does anyone have ears that can actually hear a significant difference, let alone an improvement, between the original version and the re-mastered (ie re-packaged) version?

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Leadfingers
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 02:32 PM

£180 for the set ?? No Thanks !

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,paco rabanne
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 02:33 PM

I was sick to death of the bloody Beatles 30years ago. What is it about our music scene that simply wont move on? Every month I go into W H Smith's in Hull and scan the magazine front pages, ie Q, Word, Uncut, Mojo. Guess who is usually on the front cover? Bloody Dylan, Lennon or McCartney. MOVE ON !!!!

                        Mrs Paco O'Griffin

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 02:38 PM

Simple, The Beatles perfected the closest you'll ever get to the perfect popsong. You're can hear their influence in many of today's pop groups. Often imitated, never bettered. Having said that I will not be forking over £180 for the set.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:04 PM

Being cynical, there's also the matter of original releases passing one by one out of the copyright period and into the public domain. Presumably (I am not a copyright expert) the re-mastered editions count as new recordings, with copyright extending another fifty years from their release.

That said, apparently there's a mono edition of the whole lot which I've heard truly rocks- most of the stereo releases were done before the art of mixing for stereo was perfected (eg drums and vocals in one speaker, guitars on the other). I always preferred the sound of my Mum & Dad's original (mono) vinyl copy of Revolver to the various stereo mixes of songs that appeared on later compilations. But much as I'd love to have the whole lot, in a handy convenient digital package, I don't think at £199 I'll be rushing out to buy it

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:08 PM

Jonny,
the mono recordings of Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band are infinately superior to the stereo, the same goes for The Beach Boys Pet Sounds

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: pdq
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:15 PM

Same with Jazz from the golden age, about 1955-65. The stereo versions of the LPs, when they exist, are usually worth less than the mono and are less sought after by serious listeners. Some people go so far as buying mono-only cartridges and listening on a single speaker.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Smokey.
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:30 PM

The Beatles perfected the closest you'll ever get to the perfect popsong.

I'd agree with that, but for 'Johnny B. Goode'..

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:41 PM

I need my head remastered. I must say, I've thoroughly enjoyed all the specials showing old video clips of the Beatles. I have most of their stuff but haven't listened to it in a long time. It sounds might fine to me, as is. Maybe dogs can tell the difference?

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:41 PM

I'm told bats can tell the difference, Jerry!

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:50 PM

I have downloaded countless collections of alternate mixes and "takes" of tracks from Beatles albums which are infinitely more interesting than the official releases - and in many cases they are in superb quality as well. In particular I would recommend the various takes for the Please Please Me album - some of which demonstrate absolutely useless guitar solos. They could have done with one of Lord Sutch's lead guitarists!

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Marc Bernier
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:53 PM

I'm sorry for the thread drift but are we in the middle of some kind of significant Beatles Anniversary or something? Every corner I walk around for the past month I walk into something Beatles. VH1 on the cable television is play 10 days of nothing but Beatles at the moment. They're all over the godamn radio. And now here on my favorite folk music forum too! I realize they were once more popular than Jesus or something like that, but there seems to be a lot of Beatles stuff going on at the moment.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 03:53 PM

Bonzo, you mention Lord Sutch's guitarists, Bernie Watson comes to mind, I think Watson also played with The Cyril Davies All Stars.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:01 PM

"I would recommend the various takes for the Please Please Me album - some of which demonstrate absolutely useless guitar solos."

I'm afraid the rationale of that senstence eludes me.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,paco rabanne
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:14 PM

They were musical pygmies graced with a competent EMI producer and massive press driven hysteria.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:18 PM

Funnily enough someone at Decca Records made the same mistake, as illustrated by the poster who uses the term musical pygmies. Were you relate to the someone at Decca by chance?

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 05:20 PM

That was me, Mrs O'Griffin. I had to come in as a guest. The Beatles were truly, truly basic/average/dull/simple. If you think otherwise, you really ought to get out into the world more.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,Edthefolkie
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:24 PM

Oh b*gger, I must have been in a monastery for the past 46 years then!

