Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 May 10 - 12:32 PM

Ruth[Jo Crump]is it necessary to be SO rude

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 May 10 - 12:50 PM

"ever-fragile ego"

Haven't read the book, and thanks to CI's absence of ability to endure general criticism, I won't be.

Joan, do you ever get off wading in on your favoured artists behalf!
*Please* don't PM me again btw.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:00 PM

HA! Oh Crowsister, you slay me. I can just imagine the moral outrage if a similar slanging fest took place over, say, the various youtube performances posted by the Mudcat inner circle. But of course, you can't ever speak out for your friends if they happen to have a public profile.

Rude? Oh, not nearly so rude as some people here have been in this thread - and some of them without even first having the courtesy to read anything Colin's written. Of course, some think he was writing in the 60s, so have obviously confused him with someone else, but that's not going t stop them calling him a wanker anyway. But hey - it's all good fun, right? And he published a book, so like any other professional who puts themselves out there, he deserves whatever festering turd of an excuse for criticism any passing Mudcatter feels like lobbing at him, right?


I love Mudcat: lack of knowledge/understanding/information will never keep some people from having an opinion, nor in fact from expressing it. You've got to laugh. :)

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:01 PM

"Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,leeneia - PM
Date: 26 May 10 - 09:27 AM

Savaged? Sir, you are being mocked, criticized and wondered about, but not savaged. Get a grip."

Amen Leeneia, it concerns me that there are vocal efforts to stem free discussion about music and literature here. Maybe artists get offended, maybe those who know and /or hire them get offended on their behalf, but basically I see that as a problem that comes with the territory of putting on your sparkles and saying to the world: "let me entertain you"

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:09 PM

JC: "lack of knowledge/understanding/information will never keep some people from having an opinion, nor in fact from expressing it."

Yes, Mudcat is definitely a case of folk against fascism if I ever saw it.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:14 PM

joanne crump,why cant music critics br criticised for their work, the same as everybody else?
and I do not have an axe to grind,Colin has never publicly reviewed any of my recordings.
J Crump,you are fairly transparent,and some of us have seen through you.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:17 PM

"the various youtube performances posted by the Mudcat inner circle."

Let us know what you think Joan, I'm sure we'd all like to have your professional critique.. YouTube is after all a completely *democratic* site where ANYONE can make their feelings known. Go for it!

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:44 PM

I have neither the time nor the inclination, to be honest. But if there WAS a Mudcat thread specifically dedicated to slagging off, say, your Myspace page, what do you reckon your friends would do? Ignore it? Reckon that you deserved whatever nastiness came your way because you'd put yourself out there? Or come to your defense?

What if the criticism extended beyond your singing and, say, had a dig at what your relationship must be like due to the lyrics of one of your songs? Is that all fair too, because you've put yourself out there by puting your singing on a Myspace page? Is that the same as putting on your sparkles and saying to the world "let me entertain you"?

I didn't actually post to this thread until people who hadn't even read the bloody book decided they were going to wade in regardless, making idiotic judgements based on what others had said. Only in Mudcatland could this be defensible; but apparently if you've had the temerity to get paid for writing a book, you're fair game. Even for people who haven't even bothered to read it.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:52 PM

J Crump,
if you have the temerity to record or write anything you get criticised,why should Colin be exempt,other than he is a friend of yours.
it has nothing to do with mudcat,people get criticised on Froots,Concertina net,Chiff and Fipple the Session or any other internet forum.
J Crump, I am sure Colin is happy about the publicity his book is getting

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:52 PM

"Only in Mudcatland could this be defensible; but apparently if you've had the temerity to get paid for writing a book, you're fair game. Even for people who haven't even bothered to read it."

Yes, amazingly - on a public discussion board anyone (even cretins without 'how to be a wine snob' diploma can post their shameful "opinions" ye gods...

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:59 PM

...and presumably, it is also permissable in such a context for others on that messageboard to say that anyone who slags off a book they haven't even bothered to read (or a song they haven't heard or a wine they haven't tasted - take your choice), and makes faux-profound judgements about its contents and its author based on hearsay and speculation, is a bloody moron.

Thank you and good night.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 26 May 10 - 02:29 PM

I think "ever-fragile ego" was a bit of irony, not evidence of a sense of humour bypass ....? Clearly wasted on some posters, as was the irony in Colin's book. FWIW I enjoyed reading it.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 May 10 - 02:37 PM

"I think "ever-fragile ego" was a bit of irony, not evidence of a sense of humour bypass

Yeh..

