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Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?

Paul Reade 09 Apr 10 - 03:08 PM
Midchuck 09 Apr 10 - 03:28 PM
buddhuu 09 Apr 10 - 03:38 PM
Bettynh 09 Apr 10 - 03:39 PM
Bernard 09 Apr 10 - 03:52 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 09 Apr 10 - 03:56 PM
mikesamwild 09 Apr 10 - 03:58 PM
Goose Gander 09 Apr 10 - 04:01 PM
GUEST,CS 09 Apr 10 - 04:12 PM
Charley Noble 09 Apr 10 - 04:17 PM
PoppaGator 09 Apr 10 - 04:19 PM
olddude 09 Apr 10 - 04:36 PM
beeliner 09 Apr 10 - 04:47 PM
GUEST,Doc John 09 Apr 10 - 04:53 PM
Melissa 09 Apr 10 - 04:53 PM
Chris Partington 09 Apr 10 - 04:54 PM
VirginiaTam 09 Apr 10 - 04:56 PM
The Fooles Troupe 09 Apr 10 - 04:57 PM
katlaughing 09 Apr 10 - 05:01 PM
*#1 PEASANT* 09 Apr 10 - 05:06 PM
Bill D 09 Apr 10 - 05:13 PM
Richie 09 Apr 10 - 05:14 PM
Joe Offer 09 Apr 10 - 05:24 PM
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Subject: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Paul Reade
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:08 PM

Mudcat is great for a lot of things, but the forum in particular looks very dated because of the "text only" format. How about a few updates to bring it into the 21st century, like:-

- ability to post recordings of songs, videos, music scores etc.

- simpler method of entering links ("blue clickies")

- better text formatting without having to enter HTML code

- show pictures / thumbnails of Mudcatters, like on Facebook. A Mudcatter came up to me at Sale Folk Club last week and said it was nice to put a face to the name

- a spel chekker!!

Any thoughts?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Midchuck
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:28 PM

IF IT WORKS, DON'T FIX IT!



Peter


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: buddhuu
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:38 PM

IMH newbie O, what Peter said.

I have run forums that use more up-to-date software, and I currently help to moderate on an 'ukulele forum that uses vBulletin. The "modern" stuff involves untold complication and loss of sleep for the site admin every time they have to update the installation.

All the bells and whistles cause arguments too. Should we use the member ranking system? Should we show post counts? Blah blah blah.

The new stuff is also huge and bloated. Uses loads of server space and bandwidth.

Mudcat is great. The stone-age technology is in keeping with the traditional subject matter. Good grief, the place has been going longer than most forums that have updated their back end stuff.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Bettynh
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:39 PM

I like this format. It's a relief from all that multimedia stuff, and folks with slower connections can join. I would like a search function for the discussions, though.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Bernard
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:52 PM

There are plenty of those sorts of sites around... Mudcat is unique, and long may it stay that way!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:56 PM

Nothing to stop anyone linking to media pages, Myspace, Youtube etc. And what's un-simple about the blue-clickifier?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: mikesamwild
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:58 PM

If the didcussion is good it's very good. Natter is better than twitter. As a relative newcommer I found it complicated but I'm getting used to it.

A better search facility for past topics would help, bt maybe I'm not using it properly.


It's nice to have one archaic site like The Times letters page!.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:01 PM

The search function needs to be fixed, otherwise the format works for what we do.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:12 PM

Should Mudcat be updated? Yes, about ten years ago.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:17 PM

It would be nice to post small images.

But it would be more exciting if the search function worked better.

Maybe we should donate more money to Max, along with our recommendations.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:19 PM

I vote for letting well enough alone.

The "blue clicky" generator is EASY, and can be used to link to just about anything. This allows the actual Mudcat Forum site to remain clean, mean, and lean, while still providing access to whatever additional bells and whistles that your little heart might desire.

If you can't figure out how to POST a clickable link, you can still type in a URL, and anyone who is really motivated to check out your link can copy-and-paste it to their browser address box very easily.

And, of course, you should certainly be able to USE a clickable link ~ just freakin' click on it!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: olddude
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:36 PM

Ok, here is the kicker, photos, video, music ... they take space. Max would have to pay a much higher rate then he does right now to house all of that stuff. Would it be nice sure, but I doubt anyone can run a free website with the volume of information the cat has stored over the last 15 or so years ... things like youtube, and myspace. They sell lots of ads, even with their revenue generating machine if you look at their bottom line they are always losing money and they are huge corps. An individual running a forum on his own cannot do that with $$ or saturating this place with ads that would kill our dialup users ...

bad idea


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: beeliner
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:47 PM

For the user, vBulletin is hard to beat.

Never having used it as an administrator, I cannot comment from that end.