What powerful and intelligent critiques we do get on the interweb.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:38 PM

A very large monsatery I think. With a lot more people inside it than outside sulking in the cold...

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:47 PM

There are several early Beatles songs (actual recordings, not covers) on the latest Sears in-store sound track just lately. It's leapt from Sinatra and "I'll Be With You In Apple Blossom Time" and others of that ilk to...the Beatles.

It's scary to think how many years they were recorded before the birth of, say, the manager of the Sears Portrait Studio.

Linn

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 07:56 PM

BatGoddess, think about this, Love Me Do (The Beatles first single in the UK 1962)will be 50 years old in 2012

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: pdq
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 08:18 PM

A few years ago I saw this LP on eBay and bought it:

                                                       "Beatle Crazy" picture disc

Never heard of the song before that, but it is cute.

Where else could you use the line "pass the DDT".

Clifton is still not recognized as a big star, despite his amazingly fine body of work.

The song originally came out in 1963, the year Clifton managed the Old Time and Bluegrass portions at the Newport Folk Festival.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 09:22 PM

All the attention is because they're releasing a Guitar Hero game with 50-some of the Beatles hits spanning their whole career. But then, I guess you'd have to be up to date on video games AND have an interst in playing electric guitar... not exavtly cornerstones of the Mudcat community... :-)

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 09:52 PM

From someone with a 14-year-old son ("up to date on video games AND" has an interest in playing drums): it's not Guitar Hero, it's Rock Band.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 10:11 PM

Paul McCartney acknowledged that The Beatles had effectively disbanded in a November 1969 interview conducted by Life magazine
All those years ago.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 04:07 AM

The Beatles were truly, truly basic/average/dull/simple.

Whether you agree with this or not (and I don't, as it happens), the point is that pop/rock music doesn't have to be clever, complex, above-average, blah, blah to make its point. There's an indefinable "something" to some pop/rock that makes it special, that makes it speak to people. Some music has it, some doesn't.

I recall listening, many years ago as a teenager, to "Juke Box Jury" on BBC TV (remember that, you oldies?). The record played was "Nutrocker" by Bee Bumble & the Stingers. It was fantastic - it absolutely rocked. The dumb Jury's verdict - a "miss". The audience's verdict - a "hit". It had that indefinable "something", and so did the best of the work by the Beatles.

Having said that, I shan't be buying any CDs of the Beatles as I have all the music on the original vinyl.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 05:32 AM

Just sharpening the bamboo stylus, dusting the valves on the Quad 22 outfit, checking the connections to the B&W's DM1's before an afternoon of proving to myself [and the neighbours] that there's always been more in those microgrooves than appeared on those shiny discy thingy's!

Forget the remasters listen to the old masters!

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 07:36 AM

I sit corrected. My Grandson has Rock Band, an expansion of Guitar Hero to a full band, and my son, and my Grandaughter all play along and have a great time. They live a thousand miles away, so I haven't had the opportunity to join them.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Marc Bernier
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 07:37 AM

Thank you Jerry. So this all has to do with a video game. I have a tough enough time posting to mudcat, I know nothing about playing games on this thing.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Rasener
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 08:04 AM

Why would you want to buy, unless you haven't got any already.

Rob dogs springs to mind.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 08:52 AM

I don't think anyone in his/her right mind would refer to The Beatles as dull!

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: bfdk
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 09:28 AM

Hehe, it's just GOT to be one heck of a set..

A blind mate of mine is very much into music of various kinds and wanted this set, which sells for about DKK 2.300 here. He talked his usual CD pusher into letting him have the set for DKK 2.000 flat and went to get it just before closing time yesterday. Mate flashed his credit card, CD pusher's wife entered the sum total into the machinery, mate entered his password and the card terminal started emitting wildly screeching noises. Upon inspection it turned out CD pusher's wifie had by mistake entered a grand total of DKK 200.000 instead of the intended 2.000. And the sum HAD been transferred..!! Mate was on the phone with his bank this morning to sort out the details of getting his money back (or rather the bank's, as his account doesn't even hold that sort of money). CD pusher has promised to re-imbourse any accrued interest on the transaction, so he should be ok eventually.

