Subject: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Nov 10 - 03:36 PM
-Joe Offer-
SPANISH CIVIL WAR SONGS Who sings what?
I have begun the lists using songs about which I already have some limited information but would appreciate it if gaps are filled and corrections are pointed out. Please post information about yourself or other performers who sing these songs and I would be grateful if you post the essential information in the style and format which I have used in the lists below because I will then be able to cut and paste rather than retype. The essential information will be harvested from the submitted posts and included in the two lists here at the top of the thread But, please feel free to post other interesting information, comment or chat. I shall leave all the contributing posts in place, un-edited unless they are disruptive or offensive.
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Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 17 Nov 10 - 04:01 PM What's the meaning of the question mark attached to Tom Lehrer in the performer list for Folk Song Army? |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Nov 10 - 05:16 PM I dunno. Don't know what the asterisk means, either. I just copied what Geoff sent me. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 17 Nov 10 - 05:20 PM This is intended to be a list of songs people still perform.Tom Lehrer is still alive but I am not sure whether he would still perform the song.Perhaps someone will say. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 17 Nov 10 - 05:24 PM * indicates that the performer has recorded the song -It says that at the top of the Performer list |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Mark Ross Date: 17 Nov 10 - 05:59 PM Utah recorded EDDIE'S SONG, about Eddie Belchowsky. I know that Rosalie Sorrels has sung it, and so have I. Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 17 Nov 10 - 06:51 PM Thanks for posting Mark I have put your name in the Performer List but will you give some idea of your location and I will put that in.Does Rosalie Sorrels live in the USA |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Phil Edwards Date: 17 Nov 10 - 07:00 PM I don't think Yellow Roses qualifies as a Spanish Civil War song; it was written in the early 1960s by Trevor Peacock & popularised by Adam Faith. The context of the Spanish Civil War has been attached to it retrospectively, but I'm not aware that it was written with that in mind. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 17 Nov 10 - 07:15 PM Yes you are probably right Pip Radish. I have spent a lot of time trying to establish the provenance of the song over on this thread HERE I am hoping for a reply from Trevor Peacock's agent on this. If you are able to add anything conclusive to what we have already established that would be good. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Nov 10 - 07:36 PM Joe/Geoff, the Ron Kavana song is called Maria De La Rosa, not Maria De La Rosas. Cheers! |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 17 Nov 10 - 11:29 PM Geoff, Rosalie Sorrels is from the US (and lives there, as far as I know). Tom Lehrer has not performed regularly in decades. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Mark Ross Date: 18 Nov 10 - 01:21 AM Rosalie Sorrels lives near Boise, Idaho. I live in Eugene, Oregon. Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Nov 10 - 01:50 PM A couple of additions from Mudcatter Ossonflags:
JARAMA VALLEY : Mck Mick McGarry _ Ossonflags JAMIE FOYERS; Mick McGarry - Ossonflags |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Tannywheeler Date: 19 Nov 10 - 12:37 PM An Irish Rugby team I've met (5yrs ago? in a bar in downtown Austin) sings the 1 with the refrain "Venga jaleo, jaleo (something something) y Franco, se va paseo, y Franco se va paseo". They sing it loud, in Spanish, with no slowdowns needed for forgotten words/phrases. But I don't think they recorded it... Tw |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,MC Fat Date: 20 Nov 10 - 06:26 AM I do Jamie Foyers as well with the addition of a refrain at the end to the tune of Over The Hills and Far Away with the lines 'Oer the hills and far away, through Gibralter France and Spain, Our cause commands and we obey, Over the hills and Far Away' and by the way it's Jim McDonald (not Mac), Sheffield, England |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Mike A Date: 22 Nov 10 - 04:02 AM Arthur Johnstone, formerly of The Laggan, still sings on his own/with friends at labour movement events in Scotland, and does the Laggan's excellent version of Jarama. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: mikesamwild Date: 22 Nov 10 - 07:12 AM Nice work Geoff. I just sent you an email with details of a CD being produced by Blantyre Trade Unionists of 8 SCW songs. By the way the Scottish Parliamenet has just acknowledged the 4 brothers from Scotland who fought and one died in Spain. Private Ryan type story , ripe for a song! Next year's Memorial event can't be held in London as the Gardens are being redone so it may be more widely spread. That would be a good place to sing songs by local singers. Also if people want to mount the Antifascistas exhibition from IBMT in their local area it is nice to support it with talks, songs, poems film, drama etc etc. Anyone feel free PM me for contacts, my sisters are on the Committee |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: mikesamwild Date: 24 Nov 10 - 07:49 AM Jim Carroll alerted me to this link!We still need to be vigilant. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/1122/1224283832814.html
