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Subject: Peace in the Valley From: Erik Date: 06 Apr 97 - 05:33 AM I'm Looking for the lyrics to "Peace in the valley". Thanks. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: PEACE IN THE VALLEY (Thomas A. Dorsey)^^^ From: Ralph Butts Date: 06 Apr 97 - 08:46 AM Erik...This version is from Johnny Cash, who does it on several albums, always with slight variations in the words. No author is given...Tiger
(THERE'LL BE) PEACE IN THE VALLEY (FOR ME)
Well, I'm tired and so weary but I must go along,
CHORUS: There will be peace in the valley for me, someday,
Well, the bear will be gentle and the wolf will be tame,
Added to DT Oct 98. |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Erik. Date: 06 Apr 97 - 11:21 AM Thanks a lot, Tiger! According to Cash' "At the Folsom Prison and San Quentin the author is T. Dorsey. I could not figure out all the words from that CD. |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: dick greenhaus Date: 06 Apr 97 - 12:30 PM T. Dorsey also wrote Precious Lord, Hold My Hand. There's a neat video out on gospel called "Say Amen, Somebody" in which Dorsey appears. |
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Subject: ADD: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jul 02 - 08:52 PM The version above was added to the Digital Tradition (click). this may be a bit closer to Dorsey's original lyrics. -Joe Offer- (There'll Be) PEACE IN THE VALLEY (Thomas A. Dorsey) I am tired and weary but I must toil on Till the Lord comes to call me away Where the morning is bright And the Lamb is the light And the night is as fair as the day. CHORUS There'll be peace in the valley for me, some day There will be peace in the valley for me. I pray no sorrow and sadness or trouble will be There will be peace in the valley for me. Flowers will be blooming, the grass will be green, And the skies will be clear and serene. The sun ever shines, giving one endless beam And no clouds there will ever be seen. CHORUS Words And Music by Thomas A Dorsey. ©1936, Thomas A. Dorsey source: Gospel's Best - Words and Music (Hal Leonard Publishing, 1983) I looked in a stack of hymnals and didn't find this one. The Hal Leonard book is probably a pretty good source, but if somebody has another source, please double-check it for us. Was the lion/lamb verse written by Dorsey? -Joe Offer- Alternate second verse: The bear will be gentle and the wolf will be tame, And the lion shall lie down with the lamb, And the host from the wild will be led by a child, And I will be changed from this creature that I am. CHORUS Alternate verse transcribed from a recording by R.H. Harris on Precious Lord: Recordings of the Great Gospel Songs of Thomas A. Dorsey |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Genie Date: 29 Jul 02 - 10:49 PM Peace in the Valley words and music by Thomas A. Dorsey Well, this site supposedly has the lyrics that Elvis sang (1957), but I'm not sure how accurate the transcription is. They have one line as "The beasts of the wild shall be lit by a child..."! So I think the " ...and the lamp is alight..." line may be a mondegreen. But I think Elvis did sing "...and the night, night is as black as the sea...", as they say. (It was either "...black as the sea..." or "...bright as the day...". Joe, I've checked several websites that have lyrics for this song, and they all have the "...lion shall lie down by the lamb..." verse attributed to Thomas A. (Andrew?) Dorsey. Here's a link to the words and the musical notation for harmonica click here. The "...that's what it says..." phrase in the first verse is, I believe, just some singers' ad libbing. Genie |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Stewie Date: 30 Jul 02 - 02:57 AM Joe, the 2 versions that I have handy - R.H. Harris on 'Precious Lord: Recordings of the Great Gospel Songs of Thomas A. Dorsey' Columbia CK 57164 and Sister Rosetta Tharpe on 'The Great Gospel Women' Shanachie 6004 - both accord, with minor changes, with the first stanza and chorus of your posted version and the third stanza of the Cash version, but both have: 'The host from the wild ...' though. Neither version has a 'flowers and grass' stanza.
I am tired and weary but I must toil on |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THERE'LL BE PEACE IN THE VALLEY FOR ME From: masato sakurai Date: 30 Jul 02 - 03:04 AM This, I think, is the original.
