Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.

Subject: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 05:15 PM

Cornish pasty name given European protected status

The term "Cornish pasty" has been given protected status by the European Commission.

It means that only pasties made in Cornwall from a traditional recipe can now be called "Cornish pasties", the Cornish Pasty Association (CPA) said.

The Protected Geographical Indication (PGI) status means "genuine" Cornish pasties will now be stamped with a special logo.

(There's plenty of folklore about it- any songs?? : )

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 05:22 PM

I penned a poem about it called "Tin-Miners' Lunch" - http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com/#55

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 05:32 PM

I've never been to Cornwall, but I've enjoyed "Cornish pasties" all my life. They are a regional delicacy in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, brought there by miners from Cornwall. Cornish miners also introduced pasties to the mining town of Grass Valley, California. I was born in Michigan, and now live about a half-hour drive from Grass Valley.
One of the few glimpses of heaven I've had in my lifetime happened about three years ago, sitting on a hillside overlooking the Mackinac Bridge in Northern Michigan, eating a pasty and drinking a bottle of beer. Heaven was interrupted when a park ranger came up to chat. I had to hide my beer, because I wasn't sure it was legal to drink there. I don't know if the ranger noticed my beer, but we had a pleasant chat.
I can't guarantee this thread will stay in the music section, Noreen. Better come up with a pasty song quick.
Now, tell me this: what's the plural of "pasty"? And what's the singular of the items that strippers wear to keep themselves from getting arrested in some localities? An old Polish priest I knew, referred to them as "three postage stamps, judiciously placed."
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 05:52 PM

Here ya go - oggies

See greg stephens on

15 April 2002 at 02:17 pm and 18 April 2002 at 01:34 pm.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:31 PM

Maybe this is an opportunity for someone to market a new product - the Corniche Pasty. Any recipe suggestions? A touch of garlic perhaps?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:32 PM

OK Joe... : D

OGGIE MAN
(man who sells pasties...)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:33 PM

Nice one, Topsie!

Would the Corniche Pasty be 'fast food'?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Folkiedave
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:38 PM

Here Joe, Make your own pasties!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:39 PM

In My Boy Billy the farmer's wife 'killed' her husband when she 'poisoned his paaaaastie'.

Are we there yet, Joe? *grin*

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:41 PM

Thanks Dave, I never knew what they were called... don't know any songs about them though, Joe.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: gnomad
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:44 PM

A friend calls them "Stegosaurus Pasties" in reference to their shape. Protected species status has, I fear, come too late for that breed.

When I heard the news I wondered about Cyril's song, which is about pasties in Plymouth (not Cornwall but Devon, so falling foul of the new rule) but the Oggie Man is, of course, "no more" and so is safe from interference.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:49 PM

I imagine they can still sell Oggies in Devon, gnomad :)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 07:01 PM

Don't think I'll be trying to make my own pasties, Dave. I'm a natural kinda guy - I prefer fig leaves.
Cold this time of year, though...

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 07:12 PM

What Cyril Tawney said about the Oggie Man

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Gurney
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 08:49 PM

There seems to be some confusion here between Pay-stees an Past-ees.

I can proudly say that I've never mistaken them for one another.

Oggies and ogle-ees.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Gurney
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 08:50 PM

I wonder when the European Union is going to patent Chedder Cheese.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 09:02 PM

I, too, grew up eating pasties -- I was born in Michigan's Upper Peninsula (populated by the descendants of Cornish miners) of Wisconsin stock. I left Wisconsin when I was 20, gravitated through Massachusetts and Maine, and landed in New Hampshire circa 1980, taking a gustatory enjoyment of pasties with me. When Tom and I had our potluck wedding in 1982, we provided the pasties (which my mother and I made) and the beer (dark) at our "reception".

Dinner well in hand!

Linn

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Bert
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 09:53 PM

Well said Gurney. You are not allowed to make fake Roquefort or Stilton so why does poor old Cheddar get stiffed so much.

If a company in Cheddar was to make a cheese and sell it as Wisconsin cheese then they'd be in trouble. Turn about should be fair play.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 10:45 PM

Whoo, boy. Are the bazaars and sidewalk vendors of the world now going to feature fake Cornish pasties which have been smuggled in from China or Hong Kong?   

Tourists be warned!
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Bat Goddess, your wedding sounds delightful.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 04:28 AM

I wonder when the European Union is going to patent Chedder Cheese.

The name refers to the production process "cheddering" not the place of origin. Wensleydale on the other hand is, I believe, now protected.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 04:34 AM

Oh, there's no confusion at all, Gurney. We're just having fun.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 04:41 AM

Pasties are traditional in Australia too. We had immigrants here too.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: treewind
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 05:04 AM

fake Roquefort or Stilton
Stilton cheese isn't even made in Stilton.
It got its name because it was sold there when the old A1 (Great North Road) went though the village.

Slice of Cropwell Bishop, anyone?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 05:48 AM

Cropwell Bishop? Not to be confused with Stinking Bishop.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: davyr
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 06:04 AM

Didn't the 70s Folk/Rock band "Jack The Lad" play an instrumental medley entitled "A Corny Pastiche"?