To me, one of the biggest shortcomings of the current setup is the inability to correct typos once the comment is posted, and I'm not the only one. Look through most any thread and you'll see "My last post should have read.....". Needless and confusing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:53 PM

Ok it looks old fashioned in this 10 minute culture time but some of these sites which look so good and sophisticated are so damn difficult to use. The Mudcat's easy to use, fast and there are links if you want them to all you need. Put a 'top of page' at the bottom of the page though, please!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Melissa
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:53 PM

I like it as it is (except the part about Forum Search being tricky now)

I like being able to read black type in standard font.
I like having to click to look at pictures/stuff.
I like the low-tech look.

There are plenty of other places to write in various colors and design little display pictures and blather ourselves silly with gadgets and junk that slows things down.

Mostly, I like it that we have a Max who is willing to put the effort into keeping us running and I think it's especially nice that he chooses to give us an easy forum to navigate.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Chris Partington
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:54 PM

I like it as it is. It never even occurred to me that it was old-fashioned, it does what it does. I don't have an accent checker on my vocal chords and I don't want a spell checker.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:56 PM

more stuff on it means more to break down

i like it the way it is


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 04:57 PM

This is an old Folk Song - to an even older tune

"Should the Mudcat be updated
Lala la la la la la"


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:01 PM

Mudcat is trad as it is, and should be left alone for posterity and us old folkies. Tarting it up to be more like FB and the others would be like adding on to the original house that Woody grew up in or somesuch (I think Art Thieme has a picture of it.)

The Super Search will get fixed, eventually. IN the meantime, you can use google search by putting this in: "mudcat cafe: search terms of whatever you are looking for." Generally that will turn things up. You many also go to the drop down menu for Quick Links, scroll down to Old Adv. Forum Search and use that.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:06 PM

mudcat works fine its the DT that needs renovation and updating.

I have been less motivated to add songs here because the lack of DT updates.

We should produce in the DT something that has life beyond server maintenance.

Otherwise things here are very user friendly and effective as anything with more features could be.

Conrad
    Hi, Conrad - we've gone to updating the Digital Tradition about once a year, and that has happened regularly for about three years. There should be an update coming fairly soon. There are lots of corrections and lots of new songs every year. We just don't bother to list what's new, because the new stuff has already been posted in the forum.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:13 PM

blue clickies are easy...and the are several guides in the FAQ showing exactly how.

Other HTML is almost as easy, and there are programs which will do them for you (at least Windows programs that I know of) and spellcheckers are built into most decent browsers.(Mine just objected to spellcheckers, but okayed spell checkers).)

We do have pictures of many Mudcatters and events...look under quick links.

When we began, we could link to pics and show them in threads, but that slows things down.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Richie
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:14 PM

I think the "search" should be fixed so that old threads can be easy to find.

The problem with links is after several years most of them don't work anymore.

Unless the info is very long it might be best to include (copy and paste) and reference where the link came from.

I'm for adding pics and MP3's but this is no biggie.

Richie


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:24 PM

I usually close threads like this, because we generally don't allow discussion of Mudcat policy. Most often, these discussions end up being gripe sessions about how outdated Mudcat technology is, and how arbitrary and dictatorial the moderators are. We all know how outdated Mudcat's technology is - most things have been more-or-less the same here since about 2000. We all know that some people think our moderators are arbitrary and dictatorial because they slavishly adhere to Mudcat's free-speech policy and refuse to delete all kinds of offensive stuff. As long as this thread doesn't turn into a gripe session about things we can't fix, I'll leave it open.


We do get some complaints about posts being deleted arbitrarily, and we take those complaints seriously. Most times when I investigate, I find that there is no deleted post (I can see deleted posts) - and all I can figure is that the post didn't "take." This is most often a problem with the user's browser, and sometimes a glitch in Mudcat. Best to be safe - before you submit a post you've worked hard on, highlight [CTRL-A] and copy [CTRL-C] what you've typed, so you have a copy on your computer's "clipboard" in case the message doesn't "take." Then if you need to, you can paste [CTRL-V] the post into a message again, or save it in a word processor until Mudcat is working better.

And yes, we all know the search engine "needs fixed," as Max and his compatriots say in Pennsylvania - but do take a look at the alternative search engines explained in the FAQ. With a little ingenuity, you can search for and find almost anything here.


In answer to Paul's post, let me say that although it has disadvantages, one of the best qualities about Mudcat is its simplicity. Maybe it's partly because I'm used to it, but I think Mudcat's forum menu is easier to read and more colorful than vBulletin and most other discussion forum indexes, and it contains more relevant information. The simplicity and lack of features of Mudcat have motivated Mudcatters to be inventive, and to use outside sources to provide what Mudcat hasn't provided. It even motivated one Mudcatter, Jon Freeman, to create an ideal forum for folk music information, http://www.folkinfo.org.