Oh yes, it's gotta be some box set, that's for sure :o))

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Cleverthreads (inactive)
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 11:40 AM

The Beatles' remastered box sets
The albums are in the order they were originally released in the UK.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: sian, west wales
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 07:33 AM

Just read that Lucy , the girl with kaleidoscope eyes has passed away.

In the sky with diamonds.

sian

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: rich-joy
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 04:49 AM

Hmmmmm …… because I only had a few vinyls survive the last 45 years ( 45? Crikey! ), I lashed out and bought the Mono set (plus the Stereos : Let It Be and my all-time favourite : Abbey Road)

I can't say I've been at all disappointed!

My partner (he's a Scouser, who emigrated to Oz in '64) and I, are really enjoying the teenage nostalgia trip (didn't like much else about being a teenager – just the music!)

We are amazed at the way all the words automatically come back, for almost every song, and, knowing automatically what the next song will be! Wonder how many times we heard all those LPs for that to happen?! ….. and this is despite the busy lives we've led over the last 45 years and the huge amount and variety of music we've heard / enjoyed / performed ourselves, since those days.

However, I do find that I am now taking much more notice of the arrangements and instruments and harmonies (instead of sighing over a pic of Ringo, I guess - LOL!)   
I can also hear songs that sound just like Groups that came later! (as well as earlier influences).
…. and I reckon that they use the word "love" in their songs, more than any other artists in history!!!!
…. s'funny, Paul was my "least favourite" Beatle at the time (I dunno, too baby-faced or something), but now I can appreciate what a great and versatile voice he had!!
Though their overall sound is, of course, recognizable as "The Beatles", there is still a huge variety within that sound, and you cynics, that's not all down to George Martin, either!!!

I can't help feeling that it's kinda sad, that so many of today's kids don't have much exposure to music with Melody and Harmony …….. or am I just being ageist?!

Cheers,
R-J
(Down Under)


PS        I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the recording called "Rubber Folk" where British folk artists have covered Beatles songs from the "Rubber Soul" album – I'd love to hear more of those!

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: rich-joy
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 08:18 PM

A footnote to my rave, above :

IMHO, another thing that makes their "sound" and legacy great, is that they had 4 singers who could, and did, take leads. (OK, Ringo only had about one song per album, but nevertheless ...)

Most groups have only 1 lead singer, maybe 2 ... therein can lie "sameness" and the possibility of becoming boring (especially after you listen to a whole LP/CD!!)

With all the groups I have been involved in, we always prided ourselves on having all members who could sing leads (and often, also most harmonies!) : more interesting for both us and the listener!

The Beatles easily achieved all that, and, they were all songwriters too.

--end of rave--

Cheers,
R-J

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Janie
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 09:30 PM

An NPR show "Sound Opinions" which focuses mostly on the assorted genres of modern rock music extensively reviewed the remastered collection a couple of weeks ago. The upshot was this. If you already have the music on vinyl or CD and can play it, don't buy it again. If you don't already have the music, and have a really, really good sound system and love the Beatles, buy it. If you don't have a really, really good sound system, you won't notice the difference in sound quality in the remastered releases. In other words, if your plan is to upload them onto your computer to download to your mp3 player, or are going to play them on a mediocre or mini-system, don't bother. It is only on a quite good sound system that the improved sound quality is detectable.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:14 AM

Sorry but I have to debunk and correct the *Totally Ignorant and Inaccurate* things that paco rabanne and Paco O'Barmy (and anyone else said) about The Beatles.


As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography "That it's difficult to summarize their career without restating cliches that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans, to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century."


"Moreover they were among the few artists of *any* discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did *and* the most popular at what they did." THey also say as singers John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock.


Also on an excellent site,The Evolution of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennnis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are quoted saying what a great,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been'


And Wilco's John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it's unbelievable." "With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive."

And in an online 1977 Eric Clapton interview,Eric Clapton In His Own Words he says that there was always this guitar game between John and George,and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself.He played live with John as a member of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band.

And there is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that ERic Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks.


