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Subject: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:17 AM The thread regarding Mediaring prompts me to ask this question. How many Mudcatters are using MAC platform computers? (count me as one) Alice |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Will Bakker Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:35 AM me too. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: MMario Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:38 AM *shudder* I won't say it, because everything else I have heard about Alice makes me respect her. *biting tongue very hard* |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Lady McMoo Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:50 AM I generally use a Mac too (out of choice!) but can also access Mudcat from the other type. mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Nogs Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:41 PM Mac at home, other type at work. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Guy Wolff Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:48 PM I have the little Imac and love the thing>>>I desighn pottery for Smith and Hawken CO and the use of a digital camera saves alot on UPS and plane tickets to both Mill Valley and MY guilds in Wissconsin and Honduras. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rick Fielding Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:51 PM Please, this is a serious question, not one of my "tongue in cheek" things. Why do computer-knowlegable people re-act so strongly about PCs and Macs? Is this just the same as we guitar nerds, when we talk about Gibsons and Martins? Last year when we bought this (PC) every expert(?) we talked to said "don't get Mac - they'll be out of business in a bit". If someone does answer this, please use really simple language. It's still as confusing to me as a Db7/b5 is to some others. Thanks. Rick |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Easy Rider Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:57 PM I always thought a Mac was a high calorie, high colesterol, fast food sandwich. Aren't those things bad for your heart? EZR |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: MMario Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:58 PM Rick - seriously, having been in computer support for over 13 years now.... about a year - maybe 18 months ago people were leaving apple in droves...including upper echelon executives and department heads...which made people antsy.... Macs are good machines, but I have a problem with them personally as I am "icon -challanged" - I can NOT figure out what most of the "pretty little pictures" are suppossed to mean, and I function much better with a keyboard then I do a mouse. I HATE graphic desktops.... As a technician, I dislike Macs because I can't fiddle with them. With PC's there are lots and lots of back doors that I can fix things through. With Macs, practically none. And I have yet to find anything not program specific that can be done on Mac that I cannot do on my PC MMario |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:03 PM sorry I asked (I love my Mac for reasons I won't go into here - I donated my PC to a worthy cause, an agency for homeless kids who needed another office computer) |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bert Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:07 PM I'm with you MMario, You just can't GET AT the damned things. Where's my command line??? I used to be a real Apple fan when I had my old 'II Plus'. But Apple made so many mistakes when they came out with the Mac that I never did like it. They split their resources trying to build three differerent machines at the same time, The IIE, IIC and the Mac. Just think where they'd be now if they had gone for one machine with the best of everything. The open architecture and system of the IIE, The Mac software, all in a box the size of the IIC. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Charlie Baum Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:09 PM I use Macs at home and at the office. --Charlie Baum |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Jeri Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:09 PM Rick, I think the different aspects of the two types of computers/operating systems appeal to different people. Some people just like Macs, some people just like PCs. And each person's opinion is the only correct one. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Peter T. Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:14 PM Somebody once said that Macs are for people who like Emmylou Harris, PCs (well Windows) are for Dolly Parton fans. (I like both women for many reasons). The most recent Microsoft products have made PCs superficially more user friendly, but if you try and do anything even remotely complicated, you discover that the "mental maps" that operate the underlying software systems are completely different, and drive people nuts. I used PC's for years, and then switched over to Macs not by choice. I would never, ever go back: you will have to pry my machine out of my dead hands. Macs are much simpler for human beings, make logical sense for users (not technical experts) and they can connect up to everything easily. They are a dream for children. I have colleagues who are almost completely stuck having to do nothing but wordprocessing on their PC's, because once they step out of line, nothing makes any sense. I work with people who are working on PC's all day long, and the struggles they go through are pathetic -- trying to find system files, documents, printer files. The only good things about PCs are those they stole from Macs, and the fact that they own a large part of the market, so there is some convenience in that. They are both going out the window with Linux and the Internet anyway, so the dispute is becoming like that between Protestants and Catholics. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: amo Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:43 PM My favourite is the mac - of course - because I come from the "graphic-side". When I started whith computers, the macintosh was the only thing for good typing. I worked as a trainer for mac-software , and as a supporter with different machines. I think: The only important thing is, what you want to do - sometimes a pencil would be enough. (Isn`t the most important question: Do you prefere Illustrator or Freehand? --- or should I say: Which game do you want to play? |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Lesley N. Date: 12 Aug 99 - 02:36 PM Rick, I don't think it's a question of which is "better" or "easier." Both will be debated endlessly. The fact is that Steve Jobs did a brilliant job of creating a culture out of the Mac. To be a Mac user became, and is still, something of pride.
I used to work at a place that was one of the early Apple dealers in the country and the fanaticism - maybe devotion is a better word - used to amaze me.
I am a martial artists and the PC/MAC debate always reminds me of the "Which martial art is better" conversations that abound. The answer in both instances is that everyone swears by their own.
Lesley,
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Deacon Date: 12 Aug 99 - 03:19 PM Someone pointed out the inconsistency of my liking both computers and 1880s' banjos so I went out and got an Underwood No. 5. Been having a hard time finding a modem for the dern thing so I try to use my mac at home. At school people only speak Windoze but the connection is quick. My mac, Underwood and Fairbanks/Cole will sail into the new year without a worry. We'll see about NT. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bat Goddess Date: 12 Aug 99 - 04:56 PM Mac at home; Macs at work. I'm a professional graphics person, too. It used to be easy when someone asked what I do. I'm a typographer. Now I have to define myself as a digital prepress production technician. And I have to deal with those other platform boxes that do things so wierdly backwards. ("If this was a Mac, I'd be done by now.") BTW, Illlustrator rather than Freehand. Linn the Bat Goddess |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: bbc Date: 12 Aug 99 - 05:17 PM I'll third amo & Bat Goddess. Although I don't speak from personal experience, I've always heard that Macs were more friendly for graphics. I do know that, several years ago, before Windows, I (a non-programmer) found Macs less threatening & easier to use than PC's. If I were a programmer & needed to do "stuff," I suspect I'd want a PC. That's all we have at my house, anyway. I'm surrounded by techies, so I've learned to cope. bbc |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: John of the Hill Date: 12 Aug 99 - 05:23 PM I use a Mac, unashamedly and unapologetically. Several of the people I work with are also home users of the other platform. I am amazed at how often they ask me how to deal with a problem, and I can only say "I don't know, that doesn't happen on a Mac. John |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: dick greenhaus Date: 12 Aug 99 - 05:28 PM Mac at work, PC at home. I'm an old-fashioned type; I hate it when computers do things I don't tell them to do. IMO, both Mac operating systems and Windows (any flavor) are essentially gussied-up training wheels that unnecessarily interfere with computer operation, and function mostly to sell ever-more-powerful computers. Bah Humbug |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bill D Date: 12 Aug 99 - 07:41 PM well, I am convinced that Macs simply 'work' better, are more user friendly, graphics clever and generally a saner design...but I am going to get another PC this time. Why? Because I LOVE all the little 'extra' stuff that gets written for PC..wierd printing programs, file searchers, graphic converters, audio players...etc...For every program written for MAC, there seem to be 27 for the PC, and I can pick & choose. And the popular 'chat' programs..IRC, ICQ...etc...are always slower to be done for MAC, and have fewer features when they DO arrive!..( I have a friend who LOVES her MAC, and is constantly searching for the neat things I take for granted on my OLD PC with Win3.1!) I bought Beta instead of VHS, SyQuest instead of ZIP drive, a lathe that has the only known 1 1/8X12tpi thread pattern in the universe, so I can't buy attachments for it..etc...all good products, but not easy to find parts or products for...and I will stick with PCs until I am convinced that I can get the bells & whistles I want...please MAC, prove me wrong..I'd LOVE to use your neat machine...make me LOTS of toys sor it, and I will! |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: MMario Date: 12 Aug 99 - 08:56 PM dick: amen, Amen, AMEN.
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Craig Date: 12 Aug 99 - 10:04 PM I use an old mac quadra 660 and down loaded the digital tradition to it last year. We love it. My wife has her music files on her mac G3 powerbook and we're hoping for a system 8 upgrade of DT sometime soon. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: WyoWoman Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:12 PM Macs and Sun Microsystems (now THERE's an adventure!) at work (I'm a journalist) and PC at home. I found the Mac I had at home until just recently to be a lot more user-friendly than my new PC, which seems to just toss out error messages willy-nilly for no good reason other than to see a non-computer-type-woman dissolve into tears of frustration and rage. But... frankly, that might have something to do with the computer support person who shall remain nameless but set my machine up for me and seemed to have made an operator error or two. One thing I really hate, however, is that my Mac will read just about any IBM disc that it's asked to, but the IBM won't read any Mac discs. I have all my old articles and columns archived on my Mac discs from my previous home computer and, well, I"m sorta screwed unless I want to go somewhere and have each individual file converted to an IBM disc and document. If anyone out there in Mudcatland has a better idea how to do it, I'm game... WW |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:36 PM The only thing better than a Mac is a new Mac (gawd, how I'd love to trade my old Performa 6300 for a G3--Guy, is the iMac an appropriate tool for a photographer? The price is right, but does it have the graphics capabilities that the big ones have? I've played with a G3 running Photoshop and watched filters which take five minutes to work on my current Mac pop in almost immediately on the blue and white beauty). --seed |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: ddw in windsor Date: 13 Aug 99 - 01:12 AM Mac at work and OOOOLD PC at home. Both work fine for what they are designed for, so there's not beef with either. The Macs are editing/layout tools for a newspaper and I use my 1988 Commadore PC 10-III for writing and storing household lists, song lyrics, etc. Before we got Macs at work -- which are now being upgraded, since these are about five years old -- we were using a Harris pagination system that was completely dedicated to layout and an old (we're talking ancient!!!) SDC system for writing and massaging copy. The paper bought the SDCs in about 1974 and I still consider them one of the finest word processors I've ever seen, but then we had to have other systems for everything else we did. At one point we had eight — count 'em, eight — different systems in the newsroom, each with it's own foibles. The Macs came in and everything could be done on one machine. Joy! Since I've never used Windows, I can't comment on how it compares to Mac's icon-driven operation, but I've found with the latter it's a lot faster and easier to use mnemonics than to fool around with pull-down menus. Alas, I've afraid the old PC is going to have to go soon, since the strife and I are thinking about getting into a little side business that would require a lot of Internet work and the poor old thing probably doesn't have enough memory to open most web sites' graphics. I'll probably go Mac when I do, just because it would be less hassle than having to think differently depending on which machine I'm using. ddw |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Craig Date: 13 Aug 99 - 01:49 AM I suddenly feel as if there are two of me. I own a PC that was put together for me by a guy in Rancho Bernardo. I don't have a wife who has a Mac G3 Powerbook. Whoa! This could get to be comfusing. Max help!!! |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Ana Date: 13 Aug 99 - 03:05 AM yip!!! I've got an iMac - nice colour, lovely curves.. and yes..a mind too!! |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bat Goddess Date: 13 Aug 99 - 07:47 AM Since most high end output devices are Postscript, Macs are definitely the machine of choice in the graphic arts industry. Plus we can use or get at just about anything in a PC file. And can format PC discs. Users of Wintel boxes can't seem to cope with a Mac disc. Worse comes to worse, convert it to a PDF and output CMYK seps from that. Color management, which is a major part of my industry, isn't even being addressed on the PC side. Sound/music, graphics, etc. were all integrated first on the Mac side -- without buying special cards/hardware, etc. BTW, I started out in '85 with a IBM-XT, no HD, 256k RAM ("You'll never need more than that.") and, of course, proprietary typesetting equipment (that didn't even dream about doing graphics, let alone integrating them, or doing anything like multi-media). Can't twist my brain around Wintel boxes, but, hey!, whatever works for what you're doing. Linn the Bat Goddess |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Peter T. Date: 13 Aug 99 - 10:10 AM Dear Wyowoman, Concerning the IBM to Mac problem, there are two solutions. The first is that there are IBM emulators out there that would temporarily turn your IBM into a MAC (just as you can get them for MACs the other way), but I have no idea where they are, or how well they work. There are a number of mac support sites, and a chat site that would give you more info. A faster solution would be to simply put the files on your MAC disks back into your computer, and then recopy them onto an IBM formatted disk. You wouldn't have to open the files, just move them. If you want to create an IBM formatted disk that works with a MAC, check out the pulldown menu in your MAC under SPECIAL, ERASE DISK....That gives you the option of formatting the disc as IBM (it erases everything on the disk first!). It isn't the best solution, but it is a lot faster than redoing every file. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 13 Aug 99 - 12:29 PM Well, thanks fellow artist/designers/photographers, I don't feel so lonely here in Mudworld, now.
