Name for new early music duo

Subject: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:05 PM

A musical friend and I have just started rehearsing with a view to playing folk clubs, festivals, workshops in schools, etc. We are playing medieval, renaissance, and baroque tunes and songs on authentic (and some modern) instruments, plucked, bowed and blown, as well as singing in two parts in Middle and modernised English. We are particularly interested in dance music and in the considerable overlap in style and content between music that is labelled 'early' and that which is labelled 'traditional'. Period instruments will include shawms, lutes, rebec, gittern, recorders, gem's horn, etc. We may well experiment with modern instruments playing early music: mandola, banjo, steel strung guitar in odd tunings. We are both folkies, neither classically trained (this music tends to be played by those who are), play this music because we love it, and our primary intention will be to play in the spirit of the music with both energy and finesse while being thoroughly entertaining.

But what to call ourselves? Ideally it will be a name that makes what we do obvious (even if only to those with a little knowledge of early music), that is memorable, and that doesn't have unhelpful connotations. For example, I like the name Nutmeg and Ginger: it's a renaissance tune, is mentioned in the Ravenscroft song, Of All The Birds, and is a staple of renaissance cooking. However, I'm told that nutmeg is also a footballing term and ginger has other connotations. Orpheus was a key symbolic figure in renaissance music, so a name that conjures him up? But then I can imagine school pupils easily turning Orpheus into orofice.

So ... any suggestions are most welcome: perhaps assocations with tunes or people of the period(s) in question, though not necessarily.

Mudcat has come up trumps so often for me in the past. I have my fingers crossed ...

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:19 PM

How about'Musicafficta'?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:22 PM

Oops - only the one 'f' it's musica ficta isn't it ?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:39 PM

GUEST,guest, could you explain that name, please?

(Moderators do ask us to use a consistent name, and not just 'guest'.)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Bainbo
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 04:59 PM

Something Medieval This Way Comes

Baroque of Ages

The Greatest Shawm on Earth.




I'm not being a great deal of help, am I?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:02 PM

Bainbo, those are great, funny names and made me laugh. But, ahem, not quite what we're looking for.

Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:06 PM

Early Daze
B4 Rock
Psaltery of the Earth
Beaten & Bowed

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:08 PM

Mediaevally Yours

Heavy Medievalists

Medieval Reincarnate

Plethora (I love that word!) of (you name it: medievalists, etc.)

RenASongs & more

Pluck & Crow

Okay, I'll stop!**bg**

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Alan Day
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:10 PM

Early to bed
Al

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:15 PM

Oooo, thanks so far. I particularly like RenASongs and Baroque of Ages, though they are specific to a particular period, which I feel we shouldn't do, as we're covering medieval, renaissance and baroque. But thank you, thank you. Keep them coming. Please!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:20 PM

BarRen Meds

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:35 PM

Names of tunes from the period could be a possibility. How about Mrs Winter's Jump? Any other (better) suggestions?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:40 PM

The Byrd and the Boethius? Mmm, maybe that's too obscure. And probably not very good. You can see why I need help.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:41 PM

I thought "The Bygones" - but Google shows there's already a band with that name playing a very different kind of music out in Pennsylvania.

Your problem is your music straddles a bunch of very different historical periods. I though Methuselah, since he lived a long time, but once again there's already a band with the name.

"Chaucer and After"?

"The Three Century Band"?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MartinRyan
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:53 PM

Before Our Time

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:53 PM

You're right, McGrath, that picking a name not already taken is tricky. Plenty of folks are using the Orpheus name, for example, that I thought may be useful. Chaucer and After - there's a group called The Flying Chaucers, and do we have some material from even a little before Chaucer.

Perhaps a play on the name of an existing band, as Hayseed Dixie and Deaf Shepard have done?

Thanks all so far, it really is much appreciated. Any more suggestions, no matter how off the wall, may well lead us in the right direction.

Thanks again :-)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:10 PM

Something with "Musick" in it maybe?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:30 PM

I thought something with Musick in, too.

How about Heart's Ease as a name? Here's why:

The tune is made reference to in Act 4, Scene 5 of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, (1597).

"Peter: Musicians, O, musicians, Heart's ease, Heart's ease; O, an you will have me live, play Hearts ease.
Fiddler: Why Hearts ease?
Peter: O, musicians, because my hart itself plays My heart is full of woe; O, play me some merry dump, to comfort me."

It the name of a tune by renaissance composer/lutenist/cittern player Anthony Holborne and also the name of a tune in Playford, baroque period (though the two tunes are unrelated - at least, my ears can't hear a connection), so the name spans two of the three periods we cover.

Wikipedia tells me, "As its name implies, Heartsease has a long history of use in herbalism. It has been recommended, among other uses, as a treatment for epilepsy, asthma, skin diseases and eczema. It has expectorant properties, and so has been used in the treatment of chest complaints such as bronchitis and whooping cough. It is also a diuretic, leading to its use in treating rheumatism and cystitis." So that would cover work in schools that would include general social history around the music - food, medicine, crime, etc.

