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The song Jazzer sang on the Archers?
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 06 Apr 10 - 02:42 AM Not fantasising but generalising about the inadvisability of letting crackpot interest groups hijack music for their own ends. My post of 07.42 however was far more concerned with curbing audience behaviour and with possibly halting the World Cup. A pleasing thought. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Jack Campin Date: 05 Apr 10 - 07:56 PM Songs about BPC do not lead to street violence. You're fantasizing. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 05 Apr 10 - 07:42 PM Audiences that indulge in out-of-time clapping and joining in in a variety of keys ought to be forcibly bound and gagged. However, what about when sectarian rabble-rousing singing doesn't stop there but ends up in actual street violence? (Not that I'm less than delighted that Terreblanche got what was coming to him, especially if the Kill The Boer episode puts a stop to the World Cup). |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Herga Kitty Date: 05 Apr 10 - 01:30 PM Well, I just thought it was a plus that "Ambridge has talent" was won by someone singing a traditional song that had the audience clapping along, on a Radio 4 soap.... not the usual stereotype, and unexpected from Jazzer! Kitty |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 05 Apr 10 - 12:09 PM It is a good tune, and best confined to marching bands sans words. After all, the Horst Wessel-lied is a good tune as is The Sash My Father Wore, but scarcely recommended to enhance the cause of community cohesion. There are many stirring Jacobite songs that don't glorify the idiot BPC who entirely wrecked the cause of Scots self-determination with a campaign that even his father warned him not to undertake. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Jack Campin Date: 05 Apr 10 - 11:29 AM Good tune, though. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: matt milton Date: 05 Apr 10 - 10:27 AM "BPC serves a useful function as a romantic loser figure we can all sing about without there being any chance at all that anything he stood for will ever crawl back out of the swamps of history to bite us" For a fraction of a second, I misread this as "BBC serves a useful function as a romantic loser figure we can all sing about..." For that split-second I thought you were anticipating a wealth of folk laments for Reithian values in the face of swingeing cuts to the good old Beeb. Anyway, having now looked up the words to 'The Roses O' Prince Charlie', well, they're pretty banal. My attitude towards political songs from bygone days is generally to start by seeing what poetry's in them, first and foremost. And I can't see any in 'Roses', it's pretty dull stuff. Unlike, say, "Ye Jacobites By Name" or "It was all for our Rightfu King", which have some great lines in them. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: GUEST,johnp Date: 05 Apr 10 - 09:31 AM if we are to denigrate songs for historical inaccuracy or for political correctness we will be left with very little. Certainly many ballads with their tales of incest, rape etc will have to go for starters. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Jack Campin Date: 05 Apr 10 - 09:10 AM BPC serves a useful function as a romantic loser figure we can all sing about without there being any chance at all that anything he stood for will ever crawl back out of the swamps of history to bite us. (Burns said something to that effect as early as the 1790s). He's the obverse of Guy Fawkes in England - when did his status as a folk demon last get any bystanders hurt? not for a very long time. Come to think of it "Osama Bin Laden" scans just about the same as "Bonnie Prince Charlie" and he has a pretty similar historical position, it's just a bit soon for the songwriters to have got into action. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Les from Hull Date: 05 Apr 10 - 08:22 AM Aye! Will ye no come back again? Will ye definitely no come back again? |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Apr 10 - 06:01 AM Homilies are us |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Apr 10 - 07:22 PM Personally, I blame the ketamine. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Apr 10 - 03:32 PM still dunno what it was Roses For Prince Charlie. Just off to pick some really prickly ones for sticking up the arse of the contributor who fancies himself as a descendent of the idiot Pretender who knew how to heap death and misery on the Scottish people while looking after No 1. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: GUEST,Abbul not yet hame Date: 04 Apr 10 - 03:21 PM well, i liked the song...still dunno what it was....loved the moment it happened and waited for the thread. Oh dear. Really am thinking of not bothering with mudcat . Same old miserable bastards with the same old miserable stuff. Al |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Apr 10 - 01:11 PM I was denigrating the song, as I do with any tartan-clad, shortbread-wrapped bollocks that sentimentalises "B P" Charlie. I'm nevertheless glad Ryan Kelly (if it was he, and I suppose it was) did it and hope to hear more (and better). Twas only when a snarling, blinkered Tory aka "Giok" came along with "the only pride you seem to take, is in making snide comments" à propos of very little other than a pathological hatred of the insight of Brian McNeill that inappropriate nastiness reared its head. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Apr 10 - 12:51 PM Remind me who it was who started the denigration game? As someone said elsewhere, what is it with Mudcat, when most thread descend to nastiness within about 3 posts? In many cases the answer is Diane Easby.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Apr 10 - 11:02 AM Ah, I thought the topic was the performance of a blind Scottish accordeonist / former busker / now actor doing a fake tartan Corrie impression (I'm sure he can do better) and not a lot to do with imperialism and English royalist claptrap. What was I (actually Brian McNeill) saying about men who think like sheep? Are you sittin in your council house dreaming o your clan? Waiting for the Jacobites to come and free the land? Would you rather stand and watch them dig your grave While you wait for the tartan messiah? He'll lead us to the promised land with laughter in his eye We'll all live on the oil and the whisky by and by Free heavy beer! Pie suppers in the sky Will we never have the sense to learn? (No gods & precious few heroes) |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: theleveller Date: 04 Apr 10 - 11:01 AM Bloody royalty - who needs any of them! |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Apr 10 - 10:36 AM I am just as aware of my history as you are Diane. I won't waste my time recounting the misdeeds of English kings, and the myths in which England, and many other countries take pride. It would be lowering myself to your level. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:59 AM Charles Edward Stewart was a product of pan-European Catholic aristocracy who could barely speak English, never mine Gaelic. He was responsible for the death or exile of far too many true Scottish nationalists. He was a drunken waster to the end of his days, which Flora MacDonald could have cut short by tipping him over the side on the way to Skye. He was the one who, at Culloden, "ran like a rabbit down the glen, leaving better folk than him to be butchered". National pride? Farewell to the heather in the glen They cleared us off once and they'd do it all again For they still prefer sheep to thinking men Ah, but men who think like sheep are even better. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:46 AM It's called national pride Diane. The only pride you seem to take, is in making snide comments about anything, and everything. Oh sorry, I forgot, and everyone. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:17 AM I'd book him. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:14 AM The song is the sort of tartan-clad chauvinism that Glasgow children grow up knowing - that and Coutler's Candy and hurling jelly pieces, so it could have been worse. As I've already said elsewhere. Jazzer (who is an accordeon player) for the Young Folk Award. |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Date: 04 Apr 10 - 07:40 AM when I heard it on the radio, I immediately thought ... The Corries... ! But surely Jazza is too young to have been listening to the Corries!! "a match for his speaking voice" ... well, depends on whether singers should or do sing in their speaking voice... a least he wasn't breathy (see other threads!!) Derek |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Jane Bird Date: 04 Apr 10 - 07:07 AM I don't know for certain if it Ryan Kelly, but if it's not it's a really good match for his speaking voice. Will this become a favourite sing-a-long in the Bull, just like "The Village Pump"? |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: Herga Kitty Date: 04 Apr 10 - 06:52 AM Was it actually Ryan Kelly singing it on the Archers? Kitty |
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Subject: RE: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Apr 10 - 06:12 AM The Roses O' Prince Charlie |
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Subject: The song Jazzer sang on the Archers? From: matt milton Date: 04 Apr 10 - 06:06 AM what was the Scottish folk song Jazzer sang on the Archers this week? quite well, in fact... |
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