Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 06:13 AM

>>A Justin Bieber wouldn't have lasted a minute in those days because there were so many other REAL talents getting exposure in the major venues<<

Oh yes he would ~ &, of course, did. I remember the period perfectly well, & there were plenty of Bieber-analogues popping up & lasting for their brief fad and then vanishing ~~ just as he will. The only reason AC hasn't found any of them is because they are as forgotten as JB is going to be when his 9-days-wonderdom is over.


It's the *innocence* of this thread, rather than its irrelevance to folk, that bugs me. This recurrent phenomenon just isn't worth all this agonising.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 08:25 AM

I think you're dead right about that, Michael. There were always such ephemeral stars around, and they rise and then vanish like bubbles on the water.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: GUEST,josep
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 10:37 AM

I hereby end this thread. It wasn't really meant to be serious. Of course, they saw my name on it and immediately went for blood and blew it completely out of proportion. It's not worth the lecturing and the complaining that has resulted. I'm sorry I upset your little worlds. As I said before, go home. Nothing to see here. Thread is over. Thanks.

PS To Genie--I never said Elvis stole anyone's music but, as a typical mudcat poster who has probably been here too long, you read it wrong and then went off half-cocked over nothing. Not that that will help to point it out, it will just make you worse.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 01:00 PM

Aww, c'mon! ;-) We're having fun here, Josep...don't you realize that this is how we amuse ourselves?

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 02:22 PM

they saw my name on it and immediately went for blood

They must think you're very important..

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Tootler
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 04:54 PM

As far as talent goes from a group who gets NO commercial airplay,
..and have been No.1, Billboard magazine for over two years at the time!

Over arranged commercial pap, masquerading as folk. I will agree the girls can sing, though.

Young talent?
Spits in the milk of Justin Bieber

Yuk! Talent? In her own way just as bad as Justin Bieber.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: jeffp
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 05:56 PM

A beaver in the Bronx river was named Justin Beaver after a poll. You can't make this stuff up.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Artful Codger
Date: 02 Oct 10 - 06:17 PM

I see that MtheGM has (as usual) chosen to dismiss the entirety of my post by dragging one line out of context. Yes, there have always been one-hit wonders and music publishers overhyping people of marginal talent. But their ability to hype has never been so extensive, nor has the public's taste been so narrowly focused. If what you say was true, the recycled radio shows would reflect it, and they don't (nor do my parents, who were also "there", agree with you). By and large, the people who got consistent air play were people of real talent, who had to work hard mastering their craft to get the privilege. Granted, a lot of the songs were hack and the arrangements often laughably over-the-top or incongruous, but the singing was masterful, even when cheesy. And of course, not every gifted person got the air play they might have deserved. But the public wasn't SO subjected to whatever no-talents the corporations chose to foist on it, nor was the musical vista so narrow in scope. Bieberism on this scale is indeed a modern development, even if it has always been practiced in some limited form.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 03:13 AM

The plea that a remark has been 'taken out of context' always strikes me as something of a facile get-out when one is disagreed with. It was the climax and gravamen of your argument as I perceived your post, ArtfulCodger ~ the idea that previous generations would never have tolerated even the existence of the likes of Bieber [Oh, come on!] ~ and so that was the one I hi-lited to respond to.

If the 50s, during which I did my National Service, attended university, started work, changed jobs and entered teaching career, and got married, were 'before your time', you 'hasten to add', then your parents were not there in the sense that I was in the period under discussion ~~ they are clearly much younger than me, a whole generation after mine at least, it would appear [I am 78]. And I reiterate that I never recall a time when there was not 'bieberism'. In fact I don't think there has even been one. Little Hawk appears to agree with me, note.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 04:32 AM

I think there always been a fair bit of Bieberism (AAARGGH! What a vile-sounding term)...it's the price we pay for harbouring the profit motive in regards to art and entertainment...and that leads to all kinds of horrible travesties.

However, I think we are deluged in more of it these days due to the preponderance of broadcast media, namely TV. I adroitly avoid all of it by not watching TV or listening to the radio. ;-) I basically have not watched TV or listened to radio since around the late 80s, and my life has, I feel, benefited considerably thereby, as it has left me a great deal of time to do far more satisfying and enlightening things, such as reading books, playing music, engaging in hobbies, socializing, etc.

I do, however, admit to wasting a great deal of time on the Internet, so I'm not perfect. ;-) For perfection, we must turn to luminaries such as William Shatner, Winona Ryder, and Chongo Chimp.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 05:01 AM

"the 50s, during which I did my National Service, attended university,"

I'm inclined to trust MtheGM's assessment on this one. I wasn't there but my mother who was, always maintained that the 50's were nauseatingly twee for music. Lots of formulaic 'nice' boys and girls singing bland predictable pop tunes.. (certainly sounds familiar). Luckily for her she had imported Motown to fall back on. She reckoned the 60's were a well needed blast of fresh air and blew all the 50's pap out of the window.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 05:45 AM

LH ~ sorry you don't like my coinage 'Bieberism';would you prefer 'Biebarity', perhaps?