But is it a good name for a duo?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Micca
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 07:20 PM

Airly Musick?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 07:46 PM

Now what kinda ax-cent is that, Micca? Aussie or ???**bg** I like that, though!

B'Roque RenASongs? (Naw, guess you don't want to sound like broke beggars:-)

Span of Tyme?

Tuppence of Tyme?

Oh, I've got it!! How about TYME SHARES???!!!

This is so much fun! One more:

Behind the Times?

From time to time? (That would be lend itself well to some patter, i.e. one of the duo looking at the other and introducing him as "Time" with that one then intro-ing the other the same way, then "We are from time to time etc..")

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Girl Fridayomething cryptico
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:44 PM

Something cryptic perhaps? Like Aaron A Bowed String?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:47 PM

maybe something hinting at the more morbid aspects of the social history
of the early music centuries..



Dark Age Minstrel Dance Musick


Dance and Songs of Brutality & Torture from the Dreadful Dark Ages


Plague Pestilence & Plucking Psalteries



The Black Death Minstrel Show






that kinda thing should hook the kids attention in primary school music workshops

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:58 PM

I like Heart's Ease. Why shouldn't a duo be called that?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: agingcynic
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 09:06 PM

Howlin' Beowuff

(port guzzling partly to blame for this)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 10:00 PM

Golden Olden

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:28 AM

Dowland2Dylan

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Little Robyn
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 01:55 AM

I like John's 'Psaltery of the Earth'.
Robyn

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Chris Green
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:11 AM

How about Toots and the Curtals? Or King Crumhorn?

On another note, be careful when marketing yourself to schools as 'early music'. They tend to read it as 'music for early years' and you can often find yourself singing madrigals and playing saltarellos to highly bemused 4-year olds!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Chris Green
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:13 AM

Btw, where are you based? I do early music stuff as well as mediaeval banquets and the like with my partner and we occasionally need to dep stuff out. Any chance you could pm me with some contact details?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 04:22 AM

Another name for Heartsease is Pansy. Perhaps best avoided when it has 'other' connotations in the UK.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mo the caller
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:04 AM

Yes, but people who know what the plant Heartsease looks like are not going to tranpose the connotations, surely. I don't go round calling people names, but if I did I wouldn't say 'you heartsease'.

Anyone (maybe not many of us) who enjoy Playford dance, will know the dance and tune.

It doesn't tell people who are not 'in the know', so you'd have to add a sentence under your name, maybe.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:54 AM

The Early Byrds

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:49 AM

eariesque?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 07:22 AM

The Crying Shawms

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Nicholas Waller
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 07:26 AM

You could attack the problem a bit like one of those old MAD spoof "Do-It_Yourself Newspaper Story" multiple choice things.

List a bunch of instruments you might be using:

Gittern, Lute, Gem's Horn, Crumhorn, Rebec and more

List a number of ways of saying "duo":

Brace, Couple, Duo, Two, Binary, Double, twins etc

List some old musicians by name or type:

Troubadour, Blondel, Tallis, Perotinus Magister, etc

List a bunch of relevant other words:

Dance, Prance, Singers and so on

List some tune or song titles:

Nutmeg and Ginger, Mrs Winter's Jump, Heart's Ease, for instance

And then mix and match like mad to get Rebec Prancing Duo, or Nutmeg Tallis, or Mrs Winter's Blondel Gittern Twins, or Binary Crumhorn.

If that's not enough, add in various mediaeval games, torture practices, famous paintings and plants. You could put each word on a different piece of paper and throw them all in the air and see what landed on the butter dish right side up. Or throw darts at them.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:24 AM

Thank you, thank you all.

GUEST,erbert, I really like The Black Death Minstrel Show. Why is that *so* funny? That would combine a sense of history, music and comedy. Seems ideal to me.

And bubblyrat, I like The Early Byrds, too.

Anyone else agree with Suegorgeous that Heart's Ease is a good name? That way a set with Holborne's 'Hartes ease' followed by the Playford 'Heart's Ease' could become our theme tune, so to speak.

How about something that is purely descriptive that might sound different at a festival or folk club than it would to a teacher or pupil in a school (where we also plan to work). How does The Early Musick Song, Dance and History Company sound? (We are planning to teach children to dance simple pavans, galliards and branles; as well as getting them to sing with us, play some simple instruments, and give them a bit of social history.)

Chris Green, I have PMed you, as requested.

I am very grateful to you all.

Any more suggestions? :-)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Les from Hull
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:30 AM

The Airlie Birds is the name of Hull Rugby Football League Team here in the UK (they used to play in Airlie Street).