There was a time when we had a technician, Jeff, working on Mudcat almost full-time. He and I would chat into the wee hours of the morning, and we'd try all sorts of new features he'd develop and he often permanently added several features overnight. And at the beginning of Mudcat, we had an entire company, Onstagemedia, available to work on Mudcat. Alas, our technical staff has dwindled to one person, Mudcat's owner, Max, who has to take time out to make a living and care for children. So, our main technical priority these days is simply to keep things running.

Still, Paul has some good suggestions, and many of them can be done with just a little bit of help. You'll find that we have many talented Mudcatters who are very willing to help. And if you can't find something, contact me by personal message or e-mail (joe@mudcat.org) - I'm the contact person and I can direct your request to the right place.

So, let's look at Paul's list and see what we can do:

    - ability to post recordings of songs, videos, music scores etc.
    People post recordings on MySpace and videos on YouTube, and music scores and photos on a huge number of free online services - and then they post links to that stuff in the Forum. And if you can't do it yourself, contact me and I'm happy to find somebody to help you.


    - simpler method of entering links ("blue clickies")
    Try the Make a link ("blue clicky") tool at the bottom of the message entry box. It works quite well. And if you have trouble, just post the URL you want people to see. Oftentimes, Mudcatters will come along and post a link in the next message, or a moderator will change your URL to a link. Note that we've recently had a problem with clickable links within the texts of personal messages. Probably best not to try links there unless you test them with the "preview" function.

    - better text formatting without having to enter HTML code
    Our biggest HTML problem was lack of line breaks, so Max did put in automatic line breaks (which you can switch off if you need to do something fancy). The automatic line breaks do cause a problem with links in personal messages. I have notified Max about that.
    You can use most HTML functions within Mudcat messages - but you have to learn the functions. They're not all that hard, and many of us have learned a lot of HTML here. I learned all the HTML I know, right here, and now I use it to maintain three different Websites. There's a Mudcat HTML guide listed in the PermaThread Index, and you can experiment with HTML all day using the "preview" function in any thread.



    - show pictures / thumbnails of Mudcatters, like on Facebook. A Mudcatter came up to me at Sale Folk Club last week and said it was nice to put a face to the name
    Our regular Mudcat photos section is not being updated, due to database corruption problems, but it has photos of lots of Mudcatters. You'll find it in the QuickLinks dropdown menu on most Mudcat pages. Katlaughing worked up a temporary Mudcat Photos page on MyOpera, and you can send photos to her or to me for posting - details in this thread. You may not be able to post your picture in every message, but you can post a link to your photo wherever you want.

    - a spel chekker!!
    Well, this once would have been a very good idea, and we did experiment with some options. But nowadays, why bother? If you have almost any browser other than Internet Explorer, there's a spellchecker built in. So why should Mudcat bog itself down with a spellchecker, when browsers have them built in?


Oh, and the search function, which is a perennial problem - and which Max keeps fixing and it still keeps going haywire. BUT let me tell you that I worked very hard to explain all our search tools in the FAQ, and I think we have NINE different search tools, of varying levels of effectiveness. But if you experiment with them, you will find that you can locate almost anything without using our bug-ridden, index-based search engine.

I suppose my "do-it-yourself" answers won't satisfy some people, but there's something to be said for working with the reality that confronts you. If you take the time to learn a few things, or if you take the time to ask how something can be done, you can do almost anything here. That's always been the greatest benefit of Mudcat - you have the freedom to do whatever your ingenuity will allow you to do. Want some examples of what people have done with Mudcat? - take a look at the PermaThread Index.



-Joe-
joe@mudcat.org

P.S. That being said, I acknowledge that there are a number of functions like photos and the search engine that need to be fixed, and we should fix it so people can't post no-name Guest messages.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Grampus
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:45 PM

As Midchuck said above

If it ain't brok DON'T fix it



G.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Joe_F
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:50 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I wish the Mudcat Forum were even *more* archaic: like Usenet. My chief annoyance is that every comment goes at the end of the thread, not as an appendage to the comment to which it is a reply.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 05:56 PM

Please- do not "update" it. Please.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:01 PM

Joe F, I agree about the pluses of Usenet style threading. If somebody wants to introduce a thread shift/drift, the thread branches off with replies to that post and the original topic can continue on. You can choose which sub-parts to follow instead of having to read everything.

I don't think there a way Max could do that, though.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:05 PM

Well, it is 'sorta' broke. Where is the auction? Where are the old Member and Photo info? Let alone the new ones.....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:07 PM

nothing, but nothing whatsoever, wrong with the Mudcat format, although the thin edge of the wedge manifested itself some years ago with the introduction of the idiot-friendly automatic blue clicky system.

if you want to post a link, learn some basic HTML imho.

if I can do it, anybody can do it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:11 PM

Mudcat Photos are here (click). They're a members-only feature, so you have to be logged in to see them.