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Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Alison Rodgers, Secretary, Rotherham Red Cho Date: 29 Nov 10 - 05:33 PM Rotherham Red Choir, Of Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, sings: Viva la Quince Brigada Jarama Das Einheitsfrontlied Himno de Riego Clem Beckett Bandiera Rossa |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 29 Nov 10 - 06:56 PM Thank you Guest Alison Rodgers, is your Viva La Quince Brigada the Spanish song with the Rumbla Rumbla chorus or the Christy Moore song about the Irish Brigaders? Also is your Clem Beckett song the one written by SUE HAITHWAITE called Just another DirtTrack or the one I wrote with the 'Ride on Clem Beckett' chorus? |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,MC Fat (at work) Date: 30 Nov 10 - 04:56 AM Geoff more likely to be the Roy Blackman song as he is from Rotherham too. Thank you MC Fat I have just found Roy Blackman's site on the web where you can click a tab and see the lyrics for this song. Here is a link to it http://royblackman.moonfruit.com/#/roys-lyrics/4586851326 Geoff Lawes 19/05/2015 |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: mikesamwild Date: 30 Nov 10 - 06:24 AM Ray Hearne of Wath on Dearne sang Jamie Foyers at the Antifascistas exhibition launch in Rotherham this year. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: mikesamwild Date: 06 Dec 10 - 09:06 AM Geoff , have you any link to the guy who did video etc at the Liverpool IBMT AGM? He was from Cleethorpes I believe., Your neck of the woods. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: mikesamwild Date: 07 Dec 10 - 12:16 PM Just sent you a PM Geoff on Bill Feely of St Helens poet and singer and steel ercor after SCW |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Jackie Steiner Date: 08 Jan 11 - 02:24 PM I am surprised not to find two classic Spanish Civil War Songs on your list: Venga Jaleo! and Los Cuatro Generales (famously recorded by Paul Robeson). Venga Jaleo!, f I remember, was derived from an old Andalusian folk song called "Anda Jaleo," collected by Federico Garcia Lorca. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 09 Jan 11 - 12:10 PM Hi Jackie, yes I am also surprised that nobody has posted saying that they sing those two very well known songs. I started the list by using titles and current singers from another SCW thread on Mudcat which can be reached here SONGS IN ENGLISH ABOUT THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR. This why most of the songs above are recently written songs in English. The many famous Spanish and German songs are still sung by some choirs but I think they may not be sung as often as they once were by individual singers? I have heard The Peat Bog Soldiers sung in clubs but nobody has posted as a singer of that song either and it was once strongly associated with the SCW even though it was not about that war. I typed in a few non-English titles above just so that people would appreciate that the foreign language songs were also to be included but there are a great many more of them and there seemed no point in typing them all out before singers post to say that they do actually perform them. Anyway thanks for your post which has put the thread back the "live" section again. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Georgia Wever Date: 18 Jan 11 - 03:13 PM The New York City Labor Chorus. of which I am a member, sings Spanish civil war songs: it sings "Si Me Quieres Escribir"on its CD entitled "Hats off to Labor." We sang that at the memorial for Moe Fishman in November 2008. It sang Spanish Civil War songs with the Cor Corchion in Wales in 2009. In NYC, John Pietaro of The Flames of Discontent has a version of "Viva La Quince Brigade" on his new CD: "The Revenge of the Atom Spies" -- I heard his group perform it at the Brecht Forum in New York City recently. The San Francisco Bay Area Labor Heritage Chorus sings a Spanish Civil War Medley: it is on a CD called "The Great Choral Convergence" recorded 2004 in Washington DC. Si Kahn is a North Carolina based folk musician who has written a song about Clarence Kailin, a Lincoln Brigade volunteer, that I heard him sing at the Tamiment Library in New York City in 2009. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 21 Jan 11 - 10:40 AM Thank you Georgia Wever, I shall post all your new entries in the performer list above as soon as I can. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Ruthee (JONAS) Goldkorn Date: 17 Feb 11 - 03:21 PM To: Mark Ross Dear Mr. Ross, My Dad, Ralph Jonas, was very involved in the art, literary and music scene in Chicago from the late 50's to the early 70's. The likes of Phil Ochs, Hugh Hefner, Bill Cosby and Bob Dylan were a common site with him and even in my house. Eddie Belchowsky was a very important person to my Dad, his second wife Joan, me and my sister. Stories about how Eddie got his arm shot off in the Spanish Civil War and his other exploits are family lore. Eddies' art is exquisite and I have many of his pieces including his hauntingly stunning (if not terrifying when you are a little girl!) self portrait. I am getting an appraisal today, as a matter of fact and wanted to do a search for Eddie and found you. How do you know Eddie's work? I'd love to know if you have any of his peices or any other information about Eddie. For a little girl, he was a kick, I'll tell you that much! I don't know how involved you were or are in the history of the art world in Chicago of that era, but the other artist that was heavily favored by my Dad was Julian Harr. He and Eddie were acquaintences through my Dad. I have 3 of Julian's sculpted pieces. Through his close friend Hugh Schwartzberg, I have a large (it has to be hung with studs through the chimney) Chinese War Horse whose artist signature cannot be discerned. It is made of latex and is 3 dimensional. The circle of friends of my Dad with many, many, many others and Mr. Schwartzberg included Eddie and Julian among others. Thank you and I hope to hear from you. If there is anyone else on this site who has a connection to Eddie, Julian or my Dad, please feel free to respond. Please reply to my e dress knowbarriers@yahoo.com. Sincerely, Ruthee (JONAS) Goldkorn |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 17 Feb 11 - 05:29 PM Hi GUEST,Ruthee (JONAS) Goldkorn, You probably already know all of the information but in case there is something there which you might find informative I am posting a link to the Mudcat thread Songs In English About The Spanish Civil War which has a section of information about Ed Balchowsky and some web links to videos HERE |
Subject: Re: Utah Phillips and Eddie Belchowsky From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Feb 11 - 07:44 PM Ruthee, I hope you're familiar with the Loafer's Glory radio program that Utah Phillips broadcast about ten years ago. The first 38 episodes are available for free download at http://www.thelongmemory.com/. Utah Phillips makes frequent mention of Eddie Belchowsky, and plays many recordings of Eddie's wonderful piano playing and singing. I wish there were an index of the radio program. Right now, they're available only as single-file, one-hour programs, and they're not indexed at all. There are a lot of treasures amongst those programs, but you have to listen to the whole of each program to discover their treasures. I burned them all onto MP3 CDs, and play them on my car stereo. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Tattie Bogle Date: 17 Feb 11 - 08:34 PM Ewan McColl's version of "Jamie Foyers" (based on a much older song, incidentally)gets sung very regularly in sessions in Scotland, and has been recorded by many. I was on a musical trip to Spain in 2009 and suggested we might sing it as being a link between Scotland and Spain, but was advised against by one of our Scottish members, who felt that sensitivities were still such, after all these years, that it might not be a good idea. This probably concurs with the view in the link posted by mikesamwild on 24th Nov last. |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Andymac (at work without cookie) Date: 18 Feb 11 - 10:44 AM I don't see any mention of the song "Hans Beimler" in your list. I got it from Frank Harte after he sang it at a session in Forkhill a few years ago. I may be wrong but I think I have a recording somewhere of Pete Seeger singing it. Just for sake of completeness, if we're not just considering recorded or professional artists, I also sing "Another Valley", Jamie Foyers and Jarama in sessions, and I'm fairly sure I've heard Tattie Bogle do Jamie Foyers on occasion too. Andy |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 20 Feb 11 - 12:57 PM Thank you Andymac and Tattie Boggle, I could put you in the list above with just your Mudcat names but the main idea of the thread is to make people aware of the singers who can and will perform SCW songs in this 75th anniversary year( not just those who have recorded them) so I would prefer your actual name and where you are from if you are willing. I have usually only listed the title of a SCW song if someone says they perform it because, with the great many SCW songs available,it would otherwise take a lot of time which might never produce any benefit. Here is a YouTube Video of the original Ernst Busch version in German of Hans Beimler Does anyone else sing it? |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Andymac Date: 21 Feb 11 - 03:09 AM Geoff, One of my most moving memories was of