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:44 AM

"Early Modern"

~~~ {to explain this suggestion: in Lit Crit, 'Early Modern' is used to mean: 'written in the period post-Chaucer, beginning approx with Skelton & Spenser, when Modern English was replacing Middle English for literary purposes, up to writers of the early-17th century, up to about the Civil Wars'. ~~~ I review regularly for a journal online called Early Modern Literary Studies (google EMLS), in which 90% of the articles & reviews are on Shakespeare. It seems to me that the phrase, with such overtones, would describe both the content and the aspirations of the duo as you describe them.}

Best ~ Michael

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:51 AM

Ah, Michael, thank you. My first idea was to call us Ancient & Modern, for parallel reasons to yours, connected with our aspirations (though I wasn't aware of the meaning of 'early modern' as you explain it.) 'Early Modern' doesn't have the same churchy association as 'Ancient & Modern' (which could sound like we're going to take our material from a hymn book, which isn't quite the idea).

Cheers
Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:29 AM

Go for the clever. It is more memorable. Without any claims to that - I offer:

Baroque-a-roll
Made Evil
Gregorian Chance
Pa Vain
Viol Inst
Dull Simmer (only joking)
Batter & Psaltery
Find Tuned
Green Leaves
Dowland's
Loves Labour's Lust
Azure Like It (including blues?)
Much Adieu

I could go on................

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 09:47 AM

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower - PM
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:24 AM

"Anyone else agree with Suegorgeous that Heart's Ease is a good name? That way a set with Holborne's 'Hartes ease' followed by the Playford 'Heart's Ease' could become our theme tune, so to speak."

Yes. "Heart's Ease" has my vote (if we're voting).

"(We are planning to teach children to dance simple pavans, galliards and branles; as well as getting them to sing with us, play some simple instruments [...]"

Ah, like a child upon a recorder? A sound, but not in governance?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,surreysingeratwork
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:13 AM

Since no-one has answered the question "How does The Early Musick Song, Dance and History Company sound? " I'll stick my oar in and reply... IMHO its a bit too long winded and somewhat dull and dry, even if it is self descriptive. Haven't come up with anything suitable myself .... but I'll have a think.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:13 AM

Go for a name which is easy to look up on the Internet or in the phone book. Avoid puns, archaic spellings, words nobody uses anymore and other gimmicks.

Picture a school principal who had you two years ago and wants you back, How will she find you?

I suggest something like:

_____________ (insert name of your town, river or region) Early Music

============
I used to work in a public library. Time and again kids would tell me they wanted to read "The Mixed Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler," but they couldn't find it in the catalog. Didn't we have this famous book?

Yes, we did, but the author had decided to be artful and name it 'FROM the Mixed-Up Files..." The thing is, a cute feature like that gets forgotten in the hurly-burly of our busy lives. We go for the nouns.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:17 AM

Heart's Ease wouldn't mean anything to one who doesn't know the song, etc.

I really like the Early Byrds, too!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:44 AM

How about "Heart's Ease Early Music Duo"?

I like the name "Heart's Ease" even though I don't know the song, although I do sometimes play Renaissance lute music on the guitar. I might even have it in a book, but it didn't ring a bell. I've heard the name applied to a plant but I had no idea it was a pansy. I like pansies, connotations or no. (In German, they're called "Stiefmuetterchen" == "little step-mothers".)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,leeneia - PM
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:13 AM

Go for a name which is easy to look up on the Internet or in the phone

"Avoid puns, archaic spellings, words nobody uses anymore and other gimmicks."

You make a good point, but on the other hand, I like all of these things, except gimmicks. One man's gimmick is another man's, err, something.

"I used to work in a public library. Time and again kids would tell me they wanted to read "The Mixed Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler," but they couldn't find it in the catalog. Didn't we have this famous book?

Yes, we did, but the author had decided to be artful and name it 'FROM the Mixed-Up Files..." The thing is, a cute feature like that gets forgotten in the hurly-burly of our busy lives. We go for the nouns."

Do you really think this would be a reason to give the book a different title? "Cute" and "artful" have their place, too. This book title may well have been the first time I ran across the expression "from the files of ...".

Punning names, etc., can wear a bit thin, like anything else, but I think it's good to approach early music and Baroque music with a bit of humor and creativity. I listen to this kind of music a lot, and I don't like the direction things seem to be going, i.e., toward the way the "serious" music business works for the "standard" Classical and Romantic repertoire.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:46 AM

But the Early Byrds (although I like it) wouldn't mean much to anyone under 40. They would just think you couldn't spell 'birds'.

I think one of your dance names might work & be memorably simple:

Galliard.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Nicholas Waller
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 10:55 AM

"Heart's Ease" sounds too much like Heart Disease.