Several reasons why artists work better with MACs have already been covered. My reasons - efficiency, creativity, speed, reliability. In fact, I just ordered an iMac as a second computer for my son to use. I have a support person who used to work at the local Apple dealer who comes to my studio if necessary to work on anything on the machine that I can't do myself, but have had very few problems in the last 2 1/2 years with my current computer. I use a WACOM tablet and work mostly in Photoshop, but also use Illustrator. I sometimes work in traditional art media like this that I scan in to Photoshop. Being able to use the WACOM pen to control subtle brush and airbrushing, create custom patterns for the brush, etc. makes it fast and easy to create from scratch. Drawing with a mouse like that is impossible ... like trying to airbrush with a brick.
So, there are different systems for different reasons. Using the right tool for the right job... I'm back to the drawing board to finish art, then get ready to sing at Mudstock tomorrow.
W.W., I have a CD writer, if you want to spring for the blank CD's, I'll convert your Mac files to IBM format CD's for you. Bring them along to Columbus. I'll see you there. alice in montana |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Helge in Norway Date: 13 Aug 99 - 01:11 PM I`m using a MAC Power PC Helge hlyster@c2i.net |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: K~~ Date: 13 Aug 99 - 04:28 PM Learned on a Mac and love 'em, they're my choice. Forced to use PC at work. Macs best in biz for graphics. They'll never fold though, then Bill Gates would have (more) anti trust suits up the rear facing orifice. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Captain Swing Date: 13 Aug 99 - 08:07 PM I have yet to meet (personally) a user of both platforms who prefers PCs. I agree with the Protestant/Catholic analogy though. Maybe the Catholics are the Mac users because they can have the fun, make the mistakes, know the support is at hand in times of crisis and still be redeemed (ie: not destroy their files). I'm off to Greece for a bit now but I'll be interested to see how this thread goes. Captian Swing (Baptised, confirmed and practising Mac user) |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: bob schwarer Date: 14 Aug 99 - 07:21 AM Dick: Back to DOS? |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 14 Aug 99 - 07:59 AM Boy!!! I hesitate to tell you guys what I use..... Atari ST system At work, we have to use PCs with Windows, and the same at my church. I haven't used a Mac in ages, but I like them. Personally, I am building a box using an Intel processor, but that is so I can put Linux on it. The Atari version of Linux is hard on the mind to keep working, and the PC model of Linux is much easier to work with. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Roger the zimmer Date: 16 Aug 99 - 09:03 AM I used to have a long black Mac but my female work colleagues said it made me look like a flasher (and they doubted I had the requisite qualifications!) so I stopped wearing it! Seriously, in the colleage where I work only PCs are supported by the computer staff but a couple of depts and the publications team are sufficiently wedded to MACs to pay for their own support. I believe they find graphics easier to handle. I've never used them so can't judge. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Fadac Date: 16 Aug 99 - 10:39 AM Computers, Hmmm, OK I have an old 7100 (mac) that I use for some games and video editing. I also use it as an X terminal for my file server. (A intel box running FreeBSD (unix thing)). Then on another table, I have a Win 95 box. Here I do my CD mastering, Audio work, and Autocad.
I swap files back and forth all the time with no problem. My text files are all in Word 6. I have both versions, Mac & windows. OK it's not the latest, but it keeps me from getting confused.
I'm keeping my 7100 untill the G-4's come out later this year.
I also have two old mac powerbooks that I use from time to time, and a pentium laptop.
Printers? I have an Apple laser printer on my network, so I can print to it from any machine. Then there is a HP 860 that I don't use much, and an Epson I use for color proofs.
They all work (sort of) and they all have their little quirks (you bet!) But mostly they get the job(s) done.
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: dick greenhaus Date: 16 Aug 99 - 12:32 PM Bob Schwartzer- The only good thing I can say about DOS is that, for me, it works better than either MAC or Windows. I'd switch to Linux, but that wouldn't do DigiTrad users any good. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Brian Hoskin Date: 17 Aug 99 - 03:08 AM I'm firmly in the Mac camp. Brian |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: David Ingerson Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:35 AM I'm a Mac user and as a teacher I find them much easier for kids to use. By the way, I'm not an icon person, either; the view of my documents I choose is either by title or by date, depending on what type of folder I'm working in. Can PC's do that? Just asking since I don't know. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Fadac Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:04 PM Mac update. Old 7100 bit the big one yesterday. It seems that it can't find the keyboard or mouse any more. So I belive the APD(what ever) port that the keyboard and mice talk to ...died. As I have a big video project on it. This really sucks. Also as the video card is NuBus, that sucks even more. However I did find a 8100/110 bare, and it should be here soon. The dumb video card is about a grand, and I also have a F/W scsi card. So will continue in the obsolite systems untill the G-4 comes out. -Fadac |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:11 PM yes, Fadac, I can relate to drooling over those G-4's. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: M Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:24 PM Mac at work and home. I am a graphic designer/artist and Macs are definitely easier to use. There are so many options in how you can set up your machine and how you work that the intuitive/analytical argument doesn't hold. Macs are quite logical (this coming froma Virgo). Let's not forget that Windows is just a rip-off of the Mac operating system, but not as fluid. Yeah, I encounter the same thing with PC friends when we work in the same program, and all I can say is, "I don't know why you can't. I can do it on my Mac." |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: William Pint Date: 18 Aug 99 - 12:11 PM I've been using a Mac for years (ever since abandoning the sinking Amiga ship.) Never had a moment of regret. I'm now using a G3 desktop at home and a powerbook 1400 on the road. I also have been driving Volkswagens for years -- maybe there's a connection there as well? |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Phil Taylor Date: 18 Aug 99 - 06:39 PM I'm a Molecular Biologist/Musician/Programmer. I use an SGI and Macs at work, and I write software for Macs at home. My wife uses a PC. For music (which nobody seems to have mentioned) Macs are far better than PCs. Even the heavyweight software which is available for both, e.g. Cubase works far better on the Mac. There's a much larger selection of general software for PCs, but the quality of Mac software is higher. As for the user interface - use whatever you like best, and if you prefer you can run Linux on either.
Best ABC software is BarFly |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 18 Aug 99 - 07:55 PM Hi, Phil, thank you for BarFly. I was thinking of the music aspect of this question the other day, and since this is a music forum, I was rather surprised that there was not a larger response to this question from musicians using Macs. I decided to move all my music applications to my son's Mac, so I can keep this one for graphics. That way we can use the midi keyboard with the other computer out of the way of all my graphics stuff. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: judy Date: 19 Aug 99 - 03:02 AM solidly insanely great Mac. (But I did get a PC card in it because I have to use it at work and wanted to be able to look at work stuff at home) enjoy! judy |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 23 Aug 99 - 02:08 PM Well, to keep this in the music vein, I did find this parody in the Database:
APPLE COMPUTER
I gave my love an Apple that had no core
How can there be an Apple that has no core?
