Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song

Subject: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 10:50 AM

Smokers Are Scum        12-25-09, by C.Denney
(a holiday song; gentle commentary on one of the obvious perils of street performing)

I play the street fairs
I play from the heart
fiddle and guitar
and squeezebox for art
we play for the old folk
we play for the bums
but we don't play for smokers
cause smokers are scum
smokers are scum
smokers are scum
they know they're addicted
they know smoking's dumb
they know that exposure
is deadly to us
but they're hoping we're stupid
and won't make a fuss

smokers are addicts
they know smoking kills
they're too frigging lazy
to smoke somewhere else
what's the big problem
with walking away
I wish their smoking
would kill them today

smokers are fools
smokers are fools
they shill for tobacco
like industry tools
making us share
their addiction's a farce
take your stupid cigarette
and shove it up your arse

don't light up near me
because if you do
I got a squirtgun
and my aim is true
folks think they're helpless
but I say they're not
pick up some bug spray
give smokers a shot

smokers are stupid
and ugly and dumb
smokers expose you
cause they think it's fun
they won't smoke elsewhere
because it's too tough
smoking will kill them
but not fast enough

(bridge)
it gets in your clothing
it gets in your hair
cause asthma cause cancer
but smokers don't care
the deep inconvenience
of walking away
it too hard for smokers and
that's why I say

pick up some bug spray
some air freshener too
don't let a smoker
light up next to you
their rights have ended
where your lungs begin
pick up your squirtgun
and baby you win
they'll poison your street gig
they'll poison your lungs
they won't put on patches
or just chew some gum
they're screwed-up and stupid
and ugly and dumb
they'll poison their mothers
cause smokers are scum
(coda)
be glad it's just bug spray
instead of a gun (…hold…)
they'll poison their mothers
cause smokers are scum

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 10:58 AM

I can't see why "smokers are scum" is any less unacceptable than "gay people are scum". People do stuff that other people don't understand and wouldn't like to do. Doesn't make them "scum".

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 11:21 AM

Not quite the same, I think, McG — smokers voluntarily embrace the habit, and these days I note that the more amenable among them who are unable to give up [which most claim to wish to do, & to be about to do in the new year, &c] take pains to go out into the garden or otherwise not to force their habit on to the rest of us. G.g's song appears to be aimed at the exceptions to this.

Nonetheless I concur with you in finding it a provocative, disagreeable, and altogether somewhat disobliging song. "Scum" is indeed an unnecessarily strong and offensive term in the context.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 11:37 AM

Where's the distinction between voluntary and non-voluntary in these things? If we don't feel drawn to do something, perhaps it seems it must be voluntary, if we do perhaps it seems there's no choice...

We aren't here to sit in judgement on what people do in their personal lives.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Old Grizzly
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 11:51 AM

You need to light up a smoke and chill out man !

your pent up stress will kill you quicker

Dave

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: agingcynic
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 11:55 AM

we all have our manias

to my ear the lyrics reflect a bit of hysteria

for a different view, please consider a song called 'surgeon general' which starts out this way:

hello, surgeon general
i've got some news for you
i just drank me a PBR (Pabst Blue Ribbon for you high-end groggers)
and i enjoyed it too

think i'll smoke me a cigar
go lie out in the sun
hang around here 'bout five o'clock
go and have seme fun

and so on...

you can find it in all its glory (and a walking bass) on the music page at my website:

http://www.daveshiflett.com

cheers!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 12:45 PM

Tell you what - do the same song but substitue 'smokers' with 'drivers' and see what happens. The damage caused by the infernal combustion engine is far greater than that caused by smokers but, for some reason, the rabid anti-smokers seem to think that pumping out lethal levels of carbon monoxide and greenhouse gases is far preferable to tobacco smoke.

From a puffer on an occasion cigar and driver who is well aware of the damage both do. I'm quite happy to stop both as soon as soon as people stop quoting smug and very poorly written tripe.

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 01:49 PM

Anonymous posters are scum, a gentle reminder.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 03:32 PM

From a puffer on an occasion cigar and driver who is well aware of the damage both do.

If you had the least fucking clue what damage cars do you'd never consider owning one.