THERE'LL BE PEACE IN THE VALLEY FOR ME
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CHORUS:
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SOURCE: Bernice Johnson Reagon, ed., We'll Understand It Better By and By: Pioneering African American Gospel Composers (Smithsonian Institution Press, 1992, p. 162 [Example 37]); and Great Gospel Songs of Thomas A. Dorsey (Hal Leonard, 1988, pp. 2-3) ~Masato
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Genie Date: 30 Jul 02 - 04:50 AM Once again, you come through, Masato! Thanks! It's great to have all the verses. Genie |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: masato sakurai Date: 30 Jul 02 - 06:37 AM This is one of Dorsey's best-known gospels, but like Joe Offer I haven't found it in hymnals I have. Not even in African American Heritage Hymnal (2001), which includes four other Dorsey songs in it. Moreover, I can't understand why "Peace in the Valley" is not discussed in Michael W. Harris's The Rise of Gospel Blues: The Music of Thomas Andrew Dorsey in the Urban Church (Oxford UP, 1992). ~Masato
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Subject: ZDTStudy: Peace in the Valley From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:48 PM Masato, I checked in a terrific book called Ev'ry Time I Feel the Spirit, but Gwendolyn Sims Warren. The book has exactly the same lyrics you posted, with the exception of one word in the fourth verse. Can you double-check your sources and see if they really do say "confession"? Thanks. -Joe Offer- 4. No headaches or heartaches or misunderstands, No confusion or trouble won't be, No frowns to defile, just a big endless smile, There'll be peace and contentment for me. I'm marking this thread for DTStudy indexing. Looks like we have the complete text now.
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: masato sakurai Date: 31 Jul 02 - 12:17 AM Joe, you're right; "confusion" is the word, as is in the Hal Leonard book. In Reagon's book, however, the word is written as "confussion" (with double s), which was the cause of my mistake. ~Masato Correction made in the text Masato posted. |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 31 Jul 02 - 08:32 AM If you want to find this in a hymnal, it's in the New National Baptist Hymnal, published by the National Baptist Publishing Board in Nashville, Tennessee. It's a great hymnal for old black gsopel and spirituals, and cost about $9, plus shipping. I use it all the time.. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 02 - 01:09 PM Looks like I gotta have that hymnal, Jerry. I couldn't find it at Barnes & Noble, but this site (click) has the New National Baptist Hymnal. Thanks for the tip. -Joe Offer, who has about 75 hymnals- |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 31 Jul 02 - 01:20 PM Hi, Joe: You'll enjoy the hymnal (I've got a lot of hymnals and it's the one I always go to first.) A couple of months ago, GIA Publications, Incorporated in Chicago release a new hymnal" African American Heritage Hymnal: 575 Hymns, Spirituals and Gospel Songs. It's a good resource too, although it costs substantially more than the New Baptist Hymnal. I looked for Peace in The Valley and it wasn't in the African American Heritaqe hymnal. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: masato sakurai Date: 31 Jul 02 - 08:02 PM Thanks for the info, Jerry. I'll get the New National Baptist Hymnal too.
~Masato, who has more than 20 hymnals. |
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Subject: RE: Peace in the Valley From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 31 Jul 02 - 09:31 PM When I have something that you don't have, Masato, I am truly impressed!!!! Not for long, though...:-) Jerry |
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Subject: Tune Add: Peace in the Valley - 1939 From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 04 Jan 07 - 12:33 PM When I was a kid, I learned a song called Peace in the Valley from a Pat Boone 45. I've been singing it his way ever since. Peace in the Valley was written by the Rev. Thomas A. Dorsey, an African-American minister and resident of St. Louis (among other places, I think.) This Christmas, I bought a book (from Hal Leonard Publishing)called "Great Gospel Songs of Thomas A. Dorsey" to give to friends. To my surprise, the melody and words for Peace in the Valley are quite different from what I learned. I've listened to various MIDI's of this song on the net, but the sites don't make the difference clear. I found three or four new-fangled versions and only one original. So, if Joe is willing, the MIDI that I made of the melody as written by Thomas A. Dorsey should appear here. The song is still copyrighted, but I think that we can regard this MIDI as "a short excerpt for scholarly purposes." The melody occurs twice in the MIDI - once in the original key of F, for high soprano, and then again in the key of C for lower voices. In the second-to-last measure, the word Peace gets two notes. If there is much interest, I will post the original lyrics later. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Peace in the Valley - 1939 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Jan 07 - 01:17 PM Masato posted Dorsey's words above. The DT has a version by Johnny Cash. Joe Offer posted the words in the Hal Leonard book, same thread. |