The Black Death Minstrel Show might be thought tasteless by the many people who found the racist nature/overtones of The Black And White Minstrel Show objectionable. Replacing Minstrel with something else - Pavane, Troubadour, Galliard, Crumhorn - might distance it a bit more.

The Black Death Pavane Duo.

Actually, maybe better to avoid "duo" in case you get a third member.

Black Death Danse Macabre might be going too for any tiny tots you intend to deal with.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 11:10 AM

Thanks again, all. Lots of good points to consider here from lots of people.

Nicholas, I do like the name The Black Death Minstrel Show but did wonder about the associations you mention. Minstrel and troubadour both have meanings which are historically more specific than the way they are (often mis)used nowadays (compared to their historical meanings), so if we're going into schools and covering some of the history curriculum we need to get that right, though having it in our name may be a starting point for doing just that.

There already is (or was) a group called Galliard. There used to be one called Golliard (I think). There's also a group called Piva (another dance form). We could choose Saltarello, Trotto, Pavan, or another dance form as a name, but I'm not sure that would mean much to people coming to the music for the first time (a point made similarly above).

The Early Byrds. I like it because of associations with early music, William Byrd and possibly the 1960s band, The Byrds.   

Mmmmm, you might think picking a name might be easy!

If this thread continues - and I hope it will and many thanks to all so far - I may pick out some of (what I consider to be) the best suggestions and ask for marks out of 10. That process may also lead to more suggestions sparked by ones we have already.

Please keep 'em comin'!

Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:01 PM

I suspect that with Heart's Ease you'd get people calling you Heartburn. Mind there are worse names than that last - it sticks in the memory, which is what you want with a name. But once again, there's already a HeartBurn Band in Finland... Though I rather doubt you'd be competing with each other!!!

And once again there's a band calling itself Heart's Ease, this time in New England.

Vintage is another word you could play around with. Maybe even "Vintage Musick", but that sounds a bit solemn.

Early Byrds suggested Tallis Men, with a nod to Thomas Tallis. (No good if either of you is a woman though.)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 05:43 PM

Show of Hands?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 08:59 PM

(Something???) Rides, Again! (ala Lone Ranger Rides Again)Okay, it's lame.:-)Some more really lame (hey! when you brainstorm, everything gets thrown in the mix!)**bg**:

Vintage Time Shares

Ye Olde Music with Two

Bombast Galore!

MedRenBar, Oh My! *groan*

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:19 AM

I like Hearts Ease - plus you have a ready made motif to decorate your costume and instrument bags with.

The Early Byrds is good too, but my immediate thought was - where's the worm? Do you play the serpent at all?

Baroque of Ages?

Colyn Cleaver and the Crumhorns? (as in Young Colyn, cleaving of a beam...)

You could go the Actor's way and have 'Mr Stower's Troupe

If you have anyone who sells double glazing you could be Mr Stower's Troop o' doors.....

(sorry.. I'll get me cloak)

LTS

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 05:43 AM

I'm having a really good laugh with all these names! Thank you again.

katlaughing, I do like the XXX Rides Again idea, also something around Vintage. Vintage Voices or Vox Vintage? But we'll be doing approx. half songs and half dance tunes. Part of the idea is to play with gusto and original arrangements, getting away from the idea of classically trained players playing clinically (not that they all do, by any means, but early music can have that image - but listen to The Dufay Collective - wow ...). Is there a 'v' word that conveys newness and freshness to put alongside Vintage?

Liz, there's only two of us, so it might be a bit disappointing to an audience if we call ourselves XXX Troupe! Mind you, I used to see a fantastic blues guitarist, drummer, harmonica player and singer - he played them all simultaneously! - called The Little Big Band. I wonder what happened to him? I digress ...

Some of these suggestions are so good and funny that I'm wondering if, when we start out, we could use some of these search-for-a-name suggestions in our act.   

I'm so very grateful. Any more for more?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 07:14 AM

The Stower Ways

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 10:58 AM

Va-Va Vintage!:-)

Stower & ?? Ride, Again?

Vintage Vox & Pluck?

Pluck & Crow?

Melodious Masters?

(Something) out of time?

Anachronous Melodious?

Vintage Harmonious?

(I love the online Thesaurus!:-)

Vox-A-Tune?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Hamish
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 11:11 AM

Something with "Knights" in?

The Early Knights
The Late Knights (a bit macabre, maybe)
The Green Knights
The Shining Knights
The Dirty Knights
etc

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 12:47 PM

From my sleepless night:

Flageolet (as in Camelot:-) I know it's not always pronounced that way.)

Old Music - Present Tense

What Once Was - Music of Old

Duo-ling (something ala "Dueling Banjos")

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:15 PM

Hey now, Kat ~ not asking for a bit of flageolet-shun are you?

Chocciebar

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 03:08 PM

Oh, never!*bg*

kitkat

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:57 AM

Da Capo

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Crane Driver
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 07:12 AM

You're playing with gusto?

How about 'Mr Gusto's Maggot'?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 07:27 AM

No ,please !! Lady Winwoods Maggot was bad enough !!(with apologies to the multi-talented Dave Lambert of the eponymous group !).