I entirely agree that cars are vastly more destructive but quoting something proportionately extensive here, like Heathcote Williams's "Autogeddon" or J.G. Ballard's "Crash", is a no-go because of copyright.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 03:54 PM

Comparisons are odious — & idiotic — my dears. The fact that cars kill lots of people is no kind of argument in favour of smoking, and only a booby would imagine it was.

But that OP song is still a mischievous. disagreeable piece of work for all that. Nobody has the right to call anybody 'scum' without a great deal more provocation than that [I might, just perhaps, make an exception for the worst kind of abuser of their meant-to=be-caring position for the purpose of child molestation, e.g.].

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 03:55 PM

Smokers Are Scum       12-25-09, by C.Denney (etc.)

And a merry Christmas to you too, Mr. Denney.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Paul Burke
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 06:36 PM

guest, guests are scum. Of the most hospitality- abusing sort. We are a community. Join, learn the rules, then engage with us. Or preferably don't and fuck off.

I'm not a smoker.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Weasel
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 07:35 PM

And let's all join in the chorus "fol de rol"

This is most amusing.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 12:29 AM

I'm a smoker. I'd likely be affected were the song of better quality. It has scansion problems and it doesn't tie together very well. 5/10--why not, it's X-mas time.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 06:58 AM

If you had the least fucking clue what damage cars do you'd never consider owning one.

I realy do, Jack, and given a reasonable alternative I would jump at the chance. Unfortunately the nature of my work entails lots of travel carrying, quite often, equipment with me. The alternative is to become unemployed. I currently drive a modern 1.6 diesel in the lowest emmisions bracket but as soon as a cleaner choice is available I will have one.

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST,Charlie
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 07:08 AM

Guest, you are a fool , get of my laand!!!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 07:17 AM

Don't like the song. It isn't clever, and it isn't funny. My partner is a smoker and, although I dearly wish she would give it up, it is her choice and she doesn't inflict it on others. She most certainly is not 'scum'.
And I agree with the reminders about anonymous posters.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: goatfell
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 07:39 AM

I don't smoke but people have the right to smoke or not to smoke sowhy are smokers scum?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 07:44 AM

To be fair to the OP, he only described as 'scum' those inconsiderate smokers who insist on indulging their habit where others are going to be affected by it, rather than going out into the garden or some such [a huge social change over the last few years, the way that smoking guests just automatically get out of the house after a meal before lighting up].

But I still do not care for the song whatever.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 08:04 AM

The OP, and the song, both state unequivocally that 'smokers are scum', and do not differentiate between the considerate ones and the inconsiderate.
It is in no way a 'gentle commentary', hoping as it does that 'smokers will die' - a charming thought for this festive season. It also calls smokers, 'stupid, ugly, dumb and 'screwed up'.
I imagine the OP, who may or may not be 'C Denney', was expecting a chorus of approval from Mudcatters for this offensive doggerel, in which case he/she will have been disappointed.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 10:08 AM

muslims are pigs
jews are slime
christians are scum
lefties are shit
conservatives are bastards


what's the difference?

your juvenile song spews hate based on your own self righteous rage. you're no better then "scum" you so hypocritically despise. grow up, better yet; get a job.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 10:58 AM

"And a merry Christmas to you too, Mr. Denney."

Most likely the composer "C. Denney" is California singer-songwriter Carol Denney. I disagree with "guest/guest" that the song in question is "gentle commentary"; it's seems more in your face if you're a smoker. I do admire many of her other songs.

But it's probably a hit with non-smokers who are tired of having tobacco smoke inflicted on them.

Smoke at home if you have to, or in your own car. But I agree that smokers by and large are not "scum"; they're ill-advised and will not enjoy a long healthy life.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 11:01 AM

Oh, the song is by Carol, having just checked her website: Click here for website

Learn more if you're interested.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: goatfell
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 11:25 AM

as I said if people want to smoke then let them and don't call them scum

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 04:22 PM

Having looked at the website, it looks to me as if this song has misfired in spectacular fashion if it is, indeed, intended as a kind of gentle satire.

...'emphasizing, of course, the generally productive nature of discussions with smokers about secondhand smoke exposure'.....

Eh?

