Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:46 AM

Incidently, I was served By John Spiers in The Music Room in Cleckheaton this morning, really nice bloke.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:43 AM

Smooth Ops have different definitions than normal people, after all, it is about money, nothing else, and this is why if they say a trio is a duo for their purposes, it is, and likewise a newly written song is traditional and a 40 year old song is original.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Chris Green
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:27 AM

Re my previous post - three out of five aint's bad! Nice to see Kat and Jamie up for the Horizon, although there's some stiff competition. And if EII don't get best live act there really is no justice in the world.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:25 AM

It is a non-traditional song which, if more than a year old, must have had a significant interpretation or performance in the past 12 months to qualify.

So the panel votes for both the interpretation and the song.

Jim Moray's All You Pretty Girls (an XTC cover) won last year largely because of his highly original arrangement.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Howard Jones
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:47 AM

One anomaly which strikes me is the nomination of The Testimony of Patience Kershaw for "Best Original Song". Nothing wrong with the song of course, but it was written 40 years ago. So are they voting for the song or for the Unthanks' performance of it?

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Banjiman
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:46 AM

Thanks Dave.

As you say, an imperfect system.

Though I do think some of the nominations are very good!

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:43 AM

Strange, isn't it....that The Music of the People isn't allowed to be voted for, by The People themselves.

And the reasons for that are........?

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 06:58 AM

Some of that might be confusing. Sorry. Let me add some further information....

The list is sent as an aide memoire. It also helps people to remember what was released during that year,(though as we have seen in the past the year has been known to stretch). I am currently putingtogether a radio show of records released this year. That's be a god send to me. To be honest I am going to fudge it.

The panel nominates up to THREE names in each category, not just one, so the breadth of voting is probably a lot wider than people realise.

Another improvement I think would be useful is if the BBC published on their website a list of everyone who got even one nomination, as fRoots does with its critics poll. Then you would get a sense of just how wide the original range of nominations were...

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 05:57 AM

Nomination process.

A number of luminaries are sent a list of POSSIBLE nominations. The number of luminaries varies - but around 150 as a median. Festival organisers, record companies etc. They can add to the list if they like.

They send in a vote for each category (or not as they like) Top four become nominations. Then they vote on those.

Things wrong with it? How long have you got?

It depends how you look at it. It can be great publicity for folk and often is.

Budget has been slashed in recent years.

But for an artist it means the difference between slogging up and down the motorway from gig to gig to finding it easier to get gigs close together. More festival gigs. A sense of worth.

To me the greatest wonder is how they manage to get things so wrong occasionally. The Pink Bunny Rabbit being an obvious one.

And it wouldn't hurt to publish the voting figures.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:05 AM

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Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Banjiman
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:26 AM

I can't remember what the nomination process is R2 Folk Awards. Can anyone remind me?

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:21 AM

Interesting that the nominations for the Horizon Award has 3/4 of Kerfuffle. What has Tom done wrong? :-)

Otherwise I suspect it represents the festival scene rather than (say) the club scene.

And as TBE rightly points out SOH are not a duo.

From the website:

Miranda Sykes has been performing with Show of Hands since 2004, augmenting their unique sound with her powerful double bass and rich harmonies. In this time the band have moved on from their folk duo image, and evolved into a hard hitting acoustic band, selling out UK and European tours and headlining some of the biggest festivals across the world.

Hey ho.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:20 AM

Cock up there then.

I am pleased to see Saul Rose in there for Musician Of The Year.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 02:40 AM

Indeed, they are officially a trio now.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Silas
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 02:11 AM

SoH best duo?????

I love 'em, but they are not a duo!

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 01:53 AM

RADIO 2 FOLK AWARDS NOMINATIONS 2010

FOLK SINGER OF THE YEAR
Cara Dillon
Jackie Oates
Jon Boden
Martin Simpson

BEST DUO
Belshazzar's Feast
Damien Barber & Mike Wilson
Megson
Show of Hands

BEST GROUP
Bellowhead
Lau
Mawkin:Causley
The Unthanks

BEST ALBUM
Here's The Tender Coming – The Unthanks
Hill of Thieves – Cara Dillon
Hyperboreans – Jackie Oates
True Stories – Martin Simpson

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Arrogance Ignorance and Greed – Steve Knightley (performed by Show of Hands)
Home Again – Martin Simpson
One Day – Martin Simpson/Martin Taylor (performed by Martin Simpson)
The Testimony of Patience Kershaw – Frank Higgins (performed by The Unthanks)

BEST TRADITIONAL TRACK
Cutty Wren – Mawkin:Causley
Sir Patrick Spens – Martin Simpson
Spencer the Rover – Cara Dillon
The Isle of France – Jackie Oates

HORIZON AWARD
Hannah James & Sam Sweeney
Katriona Gilmore & Jamie Roberts
Nancy Wallace
Sam Carter

MUSICIAN OF THE YEAR
John Kirkpatrick
John McCusker
Martin Simpson
Saul Rose

BEST LIVE ACT
Bellowhead
Edward II
Lau
The Bad Shepherds

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 06:42 PM

Wow, Spiro... my local band.... cool :)

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Rasener
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 02:47 PM

Crow Sister, I think it would be better just to put each artists Myspace A/C link.