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Subject: RE: lyr/tune ADD: Peace in the Valley From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Jan 07 - 01:42 PM Threads combined and tune added. Leeneia, if your words are different from those above, please post them. Your tune is certainly different from the one I know. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: lyr/tune ADD: Peace in the Valley From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Jan 07 - 02:27 PM At Allmusic, there are some 350 listings, some under variant names. It would be interesting to see lyrics by Elvis Pressley, Light Crust Doughboys, Rosetta Tharpe, Doc Watson, and some of the gospel groups, in addition to Pat Boone. (And any distinctive renderings. Pressley recorded it several times; I wonder if there was any variation through time). |
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Subject: RE: lyr/tune ADD: Peace in the Valley From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 04 Jan 07 - 10:03 PM The words in the 1939 book are the same as Masato's above. Re "Your tune is certainly different from the one I know." Yes, it's different from the one I know, too. I like both tunes. Dorsey's is sweeter, somehow. I'm sure that book I have gives the melody as written by Dorsey. The pages of this book look very old-fashioned. I think that the Hal Leonard outfit simply used old sheet music and didn't go the expense of any new typesetting (or whatever they do nowadays instead of typesetting.) Another unexpected bonus of getting this book is that now I know where the line "I got shoes, you got shoes. All of God's children got shoes" comes from. |
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Subject: ADD: Peace in the Valley chords From: Cluin Date: 09 Aug 07 - 05:40 PM Just thought I'd add the chords to Peace in the Valley here, at least the way I play it. F#dim xx1212 3/4 time *or optionally a C9 x32333 the F#dim could also be replaced by Fm, but the diminished chord sounds better to me. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Cluin Date: 09 Aug 07 - 05:40 PM Above chords based on the Red Foley version, my favourite one. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Cluin Date: 09 Aug 07 - 05:43 PM And also, where there are two chords in a bar, it is always 2 beats for the first chord and one beat for the second. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 09 Aug 07 - 07:20 PM Red Foley did some good ones. His "Peace in the Valley" is the one that comes into my mind too. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: PEACE IN THE VALLEY (Thomas A Dorsey) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Jan 09 - 02:27 PM PEACE IN THE VALLEY Dorsey Lyrics Thomas A Dorsey, 1951 (1939?), words and music. 1. Well, I'm tired and so weary, but I must go along; Till the Lord comes and calls me away, oh, yes; Well the morning is bright, and the Lamb is the Light; And the night, night is as fair as the day, oh, yes. Chorus: There will be peace in the valley for me some day; There will be peace in the valley for me, I pray; There'll be no sadness, no sorrow, no trouble I'll see; There'll be peace in the valley for me. 2 There the flow'rs will be blooming, and the grass will be green; And the skies will be clear and serene, oh, yes; Well the sun ever beams, in this valley of dreams; And no clouds there will ever be seen, oh, yes. 3 Well, the bear will be gentle, and the wolf will be tame; And the lion shall lay down by the lamb, oh, yes; Well the beast from the wild, shall be led by a little child; And I'll be changed, changed from this creature that I am, oh, yes. Copyright 1939 by Thomas A. Dorsey. Posted here is the copyright text assigned by Dorsey in 1951 to Hill and Range Songs, Inc., NY, "International Copyright Secured." "All rights reserved including the right of public performance for profit." One of many gospel songs purchased or obtained by the Auerbach brothers for Hill and Range. Most of Dorsey's ended up with them. I cannot find a text by Dorsey with earlier verifiable date on the Internet, only covers; changes might have been made by Dorsey and Hill and Range for the 1951 transfer of copyright. What is the earliest version sung by Mahalia Jackson? She was the demo singer for Dorsey in 1939, but her recordings came later. The first recordings by her of Dorsey songs seem to be "What Could I Do?" and "If You See My Saviour," 1946. The lyrics in the DT are by Cash or other, not Dorsey; Red Foley was the first to get a top ten rating with his cover. Many covers changed the 'night is as fair as the day' line. Text and music copyright by Range and Hill Inc. reproduced in several gospel song books; used here was: V. B. (Vep) Ellis, asst. John T. Benson, 1960, "Western Melodies, Gospel and Spiritual Songs," John T. Benson Publishing Co., Nashville, Tennessee. Pp. 124-125, with musical score. Lyrics and knowledge search is out of order; I may be duplicating. |