the ceremony to commemorate the renovation and re-dedication of the statue of La Passionara on the Clyde a few years ago. It was a beautiful cold and clear austere October day and I was privileged to be part of the audience listening to Jack Jones speak of the need to remain vigilant to the horrors of fascism and the pride and dignity of the last 3 remaining Scottish SCW veterans. They've all sadly gone now but the memory of that day burns bright. If I ever get round to finishing it, there'll be another song commemorating that day and the SCW to add to your list soon. Andy McInally |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: MartinRyan Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:52 AM Andymac's mention of Frank Harte singing Hans Beimler reminds me of a late night session at the Inishowen Ballad Seminar some years ago when Frank sang Hans Beimler and was followed by Joe Mulherron singing his own excellent Civil War in Spain and yours truly with Valley of Jarama Regards |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Fred McCormick Date: 26 Feb 11 - 11:38 AM This is a little bit off the main topic of this thread, I think, but significant nonetheless. Tonight (Sat 26th Feb) at 20-00, BBC Radio 4's Archive on 4 series is broadcasting a programme called The Last of the International Brigaders. The title probably says it all, but the programme blurb can be read at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00yw5tv Sorry about the lateness of posting but anyone who can't listen to the live broadcast can find it on Listen Again for the next seven days. Me, I've set the recorder because I'm off to an anti-fascist social with the rest of the Liverpool Socialist singers. Amongst others we'll be singing Woody Guthrie's All You Fascists Bound to Lose. Aren't they just!! |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: Fred McCormick Date: 28 Feb 11 - 12:31 PM revivify |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GUEST,Red Notes Socialist Choir, Bristol Date: 30 Mar 11 - 06:30 PM We sing Valley of Jarama and Viva La Quince Brigada (with rumbala chorus). We also sing Bandiera Rossa (avanti popolo), which I didn't realise was about the SCW as it's in Italian ... http://www.rednoteschoir.org.uk/ |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 31 Mar 11 - 07:41 AM Thank you GUEST,Red Notes Socialist Choir, I have put you in the performers list above. Strictly speaking Bandiera Rossa (avanti popolo), is not a Spanish Civil War song because it predates the SCW and is not about the SCW. However,it is strongly associated with the SCW because it was sung as a marching song by the Garibaldi Brigade of Italian volunteers and it was one of the songs printed in The International Brigades Songbook, Canciones de las Brigadas Internacionales. Here is a link to the Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandiera_Rossa There is also a Mudcat thread about the song with lots of interesting links HERE |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 27 May 11 - 07:11 AM I have received the following information in emails from Annie Banham of the Clarion Choir: Hello Geoff Yes Birmingham clarion Singers have Viva La Quince Brigada in our repertoire. I have copied our conductor into this email, as she may have more information for you. I should also mention that our founder, Dr Colin Bradsworth, brought our choir together following his experiences during the Spanish Civil War. The version of Viva La Quince Brigada we sing is the original spanish version from 1936, but with some variances in the lyrics. For more about our history, visit: www.clarionsingers.org Regards Annie Banham Secretary Birmingham Clarion Singers Thanks Annie |
Subject: RE: Spanish Civil War Songs: Who Sings What? From: GeoffLawes Date: 20 May 12 - 10:08 AM In the latest edition of the Newsletter of the International Brigades Memorial Trust there is news of a new record on which Billy Bragg has recorded Jarama Valley. The Newsletter asks whether this is the first time that the British Batallion's memorial version has been recorded (as opposed to the frequently recorded Lincoln Batallion memorial version and the original ' soldiers' complaint' version written in 1937 by Alec McDade and recently recorded by Billy Stewart in Scotland. It seems very unlikely that there is not an earlier recording of this common version of the song but I do not recall one. Did Arthur Johnstone who is listed above as singing it, also record it? And one of the many political choirs which perform the song has surely recorded it? Does anyone know for certain of a recording? If anyone wants to buy the Billy Bragg recording which also has Maxine Peake reading the farewell address of La Passionaria to the International Brigades, the Cd can be ordered for £5 plus £1.90 p&p ( cheques payable to IBMT) from: IBMT 6 Stonells Road , London SW11 6HQ or pay by credit card or Paypal by ordering on the merchandise page on the IBMT website : http://www.international-brigades.org.uk/ |
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