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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Wm Date: 15 Feb 18 - 04:11 PM And hence the large number of ballads offered here. For instance the ballad, 'The Bonny Bunch of Roses-O', we are given a graphic account of an interview with the author by Henry Mayhew in one of his London Labour books. I'd be really interested in reading this. Can you point me to the citation? Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Bobbie Hanvey Date: 15 Feb 18 - 03:19 PM I recorded folksinger Tony Mc Auley singing The Enterprise of London Town many years ago and can’t find the tape. First two lines of the song are, ‘The Enterprise of London Town it was that good ship’s name She was loaded with gold and with indigo and from Peru she came.... Maybe the song has a different title. Tried to find it on line. No luck |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Steve Gardham Date: 16 Aug 17 - 03:36 PM Even a large number of folk songs that don't mention London were very likely written there, even moreso the further back you go. That's where the majority of printers lived and thus where the ballad writers also lived. The ones we actually know the names of actually all operated in London. And hence the large number of ballads offered here. For instance the ballad, 'The Bonny Bunch of Roses-O', we are given a graphic account of an interview with the author by Henry Mayhew in one of his London Labour books. |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Jack Campin Date: 16 Aug 17 - 12:06 PM I'd like the WORDS for "Buggering Oates, Prepare Thy Neck". All I can trace is part of one verse. Anybody got a singably complete version? |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 12 Sep 11 - 08:47 AM been a while .came across this one in a book of midlands songs lord marlborough |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 03 May 11 - 06:13 AM rolling up rolling down the river (tilbury) |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 18 Apr 11 - 02:00 PM the press gang as sung by ewan maccoll |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 13 Apr 11 - 04:23 PM the oak and the ash |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 13 Apr 11 - 11:54 AM the london merchant bedlam boys |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: The Sandman Date: 11 Apr 11 - 11:34 AM It is probable that the "Eagle" mentioned in the song's third verse refers to The Eagle freehold pub at the corner of Shepherdess Walk and City Road mentioned in the same verse. I disagree that it first appeared in America can you back up this with substantiated fact this is my opinion This song can only be traced back to the mid-nineteenth century, when a music sheet acquired by the British Library in 1853 described a dance, 'Pop! Goes the Weasel', which was, according to the music sheet, 'An Old English Dance, as performed at Her Majesty's & The Nobilities Balls, with the Original Music'. It had a tune very similar to that used today and only the words "Pop! Goes the Weasle".[1] There is evidence that several people tried to add lyrics to the popular tune. The following verse had been written by 1856 when it was quoted in a performance at the Theatre Royal: Up and down the City Road In and out the Eagle That's the way the money goes Pop! goes the weasel. |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Jack Campin Date: 11 Apr 11 - 08:41 AM Despite the urban legends about it, I don't think there's any evidence to link "Pop Goes the Weasel" to London. It first appeared in America in the mid-19th century. The Opies' "Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes" doesn't mention it. |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 11 Apr 11 - 08:00 AM three jolly sneaksmen? does any one know of another version other than martin carthys? |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: The Sandman Date: 10 Apr 11 - 01:11 PM pop goes the weasle, tottie poem . |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Manitas_at_home Date: 10 Apr 11 - 11:41 AM http://www.thetraditionbearers.co.uk/htmfiles/welcome.htm |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 10 Apr 11 - 08:38 AM getting quite a collection but many suggestions lead to more questions than answers 1.are there any versions of artichokes and cauliflowers other than by john kirkpatick and lass of london city by nic jones and ploughboy and the cockney by tim hart 2 any info on the london prentice/apprentice or rag fair 3 any cds by terry yarnell thanks in advance |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Jack Campin Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:29 PM All the tunes for the old London broadsides are right here on Mudcat, in the ABCs on Bruce Olson's archived site. You can convert them using the resources on http://abcnotation.com . Here is an example search for one of the most famous of all London broadside tunes: http://abcnotation.com/searchTunes?q=packington&f=c&o=a&s=0 That search has found three different versions of Packington's Pound, all from Bruce Olson's work. One the one screen you get staff notation and playable MIDIs for all three. It's a very elegant user interface. |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:24 PM the london prentice care of islingtonfolk club |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: ChrisJBrady Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:48 AM Also try listening to http://www.mediafire.com/?5puqedg9m9nevx6 |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 04 Apr 11 - 04:19 AM thanks to all contributions. there was a gap between my original thread and my recent addition. in the meantime the wonders of youtube have meant i have versions of 1.the old miser 2the oyster girl 3london waterman (but with complaetely different lyrics to the bellamy version in mudcat) 4.bedlam boys from the contributions made some are obviously more helpful than others. i no longer have a record player so all references to song on lp's is redundant for me i suppose the best reference is anything that can be accessed via the net.youtube is superb in this respect |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: ChrisJBrady Date: 04 Apr 11 - 04:02 AM But what do you mean by 'London' folk songs? Songs about London written by folks living there or by outsiders, e.g. Sweet Thames? Or do you mean general songs written by Londoners (or those living in this great city), including Cockney songs such as Lambeth Walk, or impromptu sing-a-long songs from pubs which could be of WW1 / WW2 songs such as "Show me the Way to go Home" (such sessions now extinct due to the draconian licensing restrictions making same illegal)? |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: ChrisJBrady Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:37 PM Let's Have Another One at 'The Queen Victoria' – a typical sing-song at a London local, c1970 LP, BBC Radio Enterprises RED 31M. This is a nice example of the LP Let's Have Another One at 'The Queen Victoria' – a typical sing-song at a London local, which contains over 50 minutes of 'sing-song' that was recorded at the Queen Victoria pub, Southwark Park Road, London SE16, some time around the late 1960s. It was released on the BBC Radio Enterprises label in around 1970 – RED 31M. The record is in EX condition. The cover also grades as EX. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/London-Pub-Queen-Victoria-1960s-Sing-song-LP-BBC-RED31M-/270725909610 |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: ChrisJBrady Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:53 PM URGENTLY see: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/London-Pub-Queen-Victoria-1960s-Sing-song-LP-BBC-RED31M-/270725909610 |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:49 PM first sparrow of marble arch |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:46 PM bailiffs daughter iof islington |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:34 PM the grey cock |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Manitas_at_home Date: 01 Apr 11 - 11:37 AM Bedlam was the Bethleham Hospital formerly on the present site of Liverpool Street Station (no change there!). Maudlin or Maudsley was the female counterpart named after Mary Magdalen. The two were eventually merged and moved out to the countryside (Walworth) in the building that now houses the Imperial War Museum (no change there!). |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Jim Carroll Date: 01 Apr 11 - 08:32 AM Two excellent early Folkways albums by Ewan MacColl, Broadside Ballads London 1600-1700 I know Terry Yarnell has been planning to publish a collection of London songs for some years now. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,mattkeen Date: 01 Apr 11 - 08:21 AM Laurel Swift (Morris Offspring and often does workshops for EFDSS)did a London song and tune performance at Loughborough Festival a couple of years ago. She might be worth contacting? |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Kildare Date: 31 Mar 11 - 05:19 PM Streets of London by Raif McTell Baker Street by Ged Rafferty Euston Road Runs by Kings Cross Station London Is The Place To Be by Mighty Sparrow Our House by Madness Old Main Drag by Pogue Mahone |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: JohnH Date: 31 Mar 11 - 04:58 PM Critics Group L.P. "A Merry Progress To London" and the follow-up "Sweet Thames Flow Softly" The first old and the second new. Don't know about current availability. "Pills To Purge Melancholy" and "The Universal Songster..." have several. Both are available in pdf on-line. |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Dave Sutherland Date: 31 Mar 11 - 04:55 PM There are two Critics Group albums out there "A Merry Progress to London" and "Sweet Thames Flow Softly" that are worth tracking down, However how does Lord Bateman get in there; all the action takes place between Turkey and Northumberland? |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: ElunedAgain Date: 31 Mar 11 - 04:29 PM I don't suppose Bedlam was anywhere in/near London? That would give you "Tom o' Bedlam". |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 31 Mar 11 - 03:13 PM Oranges and lemons London Bridge is Falling Down |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Jack Campin Date: 31 Mar 11 - 02:28 PM Just one of the broadsides Simpson lists: "Buggering Oates, Prepare Thy Neck". Gotta go for a title like that - and it's about an issue that's still with us: Titus Oates was one of the first people in British history to whip up a panic about terrorism. 