Where exactly does this civilised and productive discussion feature in a song that comes across as a mean-spirited, angry, self-righteous and
just plain nasty tirade?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 04:33 PM

Dave-

Well, Californians are a special sub-culture in the States, with many mutually exclusive factions. Perhaps, a native of the State would better explain it.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 04:54 PM

Charley,

I always like to find the best in songs and people and, if someone could enlighten me concerning this song, I'd be delighted.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 12:46 PM

The song's first verse makes it clear that it's about smokers who insist on smoking in street fairs, who are undeniably scum.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: MMario
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 12:57 PM

I don't find the first verse clear at all that is is only about smokers at street fairs.

And then there are the comments that "smoking is voluntary" - yet the song says "They knnow it's addictive" and "they are addicts"

Addiction isn't normally considered voluntary......

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 01:11 PM

It's not something anyone is going to sing if they're trying to impress anyone. Maybe if they're having a tantrum, but then it's about them, not their audience. I suppose that's why she wrote it though.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Mooh
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 02:19 PM

Scum?

Just the ones who are responsible for making orphans of children, and causing breathing issues in children. Just the ones responsible for forest fires, fires caused by smoking in bed, and auto accidents caused by fussing with smokes. Just the ones who litter their butts in public and private places for children and animals to handle. Just the ones responsible for the unsightly and stench of open air ashtrays outside entrances to everything from schools, government offices, stores and even churches. Just the ones who would rather waste their money on the addiction than invest it in a solution, and redirect the money to more worthy things. Just the ones who drive up medical costs. Just the ones who victimize folks who can't avoid exposure. Just the ones whose denial, defiance, and stubbornness prolong the forgoing issues.

I was a smoking victim in childhood, and in my early working life. Anti-tobacco laws can't be strong enough in my opinion.

Scum? Got a better word? They know who they are.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: olddude
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 02:46 PM

WHY BOTHER TROLLING


however, ya got a ways to go to catch up with the old country
"smoke smoke smoke that cigarette song"

who did that by the way ... remember it as a kid thought it was a cool tune

Subject: Lyr Add: SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE
From: Mooh
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 04:56 PM

olddude...Copy and pasted from http://www.martystuart.com/ZLyrics-STC.htm

Smoke, Smoke, Smoke That Cigarette
        Written by Merle Travis and Tex Williams

Now I'm a feller with a heart of gold
And the ways of a gentleman I've been told
The kind of guy that wouldn't even harm a flea

But if me and a certain character met
The guy that invented the cigarette
I'd murder that son-of-a-gun in the first degree

It ain't cuz I don't smoke myself
And I don't reckon that it'll harm your health
Smoked all my life and I ain't dead yet

But nicotine slaves are all the same
At a pettin' party or a poker game
Everything gotta stop while they have a cigarette

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
Puff, puff, puff and if you smoke yourself to death
Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
That you hate to make him wait
But you just gotta have another cigarette

Now in a game of chance the other night
Old Dame Fortune was a-doin' me right
The kings and the queens just kept on comin' round

And I got a full and I bet 'em high
But my bluff didn't work on a certain guy
He just kept on raisin' and layin' that money down

Now he'd raise me and I'd raise him
I sweated blood, gotta sink or swim
He finally called and didn't even raise the bet

So I said "aces full Pops how 'bout you?"
He said "I'll tell you in a minute or two
But right now, I gotta have me a cigarette"

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
Puff, puff, puff and if you smoke yourself to death
Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
That you hates to make him wait
But you just gotta have another cigarette

(Ah, smoke it! Hah! Yes! Yes! Yes!)

The other night I had a date
With the cutest little girl in the United States
A high-bred, uptown, fancy little dame

She loved me and it seemed to me
That things were 'bout like they oughta be
So hand in hand we strolled down lover's lane

She was oh so far from a cake of ice
And our smoochin' party was goin' nice
So help me cats I believe I'd be there yet

But I give her a kiss and a little squeeze
And she said, "ah, Marty, excuse me please
I just gotta have me another, cigarette"

And she said, smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
Puff, puff, puff and if you smoke yourself to death
Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
That you hate to make him wait
But you just gotta have another cigarette

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: olddude
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 05:16 PM

awesome thanks mooh

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Mooh
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 05:52 PM

olddude...You're welcome. Find the music at www.musicnotes.com

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: skipy
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 07:06 PM

Guest guest, come & find me at a festival & sing it to me please! In the smoking area outside a pub! I'll even send you a list of the ones I go to!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Bugsy
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 08:11 PM

I'm not a smoker (anymore) but Mrs Bugsy is, and if you sang that song in her company, she'd give you a clip around the ear. And if she didn't,m I would.