My 5

http://www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomanthonyjohnclarke

http://www.myspace.com/churchfitters

http://www.myspace.com/stevetilston

http://www.myspace.com/kerfufflemusic

http://www.myspace.com/jezloweandthebadpennies

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Chris Green
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 02:01 PM

You're right - it is pretty representative. Not all of it's my bag, but I guess that's kind of the point of it really. Nice to see a little eclecticism! And Tinariwen are one the most exciting outfits around at the moment.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Chris Green
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:58 PM

That should of course read 'Katriona' not 'Katrina'. Oops.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:58 PM

(a) FOLK AWARDS
Lifetime Achievement Awards for Leon Rosselson & Wizz Jones

(b) YFA
My best hope (Tom Moore) went out in the semis. Still, he's only 15 . . .


(c) fRoots CRITICS POLL 2009

Perhaps people should look at the nominations:

NEW ALBUM

Bassekou Kouyate & Ngoni Ba: I Speak Fula (OutHere)
Jackie Oates: Hyperboreans (Unearthed/One Little Indian)
Justin Adams & Juldeh Camara: Tell No Lies (Real World)
Khaled: Liberté (Wrasse)
Martin Simpson: True Stories (Topic)
Oumou Sangare: Seya (World Circuit)
Spiro: Lightbox (Real World)
Staff Benda Bilili: Très Très Fort (Crammed)
Tinariwen: Imidiwan (Independiente)
The Unthanks: Here's The Tender Coming (EMI)


RE-ISSUE OR COMPILATION

Chris Wood: Albion (RUF)
Franco & Le TPOK Jazz: Francophonic Vol. 2 (Stern's)
Various: Legends Of Benin (Analog Africa)
Various: Panama! 2 (Soundway)
Various: Three Score & Ten: A Voice To The People (Topic)
Woody Guthrie: My Dusty Road (Rounder)


Hard to think of a more representative list.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Chris Green
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:54 PM

Just a list of bands I've seen this year who've particularly impressed me. Some well-known, some less well-known - but all deserving of recognition!

Spiro
Edward II
Boldwood
Katrina Gilmore and Jamie Roberts
Belshazzar's Feast

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:47 PM

Yes please: "a long splurge on each act."
Some of us don't necessarily know...

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Rasener
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:43 PM

Nowt wrong as far as I am concerned.
However, I guess there are many jealous performers who don't get on the list and don't like it.
There are also the blinkered (I won't vote for anybody or listen to anybody who doesn't meet my approval) folkies.

Rather than be negative, lets just put up on here 5 acts who you would like to see in any of the lists. No long splurge on each act, just their names.

Some people I would like to see get in the lists are

Anthony John Clarke
Churchfitters
Kerfufffle
Jez Lowe and The Bad Pennies
Steve Tilston

There are many more, but I did recommend 5.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:09 PM

The Radio 2 Folk Awards are er........................

fRoOtS is er........................................

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 01:00 PM

(a) The R2 Folk Awards nominations are subject to a vote among the industry to determine the "best" in various categories over the past year.

(b) The Young Folk Award is a competitive event for the under-20s.

(c) The fRoots Album of the Year is voted on by (roughly the same?) luminaries as (a).

(a) and (b) labour under the added disadvantage of being under the auspices of the Smoothies.

May I be the first to complain about (b) on thegrounds that the final is being held this year in the theatre at Broadcasting House which holds an audience of around 6 and (at the moment of typing) I have not yet received an invitation and thus may be absent for the first time in 10 years.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 12:47 PM

Well this year, will be the first I've even known of them, let alone heeded them, or indeed had the chance to grumble about them! So I guess I'll take note this year, and treat the results the same as I would any other media promotional event ie: not all that seriously.

Subject: RE: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: SunrayFC
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 12:36 PM

what a shame

change your name to obnokshus

Subject: Folk Awards, Young Folk Awards, Froots A
From: Folknacious
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 12:31 PM

It will be a bonanza next week for those who love to whinge. On Wednesday Radio 2 announce the nominees in the Folk Awards, then on Friday there's the final of the Young Folk Awards and the announcement on Radio 3 of who won the Froots Album Of The Year. Can I be the first to complain that I disagree with something, so that I can then take offence when somebody disagrees with me? ;-)

Does anybody want to open a book on how long it'll take before

a) Somebody says that awards are pointless
b) Somebody else disagrees with them
c) A thread on the subject (maybe this one) reaches 100 posts . . .