17th century England saw through it a lot quicker than folks in the 21st century have done - Oates got prison and the pillory. |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Herga Kitty Date: 31 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM London River by Rod Shearman as well as your number 6 (Sweet Thames flow softly by Ewan McColl). Kitty |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 31 Mar 11 - 01:02 PM bailiffs daughter of islington |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Jack Campin Date: 31 Mar 11 - 08:11 AM Get hold of Simpson's "The British Broadside Ballad and its Music" - there are references to thousands of London-related songs there. |
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Subject: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 31 Mar 11 - 07:01 AM i cant find a previous thread about london folk songs. in my search i've found another 'the grey cock' this can be added to 1vilikins and his dinah 2blow the candles out 3ratcatchers daughter 4lord lovel 5ratcliff highway 6sweet thames 7fair maid of islington 8pretty polly perkins 10 atichokes and cauliflowers 11 rosemary lane 13polly oliver 14ploughboy and the cockney 15 hopping down in kent 16lord bateman 17sam/jack hall 18 lock hospital i'd be very grateful for any more suggestions |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 29 Sep 10 - 08:09 AM thanks brian .found a version by bruce michael baillie on youtube |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Brian May Date: 29 Sep 10 - 07:38 AM "She fell in love with a Portuguese" - as sung by Derek Brimstone is set in the smoke too. It's also in English, most London songs now will be in 'anything but' I would imagine . . . |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 29 Sep 10 - 04:44 AM just like to say thanks to everyone who contributed especially pavane.i've got about 15 that i;ve started to play and sing and thats great |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: pavane Date: 28 Sep 10 - 04:51 AM Even Carthy has recorded "Your Baby has gorn dahn the plug 'ole " |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Bert Date: 27 Sep 10 - 06:53 PM A lot of Music Hall songs are still sung at parties by Londoners which kinda makes them folk. While London Sleeps Nice quiet day Burlington Bertie Silk Hat Tony Never let yer Donah go upon the Stage Big thick Fog in London Baby has gorn dahn the plug 'ole |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Sep 10 - 12:19 PM To stretch the folk genre a little in another direction, there's Kipling's Road to Manadaley: ...Tho' l walks with fifty 'ousemaids outer Chelsea to the Strand An' they talks a lot o' lovin', but wot do they understand?... |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST,Gealt Date: 26 Sep 10 - 05:58 PM I did a Google search for Colyn Davies's LP:- Tradition Records Colyn Davies: Cockney Music Hall Songs & Recitations 1956 - TLP 1017 LP image Side One They're Moving Father's Grave [1] The Cruel Gamekeeper The Poor Young Man The Captain's Apprentice The Wind was Weirdly Howling The hog's-eye man Villikins and his Dinah Side Two Botany Bay The Poor Young Girl Georgie Barnville The Pig and the Inebriate Blow the Candles Out Tim Turpin Jack Hall |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 10 - 02:18 PM found a version of the beggar by martin carthy.will put the words on the broadside provided by pavane |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 10 - 10:06 AM thanks oldhippy unabnle to find a referebnce to it in google |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: oldhippie Date: 26 Sep 10 - 09:39 AM "Loneliness of London" (John Pittman), recorded by Phyllis Morrissey. |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: Rafflesbear Date: 26 Sep 10 - 08:26 AM The Loss of the Princess Alice Tale of a shipwreck near Woolwich, SE London |
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Subject: RE: london folk songs From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 10 - 08:00 AM thanks banjovey.googled richards and stubbs and certainly anything thay sang from london would be of interest.would be difficult to hear this particular song |
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