John Lennon co-wrote,sang and played guitar on one of David Bowie's first hits Fame in 1975 and David invited John to play guitar on his version of John's beautiful Beatles song Across The Universe.Brain May,Ozzy Osbourne,and Liam Gallagher and many more call The Beatles The Greatest Band Ever.


Also on MusicRadar Tom Petty,Joe Perry and Richie Sambora in What The Beatles Mean To Me all say how cool and great they thought The Beatles were when they first saw them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964 when they were just teen boys,Richie was only 5.Tom Petty said he thought they were really really great.


Robin Zander of Cheap Trick said he's probably one of the biggest Beatles fans on the planet.Brad Whitford of Aerosmith said that a lot of that Beatles influence comes from Steven Tyler's collaborartion with Mark Hudson both whom are absolute Beatles freaks and he said I guess the goal is to try and emulate probably some of the best music of the last 50 years which has to be The Beatles.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:16 AM

Also in an excellent Beatles book Ticket To Ride by Denny Somach where so many other well known popular respected rock musicians and artists are interviewed about The Beatles praising them including Jimmy Page,Brian Wilson who says he's always loved The Beatles. And Brian Wilson called John & Paul the greatest song writers of the 20th century on a 1995 Nightline Beatles tribute show,(which had on music artists from every type of music,a young black jazz musician,a middle aged black opera singer,Steve Winwood,Meatloaf,and classical violnist Isak Perleman,who said he plays his children Bach,Beethoven Mozart and The Beatles)and he played With A Little Help From My Friends on the piano and he said he just loves this song. He also said that Sgt.Pepper is the greatest album he ever heard and The All Music Guide says in their Beach Boys biography,that Brian had a nerveous breakdown after he heard it. Brian also said that when he first heard The Beatles brilliant 1965 folk rock album Rubber Soul he was blown away by it.He said all of the songs flowed together and it was pop music but folk rock at the same time and he couldn't believe they did this so great,this inspired him to make Pet Sounds.



John Lodge and Justin of The Moody Blues are interviewed in this book and Bill Wyman and Ron Wood says how The Rolling Stones became good friends with The Beatles in 1963 after John and Paul wrote 1 of their first hits,the Rock n Roll song,I Wanna Be You're Man.


Ron Wood was asked what his favorite Beatles songs and he said there are so many apart from the obvious like Strawberry Fields I Want To Hold Your Hand is one he said he used to like a lot ,and he said he really loved We Can Work It Out.He also says that The Beatles used to have a radio show every Friday where they played live and spoke and he would never miss an episode. He said infact whoever has the rights to those shows should dig them up,because they are incredible.


Justin Hayward says that the album he always really loved ,and he said it was when they started experimenting with chord structures ,was A Hard Day's Night.He says they began to move away from the standard 3 chord thing and just went into more interesting structures .He said A Hard Day's Night was the album for him and their song If I Fell was the song.He said it started in a different key to how it ended up,and it's a beautifully worked out song and that there are some songs on that album that were very emotinal and evocative. He said that for everybody just starting to write songs as he was,it was a real turn on and eye opener.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:18 AM

The Beatles revolutionized popular and rock music and were very innovative,prolific and creative,more than any other group. And their great timeless songs are the most covered in music history by everyone from jazz musicians,classical,Motown,rock,pop and even heavy metal recording and playing their great timeless music.



Many academic musicologists and music scholars have done serious studies,analyses and praise of their great timeless music,like university of Penn gradutate musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an extensive 11 year detailed analysis of every Beatles song.He says he hadn't even listened to The Beatles in 20 years until they came out on CD for the first time in 1987.He said The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn was one of the things that motivated him to do his Beatles study.He demonstrates that even though a lot of their lyrics were simple in most of their really early songs,most of their music wasn't and that a lot of their early songs have as many as 9 chords and interesting and unsual arangements.Paul's great rocker,You Never Give Me You're Money on their excellent amazingly modern sounding rock album,Abbey Road has 21 chords.


