English trad

Subject: RE: English trad
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 11:54 AM

Galicia, Brittainy, Cornwall, Scotland, Ireland, Manx and so on they all belong to the celtic music traditional,all i am asking is, where did the English trad come from, we know where the celtic trad came from.

Subject: RE: English trad
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 11:25 AM

Dodger, could I suggest if you have a point you'd like to make, it's far better to simply make it, rather than to talk in riddles. We could at least then know what it is you want to discuss.

If it's traditional English music you want to discuss, you could do worse than follow the link I gave you and that you seem to have ignored. Of course there is crossover between some English songs and some English-language Irish songs, just as there is crossover between some English tunes and some French and Scandinavian tunes, and just as the border between Northumbria and Scotland, musically at least, is highly porous.


If you are talking about truly ancient music from this corner of the world from 1500+ years ago, can you show me where the evidence is that we can know what any of sounded like and where its roots were? When we talk about the traditional music we still know about, little of it is more than a few hundred years old and most of it is considerably younger.

Maybe you can give a few examples of the sort of songs and tunes you mean - English or "Celtic" (a fairly meaningless term that includes a disparate spectrum of traditional musics from Galicia, Brittainy, Cornwall, Scotland, Ireland, Man and so on - and none of which exists in a cultural vacuum).

I suspect you'll come across a bit less like a troll if you stop acting like one... and at least then we can enagage in useful discussion that we all might learn from.

In the meantime you might want to get yourself a copy of this book: The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story

Subject: RE: English trad
From: Stu
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:54 AM

I assume the answer you got thesession.org wasn't enough?

Subject: RE: English trad
From: GUEST,Dodger
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:50 AM

Dear cboody, you write a lot but say nothing please get to the point if there is one. the devil a care eat the rich.

Subject: RE: English trad
From: GUEST,dodger
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:40 AM

Hi, Celtic music was playd in what the English call England, before the English came here, does the celtic trad not play a part in english trad? the devil a care eat the rich.

Subject: RE: English trad
From: GUEST,Gusty
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:32 AM

http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/23195

Subject: RE: English trad
From: IanC
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:31 AM

Nope ... things eveolve ... shall we take bell music as an example?

Subject: RE: English trad
From: GUEST,dodger
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:30 AM

So you are saying it appeard from nowhere?

Subject: RE: English trad
From: IanC
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:26 AM

Doesn't have to be 1500 years old to be trad.

Subject: RE: English trad
From: GUEST,dodger
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 10:23 AM

Dear IanC did the English bring the trad with them when they came to Britain? the devil a care eat the rich.

Subject: RE: English trad
From: IanC
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:50 AM

Let me see ... where do i start ...

Almost all bell music is English Trad
Most Christmas carols in English are English Trad
Even a large proportion of traditional music labelled "celtic" is English trad.

You might perhaps better ask what isn't English Trad

:-)

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:04 AM

The English people are the people living in England.

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: GUEST,dodger
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:03 AM

Dear GUEST,Ed you said Possibly from English people playing their own music,but who were these English people you talk about?
the devil a care eat the rich.

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:03 AM

There are any amount of English Traditional Musics, Dodger - like I say, choose your genre: pop, rock, classical, jazz, drum & bass, bhangra, free-improv etc. etc. Like Guest, Ed says: English people playing their own music...

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:56 AM

if there is such a thing as english trad music

Of course their is. To suggest otherwise is pretty damn stupid.

Where did it come from

Let me think.... Possibly from English people playing their own music, and keeping what they liked???

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: GUEST,dodger
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:50 AM

Sorry i spelled dodger wrong,if there is such a thing as english
trad music where did it come from, i think it should be called
english/celtic trad.the devil a care eat the rich.

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:44 AM

I know what you said, Guest; sounds like you're wanting Revival Folk Music which is quite possibly the least Truly Traditional genre currently going down in our Green & Pleasant land just now. Last I heard it's level pegging with Elvis Presley Impersonation...

The last time the road rose up to meet me was when I was so drunk that when I fell over I was still upright, if you see what I mean. As far as I was concerned, the road had literally rose up to meet me and I was clinging to it so as not to fall down the street. Not pleasant, but very traditional!

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 08:14 AM

This should get you started, Doger: English Folk Dance & Song Society

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 07:43 AM

I did say English trad music dear Suibhne O'Piobaireachd, does it have any thing to do with celtic trad music,
May the road rise up to meet you.

Subject: RE: Folklore: English trad
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 07:33 AM

Most any music played in England I would imagine, doger. Name your genre & be glad.

Subject: Folklore: English trad
From: GUEST,doger
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 07:10 AM

What is english trad music