I really miss our intercontinental song circles. We used to gather singers from Europe, North America, and Australia, and sing all night. I was living in a duplex at the time and my next-door neighbor didn't always like it, but I thought it was wonderful. We used PalTalk for our singarounds, and I don't think PalTalk is available anymore. Is there an other service that would allow a singaround, and is there somebody who'd like to organize it?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:14 PM

Google is your friend, Joe! It's still out there...

I stopped playing with it when they updated so it would not work with Win98SE ... :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:22 PM

Mudcat is fine just the way it is.

Russ (still Permanent GUEST after all these years)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:29 PM

Seem to remember Paltalk would not work with Linux either.

While minor mods may help Mudcat - it works fine for it's puprose !!! PURPOSE - an 'ignore' button that would mean one would not have to see any posts from certain Trolls in BS threads would be a bonus! :-0


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:32 PM

Well, I couldn't get to the Members Photo page from the quick links...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:45 PM

Sorcha hasa point ! The stuff IS there , but the selector is blank until you run the cursor alomng to find the headings !


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the other browser
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:47 PM

Mudcat is the easiest simplest to use chatsite that I have ever seen.

The only thing that would make a big improvement would be better access for the visually impaired: mudcat is not so great with acoustic readers, so I am told.

Other than that - LEAVE IT ALONE.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:49 PM

Oh, I like Google just fine, Foolestroupe - but I still say that the Filter is my bestest friend...


For years, the Filter was our only search engine.....well, I thought it was years, but this thread indicates the old Forum Search was already working in July, 1997.

...but I still like the Filter best.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:05 PM

On the photos page, there's a blank bar where the menu bar used to be. If you mouse over it, you can see where the links go and clicking on them (except for profiles) still works.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: olddude
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:12 PM

Try using one of the more advanced forums on a dialup, you could die, have the service, and get cremated before your info got there. One of the nice features about this forum is that our dialup users can still access it and post ...

There is an elegant beauty in simplicity.   I develop pretty robust java web applications for business. They are great for business use but not for the general user.   I would not change a thing other than maybe fix the search when time permits ...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:12 PM

Well, whoopee. How are we supposed to know that? Can't it be FIXED???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:15 PM

Auction?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:20 PM

As the man said, if it 'aint broke, don't fix it !

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:25 PM

Mudcat ain't old enough to go through the change.

No need for HRT.

It is what it is, and it does what it does because we all like it that way.

This subject comes up a couple of times a year, and the vast majority say "We don't give change".

If eveything on my PC were as lean, and mean, it would work at ten times the speed.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:41 PM

PalTalk? When I used the shared singing, it was HearMe. I did see something that might work for singing awhile back... I'll see if I can find it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Paul Reade
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:48 PM

Thanks for your responses. A few points in reply:-

Apologies - I wasn't aware of the existence of Member Photos. It seems a good facility, but I would suggest that it could be highlighted when new members join, and that a link could be set up from the "From" line, similar to the "PM" link. There don't seem to be many of the "Mudcat regulars" on there though.

I personally do not have a problem with "blue clickies", but from the number of postings with URLs in that do not link, a lot of people do.

Similarly, I don't have a problem with HTML, but others seem to, judging by some of the comments I have seen.

As for spell checking, for long postings, I usually do them in Word first, spell check, read them, post, and then preview. There's always the odd one that gets through though!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 07:53 PM

How are you supposed to know, Sorcha? ASK!

Yeah, I suppose given time and money, most everything that's broken can be fixed. But griping about it just makes for an unpleasant atmosphere. It appears to me that Max just doesn't have the time to fix certain features. HOWEVER, there are several of us who can figure out a workaround for just about any problem. Just ASK!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:20 PM

You're welcome, Sorcha.

I hadn't realized people didn't know about the 'mouse over' thing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:21 PM

Thanks Joe-

I guess not being here for a while I have not noticed. For a while I kept coming back and finding the same version of the dt.

Glad to hear of its annual updates.

Conrad


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:25 PM

Joe-
Cant seem to find where the DT can be downloaded.
Is there a link?

Conrad
    The downloadable DT is a problem. The online DT gets updated regularly, but we've had technical problems with Windows version of the database and haven't seen much interest in the DOS version.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Should Mudcat be updated?
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:31 PM

I think the DT needs far more songs of Nazis and WhiteSupremacist as well as ones about people with B.O.

I have recently learned in a thread that we all need to be be more open and that we need to share with those we disagree with. I think Ron Olesko and Don Firth will back me up on this.

Spaw


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