And university of Michigan music professor and musician Walter Everett who wrote the 2 volume,The Beatles As Musicians:The Quarry Men Through Rubber Soul and The Beatles As Musicians:Revolver Through Anthology.And British musicologist and classical composer and music professor (who is dead now)Willifred Mellers 1973 book,Twilight Of The Gods:The Music Of The Beatles,and he also wrote about Beethoven,Mozart and Bob Dylan.


And award winning music professor Dr.Glen Gass who has been teaching a course on what brilliant composers The Beatles were and a rock music course at Indiana University School Of Music since 1982.Dr.Gary Kendal's Beatles course is the most requested at North Western university ,university of California also has one and Oxford university had a recent Beatles course.


How many serious music scholars and award winning music professors are teaching and writing serious academic works studying and prasing what "brilliant" composers The Rolling Stones or any other rock bands were?

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:19 AM

Also, classical composer Leonard Bernstein called John and Paul the greatest composers of the 20th century so did Elton John on a 1991 CBS Morning news show,he was asked who he musically admires and he said you can talk about your Rogers and Hammerstein but for the quanity of quality songs that Lennon and McCartney wrote in that short period of time,he said he thinks they were the greatest song writers of the 20th century.Brian Wilson said this too on a 1995 Nightline Beatles tribute show. The Beatles are in the Vocal Hall of Fame and John and Paul have been in the song writing Hall of Fame since 1987,Keith Richards and Mick Jagger have been in it since 1993,but as of now no members of The Who,or Led Zeppelin(who I totally can't stand even a half of a second of) are in The Song Writing Hall Of Fame or The Vocal Hall Of Fame,The Rolling Stones aren't in The Vocal Hall of Fame either and The Beatles were awarded about 20 prestigious Ivor Nevello awards as great singers and song writers in just a remarkable 8 year recording career,John and Paul won the first one in early 1964!


They also won an Oscar and a Grammy for their film score of their 1970 film Let It Be.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:21 AM

Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds and music   critic   William Mann of   The London Times   as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out   that even in early Beatles    songs like She Loves You and   I   Want To Hold Your Hand   had unusual and   interesting chords and they arranged them.


And as early as late 1963   a   music critic Richard Buckle   in The London Times   called John and Paul the two   of   the most   briliant composers since Beethoven   after John and Paul composed the music   for   a ballet Mods and Rockers.

And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits, I Wanna Be Your Man in   late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs.


John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting off the ground,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Krammer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc.


Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 17,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on.Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16!

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:26 AM

And I have been a huge highly impressed Beatles fan(specifically a big John and Paul fan) since I was nine years old and I started to collect their albums then,I got my first Beatles book for my 11th birthday and I had every album by age 13. I was born after 1964 too. And I have always loved all of their music,including their great A Hard Day's Night album. I don't even like other music from 1963 or 1964 and I don't like 1950's oldies music.


I once said to a guy friend's stepfather(my friend liked Frank Zappa and his brother 10 years older than me had a big music collection and he loved The Beatles too)that John Lennon and Paul McCartney)are rightfully widely regarded by most people,most rock and music critics,and many other well known respected rock musicians and artists as 2 of the greatest song writers of the 20th century and he said I think so too.

When I was 11 my music teacher asked us to guess who he was talking about when he said they were genuises and they wrote over 100 songs most of them critically acclaimed and popular in just 8 year recording career,and I guessed totally right when I said,John Lennon and Paul McCartney The Beatles and he smiled and said yes,that's right!

When I was in third grade,a teacher in library class played Abbey Road on a little turn table and she said they were genuises.



My step cousin who was born in 1958 saw Paul & Wings in 1976 & he said it was a great show & he said The Beatles probably were The Greatest Band Ever & my first cousin who was born in 68 (he & his older brother born in 62 who are both lawyers and his oldest brother born in 60, his,parents & sister who was born in early 64 have always been fans) said when I asked him when he was 23 if he still liked them,he said best band that ever was.


He told me that when he was at the British Museum where Lennon & McCartney's song lyrics are in a glass case next to Sahkespeare,Dickens,Wodsworth & Keats everyone was like forget them lets go over to the Lennon & McCartney lyrics.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,THe Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:31 AM

And George Martin himself said in an online interview I found around 2002 said that he has worked with many different   music artists but that he has never known or worked with anyone as brilliant as The Beatles!