CS ~ the 50s weren't all twee & horrible, mind. I always warmed to Jo Stafford, Guy Mitchell, et al; whereas I have never greatly taken to the 60s ~~ tho I suppose one must admit that that firm of J Lennon & Co [what were they called, now?] had something going for them!

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 08:20 AM

Well, I looked at a bit of one clip and was immediately reminded of the whininess of Donny Osmond's cover of "Puppy Love", although Marie Osmond's "Paper Woses" was infinitely worse. However all of the Osmonds could sing a bit even if I didn't like them.

However, if you want real weak wailing whiney crap you need to re-hear anything by Davy Jones of the Monkees (put into the TV series for his cute face) or indeed anything other than "Let's Dance" by Chris Montez.

Rory Storm couldn't sing to save his life, and Marianne Faithful's attractions were not at the vocal end of her digestive tract.   Matt Monroe (whose work I hated) and Clinton Ford (ditto) could sing the arse off Dickie Valentine or Pat Boone.

Probably the last time the music industry gave a stuff for the musical talents of recording stars was the heyday of the "girl groups" from the race music and early soul days. There are indeed a few women from then some of whom looked like the east end of westbound agricultural impliments who were simply fantastic musicians. That's rare today although both Aquilera and Pink are pretty decent singers.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 10 - 08:52 AM

Great post, Richard. ;-) Indeed, whiny crap has been with us for a very loooooong time.

Michael, I didn't say I didn't LIKE the term "Bieberism". I love it! It's just that it summons up such a vile mental image....but it's perfect for that purpose.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 08:28 AM

I can honestly say I haven't a clue as to who or what he is or think he is. I don't watch television. I don't read People or Us or magazines of that ilk.

He's supposed to sing? Okay. But I've never heard him. Not sure I want to waste the time to find out either. Sometime, I suppose, he'll come across the screen (computer) without me having to make an effort. Then I'll know...and can avoid if that's what needs to be done.

Sorry. I'm totally out of touch with "popular" music. And I don't want to waste the effort caring.

Linn

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 09:50 AM

You are clearly moving up the ladder of enlightenment, Bat Goddess... ;-) (But what a threat to the ruling $ySStem you are! You're paying no attention to their pandemic marketing schemes, and that makes you dangerously subversive.) Welcome to the club!

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 10:01 AM

I have heard the name, of course - actually, I have never heard it, never heard his name spoken - but I have seen the name on news online pages. I have never seen his photo or heard his voice; I just accepted the name as the latest in a long, long string of momentary top-of-the-heap fads, so it doesn't bother me.

I suspect that Guest/Josep has simply become sensitized to Bieber's name/face and now he sees it everywhere. We've all had that experience, no doubt: hear of a brand, a person, an event, a word, for the first time and suddenly it seems it is everywhere.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 11:04 AM

Ah... the decade of the '50s - when will we hear or see its like again!

Yes, there was indeed the tweeness of "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window?" (Pattie Page) and its ilk - anyone remember Pearl Carr & Teddy Johnson, by the way? - but, if you could get to it, there was also the music of Dinah Washington, early Elvis, late Delmore Brothers rockabilly, the last knockings of Django... Kay Starr even. The whole King Records catalogue! Think of that - Tiny Bradshaw, Dave Bartholomew, Wynonie Harris...

All decades produce music from all parts of the spectrum - you just have to decide which colours are yours. What colour is a Bieber, I wonder...

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Mooh
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 12:13 PM

"All decades produce music from all parts of the spectrum - you just have to decide which colours are yours. What colour is a Bieber, I wonder..." (Will Fly)

Agreed. As for the colour of Bieber, whatever it is I hope it's fading fast.

I get almost no requests for JB in my lesson business so he hasn't hit that market in any big way yet. Now, Taylor Swift, that's another story. She's money in the bank. Girls are enrolling like crazy and they all love Swift. She has sold a lot of guitars and bought a lot of lessons and returned a lot of folks back to playing and performing music.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 03:27 PM

Who?

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 03:33 PM

Oh My God! I just googled. The repetitive melody lines, the metronomic over poppy undersnappy snare, the focus on cheekbones - I barf! (That's a reference to a demo of Duffy's called "I melt" - which was also dogshit).

Not a patch on (say) "Mr President".

Or even on "Sounds of the Underground".

When if ever again will women singers be judged on something other than looks?

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 03:34 PM

PS - the only good thing there is to be said about Justin Timberlake is that he really cannot be said to succeed on the basis of looks.

Subject: RE: Stop shoving Justin Bieber down my throat
From: Tootler
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 06:31 PM

They clearly have a Barbie master somewhere which they clone them all from.

When if ever again will women singers be judged on something other than looks?

Or sold on the basis of how much flesh is on display. Celtic woman come out of the same pot.