CHeers


Bugsy

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST,Mugg Muggles
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 09:20 PM

First time I've ever been here, but if the majority of you folks are as "humour-impaired" and f**kin' P.C. as it seems to me, I doubt I shall return.
That said, I'd like to state that I found this little ditty by Ms. Denney hilarious.
I grew up with a mother who smoked like a chimney, and I have a deep and abiding hatred for cigarette smokers.
I do not mind pipes and cigars as they are not chock full of adulterants.
I have been a devotee of Mary Warner for nearly half a century.
Santa the Viper

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 10:09 PM

"First time I've ever been here, but if the majority of you folks are as "humour-impaired" and f**kin' P.C. as it seems to me, I doubt I shall return."

Thanks for visiting. Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 07:02 AM

Guest: Mugg Muggles:
"I grew up with a mother who smoked like a chimney, and I have a deep and abiding hatred for cigarette smokers."
So, Guest, Unless I have misunderstood you, you hate your mother.
You have my sympathy for that!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 07:35 AM

I am a 'Never Smoked' and would take exception to ANY one being referred to as 'Scum' in a So Called Humourous song ! And it has nothing to do with being either PC or lacking a sense of humour !
The song would be amusing if any of a number of other epithets had been used !

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 08:08 AM

Leadfingers is correct. The word 'scum' is not inherently funny and it jars when used in a song which is supposed to be humorous. However, I don't agree that this song would be amusing if another word were to be used. It just plain doesn't work, in my opinion.
And, Mugg Muggles please note, it is the very fact that I do have a sense of humour which makes me think that this song isn't funny.
Another point occurs to me: What does C Denney do if the 'old folks' and the 'bums' she is so willing to entertain are also smokers? Does she ask them if they smoke, and then either performs or doesn't perform for them accordingly? Does she make them fill in a form to establish that they aren't 'scum' and thus worthy of being performed to?
And before anyone tries to point out again that only smokers at street fairs are being targeted, this is not the case.
The song clearly states that 'smokers are scum'.
Changing this to 'Smokers who smoke at street fairs are scum' would make the scansion even more askew than it is now.
I'm at a bit of a loose end now, or I wouldn't be wasting my time criticising a song like this. I just don't like the song on so many levels. but I'm still willing to be enlightened if anyone wants to tell me why it's 'amusing'.
And I think that 'Smoke Smoke Smoke That Cigarette' is a classic, and worth a hundred songs like 'Smokers Are Scum'.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: goatfell
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 08:09 AM

and people that calll themselves Guest without a name attached to it, these people I call cowards

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 08:33 AM

Dave-

"Scum" may not have the same stinging power over here in the States as it may have in the UK.

However, I still remember the sting when our political opponents in a U.S. Senate campaign referred to our staff as "pond scum." Then we created a set of badge labels in green which we proudly wore all week which read "Pond Scum Rises to the Surface."

I do note that Guest/Guest seldom bothers to comment on one of the provocative threads she starts. She has such great fun stirring things up. However, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if guest Mugg Muggles would merely be another of her "personalities."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 09:29 AM

Charley,

I think you have a point.
In the UK 'scum' is an epithet usually reserved for someone who commits an act of unspeakable depravity - child murder, violence against the elderly etc.
It has, as far as I know, no 'gentle' connotations here.
Cheers, Charlie, that is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.
I note that the song in question also appears in another Mudcat thread about anti-smoking songs. I didn't get the impression it was posted here with any mischievous intent.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST,Carol Denney, the author
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 02:00 PM

A friend at a performance last night let me know that people in this forum were not getting the joke and missing the point entirely, so I'll weigh in, despite becoming personally targeted. The song is not about smokers, it is about exposure, specifically in a street fair where my station is fixed (I cannot move) and the whole fair is supposed to be smokefree.