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Subject: Lyr. Add: VALLEY OF BLESSING (Wittenmyer, Fisher) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:56 PM This revival hymn has similarity of content with "Peace in the Valley," but that could be coincidental. Second verse is closest in idea. THE VALLEY OF BLESSING Annie Wittenmyer, music Wm. G. Fisher 1 I have entered the valley of blessing so sweet, And Jesus abides with me there; And His Spirit and blood make my cleansing complete, And His perfect love casteth out fear. Refrain Oh, come to this valley of blessing so sweet, Where Jesus will fullness bestow; And believe, and receive, and confess Him, That all His salvation may know. 2 There is peace in the valley of blessing so sweet, And plenty the land doth impart; And there's rest for the weary, worn traveler's feet, And joy for the sorrowing heart. 3 There is love in the valley of blessing so sweet, Such as none but the blood-washed may feel, When Heaven comes down redeemed spirits to greet, And Christ sets his Covenant seal. 4 There's a song in the valley of blessing so sweet, And angels would fain join the strain, As with rapturous praises we bow at His feet, Crying, "Worthy the Lamb that was slain!" Written ca. 1880. Included in Ira D. Sankey, 1880 and later, "Sacred Songs and Solos with Standard Hymns Combined;" partial google copy on line with score. Also "Hymns of Consecration and Faith, no. 204; error-filled typescript copy on line through Google. Also Cyberhymnal, with midi. The Valley of Blessings is Beracah of the Old Testament. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A Dorsey) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Jan 09 - 03:46 PM Red Foley (1951) seems to have been the first to change the 4th line, 1st verse, from: And the night, night is as fair as the day, oh yes, ... to And the night, night is as black as the sea, oh yes,... Pressley did the same. Line 3, 1st verse, in Pressley changes from: The morning is bright and the Lamb is the Light,... to Well the morning is bright and the lamp is alight,... Texts on the internet variously have errors in line 3, verse three. In a Foley transcript (credited to Warner-Tamerlane Pub. Co.,), the line becomes: And the beast from the wild will be 'laid' by a child,... In others, 'led' becomes 'lit'- Pressley, etc.; this appears in several lyrics websites. Are these mondegreens, intentional variants for copyright reasons, or just printing errors? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: GUEST,Phillip Date: 16 Jun 09 - 11:46 PM Peace in the Valley was written by Tommas A Dorsey (Tommy Dorsey) the big band leader. His brother was Jimmy Dorsey. He was not African American, nor was he a professional Minister. He wrote this song after his first wife died while he was on the road with his band |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey From: Azizi Date: 17 Jun 09 - 12:05 AM There is absolutely No doubt that it was African AmericanThomas A. Dorsey , Blues pianist/composer and Father of Gospel music,and not Swing Jazz Band leaderTommy Dorsey, an Anglo-American, who composed the religious song "Peace In The Valley". |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Jun 09 - 12:09 AM Guest Phillip, that is wrong! The song is by the black musician and gospel song composer, Thomas Andrew Dorsey. No relation to the white Thomas Francis Dorsey, bandleader and trombonist. This bit of confusion has been drifting around for some time. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey From: Azizi Date: 17 Jun 09 - 12:13 AM Here's an excerpt from Thomas A. Dorsey : "In 1931, Dorsey experienced great personal tragedy again: the death in childbirth of both his wife and newborn son devastated him. As he related in the documentary Say Amen Somebody, "People tried to tell me things that were soothing to me ... none of which have ever been soothing from that day to this." Out of that tragedy he wrote the song for which he is best known, "Precious Lord," which has been translated into 50 languages and recorded with success by gospel and secular singers alike, including Elvis Presley, much as Dorsey's "Peace in the Valley" was a hit for Tennessee Ernie Ford and others. In 1932 Dorsey was appointed musical director of Pilgrim Baptist Church in Chicago, a post he held until his retirement in 1983. 