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Nicholas Waller
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 09:12 AM

@Hamish Something with "Knights" in?

Knights in White Satin?
Somer Knights?

Actually, "The New Early Music Duo" as per your thread title would work too, in a does-what-it-says-on-the-tin way.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 01:49 PM

Not to stop any more suggestions, and not to discount any that have been made so far, but here are my favorites so far.

What do you think of these?
What would you give them out of 10?
Do these names spark any new ideas?

Mrs Winter's Jump
Heart's Ease
Hartes ease (Anthony Holborne's spelling)
Howlin' Beowulf
The Early Byrds
XXX Rides Again (XXX = ?)
Da Capo
Mr Gusto's Maggot

How about ...
The 500
... since we're playing music from the 13th to 17th centuries?

Thanks again.

Stower :-)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:21 PM

The Minstrels of Yore

Tfhe Buskers of Yore

The Now Minstrels of When

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:02 PM

Heart's ease or Heartsease - still my favourite by far.

Hartes' ease is also good, but you'll get fed up having to spell it out to people all the time.

Howlin Beowulf sounds like a blues band.

Early Byrds sounds like you're talking about the original The Byrds band.

The Maggot one is just plain horrible! :)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:15 PM

Having thought about it for a bit, I like Da Capo more and more, as it has all the right connotations: it's a musical term, and we're going back to the beginning of known western music. And it's short and easy to remember. Thanks, GUEST,henryp, for suggesting it.

What does anyone else think?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Tradsinger
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 06:18 PM

Our medieval band is called "Waytes and Measures", but you can't have that.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 10:51 PM

Seeing as "Mediaeval Baebes" already works very successfully for one well established band;

"Mediaeval Beefcaek" !!???

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 11:22 PM

Da Capo is short and all, but it might mean nothing to most folks if they don't know music that well. Over here it sounds like someone with a New York/New Joisey(Jersey)accent (no offence NY&NJers!) Actually, it reminds me of the mafia in that over here the "godfather" might be addressed as "Da Capo" as in "The Head." Just my take on it.:-)

As to the others, not being familiar with the songs, they are not really indicative to me of what your duo would be unless I had more material to read or listen to.

Not meaning to sound biased, but maybe combine Da Capo with Rides Again or one of the others with it?

If you want to use "500" why not get fancy and use "The Quingenti Duo?" Or, "Rise of the Quingenti?" Or "Quingenti Rides Again," though I don't think that is as descriptive as the QD...ah! Great acronym for it!

I think "The Quingenti Duo" sounds like something from one or all of those eras, plus it sounds classy without being snobby, esp. if you use "QD" as a familiar reference.

Thanks, again, for the fun of this!

kat

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:43 AM

Hopefully you won't wear tights and call yourself something like Nutmeg and Ginger. Wouldn't go over in Sheffield.

How about something memorable (by the way I liked The Black Death Minstrels..loads of fun at a retirement home!)

is Chanticleer taken? That has a nice ring to it.

The Canterbury Wails

Plantagenet

The Helm Cleavers

Hardcore Troubadores

Hamlet's Merkin

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:48 AM

Da Capo was a record album by the late 60s band Love, by the way.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:54 AM

Something Shakespearean: how about

Concord of Sweet Sounds ~ The Merchant of Venice V.i.84

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 02:17 AM

Chanticleer is taken as far as over here goes...but they do have an international rep.

Wish we could think of something as kewl as "Moxy Früvous!"

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 04:21 AM

Ooo, Tradsinger, Waytes and Measures, I do like that.

I'm beginning to realise that, as with Nutmeg and Ginger and with Da Capo, it may well be the case that no matter how suitable a name is in one context, it may be unsuitable in another. And naming ourselves after a tune is fine for those who know the tune and its associations, but we may have to assume that most people won't. But in that case, won't we just end up with a name that's nondescript and bland? Hhhhmmmppphhh.

If only we'd thought of Waytes and Measures first. That's just too clever and too good :-)

Mind you, the meaning of Waytes and Measures is only clear if one knows about music history and musical language. The same could be said of other existing bands: Piva, Golliard, The Dufay Collective, etc. Maybe we're thinking *too* much and should just come up with a name that has early music associations and is memorable? Lots of words and phrases have different meanings in different contexts. If people see our name next to a picture of us - as many would in a programme or on a poster - the intended word association would be implied even if unknown to the viewer.

Keep it going, please! This has turned out to be great fun! We *will* arrive at a name!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 04:46 AM

OK, coming back for another go. Here's a list of tunes we may (or may not, at this stage) put in our repertoire, that may also be used as a name for the duo. Heart's Ease has already been mentioned (some like it, others don't), there is also:

Robinson's May
Traditora
Tarleton's Resurrection
The Night Watch
Bara Faustus' Dream
Lady Clifton's Spirit
Praeludium
Wilson's Wild

What do you think?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 05:02 AM

The Night Watch is the best of those.