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 May 10 - 02:40 PM

Oh, ffs!

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,Continuity Jones
Date: 26 May 10 - 02:50 PM

With the exception of Dick Miles, Colin Irwin's detractors seem more concerned with the act of detracting and picking old / new wounds than anything else.

As Woody Guthrie famously said "You can lead a horse to water but you can't stop the ship of fools arguing it's a cow"

At least read the book!

Right, I'm off to slag off Jamie Oliver on a chef's message board. I don't know much about Jamie Oliver so I consider myself uniquely qualified.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 10 - 03:51 PM

Ruth,[AKA MrsDerek];MrsDerek; Ruth[Jo Crump]; J Crump; joanne crump:

I suppose by using a variety of names to describe a fellow poster on the messageboard there is a point to it, especially since none of these are correct; but for the life of me I can't see what it is.

Would you are to explain Dick?

And to me, a regular follower of newspapers. "Journalist Gets Facts Wrong" is not really news.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,Folkiedave
Date: 26 May 10 - 04:00 PM

Ruth,[AKA MrsDerek];MrsDerek; Ruth[Jo Crump]; J Crump; joanne crump:

I suppose by using a variety of names to describe a fellow poster on the messageboard there is a point to it, especially since none of these are correct; but for the life of me I can't see what it is.

Would you are to explain Dick?

And to me, a regular follower of newspapers. "Journalist Gets Facts Wrong" is not really news.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 May 10 - 05:01 PM

so, is she not Ruth Archer?is she not J Crump?
the point is that one is her mudcat moniker,and one of the others is her real name.and your name is DaveEyre

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,Folkiedave
Date: 26 May 10 - 05:32 PM

No Dick my name is not DaveEyre - it is Dave Eyre.

She signs in as Ruth Archer. Not as MrsDerek, which is not her name and she is not married as far as I know but if she was and she missed off her husband's surname it would be Mrs. Derek. She is not Joanne Crump either.

From a man complaining about the accuracy of a book you have written twaddle. So nothing new there.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 May 10 - 05:57 PM

I have written Twaddle? so her moniker is not Ruth Archer? and her name is not J Crump?, this is reminiscent of Alice in Wonderland., are you the Mad Hatter

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,Mad Jack Wooley's Dog Captain
Date: 26 May 10 - 07:23 PM

Loving this... keep it up. Woof!

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: Folknacious
Date: 26 May 10 - 07:48 PM

Many of you are completely bonkers, you know **

f.w.i.w. I enjoyed both Irwin's book, the Irish one more than the English one one, but it probably helped that I read them before forming that opinion. Here's my secret though: it was perfectly obvious to me that they weren't supposed to be serious.

So why wasn't it obvious to Dick Miles? Surely his views weren't coloured by his vendetta against a certain magazine for which Irwin's the main folk writer?

Cue illiterate, poorly typed rebuttal . . .

(** that's an opinion, not fact, of course - I know some of you have trouble tellling the difference. I blame the medication.)

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 26 May 10 - 11:32 PM

I have Colin's book on my shelf and will one day get around to reading it whatever people may think. I have read Last Night's Fun and thought it was wonderful and would recommend it to anyone. Don't know enough about Golding to comment.

Why is it that so often when looking through Mudcat posts I am reminded of Monty Python's re-enactment of the Battle of Pearl Harbor?

David E.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 May 10 - 06:35 AM

Folknacious,whether it is serious or not, is not the point,it is [imo]a bit boring , and on occasions irritating.
I must say I was surprised to be in agreement with Geoff Wallis.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,Guest Kevin B
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 03:27 PM

Just finished in search of the craic. Chapter 1 was a bit touch and go for me, taught it was goin to be english paddy bashing but that was finished as quick as it started. The rest of the book i taught was fantastic and a great music reference too. the description of Christys earlier gigs were bang on the money, and the storys throughout the book i taught were grea tto read. Tommy peoples and Athenry got a laugh from me anyway. Its tongue in cheek stuff really with some great knowledge of Irish music thrown in, not exactly Ulyses....much better read than that.

Subject: RE: Book: In search of the craic by Colin Irwin
From: GUEST,Sylvester
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:31 PM

i taught i tore a paddy cat