1932 was also the year he formed the National Convention of Gospel Choirs and Choruses with blues singer Sallie Martin. Their collaboration would continue over the years as his fame spread, Martin often accompanying him on his tours around the country. She also helped him with his publishing business, which quickly became so successful that people nationwide called any piece of gospel sheet music a "Dorsey."... [My italics added for emphasis] ** Here's an excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_A._Dorsey "[Thomas A] Dorsey wrote "Peace in the Valley" for Mahalia Jackson in 1937, which also became a gospel standard. He was the first African American elected to the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame and also the first in the Gospel Music Association's Living Hall of Fame. He was inducted into the Gennett Records Walk of Fame in 2007. His papers are preserved at Fisk University, along with those of W.C. Handy, George Gershwin, and the Fisk Jubilee Singers." |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey From: Azizi Date: 17 Jun 09 - 12:22 AM Here's a link to a YouTube video (song recording) of "Peace In The Valley" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLME4DUr5ec Gospel Harmonettes: Peace In The Valley "Birmingham, alabama premier female gospel group. the gospel harmonettes" ** Here's a link to a YouTube video (song recording)of "Tennessee Ernie Ford - Peace In The Valley - Country Gospel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuLXRHZFAio |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: GUEST,hg Date: 17 Jun 09 - 12:23 AM Where did I see the film on Dorsey? Was it the Gerogia Music Hall of Fame? Or folklore class? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:13 PM I would like to see the MIDI I posted upthread be added to the Digitrad or the Mudcat MIDIs. It is the original tune composed by Dorsey, and it isn't easy to find. Is that still possible? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 18 Jun 09 - 09:41 PM Joe & Leeneia, the link for that MIDI appears to be no more. Can you supply the abc for that, Leeneia and I can make up a new MIDI file for Joe? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 19 Jun 09 - 10:56 AM I don't know ABC, but I have a nice MIDI of it. As I said, it's came from a Hal Leonard Co reprint. I've changed the key from F to E to make it more guitar friendly. Even put down a step, the key is a high one. I may have said this already, but it works better to change 'I am tired and weary' to 'I am weary and tired.' If you try singing it, you will see what I mean. I like to play this tune (as well as the 'new' tune) on my fretted dulcimer. I will send the MIDI to Joe. |
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Subject: Peaceful Valley From: GUEST,Felipa Date: 19 Jun 09 - 11:26 AM this reminded me of another song and I don't see the lyrics at Mudcat "peace, peace the valley of peace where no troubles are known ... like heaven to me,peaceful valley my home" anyone here know this song? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Jun 09 - 01:11 PM I think the one you seek is "Valley of Peace," Carrie E. E. Breck, recorded long ago by Victor. I haven't found the lyrics. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jun 09 - 01:54 PM Uh-oh. Sorry about that. the MIDI was on Jon Freeman's Website, and I moved all those MIDI files to Mudcat but haven't figured out a way to update all the links automatically. That link is fixed, and it has been added to the Mudcat MIDI database. In the meantime, here's a link to my Website to the new MIDI Leeneia sent:I was able to FTP to Mudcat MIDIs for a while, but then FTP was down again and I had to use my own space - but now it should be back at Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: GUEST,bingobango Date: 29 Jun 10 - 05:11 PM We are trying to locate an ABC of "Peace in the Valley" expressly for the chords which are quite nice. Heard the tune played by Kenny Sears on a Bluegrass 20 Hits CD. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: Ebbie Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:40 AM It is funny what tricks memory plays. As an Elvis fan from the beginning I loved his voice and most of the songs he recorded. When he came out with Peace in the Valley that is the version we all sang. However. I did not recall that he sang 'night is as black as the sea', which to me doesn't fit the premise of the song. 'night is as fair as the day' is the only thing that makes sense there. So I YouTubed- and yep, Elvis sings 'night is as black as the sea'. Humph |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Peace in the Valley (Thomas A. Dorsey) From: GUEST Date: 15 Feb 14 - 11:25 AM Does anyone know who the other singers are on that first 1930's Mahalia Jackson recording of Peace in the Valley? Its my favorite version. Also does anyone have the chords to that version? |
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