An Apple MOS memory don't use no core @computer @parody |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 07 Nov 07 - 11:00 PM I joined the club about an hour ago. The young man at Best Buy who talked me out of another PC and into the iMac assures me my 55 year old brain can handle the transition. Janie |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: KT Date: 07 Nov 07 - 11:11 PM You'll love it Janie! KT |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: TRUBRIT Date: 07 Nov 07 - 11:15 PM I have one -- I'm struggling -- I Mudcat on the Apple side but I have a program that allows me to go on the Windows side so I can use various programs that are not MAC friendly......I periodically ask my husband why the MAC - that cost three times the regular PC -- is such a big deal when for my work I have to have a Windows side..... |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 07 Nov 07 - 11:17 PM I was almost convinced back in June and was in fact 3 seconds from opening my wallet and throwing down some of my hard earned cash for one. But something told me to hold back and think hard about this transaction After 2 days I decided not too and bought an HP (PC) .... I don't think the $700 xtra I would have spent on the MAC was really worth the difference. PC's have evolved significantly in the way of audio and video. I do quite a bit of photo work and some (goof off)recording. The quality of the output would not be improved in using a MAc ... faster processing would, but since I'm not involved in some sweat shop graphics shop there is no need for producing results at the speed of lighting. I must admit I certainly like the looks of the MAcs All in all, it's each to there own .... my requirements could not justify the higher price of the MAc. Congrats on your new acquisition Janie and I'm sure you will adjust to the new transition.It couldn't be anymore difficult than adjusting to the new PC Vista OS. biLL |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 07 - 11:51 PM JANIE!! You're BRILLIANT!! I made the jump from hard-boiled PC user to Mac enthusiast back in, oh, 1986 or so--my 286 was due for an upgrade and someone had this IIcx I think it was...BBW swore by it, and I was willing to TRY pointing and clicking, even though I secretly believed in command line operation as the True Path. I have never looked back. A |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: cptsnapper Date: 08 Nov 07 - 12:22 AM I think that Macs are great but I'm having trouble trying to download the Mudcat database. I'm using Tiger 10.4.10 so any suggestions or help would be appreciated. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: mrmoe Date: 08 Nov 07 - 12:28 AM a dual processor G-4 here..... |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 08 Nov 07 - 12:50 AM To tread, once again, over old ground; Like many I learned to program Fortran in the days of punch cards and batch processing and fiddled with various electronics projects where you constructed your own "computer" but the first "serious" computer I could be bothered buying (around 1979?) was a Kaypro transportable (think sewing machines) using CP/M as its OS (later 'pinched' by Gates et al. and reissued as Micro$oft's DOS); command-line interaction was 'the go' and, until about 1990 or even a few years later, it would still do 90% of the tasks that 90% of users would want, even if it didn't have a clock, and that suited me just fine. But I had to teach for a living and Apple IIe boxes were 'the go', especially because they had an OS called ProDos (also later pinched by Gates et al. to use as a name for a later version of their DOS) which supported a primitive but effective combination of word-processing, spreadsheets and databases called AppleWorks; there were better solo programs elsewhere but AppleWorks was great for beginners. Of course, if you wanted to fiddle with music files, nothing then could touch Atari. And then came Macs. The characters who liked fiddling with carburettors and tweaking strange knobs hated them because you had to obey Mac rules when writing code for them, unlike the users of Intel and Atari boxes who could get into the innards and root around. Trouble was, they all came up with their own (and very different) implementations of what each thought was "the very best way of doing stuff." At the school I taught at 70 students from Year 7 to Year 12, with cleverness ratings from "well below average" to "extremely bright" started the day with nothing but ideas, an Apple IIe and two Mac Plus machines; by the day's end there were 70 copies of a 70-page publication of sophisticated graphics, articles and crossword puzzles to take home. Everyone had had to have a go at the keyboards and mice and you couldn't do that with any other machines (at the same prices) at the time. In the late 80s, if I wanted to teach Farmer Bloggs how to start from scratch with a computer, use it to do simple word processing, spreadsheets and databases on any Intel machine I'd have to teach the commands for four different sets of operations as each application had its own specific ones, different from each other and different from the OS. On a Mac I could do it all in less than an hour. Thankfully, both religions have pinched ideas from each other, although Mac users would probably argue the traffic was rather 'one way'. Many people forget that, while Micro$oft sold the "best" spreadsheet of the time specifically for the Mac (Multiplan) their wordprocessors were nowhere near the best on either OS; they used their Multiplan profits to develop Word and later upgraded their spreadsheet to Excel. But now, both systems are functionally equivalent and, with the exception of some specialist applications you can do most things equally well on either OS. But, for 90% of things for 90% of the people, they're easier on the Mac. I use both at work and so own both (not the newest of either but they'll do) and my extremely well-informed techo mates describe me as a MacVolvo driver (a serious canard in Oz); one day I'll learn Unix, use it to drive the Mac (OSX is based on Unix anyway) and claim bragging rights as a seriously competent computer user. In the meantime I'll do what sensible people do; use the tools at hand to do the job required. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: astro Date: 08 Nov 07 - 02:04 AM I have used both flavors (Mac and PC) and prefer Mac. Scientific computing using Macs current OS is well supported through the gnu project and Unix. There is a command line in the current Macs - just bring up a terminal and there it is - if you know Unix. There are many sites where freeware is available. If I have a beef with Apple, it is that in the current machines they may have underpowered it and therefore they occasionally have problems with popping the capacitors in the power supplies which can fry the motherboard. It happened to mine, sent it back, Apple replaced everything excluding the hard drives and its been up and fine since (BTW, without charge). I don't like many of the current PC brands. The machines are cranky and are not easy to use. Their processors are based on old designs and need upgrading. But, computer use and preferences are based on experience and what you are used to. So you will see loyalty to both, sometimes with great zeal! Good computin...! Astro |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Andrez Date: 08 Nov 07 - 03:43 AM cptsnapper, I assume you meant the mac version of the digital tradition? If thats correct then all I did was to click on the link and the files started to download. I am using the same Mac OS version as you and Safari as the browser. Would you like to be a little more explicit in describing what is happening when you try to download the file? Cheers Andrez |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: John MacKenzie Date: 08 Nov 07 - 04:22 AM I told you you'd struggle TRUBRIT! I hate the damn MAC things. Don't tell me they are less prone to virus attacks, they get them too, just not so many. An ordinary PC with full Norton anti virus, and using Firefox and Thunderbird is fairly virus and spam free as far as I'm concerned. You also get your pick of applications too. G. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Jack Campin Date: 08 Nov 07 - 04:59 AM Why did the original poster ask? I can think of one good reason you'd want to know. The major advantage the disk version of Digitrad has over the web one is the search facilities. These are already built in to the Mac OS (and have been for many years) so they make the whole idea of distributing a separate piece of executable code like AskSam completely pointless. A Mac version of the Digitrad should be much easier to revise and release; it's the limitations of the PC platform that are holding up the whole development cycle. If there are a significant number of Mac-based Digitrad users they should get priority in the way the project goes since it's so much easier to support that platform. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: john f weldon Date: 08 Nov 07 - 05:08 AM I try to live a Microsoft-free existence. In my former workplace there were about an equal number of Macs and PCs. The computer guys spent all their time helping the PC people, because they had all the problems. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Nov 07 - 06:06 AM me sandra (happy iMac user) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: mattkeen Date: 08 Nov 07 - 06:06 AM MacBookPro here |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 08 Nov 07 - 06:37 AM First complaint. The print in the teeny little manual is so sall I'm having trouble reading it, How do I transfer documents and photos from the PC to the Mac? What about other files? I'll be going from MS Works to iWorks for documents and spreadsheets. Then, I have bunches of photos and projects saved to assorted programs. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 08 Nov 07 - 11:25 AM Don't tell me they are less prone to virus attacks, they get them too, just not so many. An ordinary PC with full Norton anti virus, and using Firefox and Thunderbird is fairly virus and spam free as far as I'm concerned. You also get your pick of applications too. For one thing, Jock-me-boy, "not so many" is what is meant by "less prone". No machine is prone to virus attacks in the absence of externally transmitted viruses! :D For another thing, there are only very few specialized apps that run only on Intel and do not have a comparable app in the OS X/Unix world. For a 3rd thing, a modern Mac can fire up Windows and run it at speeds as good or better than native and thus run any Windows app you want, quickly and reliably. Janie: Get a USB flash drive, or an external hard drive, or burn to a CD the documents and photos you want to transfer. I am not sure about the MSWorks files, presumably they are basically text files and should open without difficulty in iWorks. Put all your stuff on the CD/flash drive and then plug it into the Mac. It should show up just fine. I would create a desktop folder called Transfers, drag them all into it, and then sort into your file structure as suits your needs. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 08 Nov 07 - 11:45 AM " An ordinary PC with full Norton anti virus, and using Firefox and Thunderbird is fairly virus and spam free as far as I'm concerned." How true that statement is. Besides speed ... what can justify a Mac and it's considerable high price over a PC? biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: M.Ted Date: 08 Nov 07 - 01:11 PM You made impulse purchase, biLL,--always a bad thing when you're making a major purchase, because you have to live with it for a long time (though with computers, it isn't that long)-- Given that, when buy a quality item of any sort, whether it's a Mac or a Calvin Klein sports coat, or a Martin guitar, you pay the higher price, and it hurts a day or a week, or however long it is til the AmEx bill comes due--after that, you just reap the benefits of the superior quality. Buy the cheaper item, and you have to live with the cut corners and lower standards. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz Date: 08 Nov 07 - 01:20 PM About two years ago, I was a Newbie with computers. My friends up the street owned a computer company and they would generously let me go over to use their machines; PC's and a MacBook Pro. This gave me the opportunity to learn and it was way better than going to the local library, where you only got 1 hour to use the computers, signing in and all that. And so, I watched them service their clients, both individuals and companies. Virus, spyware protection, service contracts, etc. etc. They knew I was a musician and wanted to build my own project studio and so they were willing to build a machine for me for low money, and I was just about to go for it when a seminar was being given at a local music store. The Tech Team from Pro Tools in Chicago was in town demo-ing the latest software. As the room filled up with studio owners and session players, I was pondering the benefits of PC vs Mac as I had spent a considerable amount of time researching both, but had yet to make a final decision. After introducing himself, the speaker from Pro Tools asked one simple question. "Is anybody here using a PC?" The whole room broke out in laughter. He then said, "O.K., now we can go on..." THAT WAS IT! Decision made for me... I respect PC's and the people who use them. But if you want to spend your time CREATING, get a Mac. Expensive? It's all relative. My computer has a built-in RECORDING STUDIO w/ GarageBand. And, I can work with photos and video, all there for me. Security? Virus Protection? Got it. Macs more expensive than PC's?, not really... So get that PC at low bucks, and then spend all kinds of money & time on playing games, spyware, virus protection, and service calls if you want. I'd rather spend the time working on my music and recording, hassle free...Time is money. The Mac & OS X has set me free to get my music on an album and into the stores. Amazon.com, iTunes, Rhapsody, Napster, eMusic, Virgin Digital, GroupieTunes, Zune, etc. etc. And, the rest of my time I spend in promotion. Macs expensive? All depends on how you count... bob |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: dick greenhaus Date: 08 Nov 07 - 02:03 PM Re the Digital Tradition and Macs Frankly, the antique search function using the DOS version of the DT is vastly superior to either the MAC or Windows versions (which are essentially the same, both having been programmed by a MAC programmer.) We're getting close to a totally platform-independent edition that should represent a considerable improvement in search power over the previous MAC or Windows versions, and will (hopefully) continue to work even after the blankety-blank manufacturers come out with "improved" operating systems. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 08 Nov 07 - 04:49 PM Before I decided on the iMac, the young man and I sat down and factored in the cost of a monitor, antivirus, and some other software I would have had to buy for the PC, and the price ended up being comparable. A little less for the Mac, actually, because the iWorks software was less expensive than MSWorks or Office. And I also bought the extended warranty. (I never do that, but have had problems caused by dust and humidity with other 'puters in my very old, un-airconditioned house, and the Best Buy warranty covers those problems.) I will probably increase the RAM or add an external hard drive in a month or two because of the photographs, so the cost will go up bit more. I will also say it is the first time I have ever gotten really good service at Best Buy. The kid was actually fairly knowledgable. It apparently helps if you announce immediately "I intend to leave here tonight with a computer." Messed around a little with Garage Band last night. Very easy to use compared to Audacity. The sound of the air flowing through the heat vent certainly lent a "homey" sound to the recording:^) Thanks Amos. That sounds easy enough! Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Dan Keding Date: 08 Nov 07 - 05:12 PM I just got a new I Mac and love it. Bought it through the university and got a great price and a free Canon printer. It has a big 24" screen and all the bells and whistles I'll ever need. I had an old seven year old I Mac and this one is like going from a horse and cart to a race car. Dan Keding |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,squeezyhel Date: 08 Nov 07 - 05:16 PM Macbook... macs are so pretty and practical..why would anyone want to use a pc?? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Frank Lee Date: 08 Nov 07 - 07:40 PM I use both iMac and PC at home. I know nothing about either, and don't push them hard, but at, say, £20 per hour, the cost of wasted time while the PC was down and awaiting attention would have bought three of these aluminium and glass iMacs by now. I've disconnected the PC from the internet and it's now relatively little trouble, but the iMacs (I'm on my second) have never needed a call-out. F |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Nov 07 - 07:52 PM Macbook... macs are so pretty and practical..why would anyone want to use a pc?? They (at least the PCs I buy) are cheap, reliable, do what I want and offer me a good choice of hardware (including the maker of PC, motherboard, etc.). While I would quite like an older (pre OS/X) Mac to play with as an item of personal interest/curiosity, etc. from my personal perspective and usage, I fear that with the Mac, I would be making hardware commitments as well as at least potential (not sure how it works with Macs but I know my preferred Linux will run) software commitments I don't want to make. In a sense, going for a Mac instead of a PC would seem to be going against my sort of "personal bid for computer freedom". That aside, I can imagine a new Mac being a good choice for others. ---- good news re the Dt, Dick --- Oh and on Price, Janie, I suppose it's what your into /can/are prepared to work out how to do, etc. but my way suits me. Price wise, I suppose these days I'd spend about £200 on a PC base unit. Last one (as I wanted an extra one in the living room for mythtv - record and distribute tv to other PCs in the house) was a "barebones" - £129+Vat for a 64bit AMD2 3800 system with 1GB ram. Just had to add hard disk and (existing) DVD drive. (Oh plus I added 2 tv cards, one a dual tuner so I can record 3 programs at the same time on that box - that did bump my costs for that box up a bit). Software costs for entire project £0. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: RTim Date: 08 Nov 07 - 08:01 PM Having been once upon a time an IBM man (for work if that is - all we were allowed to use) - Now being a Mac user, they are wonderful!!! No real hassles. Tim Radford ps - Is that Frank Lee the great, great Sword Musician? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 08 Nov 07 - 08:08 PM Hmmmmm. Well, anyway for me I still think the HP notebook PC was the best purchase ... for me anyway. BTW, I think it could match the Mac in the quality department (components, chassis and shell). Both platforms have been manufactured at various sites across the orient. But the Mac (as mentioned) certainly beats it in looks. As for processing ... all I use it for is mainly photo work (quite a lot of foto work) and some recording. Niether are for business means ... which means speed is not of the essential. As I previously stated, I feel the quality of output from my PC is equal to the Mac. Tools I use are Photoshop, Picassa2 for photowork and Record Producer for recording. As I also mentioned, the PC has come a long way in the last year or two in the way of sound processing, graphics and video. Up until recently the Mac would have been the route to go in regards to those 3 categories. Mac advertising as of late has been impressive. In fact this is what made me almost consider purchasing one. But, underneath it all it is advertising, some validity to it, some not. Take what you want out of it. As for virus protection ... Giok pretty well explains it it all. Janie ... your point I can agree with (very good it is) ... if I had to purchase the complete suite of MS works/office I might have reconsidered. Overall ... I respect and appreciate each ones opinion ... I'm a Red Sox fan, some are Yankee fans. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 08 Nov 07 - 09:38 PM IT's not just the advertising. You get the better, more integrated arvchitecture of a ground-up UNIX-based OS design. You get speed and a fun user interface that makes your work easy. I use a Windows machine at work and I have no beefs with it, but that's largely because we have a five-man full-time IT staff ensuring all the links and connections are maintained. Giok's point is superficial. There are fewer Mac viruses out there AND they are harder to implement. One reason being that most hack-heads grew up tweaking Wintel registries. I haven't had a virus appear once in 20 years of using Macs. But on my Windoes exposures I have several times. Go figger. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 08 Nov 07 - 10:07 PM The Mac is an added member of the 'family.' The Dell E600 I have been using is in the shop because the graphics card went bad. While it is there, the guy is going to 'tune' it up, clean up the registry, etc., and then I'll put it back into service. Time will tell which one I end up using the most. I am hoping it proves more durable than my Dell's have been, and that i don't spend as much time 'errorreporting" to Apple as it seems I have to do to microsoft. I was about ready to make the "error Reporting" box my home page. We have been needing an additional computer, so I decided to give Mac a whirl. I haven't had a lot of time to play with this Mac, but so far I like it. It does seem a bit more intuitive, and I really like that it takes up so little space. It is, however going to take some getting used to. Fortunately, my son's school uses Macs, and so he has been able to show me how to do some stuff.....like how to turn the damned thing off, for instance. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 08 Nov 07 - 10:39 PM Use the "Shut down" from the Apple menu (top left corner of the screen) or hold the "On" button down for 3+ seconds, Janie. And, if you want to use Windoze (installed alongside OSX in Bootcamp mode), when you start up, hold down the Option key (called the Alt key by Windoze users) as soon as you hear the Mac chord; you then are given the choice of operating systems. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 08 Nov 07 - 10:43 PM I haven't had any viruses on on our 2 home pc's for 3 years. The firewall and virus programs I use are both freeware. We use Mozilla firefox exclusively and have no issues regarding 'freeze up's" or whatever. In fact no issues regarding any of the software we use. Granted, my line of work is IT related and that helps somewhat, as I do maintain and tweek regularly to ensure everything is fine tuned and working smoothly .. you do have a valid point there Amos ... the Mac is more beneficial for the average non-IT user. As for speed .... how fast do we want to go ?? biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 08 Nov 07 - 10:50 PM The youngin', obviously, has been using a PC at home and the Macs at school. He generally prefers the Mac, but not strongly. Regarding advertising, I haven't had a TV hooked up to anything but a VCR or DVD for more than 30 years, and the radio dial stays on NPR. I'm not exposed to much advertising. (Some thread drift - about the only time I see television is when I go see my parents, three or four times a year. At their house, it is ALL TELEVISION, ALL THE TIME. I often find myself agape at both the products and contents of the ads. They strike me as really quite bizarre. I am also stunned that one can have 50 channels and most of the time, find nothing worth watching.) My interest in the Mac stemmed from a combination of word of mouth and my son's liking them. As far as computers and technology go, I have no interest or understanding at all about how they work or why they work. I am interested in them only as tools. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 08 Nov 07 - 11:01 PM "I am interested in them only as tools." You hit it right on there in that statement janie .... the bottom line is what tool you find more comfortable in delivering the result you are looking for. I do find these comments interesting and informative. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 08 Nov 07 - 11:02 PM The old battle cry for Mac users was "would you rather be working on your computer, or using your computer to do work?" I think that is less true now -- the Windows environment has caught up with the basics of the Mac circa 1994. But I am still strongly inclined toward OS X. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 09 Nov 07 - 12:36 AM Mac user since 1994. Used DOS before that. I use keyboard commands by preference and there is very little software for the Mac that doesn't support them fully. Even Word, which is pretty grim as software goes, supports customized keyboard commands. In addition, I have no use for mice and had a 4 button trackball for even my first Mac, in 1994. Although I have installed RAM and hard drives in my Macs at one or another time, I can't imagine actively wanting to do those types of things instead of processing images or creating art work. Even getting to my end-of-year P&L is as simple on the Mac as it was way back when Intuit ported Quicken to the PC. And I listen to music all day long on my Mac - listening to Travelling Folk right now, in fact. Apple is not going out of business at this point. Its stock is in excellent condition, its primary product (the iPod) has no competition and a good profit margin, Jobs got into the hand-held multipurpose computing device with extreme finesse well ahead of the rest of the market, and with the transition to the Intel chip, more and more people are figuring out that they don't have to be stuck with a PC and all its malware 100% of their computer using life. Macs are competitive in price to PCs and their value holds for many years, they don't require continual anti-malware maintenance yet which makes them considerably safer for the ever-widening group of users who will always only use computers by rote. Currently I'm using a Titanium Powerbook (G4) which is 8 years old, still runs the most current version of the Mac OS, has built-in wireless and microphone and drives an external keyboard, external monitor, external hard drive and burns DVDs. It was an off-the-shelf product when it was first manufactured, did not require any upgrading except of RAM, and has a resale value of $600 at present. I have never had my browser hijacked by a porn site, receive very little spam and spend no time dealing with computer diseases. I do not have to hunt around in My Computer for my camera's flash cards when I insert them into my card reader, and can control what my computer does with other media when I insert them. And, if it were my style I could run UNIX on my Mac from its command line interface. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Folkiedave Date: 09 Nov 07 - 02:21 AM I worked in a college that had both including about 500 Macintoshes. I asked the technicians - there was only one possible answer they said - so my latest computer is a MAC notebook. It's magic. Remember the (probably apocryphal) story of the Microsoft executive who said "Windows 95 is equal to MAC 88". |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 10 Nov 07 - 08:48 AM I've just bought a Macbook and partitioned the disc so I have Mac's OSX (Tiger 10.4.10) on one side and Windows XP on the other. I like both of them for different reasons, but would NOT want to totally abandon my PC capabilities: I have about 12 years' worth of work invested in Micro$oftware and though my programmes are compatible there are some differences in the way you use them, and I don't want to change my methods or re-organise everything. I also burn back-up CD-RWs a lot, filling them up bit by bit until they're full, and I find doing it in Windows MUCH easier. There are a few other issues like this, so I wouldn't ever make a total switch. The obvious big advantage is internet security, but I have a question about malware. I realise that viruses for the Mac do exist, but haven't heard much real feedback about protecting yourself from them. I know you can buy anti-virus software but I don't feel like going down that road anymore, and the excellent AVG freeware doesn't run on Macs. (Mailwasher spamzapper doesn't either, alas, even if you want to pay for a pro version - they're not going to support their existing one anymore.) So after a trawl around the net I came up with a free Mac AV download (plus a couple of other useful-sounding sites, clickies below) and my question is simply: Does anyone have any experience of this freeware? How well does it work, and does it cause any annoying glitches. (Having just got away from all that...) Also, does any Mac user here know of anyone who has actually contracted a virus/trojan/worm/whatever? From what I can see of its architecture, it seems fairly difficult to just "catch" - you pretty much have to inject yourself with it. Or am I wrong about this? As a newbie Apple-immigrant, any feedback from anyone will be most gratefully read. Clickies are as follows: (FREE DOWNLOAD) http://www.pure-mac.com/virus.html http://www.macvirus.org http://www.smallblue-greenworld.co.uk/pages/macintosh.html Many thanks, Bonnie PS: One thing I HATE (because I edit music score-writing files a lot) is that the Macbook, in every other respect a gorgeous compact laptop, doesn't have a key for forward-deleting. You have to hold down the Function key (lower left on keyboard) while you press the Backward-delete key (upper right on keyboard) which means using two hands, AAARRRGGGGHH. Even if you have Sticky Keys enabled, it's still a cross-keyboard journey. They could at least couple the Function key with the Tab key or something nearer so you could press both at once. Or else make the manual disc-eject operate by some other means - it uses up a whole full-sized key when it needn't. Grrrrrr... (But, otherwise, purrrrrr...) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,William Pint Date: 10 Nov 07 - 07:10 PM Mac all the way! A MacBook Pro and an iBook G4 -- they're wonderful And if you're a Windows person being envious of a Mac -- just be patient - wait a few years and Windows will come up with another 'fabulous new innovation' that will make it... a lot more like a Mac. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 10 Nov 07 - 07:26 PM Bonnie: LEt me consult with the local Mac Goddess -- to whom I have the pleasure of a marital connection -- and see what the scoop may be on your question. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: sharyn Date: 11 Nov 07 - 12:07 AM I'm using an old iMac Sapphire -- perfect until Earthlink changed their outgoing servers and rendered my browsers (all of them) obsolete -- now I can only receive email -- can't answer it. I am wondering what to buy next -- I know it will be a Mac of some kind (I can't abide PCs with all of their commands and codes -- Macs are more language driven, I think, so people who like English grammar and syntax like them -- you don't have to remember that F10 does this and F 13 does that so you have more brain cells for lyrics and tunes!) Thread creep warning: if y'all know what Mac I should buy next, PM me please. Sharyn |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:39 AM Well, I love the new iMac desktop I have at school, and the laptops are also gorgeous (apart from my niggle about the forward-delete key, not a problem on the desktop models). One thing to consider: They have just changed operating systems from "Tiger" to "Leopard" (still part of the OS X platform) and - as always with anything new - there are still some bugs to be squished out of it. The local puter shop advised me to stay with Tiger and wait until Leopard's teething problems have been sorted, a decision I don't regret. Anyway, you can always upgrade your OS later (something that seems to be hassley/impossible on PC's from what I hear - never tried it). So, my tuppence-worth is: iMac if you want a desktop, MacBook if you want a laptop, and stay with Tiger for the moment. (Nothing like the enthusiasm of a new convert, is there...) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:55 AM Bonnie: She says: "1) No, in 14 years I have never known anyone on an Mac to catch a virus, except an extremely rare (like once ever ten years) Word Macro virus, easily conquered. 2) ClamAV doesn't get updated often enough or cover enough of the territory to matter. Ignore it. 3) if you really want anti-virus software for the Mac, try Virus Barrier from Intego, though I've never heard of anyone every having caught a virus using it (but no one NOT using it has caught a virus either). This is not just me. This is me, as an active member of lists populated by literally thousands of Mac users over more than a decade. 4) As for forward delete, I gather that it doesn't work one-key on a PowerBook, but on my full-size keyboard it has a one-key forward-delete. On my old iBook I have to use Function-Delete. There are a number of keyboard-mapping third-party programs such as iKey and KeyboardMaestro that might solve this for her. But I don't know for sure. That's all." |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,frank lee Date: 11 Nov 07 - 11:22 AM Reply to Tim - off topic! Well, I make rapper swords, and I squeeze what's arguably music from a box, but 'Great'????? -- first I've heard of it, but thanks for the encouragement!!! Frank. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 11 Nov 07 - 11:50 AM I'm finding the learning curve a bit steeper than I had anticipated. Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to upload my Getaway pictures from iPhoto to the Flickr uploader and am pretty darn frustrated. Back to the tutorial *sigh* |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 11 Nov 07 - 02:44 PM Hmmm...had to buy and download a plug-in to do it. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 11 Nov 07 - 03:29 PM Hmmmmmmmm. Interesting. :) biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Crowdercref Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:15 PM As far as I'm aware apart from 'technology demonstrations' of how Macs might be infected, it just hasn't happened - yet! Still, INTEGO VirusBarrier or Norton Antivirus would be prudent. BTW the last MAC 'virus scare' was about an infection that could (theoreticaly ) be spread whilst doing file transfers as part of iChat video conferencing. Not something that happens every day. Off topic - iChat is still my software of choice for videoconferencing. oll an gwella, Crowdercref (PPC 7600 - sound recording, iMac G4 - publishing, iMac Intel - domestic, MacBook Intel - research/library) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:23 PM Janie: See this post on the Getaway thread. Snogs, A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Richard Bridge Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:28 PM 100 |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:30 PM How can you tell so accurately, Richard? :D |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:48 PM The place where I work has a reasonable firewall and provides site-licensed McAfee Viruscan for Mac to Mac users. I haven't heard of any invasions. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Folknacious Date: 11 Nov 07 - 07:11 PM I was at a festival this summer and staying at the same hotel as many of the performers. They had the lobby rigged up as a wireless zone, so every morning it was full of musicians doing their emails, Skype calls etc. Every single one had a Mac laptop, not a PC to be seen. Seems to be the machine of choice among creatives. It's funny reading the early part of this thread from 1999 when everybody was predicting the imminent death of Apple. Now it's just about the most successful and fastest growing individual computer manufacturer out there, according to a newspaper report I read this week. And through computer sales, not simply because of iPods and iPhones. I just bought my mum, aged 85, an entry-level iMac. Some dealers still have stocks of the previous model white 17" ones that were superceded only a couple of months ago, they're a real bargain right now. She's thrilled to bits with it after years of struggling with a PC, Windows, viruses etc. She can't believe how much easier it is to use and how much more reliable it is. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 11 Nov 07 - 08:28 PM I use a Mac and much prefer it, but it does have disadvantages. One is the lack of standard keyboard shortcuts for menu items across apps - on a PC, you can always hold down Alt-F and drop down the File menu, Alt-E for the Edit menu, and so on, and then go on from there to use the functions within that menu. Another is that websites - mainly civil service websites or company websites for things like getting paid for work - often won't work well with Macs, and the people in charge of those functions are usually ordinary people using bought-in programs, and so can't change the programs, even if they should be expected to, which is another question. And printer drivers for Macs are almost universally crap. Unless you buy Apple printers (too expensive), you're stuck with somethng like a HP. On a PC, it will have options like "Print selection"; on a Mac, you can usually only print the whole document or specific pages by number - which, on websites, is a matter of guesswork. Also, printers often won't work with specific programs. I can't print from Adobe Acrobat, for instance; to print a PDF I have to open it in Preview and hope for the best - again, with the very limited driver not helping. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Frank Lee Date: 11 Nov 07 - 08:55 PM I just up-graded to one of the new 'Bang & Olufsen' iMacs and find it wonderful. I know so little about them that I'm not really qualified to find it wonderful, but I do! It's a sad sign of the public's reluctance to adopt Macs that I could find very few outlets here in the far North of England, apart from the usual PC World. When I did locate a small unit on an industrial estate at Consett, the 'Man' was out; he was installing extra memory on an iMac for an 87 year-old in Morpeth, who apparently claims he can't understand how he ever managed without it. My ignorance being profound, and lacking a teenage family to keep resuscitating my PC, the only reason it still exists is that laziness overrides my exasperation, so as yet I've not made the impetuous trip to my workshop for a lump hammer! On second thoughts it'll get a more dignified funeral - a teacher I knew once dropped a cathode ray tube (computer monitor) - his nickname was 'Crater Face'!!!!! Frank |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 11 Nov 07 - 09:44 PM A .mac account might be nice to have, but it would have been good to know up front that iPhoto will not let you upload to anything but .mac. I paid the $24 bucks for another year of the Flickr pro, which had expired since the last time I had uploaded anything, downloaded the Flickr uploader onto this new computer, and then spent an hour and a half trying to figure out why I couldn't get the pics from iPhoto into the uploader. I thought I was doing something wrong that I couldn't get the pictures to transfer from iPhoto to the Flickr uploader, and was wondering why I couldn't locate anything in the tutorials to help me out. Finally went on-line to research and that is when I read, on a non-apple site, that I was going to have to spend another $24 bucks for the plug-in (not an Apple product). Now I'm wondering if other of the MAC programs also limit their functionality outside of an Apple business unless I buy another piece of software or subscribe to .mac. Had I known upfront it was going to cost me $48 bucks to upload 18 pictures, maybe I would have subscribed to .mac to begin with. But I didn't, and iPhoto sure didn't let me know. This kind of thing is simply something that, as a PC user, I was unaware of. I haven't checkout .mac yet - don't know what it does or what it costs. I just know I have been happy with Flickr. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:01 PM Janie: I suggest you use this: http://www.apple.com/startpage/ when you first open your computer. It will keep you informed as to all things Mac...You can try out .mac from there... bob |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:16 PM when I was looking into the Mac ... I was told Picassa2 wasn't compatible with the Mac ...... that iPhoto was pretty good ... well, I wasn't impressed with what I saw in the demo of iPhoto ... actually was rather shocked since I assumed the Mac would deliver a much superior product when it came to 'photo software'. BTW, I use Picassa2 almost exclusively as my photo editor .... more so than PhotoShop. It's a matter of personal preference. I agree Janie ... flickr is pretty good. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:26 PM I should add ... about 2 years ago Picassa2 was (enthusiastically) recommended as a photo editor at the local photo equipment/imaging shop I frequent ... the same place that 2 years later they were trying sell me (and almost did) the Mac. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:54 PM iPhto is not a Phto editor, mate. Use Phtoshop or any number of others for tweaking them. iPhoto is for managing, making slide shows, or photobooks out of. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 11 Nov 07 - 11:02 PM Well Amos ... that's why I wasn't impressed with their idea of a substitute over Picassa2 ... as I mentioned, I use Picassa2 as an editor (more so than PhotoShop these days). I like Picassa2 as an editor. I especially like what it delivers in my photo editing. Picassa 2 is not compatible with the Mac. I don't use Picassa2 as a 'photobook'. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:45 AM Amos thanks so much for all that helpful info - I have just downloaded trial versions of iKey and Keyboard Maestro (haven't tried them yet) but even if they don't solve the forward-delete problem, more keyboard shortcuts are always of interest to me because I'm used to them and have grown rather dependent on them (especially in editing music software where you have to operate a music keyboard at the same time as the QWERTY, and having to stop and mouse things is a real hassle). I tend to have no idea what extras are available for Macs, what's good and what's not, so thanks for the heads-up. It must be great to have your own resident Genius Bar! (Wish they had those here... *sigh*) Does anyone have any experience or feedback about Parallels (sometimes called Parallel Desktop)? It's an independent programme that allows you to switch back and forth between Mac and XP with ease. The way I have to do it now is via reboot, which works fine but is still a time-consuming interruption. I gather that the new OS Leopard has some built-in form of this facility, but Tiger (which I use) doesn't. And I'm finding I really need it: as JTT says, the printer drivers leave a LOT to be desired! This means I have to be able to toggle back & forth between the two OS's because I'm obliged to print in Windows - the Mac side won't do many of the things I need, and it seems to be a driver thing, not a programme thing. (Been to the HP site and downloaded the latest relevant driver, which they still support - but now I don't know what to DO with the damn thing! Have tried dragging it to all the usual haunts, but to no avail, unless there's some basic installation step that I'm missing -?) Anyway, any feedback about Parallels - or whatever else is around - would be of great interest to me. I'm probably always going to need some Microsoft capability: I tend to think of Apple as my new friend and Windows as my old friend (albeit a sometimes dysfunctional relationship, but a relationship none the less). As a user, I actually find XP perfectly easy, clear and friendly. The things I hate about M$ are the same things everyone hates - the juicy come-&-get-it opportunities for every type of hacker, the intrusiveness into your private space, the manipulative market-domination tactics (such as your old applications ceasing to work on their latest OS so you have to upgrade or buy new ones). I paid out good money for Front Page not that long ago, only to find They won't support it anymore - yes, it'll still work, but who wants to invest time & effort in built-in obsolescence? This sort of thing is what makes me distrust them, but for ease and clarity of use their XP is fine. I'm very glad to have bitten into the Apple, but for me it does need to work in harmony with my PC self. Hence my interest in Parallels - Once again, thanks so much! Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Marc Bernier Date: 12 Nov 07 - 09:23 AM I'v been a Mac user for 15 or so years. My wife, a professional librarian and sworn PC user. I don't understand these things first of all, I'm a folk musician anything I plug in worries me. I use the computer to check email read mudcat and write music. Thats right, I write music with dots and lines and everything. I'v been happy with the mac all along but not my wife. We recently needed to by a new computer to replace my 10 or 11 year old blue IMAC, and she convinced me that if we bought a PC she cold help me do bussiness things on it as she understood Windows better than Appleworks. We now own a Dell with Windows Vista for an OS and my music writing program runs like shit. Having called tech support I'm told windows Vista is here and it's so new no ones figured out how to make anything run on it. I'm presently making room in my office to set up my old IMAC so I can write with that. And now I have this not so cheap PC to check email and read mudcat. Macs are better. Though I don't know why. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:07 AM Parallels works very well. There is also an alternative, which BBW uses, but I have forgotten its name. Will advise later. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:24 AM Marc, what music programme are you using? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:03 AM Is it Bootcamp? The alternative to Parallels? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:23 AM No - BootCamp (at least in Tiger: don't know what the story in Leopard is) is the facility that allows the disc partitioning. AND it was only ever beta software in that version - you should read some of the horror stories in the blogs! When it went wrong, it went wrong bigtime. In any case, Apple have now withdrawn the BootCamp download for Tiger (I assume it's attained Alpha status in Leopard). Theoretically the Tiger user can partition the hard drive him/herself (that's what they told me in the shop) but in reality there are no firm instructions and it's not clear at all, and being such a newbie I was worried about screwing something up; and - get this - even the HELPLINE couldn't do it! I finally took the puter back to the shop and got them to partition the HD for me and install the Windows OS. (It means wiping everything on the drive, but at that stage I didn't have anything on there to wipe.) It now works fine, but I find I need faster & more direct switchover, which is what Parallels is supposed to be about - though the paranoid in me is a little worried that access to Windows is also access to their security problems. I only use the internet in Apple (via both Safari and Firefox, who get along beautifully) so am hoping that cyber baddies won't sneak in my Windows somehow. (Like with those macros that can lurk in Word documents - ??) But for Leopard users, I think BootCamp may well be just the thing - |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:38 AM Yeaaaaggghhhhh!! Just as I posted this - using Apple's Safari - Microsoft burst onto my screen and installed an update to my Office programme (which I have a Mac version of). They're after me... they know I'm here... there's no place to hide... ;-} |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:59 AM They know who you are, and they saw what you did. MMWHahahahahha.... For the time being, think I will stick with running two computers. Better to change brain partitions for this technologically challenged ditz. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 12:35 PM Bonnie: I think you can decline the updates from MS, and you can even turn off the automatic check for updates, doing it manually when you feel like it instead. JTT: The issue with almost ALL websites that are Windows-biased is not the Mac, but the browser. Firefox tends to do better in this regard than Safari. For extreme measures I keep a copy of Internet Explorer available, just in case, but hardly ever have to call on it. I believe this traces to the market-grab M$oft built using their proprietary altered Java set instead of the universal Java standard from Sun, but I could be wrong there. But as more and more people discover the delights of the Mac this happens less and less often. And web designed can easily work around this problem and more and more of them take the trouble to do so. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 12 Nov 07 - 01:01 PM Amos, have to disagree - when i have website problems I switch from Firefox (my normal browser) to Safari and then Internet Explorer, but nope, the problems persist. By the way, I wouldn't bother with a .mac account. I had one, which I used for all my work email - then I discovered that I was losing freelance jobs because I wasn't getting mail, randomly. I contacted the .mac support crew and they said this was a known issue, and asked me to tell them when I didn't get a mail. Doh! I told them that I wasn't, unfortunately, telepathic (and if I were, I wouldn't need email anyway), and therefore couldn't tell them if I *hadn't* got a mail, only if I had! They didn't appear able to help, so since the account had cost me something like 130 euro for a year, I let it go. Don't know if they've fixed the problem, but I wouldn't trust .mac mail again. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 07 - 02:15 PM Tiger, Parallels, Bootcamp, Leopard, "proprietary altered Java", safari ..... whew! I thought Macs where supposed to be user friendly, much simpler to use ?!?!?! biLL :) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 07 - 02:22 PM Bootcamp ???? I think I'd stay away from any software with that name regardless if it's a PC, Mac, iSeries or whatever platform one chooses to use. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:01 PM Don't be put off - they're simply names for assorted programmes. Safari's the web browser; Tiger (older) and Leopard (newer) are consecutive versions of the operating system; you're only going to need BootCamp (as in boot-up) and Parallels - which do slightly different things - if you want to run Windows and Mac on the same physical machine. (Don't know what 'proprietary altered Java' is though, having not come across it.) They're no harder to use than any other applications doing the same jobs - BTW, the email programme has the staggeringly outrageous name of "Mail"! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:28 PM The alternative to Parallels is VMware Fusion. It is very similar, and some folks prefer it and some prefer Parallels. BBW says she likes Fusion more, likes the interface better, and believes it uses less system resources. It can be found at Version Tracker, a site you should have bookmarked which keeps you up on versions and capabilities for hundreds of different software packages. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:31 PM Amos, you're a true star! Thanks so much - I'm heading there now... |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Perplexed Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:43 PM If the Mac is so good, why is that nobody running Windows yearns to run Mac applications? This is a genuine question, not an 'anti Mac' sneer |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:29 PM I think it's to do with the I-know-what-I-like/and-I-like-what-I-know syndrome. And Windows users - in the majority by far, worldwide - are simply less exposed to Apple than Apple users are to them. They can quite easily spend their whole computing lives oblivious to the Mac, but it's hard for anyone else to remain oblivious to them. They're everywhere. (I don't mean this as an anti-Microsoft sneer either: I have been for 15 years and still remain a Windows user, and expect to carry on - so I'm one of Them too.) Due to Microsoft's market-dominant position, there's a lot of good software that you simply can't get because it's written for the one customer-spending base that dwarfs all the others put together. And broadband (which speeds download time) plus good AV programmes & patch updates plus a bit of common sense mean that they are (or at least feel) protected. You can use any machine, get any application, walk into any shop, pay less (arguably: though this is changing). Windows is the biggest kid on the block, and IMHO people simply don't tend to think - or even notice - beyond that. They don't feel they have to. This insularity was certainly the case with me. It's a sort of influence (I'm tempted to say brain-wash but that sounds too intentional and also insulting, and I mean neither) by sheer force of majority. It stopped me from seriously searching for alternatives, though I got/get furious at some of the shenanigans MS pulls. AND by the way they have you by the short & curlies if you get too dependent on any of their programmes - which is another reason users don't switch. It becomes self-perpetuating. I am now so glad I ventured into Apple terrain, but in all honesty I would not have if it were not for the safety-net of being able to run dual platforms. My professional work is tied up in my computer as much as in my instrument, and I simply have too much to lose. Also, the music school I teach in has bought an entire stock of new computers - not just for the office staff but an iMac for every teacher as well - and completely ditched their PC system (which tells you something). This gave me unpressured hands-on learning time and I was able to get to know the Mac in a totally relaxed, risk-free way. Most people don't have such a luxury handed to them. Your question is a very good one. I think there's as much psychology in the answer to it as there is technology, perhaps more. For many people - something like 95% of the global market - Apple is simply foreign territory, and it feels like a gamble. There's security (real or imagined) in the familiar and folks like to stick to what they know - even if "what they know" brings them some severe disadvantages. It's the status quo, and we all know how powerful THAT is. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:47 PM Your reasoning was the huge barrier Steve Jobs faced when he came back to Apple. Between completely ground-up overhauling the OS so it has all the benefits of gained wisdom AND the robustness of UNIX, plus the brazen effrontery to show the world what good system design and hardware design look like, he pulled off a miracle that is continuously pumping up Apple's market share. While all this was going on, enough hard work was done in the Windows world to greatly expand their range of applications, but except for a few specialized niches, almost anything is available on OS X that you owuld need in Windows; and if not, as Bonnie says, the Windows environment with Fusion or Parallel is available. Some applications run in this Windows environment faster than they do on a Pentium machine running only Windows. I swear this is true, but I have no idea why, except perhaps for the UNIX architecture. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:55 PM Mac users might enjoy this one I've just seen in a (PC) Linux place. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:15 PM Folks - 5.46% of Mudcat connections are from MACS
ONE - person is using a SUN
Let us try putting it another way
All of these "stats" are available for public view
A snap-shot from 2006 http://www.mudcat.org/stats
http://www.alexa.com/ is another fun place.