In his biography All You Need Is Ears he refutes that he was   the one who had most to do with The Beatles music. He admits most of the ideas came from them. He also said in the great only authorized 1968 Beatles biography by Hunter Daviesn that in their music they were always ahead of everybody else and he also said that in their music they have an instinctive awareness of what to do and he said they were always ahead of everyone else.



And if anyone ever reads the excellent book,The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn which is a very detailed music diary of of every recording session in their amazing only 8 year career, which has interviews with their recording engineers,tape operators,George Martin quotes,and a very good interview with Paul in the beginning,they would see how truly creative,and innovative especially John and Paul were in the recording studio and that most of these great musicial ideas came from them.


George Martin was also once inerviewed on a rock station Beatles program and he said what is clearly obvious and true, John Lennon and Paul McCartney were incredibly talented people(and he said it like he still couldn't belive it.), they both were   extrodinarily talented song composers and great singers.And notice how Ringo working with George Martin for 8 years didn't turn him into a brilliant song writer like John and Paul,and George Martin has produced many other music artists but non of them have had as much critical acclaim,success or popularity as THe Beatles.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:34 AM

Dear GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever

Your enthusiasm for the Beatles obviously has no bounds and I also recall being knocked out by them in 1963 when I heard their first singles. I too have some of their albums and acknowledge their impact on pop music at the time.

However, pop music has always gone in waves. Part of the huge impact of Elvis Presley in the mid-50s was the sheer difference of what he was doing vis-a-vis the popular stuff of the period. When the 1950s-style rock'n roll began to become samey and predictable - whizz! - along came the Beatles with a different take and style. Later on came waves of other music which redefined music for their respective generations - heavy metal, glam rock, punk...

Before losing my heart and brain over what was undoubtedly a great pop group, I like to think that many of the great chord sequences were first penned by Bach, that Chuck Berry wrote some of the greatest lyrics in pop history (try the words to "Nadine", for example), and that popular song composers from the 1920s-1940s were writing some beautiful and intricate songs with chord progressions to die for. The Beatles take their rightful place among these - and would acknowledge their debt to many of them.

Subject: RE: Beatles Remastered
From: GUEST,The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock Band Ever
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:34 AM

The   Beatles   wrote, played and   recorded so many great critically acclaimed, popular songs and albums of   all different styles of   music and   wrote about   50 or   more   years worth of    mostly great   music in   just   an   8   year   recording   career.



When The Beatles were playing live in 63,64,65& 66 they had very limited primitive sound systems at the time,only 100 watt amplifiers,(and George Harrison says in the excellent video series,The Beatles Anthology that special 100 watt amplifiers were made for their August 1965 Shea Stadium concetts,and he said they went up from the only 30 watts before!) no feedback monitors   so they couldn't even   hear   themselves   play and sing(yet   they   amazingly managed   to sing   and play in sync and   in   tune with each other anyway!) plus all   of   the   screaming   from   the   crowds.


In   their January 1969   live rooftop   concert they sounded   great, the sound systems had improved some by then ,although still pretty primitive compared to   today's, and   there were no screaming crowds   anymore.


When I   was   a   teenager I   met   3   people who saw   The Beatles in concert,   2   saw them   in   1966   and   1   saw   them   in 1964, they   all   told me   they could see and   hear them and   that   they   were   great.



On   the site   Artist Facts   in   The   Rolling Stones   section   a   guy Steve from   Canada   said he saw The   Beatles in concert in 1966 and The Rolling Stones in 1996(and the sound systems by then were a million tines better!) and   he   said don't get me wrong,The Stones were great but they were no match for The Beatles and he said The   Beatles   were   The   *GREATEST*   Band ever!


And former Kiss guitarist   Bob Kulick   who produced   the   heavy metal tribute Beatles album,Butchering The Beatles, said he saw The Beatles at Shea Stadium in 1966 and he said he only heard them in bits and pieces but he could hear   parts of Baby's In Black and Paperback Writer and he said they sounded amazing. He also calls them the *GREATEST* band ever.