Despite the laws to protect participants, vendors, and customers, I was surrounded by enough smoke that I'm still coughing. I had smokers whom I asked to move away deliberately hold their cigarettes as close to my fiddle as possible, and came home and wrote the song not really knowing what else to do. I told the smokers that I was a cancer survivor with a lung condition, and was told "I don't care" to my face. I've used the song in two performances since then to stomping, screaming approval from audiences who've obviously met the same kind of smokers and have no patience left with them, either. They certainly thought it was funny. I gave one guy who literally fell off his chair an autographed copy. I posted it because I once saw a request for smokefree lyrics which I couldn't find at the time, but I have found since.

I think the music, if you could hear it, explains a lot. It is very fast, very rhythmic, and gives the whole thing a stomping silliness that perhaps doesn't come across on paper.

Smoking around others at a Christmas fair populated by children, people with pulmonary diseases, etc., is unspeakable depravity. Children, because of their rapid cell division, are seriously impacted and so likely to develop asthma, cancer, SIDS, etc., that policies to protect them are sweeping the globe, although not fast enough. Secondhand smoke is 6-12 times more deadly than that which is directly inhaled by a smoker(UCSF 2009 study). The incidence of heart attacks drops 17% in an region after only one year of smoking restrictions, and by 37% in the next three years in replicated studies. California lags way behind the stronger laws in other states, for those of you misinformed about California policies. Smokefree laws are being enacted in Ireland (the old country), England, Turkey, France--the science is clear, the policy follows, but before the cultural shift come moments like my street fair moment, where this two-time cancer survivor was out of options unless I buy a paintball gun or something.

Smokers do not have rights, another tobacco industry canard trotted out in this discussion. Smokers are not a protected class, and it is perfectly legal to discriminate against them in housing, in employment, in restaurants, in any setting you please in the United States - go look it up. State and local laws and policies may (and do) vary, but since smokers are not, technically and legally speaking, a protected class, localities can pass all manner of restrictions as counties, parishes, states, or cities, because people have the obvious right to a safe workplace, school, etc. Smokers cost a company money, their health costs burden the entire community, and don't count on them to run for help in an emergency because their vascular damage is often so great they can't run at all. But that's not what makes them scum, that just makes them pathetic pawns in the tobacco industry's lucrative game.

When smokers smoke around others there is no question they know they're endangering others' health. That's what makes them scum. I literally saw people poisoning not just me, but their mothers, their children, other people's children, and my efforts to request some compliance with the laws protecting public health were derided, I was personally attacked, all the usual things people do when they want to avoid acknowledging that they're doing something they know is wrong.

I think refusing to play for smokers is a great idea. It goes without saying that in the setting the song describes, those who insist on smoking because they want to hear the music, despite the fact that they're killing the musicians, are scum.

Cheerily,

Carol Denney [phone]

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: olddude
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 02:17 PM

Don't know where you folks live but ya sure ain't allowed to smoke around public anywhere here in the state of NY ... Heck ya can't even smoke outside a public facility in most cities ... So I have no idea how anyone is breathing someone else's smoke at a concert ... cause I know of no place your allowed to do that here and it is a good law I think ...

Interesting thing, I am struggling with quitting right at the moment. I was in the City and went over to a park away from everyone like I always do .. A lady probably walked 250 yards to get in my face and I told her you are the one violating my space. I am hundreds of yards away and you have to get in my face, and by the way I am allowed to here not in that building over there ... and do you see anyone around me, NO just you who came out of your way to pick a fight with someone you don't know... get lost ... Scum works on both sides

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 02:27 PM

Carol-

Thanks for responding directly to the questions and statements here.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: Paul Burke
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 03:17 PM

Perhaps if you'd said some smokers are scum, it would have been more accurate and more acceptable, but perhaps less snappy.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Smokers Are Scum, a gentle song
From: GUEST,Carol Denney, the author
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 08:03 PM

I thought that it was clear that I'm describing smokers who won't walk away from a crowded street fair:

"what's the big problem with walking away.."
"they won't smoke elsewhere because it's too tough..."

but I'm happy to assist those who are confused. What the song advocates is technically assault, by the way, for the even more confused. Here's to olddude for trying to quit. You deserve a medal. I tried to post this and it didn't show up, so I'm trying again. And Mugg Muggles is not only a real person, he's one of the finest purveyors of song you'll ever hope to hear.