If the new legislation stops some of the "rock-hard chunks of pastry with a scrape of something resembling petfood inside" that I've eaten in the past being called Cornish Pasties, it'll be very welcome.

And long overdue.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 06:10 AM

And, of course, Stilton comes from the area around Melton Mowbray...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 06:17 AM

Dave, Cropwell Bishop is a Leicestershire village that makes great Stilton. Colston Bassett is another. :)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 07:10 AM

I like the reply from the spokesperson for Gregg's Bakery when asked what they were going to call theirs now and he/she replied "...probably 'the pastry formerly know as Cornish Pasty'."

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Max Johnson
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 07:39 AM

I've had some utterly disgusting pasties in Cornwall, and the best one I've ever had was in Kirkby Lonsdale( it was even better than one of mine - there, I've said it).

But a Corniche pasty - that's genius!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,HughM
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:00 AM

So the EU now has the power to modify the English language.
   Maybe we should lobby Brussels to stop inhabitants of Cornwall from making Irish stew, Welsh rarebit, Scotch broth, Manchester and Bakewell tarts, Eccles and Chorley cakes, Frankfurters, Cheddar cheese, French dressing etc..

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:22 AM


So the EU now has the power to modify the English language.

Passing a law that says that "Cornish" means "from Cornwall". Definitely not English as she is spoke.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:31 AM

Stilton is protected so when a farm near to where I used to live decided to make an unpasteurised version in their place in North Nottinghamshire, they came across the naming problem.

They found that in Medieval days, Stilton was called Stichleton, so that's what they call their cheese, and bloody fine cheese it is....

Anyway, Cornish pasties are made in my village. By me.   Little ones for when we have parties. if the Eu want to have a pop, first they need to be invited to one of our parties.

Sorted.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 08:54 AM

What's the problem? If they're made in Cornwall then you can call them Cornish pasties otherwise it's just pasties. It's not as if a pastie is going to be confused with any other pie product.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:01 AM

What a lot of stupid fuss! Haven't they got anything better to do?

I've had some lovely cornish pasties that weren't in Cornwall. Best ones I've had so far were at the Filling Station in Sidmouth. We bought a dozen last weekend to bring home. Yum!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:13 AM

HughM, I enjoyed your post.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:23 AM

I first encountered the pasty when I visited Mineral Point, Wisconsin, where Cornish miners settled:

http://mineralpoint.com/history/index.html

I found a recipe, but my reaction was 'What a lot of work just to put a filling on a wheat-based food!' Let's see, you have to:

slow-cook a tough cut of beef and cut it up
clean and boil turnips, cut them up
saute onions
make a cream sauce, mix with the above to make a filling
mix pie crust
assemble all the above and seal against leakage
bake
cool till safe to handle

A housewife can make her husband a sandwich for far less effort.

If anybody knows a way to make pasty (that was the plural in Mineral Point) in fewer steps, let me know.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,Girl Friday
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:35 AM

We will be having Ginsters Cornish Pasties tonight with chips and baked beans. How do you eat yours ?

Regarding Steamin Willie's post about Stilton Cheese. Did you know that it is not made there ? It's originally made in Leicester. God help us if the E U hears about that...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 10:17 AM

Could the OP's message be considered the First Pasty Post?

Valmai (Lewes)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 10:34 AM

"It's originally made in Leicester."

LeicesterSHIRE, actually - as I pointed out earlier.

Cream sauce in a Cornish pasty...?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 10:37 AM

is the term "Kernak Pastie" protected as well?
And what of the carrots that always seem to make it into these things?
Now banned?

Ban the onions and I might eat one.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 10:38 AM

This looks a good recipe:

Hairy Bikers' Cornish Pasty recipe

No more complicated than any other meat pie recipe, really. And when they're made well, they really are lovely. The nicest one I ever had was May Day 2 years ago in Padstow. Can't remember the name of the shop - I guess I'd better pop in this year and check... :)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 10:46 AM

I used to love Cornish Patsy - but she went all crusty on me.

(Got me coat already...)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 10:56 AM

leeneia -

The idea of the pasty was that the fairly loose fillings wouldn't fall out as they would from a sandwich and the ridge where the pasty was sealed was where you held it with your grubby hands (this was lunch for miners and ploughboys before greaseproof paper or clingfilm were invented). The ridge could be discarded once the rest was eaten.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 11:04 AM

Ceaseless vigilance is required against the advance of the designer or DFL pasty, with fillings such as smoked trout & sour cream, goat's cheese & pesto, Brie & cranberry, snails & garlic butter, and green tea & aloe vera.

Valmai (Lewes)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 11:23 AM

i saw a sausage and mash pasty advertised today!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 12:06 PM

I've never thrown away the crust.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 12:09 PM

David! You haven't got a house full of pasty crusts, have you? Good grief, man!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST,Noreen
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 12:15 PM

Nice thoughts, Valmai- snails and garlic butter pasty...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 12:23 PM

I heard somewhere, Will, that some miners would grip the thick crimped crust-base while eating, then ditch it, for obvious reasons.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Cornish Pasty to be a protected species.
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 12:31 PM

Well I've seen 'hot cross mince pies' so why not 'hot cross pasties' for Easter?

[I tried a Ginster's pasty once - far too much pepper masking, or trying to mask, the other ingredients.]