A lot of the suggestions made so far are in-jokes for those who already know something about this kind of music, whereas you'll be playing mostly to audiences who don't, so it would be better to avoid sounding twee and/or smug.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 06:44 AM

The Rude Mechanickals

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 06:52 AM

You know, you can always change the name if you decide you don't like it, or if you find one that's better. I don't think using "duo" in the name is a problem; if someone else joins, you could just change it to "trio". I think two people isn't a "band" or a "consort".

I don't know what the rules are on band names. If you're far away from New England, does it matter if a band there is called "Heart's Ease"? I suppose in the era of MySpace and YouTube, there might be a problem, though.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Dave Hunt
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 07:39 AM

I was about to suggest Waits and Measures - having both song and dance connotation - but see above that there is already a Waytes and Measures - Shame!

If there we three of you you could be Trio con Brio!"
Dave Hunt

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:04 AM

Acker Peller

The Crumb Hounds

   









Duo Much ?

Los Primitivos

   Artie Shawm

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:07 AM

Rebeckers Loot

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:57 AM

Millenium Consort

Going For Baroque

The Jongleurs

Share A Cup of Mead

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:01 AM

I like Traditora best of those on your list.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:36 AM

I was going to suggest Isengrim, but there's a Finnish black metal band with that name at MySpace. Since you're a duo, you could call yourself "Reynard and Isengrim" (if you really wanted to), or use one of the other spellings.

This is difficult. Have you considered playing some other kind of music?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:10 AM

"The Twobadours"..   {The 2badours]

well, you're an early music duo.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:36 AM

"The 2roubadours"

looks well odd to our old eyes, but I've been assured by a phone texting obsessed teeenager
that it would be easily understood by most potential school kids audiences.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:58 AM

Sort of, but wouldn't they pronounce it "two-rou-badors" which sounds a bit like something a circus ringmaster might shout.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:21 PM

"The True-Bar-Doers" ~~ Hmmm, well, maybe not. But then again··········

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:38 PM

Piers Plowman: "This is difficult. Have you considered playing some other kind of music?" Tehehe!

To summarise and help me, could I ask anyone who fancies it to mark these potential names out of 10, where 10 = I like this so much you should use it and 0 = don't use this ever.

Mrs Winter's Jump
Heart's Ease
XXX Rides Again (XXX = ?)
Da Capo
Mr Gusto's Maggot
Robinson's May
Traditora
Tarleton's Resurrection
The Night Watch
Bara Faustus' Dream
Lady Clifton's Spirit
Wilson's Wild

Cheers all,

Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:47 PM

OK, my scores would be:


Mrs Winter's Jump   - 7 (it's memorable)

Heart's Ease - 5 (OK but veering towards the fey)

XXX Rides Again (XXX = ?) - 1 (audiences will expect cowboys)

Da Capo   - 2 (the audience will expect you to be Italian)

Mr Gusto's Maggot - 8 (it's memorable & more so than no.1)

Robinson's May - 3 (vague & wispy)

Traditora - 2 (sounds like an obscure foliage plant)

Tarleton's Resurrection   - 6 (memorable but quasi-religious)

The Night Watch - 9 (snappy & no trace of the twee)

Bara Faustus' Dream - 3 (arch leaning towards whimsical)

Lady Clifton's Spirit - 5 (OK but there are better)

Wilson's Wild   - 5 (alliteration always good but lots of bad joke risks)


And that concludes the votes of the Luxembourg jury.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 01:35 PM

Mynsters Mynstrels


Reminds me when I went to York, came out of York Minster, went into the market house, where there was an medieval market going on. Upstairs were the musicians, selling their music and hand made instruments. Everyone was dressed in character. It was just GREAT! :0)

Oh, here you are...it was called
The Barley Hall


York - National Centre for Early Music

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM

Or even....

Mynstyrs Mynstryls ;0)


By the way, I forgot to say, there are some superb names in here! :0)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:13 PM

None of them is any of my brilliant suggestions so I give them ALL Absolute·Zero·Minus·Googol & am Off Down The Garden 2 Eat WORMS ~~~ so there! SULK!!! & perhaps I'll die n then ule B sorry! buhuhuhu·····

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:29 PM

What about the name of a dance/tune from way back when? There's some good suggestions above, but try e.g. Passamezzo, Romanesca, etc.?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 07:57 PM

Harmonic Convergence?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:28 PM

GUEST,Murray on Saltspring, you asked, "What about the name of a dance/tune from way back when?"

9 of the 12 names on my post of 04 Mar 10 - 12:38 PM are just that!

Thanks, Smedley, and MtheGM for your votes, marked out of 10. Anyone else for that?

The Night Watch, Mr Gusto's Maggot, and Mrs Winter's Jump are so far in 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Anyone else want to agree or otherwise?

Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:35 PM

The above post should have read ...

Thanks, Smedley, and MtheGM (ahem!) for your votes, marked out of 10. Anyone else for that?

I put my (ahem!) in these brackets < > not ( ) but it disappeared!? And so did my intended witticism with it. And now explaining that I feel very silly ...

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 09:48 PM

