Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment

Subject: Lyr Add: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: Rozza
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 05:20 AM

Anyone know a song containing the following fragment:

Broken ships will mend again
When they come frae the sea
But broken hearts will never mend again
Ae dree and dree.

My Great Aunt, Jessie Kydd used to sing this but I've never been able to find out where it comes from.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 06:05 AM

This is a slight variation of the song "Lassie Lee yer Milkin Pail"
See John Argo on "Tobar an Dualchais"
Sorry I cannot do the blue link.
Joe.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 06:22 AM

Here's the link.

"Music transcribed in School of Scottish Studies. 3 verses. This is an intriguing fragment of a love song. The song does not appear in any of the standard works, but a version, to a different tune, called 'Glesca Jean' is sung by the group Clutha and recorded on their CD 'On The Braes'."

The song on the Clutha's 2001 album is actually called 'Glesga Jean' with a G, but I can't find any more information about it.

This seems to be related, although the conclusion is different.

Tobar An Dualchais looks like a superb resource, by the way - thanks, GUEST Joe.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 06:32 AM

John Argo has two recordings on the "Tobar an Dualhais" site
One recorded in 1951 "Oh Lassie Leave Your Milking Pail"
do. do.       1960 "Oh The Rose".
I have checked out these two on the site and the verse given above is
not mentioned in either of these two.
I am certain that this verse is part of this song.
Joe.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: Rozza
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 11:29 AM

Thanks
Cetainly the closest I've got yet. The tune is similar to John Argo's. I like the budgie in the background on the Lucy Stewart recording.

Ruairidh

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: BobKnight
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 12:22 PM

More likely to be a canary. Her brother, Big Geordie Stewart from Huntly in Aberdeenshire bred canaries as a hobby. Big Geordie was the man who gave Jimmy McBeath his version of Tramps and Hawkers.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: GUEST,guest gutcher
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 01:30 PM

Rozza---did your great aunt have N.E. Scotland or S.W. Scotland
connections?
Joe.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: Rozza
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 03:15 PM

She was born in Grimsby, Lincolnshire but her parents moved down from Peterhead in the 1870s.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 04:12 PM

I have checked out these two on the site and the verse given above is
not mentioned in either of these two.

No, but it seems close:

A broken rose, a broken rose
Revives again in Spring
A broken heart will mend again
And ne'er be sae well ???
[can't make out the last word, sorry]

The stanza in The Lassie wi the Milking Pail is similar:

The green green grass is fallen down
But it will rise in Spring
A broken heart will mend again
And ne'er be sae well ???
[same problem with the last word]

The "broken ships" and the emphasis on broken hearts not mending seem unique to Ruaridh's great-aunt's version.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: GUEST,guest gutcher
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 04:47 PM

The last phrase in both is----an maybe sae will mine
Joe.

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 06:06 PM

[slaps forehead]

Subject: RE: Lyr req: Unidentified Song Fragment
From: GUEST,guest gutcher
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 09:26 AM

My first reaction would appear to be correct and the verse given is
indeed from the song LLYMP. N.E.Scotland version.
I am reliably informed that this verse has not been collected before and as it comes from a family who moved South in the 1870s this will perhaps be the earliest indication of the age of this song.
Joe.