Of course your address is logged - and where you came from - (quite a few nudie addicts here come straight to Mudcat from X-sites) and behind the scenes the cookies and PM can be truly entertaining.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:17 PM LOL, Jon!! And then of course there will be the Error Report which you [SEND] [DON'T SEND] before you can get on with anything... |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:18 PM My interest in this thread goes back to my last minute decision not to purchase the Mac over my HP laptop .... granted I agree the Mac is without doubt the better of the 2 ... but, is it worth to me, the xtra $700 (+) over the HP pc which I purchased ... my HP has more than sufficient disk space, the processor delivers more than adequate speed for the purpose I require. The price I find is the clincher, as $700 is no small change. Anyway, I beleive I made the best decision for myself, plus I took the money I saved and put it towards purchasing another quitar .... another Taylor, not a Martin :), but then again I relish that Taylor 'sound' over the Martin. Lets leave this topic for another thread, and another day. Again ... I find this thread interesting and informative ... I enjoy the comments ... maybe when I go to purchase another computer in the future it will probability it will be a Mac ... or who knows, there might be a another platform on the black that maybe will be more innovative, as long as i can run Picassa2 on it. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:20 PM Bonnie pretty well covered it. Read thru the thread and see the number of people who still need a Windows platform because their work systems are all Microsoft. Although I don't have a job that requires intensive use of applications, I have to have Windows to interface with the company server and network from home. Microsoft is all-pervasive. That doesn't mean it is better. If I didn't also have a PC, the Mac would have been a bad choice economically for me because of the additional software I would have had to buy to run Windows. (If I had bought MS Office for Mac, would I need additional software to get on the remote desktop to access the company server?) Maybe I just made a bad choice in deciding to go with iWorks. This is the thing. For a complete non-techie like me, I don't understand, and am just starting to discover, the implications of using a Mac in a PC world. Didn't know what questions to ask. I'm not sorry I bought the Mac. Once I get the hang of it, it is clear that doing personal computing on my personal computer is going to be much easier, and I anticipate many fewer glitches in programs. Not well-equiped to deal with glitches. it is easy to stump this chump. But the interface with the vast internet world of Microsoft driven programs is going to be more complicated, and is going to be financially restrictive for a person with as limited a budget as mine. I'm glad I still have my PC. And I'm glad I bought this Mac. But I'm reminded of when I was a little girl. The trailers for the Disney movies were so fantastic. The actual movies were good, but rarely met the complete expectations I went into them with based on the previews. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:52 PM 9 out of 10 programs are first written for PC
IF - they prove profitable - they are later coded for MAC - and marketed again at a higher price.
Sincerely,
nasty little Trojan has hit the MAC OS-X system. It captures passwords, account numbers, information placed in "boxes" |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:58 PM Whooopppsss!!! Sorry, reference for MAC Trojan
http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/firstlooks/trojanhorse/index.php
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:20 PM Yes. Old news. Do you know what you have to DO to actually become infected? "A disk image will then start downloading, and (depending on the settings on your machine) may then mount and launch an installer which asks for your admin password. Rule #1: Do not install software from untrusted sources, especially if that software comes as an installer package and requests your administrator's password! However, if you do proceed to run the installer..." In other words, you have to activate it yourself. A trojan that rings the doorbell and asks you if it can come in. And please note the use of the word "may". Meaning, only if your machine settings allow it in the first place. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:53 PM We are talking MAC people... mp
Hear Bonnie?
MAC the same sort that prefer the tastless cheese with tubular pasta from a box....because you just need to boil water.
Sincerely,
I know, I know, I know....you lye somewhere over |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:56 PM No, we're talking operating systems and programmes. Or at least, we were. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:56 PM Boy long thread. Now about how to get your images to Flickr from iPhoto. Here's how you do it: Transfer all the pics you took from the camera to iPhoto. Holding down the Apple key click on each photo you want to upload to the web site where you store them. Click on the Share menu and choose Export, at the bottom. Click on the Scale Images no larger than button. Input 432 in the width space (72 dpi by 6") Click on the Use Filename button. Click on Desktop when the directory opens. Click on the New Folder button at the bottom on the Left of the directory. Call the new folder whatever you like. Click on OK and Create and wait for iPhoto to export the adjusted images to the folder you made on the Desktop. Upload the images to your website by whatever method they offer from the folder on the Desktop. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:57 PM Mac users don't get viruses yet. The scare last week turned out to require you to install the trojan in order to be infected by it. It was from a porn site, hoping to lasso in those dumb enough to fall for it. There have been many attempts and they've thus far all failed. Interesting. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:03 PM Virus Software: Recently on the Mac list, because of the trojan scare, we have discussed this to death. As usual, Norton was widely decried. It's been that way for 10 years now at least. So stay away from Norton. You don't need to run anti-virus software on the Mac, not even to protect PC users. But you do have to be smart about Word, because you can pass on macro viruses. However, if you work somewhere that insists you use something, use Intego. You don't yet need it, it's not expected to be necessary for quite a while still, but anyway. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:10 PM Now about using iPhoto as an editor: iPhoto is amazingly powerful as a basic editor. It permits you to crop, to adjust contrast and brightness, and to adjust curves and levels. Now I'm a professional photographer and I don't use iPhoto for anything. But there is no need for Photoshop for the average point and shooter as long as they learn to use the features under the "Edit" button and then learn to use Export. And being able to create albums and run slideshows from them by dragging and dropping the images from your library onto your album is pretty simple. It's even quite neat to discover that you can open your Screensaver and Desktop Control Panel and select one of your iPhoto albums to run as your screensaver. Now I'm not talking professional users here. Just your average person who cuts off a bit of the top of the grandma's head during the Christmas visit. iPhoto is pretty intuitive for that type of picture taker. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: ragdall Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:11 PM I use Macs at work sometimes (teaching on call in computer classes). I love the new ones, mostly because they are new and look so cool. The old I-Macs are a nuisance. I spend most of my class time restarting machines which have "frozen" while students are using them. I switched from Mac to PC at home when I bought a new computer in 1996 because the software I wanted to use to interact with people on the internet was not avaliable for Macs and because the software that was available for Macs cost three times as much as it would for a PC. rags |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Nov 07 - 05:38 AM > You do have to be smart about Word, because you can pass on macro viruses This Word macro thing has been worrying me but I don't know what I need to do to protect against it. In Word's Preferences I don't see any facility for turning off or barring macros. The only option I can find is for it to give/not give you a prior warning menu. If you opt for it, you then have the choice whether to open the document with or without its macros. But - I presume - even opening it without macros means they're still there. Two questions: If a Maccie opens a document that contains a mal macro, what does it do to their computer and email? What to do if you're sending Word docs on as an attachment to PC users? The only thing I can think of is to open it without macros, then copy/paste the text into a new Word doc? Or won't that work? I want to "be smart" about using Word but I don't know how! There's also a Nasty that lurks in .jpg images - or doesn't that apply here? Thanks for your helpful input - |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Marc Bernier Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:18 AM Bonnie, you asked earlier what music program I was useing. I write music with MusicTime Deluxe, a GVOX product. I'v ben useing various editions of musictime since '94or'95 always on a mac untill now. It runs on the PC, just not well. They'r tech support says there's nothing that can be done at the moment. they are in the process of trying to bring the program up to Vista operating standards. All I know is it always worked fine on my Mac. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:22 AM Elfcape .... The editing features on iPhoto must be a new feature added since June .... if I recall there were no editing features ... regarding anything like colour, contrast, sharpness. Or if there was it was totally insignificant. I would have thought Mac would deliver a pretty superior photo editing application with their software. MS Vista also has that screen saver feature ... it also displays a mini slideshow (if you so wish) on a panel on your desktop ... along with local weather, news bulletins etc. ..... that was one of the sales promotion features of the Mac at the time .... in fact Vista is evolving into a Mac. No need to goto Bootcamp soon ... you'll will get all the benefits of a Mac on MS PC :) biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:56 AM Vista is starting from a serious handicap of bloated complexity beyond reason, which will make it hard to migrate toward Machood! The Word macro virus is defeated by declining to enable macros in a document you have received from anywhere else, and in my experience, anyway, it is very rare to even see it. Word asks about enabling macros on opening a doc which contains them. MS also has a remedy for it, or used to; I haven't looked into it for several years, since before OS X. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 13 Nov 07 - 11:14 AM "Vista is starting from a serious handicap of bloated complexity beyond reason, which will make it hard to migrate toward Machood!" I can't help but agree to that (well articulated) statement of yours Amos. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 13 Nov 07 - 03:31 PM i can never understand the passionate way people go on about computers. They're only fancy typewriters crossed with TVs and telephones, folks! If you like a Mac, use a Mac; if you prefer a PC, use a PC! It's not a religion! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 13 Nov 07 - 03:54 PM JTT, ever since the first computers were small and cheap enough to fit on one's desk the potential and actual owners of hardware and software have argued the merits of their own choice and decried that of others; proselytisation was rife before the Mac appeared and just got more intense once it did. If you like a Mac, use a Mac; if you prefer a PC, use a PC! It's not a religion! For many, it really is, but there are some cooler heads on this thread and quite a few who've taken the 'tools for the tasks' approach implicit in your post and dealt with both systems. The bits of this thread I find really interesting are the snippets of detail about how users have resolved the problems that have been identified. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 13 Nov 07 - 04:34 PM Well, ya know, JTT, an opposable thumb is just a tool, also, with a few wires and hinges and a couple of levers in it. But I do get attached to mine. The reason computers get personalized is because they gradually get involved in being your tool of representation to the world, especially the cyber world with its milions of unseen identities. Like the Mudcat. You want a tool that will be sturdy and reflect your wishes, just as a good sword, sharp spear, and agile battle-horse once did. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Nov 07 - 04:55 PM It works in the other direction too, i.e. inwards as well as outwards. I'm continually amazed at how astonishingly vulnerable I am where my computer is concerned. Because - like most people - I place so much of myself in it (artistic creations, practical earning work, vital communication with people I care about, and connections that would otherwise be lost over time & distance) it becomes in a sense an extension of my mind. And if its contents are violated or - God forbid - lost, I would feel diminished in a very real way. I'm not on a soapbox about the superiority of one system over another, but using (in my case) the two of them in constructive harmony is of great concern to me. Hence the emotion behind the technology. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 14 Nov 07 - 12:35 AM iPhoto edit button? No, it's been there for more than a year at least. I remember discovering it last Christmas to show a friend how to improve her pix. How old is the iPhoto you're using, guest number 6? I've never bought iWork so my version of iPhoto is still the free one that came with OS X.4. That's been around more than a year now, so the Edit button has been around more than a year at least. Under the Edit button is one labelled Adjust. That's where the higher level controls are. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 14 Nov 07 - 06:54 AM Just a quick heads-up to anyone who may not already know about this (Janie, ya out there?): If you want a good word processor for your Mac but don't feel like stumping up for MS Word (part of the Office Suite, which means you are also stumping up for Excell, Entourage, Power Point and a bunch of other stuff you may not need) there's an excellent FREE download called NeoOffice which I have just installed. It's very friendly and intuitive, uses all the fonts you have in your Fontbook, and is compatible with Word so the layout & menus are all familiar. Another thing I like about it concerns that worrisome macro risk. While Word simply offers you a yes-no option via a warning menu, this allows four different security levels in which the highest will disable macros automatically unless the source is one you trust and have specifically listed in a "safe" menu - which means you can't accidentally let them slip through. I'm delighted with NeoOffice, though make sure to read all the information on their website because it's still being developed (by unpaid volunteers) so there may be a few bugs. They continually offer downloadable upgrade patches, and after you've installed it, they direct you to go back to the site and then get the patch. (Make sure NeoOffice is closed when you install this.) There's an alternative called "Open Office" but it seems more complicated and appears to require an additional download (something called XII), and at least one blog said that it ran much better on Windows than Mac, so I opted for Neo. OO hangs out at www.openoffice.org. Clicky: http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 14 Nov 07 - 09:56 AM Pages, an Apple product, is also easily exportable to Word or RTF files, and won't even notice a Word macro. Seriously, though, I have not seen hide nor hair of the Word macro virus in years, so I am not sure how big a worry it is. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 14 Nov 07 - 10:39 AM Seems Linux is catching on in some areas. $200 for a new PC equipped to do most peoples' office tasks, web browsing and more. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 14 Nov 07 - 11:08 AM Thanks for that link Jon ... very interesting indeed. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 14 Nov 07 - 12:51 PM Glad it was of interest, Number6. I'll be interested to see how it goes longer term. I do believe that entry level machines are more capable than a number of people seem to realise, that software such as Open Office works well and would suit most needs, and that a destkop Linux with something like KDE or Gnome is as easy to use as Winwows (in fact, my parents who are in their 70s and not particularly computer literate (but OK as users) had no problems when I switched them from Win 2000 to Opensuse/KDE) etc. but I still have doubts. Other hardware may be a problem for some. Linux gets better and most devices we have work straight off but still I would check on compatibility before purchase, perhaps take an extra step like compiling a kernel module (not as frightening as it might sound btw) to get something to work as well as taking time searching "how tos". I think a lot can be done but I'm not sure this market would contain many people who would take those sort of steps. Of course, I guess if sales of these computers at Walmart continue to be successful and the system itself proves good, maybe more manufactures would be keen to support Linux - from my outlook, it's a hope anyway. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 14 Nov 07 - 10:32 PM Help! I have just repeatedly tried to make a link in another thread. Went to the website, highlighted the URL, rightclicked, chose copy. Went to thread and linkmaker. Right clicked. The paste option is inactive. did it repeatedly. No joy. Would occasionally run into this with the PC. (probably something I was doing wrong, but neverfigured it out there either.) When that would happen, i would minimize the browser window with Mudcat, click IE on the desktop and open it in another window, go to the website, copy, maximize the browser with Mudcat open, and paste to the linkmaker. But I can't seem to get Safari to open a second browser window to try this. When I minimize Mudcat to return to the desktop and click Safari, nothing happens. Maybe I don't know what to quiery, but Safari help didn't turn up any answers or clues either. One option when I right clicked to copy the URL was make a link. I clicked that. But had no idea what, if anything, to do from that point. 2nd, perhaps related, issue. I was trying to link to a podcast. At some point, I inadvertently opened the podcast and it started playing again, thru iTunes. I couldn't get it turned off. I closed the link and closed itunes, but the podcast continued. I finally reopened iTunes, moved the slider to the end of the podcast, and then closed iTunes again. (Did that in the middle of typing this post - it was driving me nuts.) I am not stupid, but in spite of trying, I seem to be in a permanent state of cluelessness when it comes to anything computer. It ain't the Mac. It is me. But I am stumped. (And this is, I am sure, some simple idiocy I am doing.) *sob* Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 15 Nov 07 - 01:24 AM Janie, In Safari's File menu (across the top of the Mac screen, select New Window (Cmd N) and you should get a second (3rd, 4th...) window opening on whatever your home page is set at; I've currently got four open and earlier today I had about eight. They'll all be listed under Window in the same menu bar and clicking on any one will bring it to the front. Putting the cursor on the little square in the bottom right hand corner of any window on the Mac allows you to resize that window with a click&drag. This all works on a one-button Mac mouse; the right click is only "useful" for Windoze applications. I hope this helps. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 15 Nov 07 - 01:34 AM Thanks Rowan. Now I know how to open new browser windows. The paste button still remains inactive when I try to copy and paste urls to the linkmaker on mudcat, even when I am moving between different browser windows. Any clue as to what I am doing wrong? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 15 Nov 07 - 01:52 AM I suppose, because of my starting on 'command line' OSs I keep using keyboard commands where those who started on GUIs might routinely use their mouse. If I'm cutting, it's Cmd X, copying, it's Cmd C and pasting, it's Cmd V. Mudcat's linkmaker has a pair of 'text window bars'; one for the URL and one for the text. When you've copied either and want to paste it into its respective text window bar, you have to 'activate the text window bar before you can paste. Put the cursor in the bar and just click the mouse; the bar will indicate that it's receptive by surrounding the bar with the same faint blue line as around the box into which you post thread messages. The Cmd V and you're away. Is that the question you wanted answered? Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 15 Nov 07 - 07:48 AM *blush* I'm embarrassed to confess I was forgetting to activate the dialogue pox before trying to paste. Forgetting over, and over, and over again. There are some things good technology an design can't fix! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:10 PM to activate the dialogue pox Love it! Don't worry Janie, we all do it; forget technology, that is. My excuse is "senior moments". Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:13 PM Sounds like you'd already been bit by the dialogue pox. You should know this comes from engaging in unprotected dialogue. You should make a list of all those you have dialogued with and perhaps give each of them a wee phone call. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 17 Nov 07 - 07:25 PM Wall Street Journal has elected to provide previous "subscriber only" material for free.
Walter S. Mossberg writes a column "Personal Technology", they published his Here's a Mac FAQ If You're Looking To Buy a Computer on Thursday, November 15, 2007, p B-1.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119508572403993424.html
Sincerely,
(He admits (like me) his bias upfront (PC) however, this article is aimed at average users like those on Mudcat....and he gives some pretty compelling reasons why they SHOULD purchase a MAC.) ENJOY |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 17 Nov 07 - 10:35 PM Thanks Garg. It seems I should be able to open Word docs., in iWorks Pages. So...another question from the techo-impaired: I went the website of my church this morning to check on the readings for tomorrow. (I'm the reader for one of the services tomorrow.) I left clicked on the link to open the schedule matrix. The download window opened. I left clicked the .doc file for the matrix in the download window and nothing happened. (deja vu, still having trouble retaining the differences between Windows and Mac when it comes to right, left, and double clicking.) I right clicked, and when the dialog box opened, I clicked 'open'. I guess I thought the Mac would magically do what was needed to open the ms word document in the iWorks 'Pages.' Instead, a download window opened for Word test drive for Mac., which I did (download, I mean.) Then I realized it was a 30 day trial for Word for Mac and an 'invitation" to buy Word and/or Office for Mac at the end of thirty days. Not knowing how else to access the matrix I needed, I went ahead and downloaded the 30 day trial version of Word. Right clicked again on the document, selected open, and it opened in the trial version of Word. I can not discern what I should/could have done to have opened the linked matrix document in Pages. At this point in time, I don't want to use MSWord, etc. I want to be able to download and open these files using iWorks. Where did I go wrong? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 17 Nov 07 - 11:00 PM Well, one alternative would have been to save the Word file to your Desktop, and then open Pages and tell it to open the Word file. Or drag the file icon onto the Pages icon on your Dock (if it is there) which amounts to the same thing. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 17 Nov 07 - 11:32 PM That worked. Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 18 Nov 07 - 04:16 AM Thanks for the link, Garg. Good stuff. Re one of the points Mossberg makes: "All Macs come with at least one gigabyte of memory... If you can, get two gigabytes. Apple charges a lot for extra memory, but you can buy it for less at stores and online providers." I read somewhere in my recent trawling through the discussions on the Apple forum (someone correct me if I'm remembering this wrong - the original source is some web page I saw days ago so I can't check it) that if you want to upgrade your memory to 2gb, you ought to get two memory sticks of 1 gig each, not one memory stick of 2 gig. This is apparently to do with the fact that you shouldn't leave any empty memory slots. As the 1-gig Macs are structured to take two - presumably - 512mb sticks rather than a single 1gb one, it means having to buy TWO new sticks, not just an additional one, which is something of a bummer. But if you want a VM programme, as I do, there seems no choice. Mossberg's suggestion of buying them from an online source seems a good one - or is this one of those beware-budget-quality situations? Anybody feel like editing a Mac Permathread? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Andrez Date: 18 Nov 07 - 06:43 AM Re the Mossberg article. Its not the Mac that cant run Outlook, its something Microsoft did to stop Entourage (as the Office email client) from being compatible with Outlook .pst files. Microsoft Outlook 2001 that ran under the old Mac OS9 works perfectly fine as a mail client in an Outlook environment. I tested this by plugging my PowerBook into an NT/2000 network (I had admin privileges and the IT Managers approval) and actually using it as a working Outlook client. The thing about the RAM sticks needing to be balanced in the two slots has not been an issue with the newer DDR and later faster RAM types. I have a 512Mb and a 1 Gb ram module installed with no problems whatsoever. My suggestion is that the user forums at MacFixit offer much more to new and experienced Mac Users alike and are much more informative than articles like Mossbergs. The link is: http://www.macfixit.com/index.php and then either look at the articles or find the links for the forums and dive in. Cheers, Andrez |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 18 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM Another tip for Janie, when trying to open files on Macs with no separated left & right buttons on mice; Single clicking works on hyperlinks while double clicking is required for files and aliases ("Shortcuts" on Windoze). Trying to open a file when not in an application will usually open the file unless something doesn't get recognised as a file of a particular type. Macs will then usually give a dialogue box asking you to choose an application. I've not used iWorks but I suspect it is capable of opening most file types When you're in iWorks and wish to open a Word (or other) file from within the iWorks application, Cmd O should give you a series of option similar to the dialogue box method mentioned above. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Andrez Date: 18 Nov 07 - 08:47 PM I'd be interested in "sharing" the role of editing a Mac permathread if there are any other takers? Cheers, Andrez |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 19 Nov 07 - 06:09 AM I'm not exactly sure what editing a permathread involves! I've waded around in the site's assorted info pages but couldn't find anything hard and fast about the amount of work it requires, though I may be missing the obvious. In case others are wondering the same, I've PM'd Joe Offer to either give me an info link I can share here, or to please post it himself. OR - if anyone out there knows of one - ?? I think it would be a very useful thing to have, if the logistics can be worked out. Anyone else feel the same? |
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