Your '(ahem)' fully, & witticism highly if belatedly, appreciated; so worry not. Angle brackets on here, I discovered quite early on, work only for html instructions; otherwise, as you discovered, the contents vanish: ~~ use [ or { or ( instead, as you found. So all-in-all, wot with ignoring the most cogent suggestions [mine!] & not knowing how to use brackets, 'silly' is just about wot u deserved to feel, aren't it (see the ongoing 'Misuse Of Grammar In Lyrics' thread!)

& now back down garden for more worms'n'sulks! & add another couple of googols to power of my NO votes, please ~~~ in ♠♠♠.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 02:35 AM

The Whyggles

Your child's first Renaissance consort.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 05:00 AM

Thanks, MtheGM!

Piers Plowman: The Whyggles - what a great name! Would we get hordes of men asking when the belly dancer's arriving? ;-)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Little Robyn
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 03:08 PM

I think I'd vote for Night Watch or maybe Early Knights.
But Stower Ways might be fun.
Who is the other one in your duo?
Robyn

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 11:46 AM

I think Piers may have been playing on the name of a children's show from Australia featuring musicians called The Wiggles. Kids love them.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:39 PM

Robyn (and anyone else who has suggested a play on the name Stower), I am only known as Stower on Mudcat. In the folk world, I go by my actual name, xxxxxx xxxxx!

The Night Watch seems to be the winner. More people seem to think it is more memorable and appropriate than any other name, and it ties in with the waits, which is nice ... Unless anyone has any reasons to throw a spanner at this name or suggest a better one?

Cheers all
Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:00 PM

I like Night Watch too, but without the "The".

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 11:37 PM

"Night Watch" is one of the most successsful box office Russian movies ever.
An almost unwatchable mess of an action fantasy horror
in its International export version.

But apart from that , and connotations with nocturnal hobbyist persuits
involving binoculars, trees and bushes, and bedroom windows..

Yeah, its the 2nd best pick of the bunch after

'Mr Gusto's Maggot'

which children will adore.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 12:18 AM

Sorry for being dense, but what is it about Night Watch that relates to the 500 year span of music you are doing? Being across the pond, it isn't doesn't ring a bell, but then I am not your "target" audience, so it doesn't really matter. I am just curious. Thanks, this HAS been fun!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mo the caller
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:34 AM

Has anyone said

Wait and See
Waits for Maggots

There is a York Waits, could you combine Waits with your locality.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:43 AM

katlaughing, to answer your question.

The Night Watch is a composition by Anthony Holborne (fl. 1584-d.1602), who referred to himself as "Gentleman and servant to her most excellent Majestie", Queen Elizabeth I. He was an expert lute maker, song writer, poet, and composer for the lute, cittern, bandora, viol and violin, and wind instruments - so top of his particular tree. You can hear The Night Wtach being played here.

The title refers (I assume) to the town or city waits, as the night watch on the city gate was one of their duties. The waits are described in this way on this site:

"From medieval times up to the beginning of the 19th century, every British town and city of any note had a band of Waits. Their duties varied from time to time and place to place, but included playing their instruments through the town at night, waking the townsfolk on dark winter mornings by playing under their windows, welcoming Royal visitors by playing at the town gates, and leading the Mayor's procession on civic occasions."

Lots of cities now have bands who play early music, call themselves waits, and dress in old waits' clothing when they play for the public. If you'd like to see or hear any of them, click here.

Cheers
Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:47 AM

Mo, I have wondered that. There was a waits band in Worcester (recently discovered, I believe), and Worcester Waits does have a ring to it. However, I'm not sure we could justify Worcester Waits, since there's only two of us and we're going to play music much wider than the waits (as far as we know) would have played.

By the way ...
The Night Watch
Night Watch

Which one? The Holborne tune definitely has 'The', so I'd favour that. What do you think?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mo the caller
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 03:53 AM

"we're going to play music much wider than the waits (as far as we know) would have played."

That applies to any tune you name yourself after, too. If you have a name that people will remember and find in Google, they get a sentence surrounding the search words, So you could have the heading of your site to say Worcester Waits - music from C... - C...

Probably there is some clever way to make Google show what you want it to.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:00 AM

"Night Watch" made me think of "Bonaventura", which I think might be a good name for a band:

From Wikipedia:

"Bonaventura" was also the pseudonym of Ernst August Friedrich Klingemann (1777 - 1831), a German writer and theatre director.

He is generally agreed to be the author of the 1804 novel Nachtwachen (Nightwatches) under the pseudonym Bonaventura.

"The Green Mountain Band" also occurred to me (think Italian).

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:17 AM

Bonaventura sounds like an Italian disco act from the 1980s, the type that would have one hit in the UK because it got played in the Costa del Sol clubs all summer.

The Green Mountain Band (hidden Italian pun-ette notwithstanding) sounds like a old-school country group. Quite a good one, but still.....

The Night Watch sounds ideal (Though if people Google it they will get the Rembrandt painting....)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:48 AM

Thanks so much, Stower. I love to learn about things like the waites and I've always loved the music. I will have to show my brother-the composer, some of the sheet music included on that website. I've known about sackbuts, but never seen notation for them.

So, I would use "The," but allow me one more suggestion? Waites Revival? Or Revived? I suppose that is too limiting?

Thanks, again!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 01:16 PM

katlaughing, it is really is my pleasure. Medieval and renaissance music really excites me (traditional music as well, of course), I am only too happy to spread the joy, and I'm glad you love it, too.

The York Waits, by the way, are fantastic, and you should not miss an opportunity to see and hear them.

Stower

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 02:50 PM

Is there a 'v' word that conveys newness and freshness to put alongside Vintage?

Well, you could go with "Virgin", if you've got the nerve. Can't really get newer and fresher than that.

The name "Vintage Virgins" is already taken - but "Virgin Vintage" appears not to have been.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 04:04 PM

Mind you'd probabaly have that greedy bastard Richard Branson on your back if you went with that.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 07:21 PM

The suggestion of The Early Byrds gets my vote. Now, if you were from the islands, it could be Musica Antigua....but you're not, so never mind :-).

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 09:29 PM

Naming yourselves after an instrument from the middle of your period, how about "The Bum Fiddlers"?

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 09:44 AM

If you want to appeal to Kids puns are fine, as long as they get the references. But who is booking you? The teachers I bet. Puns would definitely get their attention. I agree about spelling, though if you are at all net savvy that can easily be got round.
Include all mis-spelling you can think of in meta TAGs, or if you insist on using MySpace/YouTube include the mis-spellings as an aside by pointing out you are not spelled like "xxxx" or "yyyy". Not sure how those websites are catalogued, (by themselves or in search engines).

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 09:52 AM

Doesn't seem to be that many folks out there playing the early stuff.

You could always promote your material & yourselves on the:

Early Irish Musicwebsite.

Cheers
Dick

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 04:43 AM

Thank you so very much to everyone who has contributed to this thread with such originality and good humour. It is very much appreciated.

My fellow early musician and I have reached a final decision (stands at podium, holds golden envelope, smiles cheesily into camera, rustles and tears at envelope, reaches in for paper) ...

"And the winner is ...





















The Night Watch."

Thank you all. We really couldn't have done it without you (huge grin).

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:03 AM

Well done!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:31 AM

It's a famous painting in Holland ; a bunch of smug-looking,pompous,twirly-moustachioed poseurs,looking decidely un-military,despite being well -armed with sundry weapons and plumes in their hats ! People are often so moved as to dress up themselves,and look ridiculous by "recreating" the scene on a regular basis---I wouldn't be surprised if there was a waiting list !(I fancy it ).
    So don't do it !! You KNOW that The Early Byrds sounds best !!

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:52 PM

Good choice!

Mind you - "The Night Watch is misnamed because of a very dark varnish that covered it until the 1940's. It should be titled The Company of Captain Frans Cocq." (From this page.)

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 05:19 AM

Thank you so much to all who contributed so heartily to this thread. The early music duo, The Night Watch, have now recorded an album and are ready for the release gig on 9th April 2011. I have started a new thread with the details here.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 04:44 PM

A chance to hear The Night Watch for free – twice!

We hope that anyone who helped name The Night Watch on this thread (or just anyone in general) will be interested to hear us exploring the porous boundaries between 'traditional music' and 'early music' on BBC Radio Shropshire's Sunday Folk programme with Genevieve Tudor last night. You can listen again until Sunday here. The Night Watch are on from 32.40 – 55.30 singing and playing live in the legendary middle studio – Miri it is, 2 French branles, and demonstrating early instruments during the interview; then again from 1.01.58 – 1.06.28 singing Go From My Window.

We play mediaeval, renaissance and baroque music on the instruments of the period. Described as "eclectic and highly entertaining" by Paul Baker of Diabolus In Musica and as "two very top instrumentalists" by The Circle Folk Club, we are soon to perform a special concert to promote our new album, The Ambassadors, which the BBC's Genevieve Tudor described as "a super CD ... it's such fun ... very, very good early music perpetrators". This will be on Saturday 9th April 2011 at 7.30pm at St Kenelm Church Hall, Bromsgrove Road, Romsley, West Midlands, B62 0NT (easy distance from the M5 and M6). Admission is FREE, but please do email us for ticketed entry at [e-mail]

More details about The Night Watch, soundfiles, album details and a download of the concert poster (with map) are available on our website.

Thank you for reading.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Azoic
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:30 AM

The chamberpots.

Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Azoic
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:31 AM

Kevlar codpiece