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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jul 19 - 04:47 PM This post is from several years ago, when P-Vine was treated for cancer. In recent weeks some of Bobert's friends have become aware that they're trying to diagnose a new problem that had some of the hallmarks of cancer, but may in fact not be. The news and the links in this thread are old and might scare people. I'm going to close this thread, and if Bobert wants to start a new one, he can. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: olddude Date: 22 Jul 19 - 10:10 PM Oh no not again. In my prayers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: keberoxu Date: 22 Jul 19 - 05:46 PM Keep those prayers and healing thoughts coming. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bill D Date: 22 Jul 19 - 05:11 PM Treatment seems to be proceeding, but last I read, it's not as serious as feared. We will watch for updates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: keberoxu Date: 21 Jul 19 - 09:50 PM Refreshing this old thread for the most dreaded of reasons: word is out via Facebook that treatment is needed again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 29 Apr 11 - 10:25 AM ditto |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: ChanteyLass Date: 28 Apr 11 - 09:49 PM Thank you for posting. Keep doing so. I hope the move goes as smoothly as possible under the circumstances. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: fat B****rd Date: 28 Apr 11 - 03:42 PM Wishing you and yours the best as always, Bobert. Charlie in Dunfermline. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: olddude Date: 28 Apr 11 - 12:42 PM Thinking of you and P-vine Bobster |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 28 Apr 11 - 12:42 PM MHas she spoken to anyone who's had an implant done, Bobert? Could be she may change her mind... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 27 Apr 11 - 08:46 AM Thanks, Janie, but all we are going to do on this trip is unload the 50 or so plants and a freezer which we'll set up in what is going to be the pantry and get it freezing and then leave the box truck in NC with a hundred or so boxes in the truck and ride back together in her Honda ... The actual move (furniture, other boxes) will occur on May 9th and 10th and her sister will stay down there for a few days and then ride back to Va. with me in the box truck so I can work on getting my Spartan trailer (music studio) ready to haul plus load up the heavy garden hardscape stuff... The week after that, if you'd like to come down then come on down... Prolly be about the next to last week of the month... As per always, thanks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Janie Date: 26 Apr 11 - 09:54 PM PM Bobert, if it would be helpful for me to drive down that way early Sunday and help with some unloading. Can't do Saturday, could do Sunday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: gnu Date: 26 Apr 11 - 08:52 PM Hope she does okay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 26 Apr 11 - 06:41 PM Wish we were settling in, Lizzie... We're right in the midst of moving... The P-Vine is doing what she can, is doing all here PT exercises and is planning on driving our Honda CRV with a small trailer behind it to NC day after tomorrow... I'll be in the big truck behind (in front) of her... The pain is still there but it's getting better... I kinda hate it that she's going to have to go thru some of this all over when they do the implant... I wished she'd just said heck with it and not decided to go with one then it'd just be a matter of letting it heal and be done... I wish that health care professionals would spell the options out better... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 26 Apr 11 - 05:17 PM Sending you both some love and hugs, Bobert. I hope you're both doing well..and settling in a bit more now. xx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 09 Apr 11 - 06:33 AM Well, wish you could be in Wingate to help me unload... Oh, my poor back... lol... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: GUEST,Dani Date: 08 Apr 11 - 10:06 PM Hugs following you along the highway. Let me know if there's anything 'real' I can do. Dani |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 08 Apr 11 - 09:25 PM Love back atcha from Virginny, Jacqui... We're tryin'... I've got to got to NC again tomorrow with a load of plants and she can drive to her PT appointment on Monday am... She's still "stoved up"... That's what the old folks call it but she's doing the exercises and the PT lady says she'll be fine in 3 weeks... Meanwhile, she ain't goin' back to the nutty plastic surgeon at UVa... He hurt her purdy bad last time and he ain't gonna get another shot at it... We'' just wait until we get moved and and find someone in the Charlotte area that isn't so nutty... Doctors ain't suppoded to be nutty... I mean, this ain't "Cannonball Run" with Dom Deloise... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: jacqui.c Date: 08 Apr 11 - 08:55 PM You make sure that BOTH of you take care of yourselves. Love from Maine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: fat B****rd Date: 08 Apr 11 - 03:21 PM Rootin fer ya both here in Dunfermline, Bobert. ATB from Charlie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 08 Apr 11 - 12:52 PM Fast fall, Sins... I have 350 dug and in pots right now... I just came in from framing up two 3 X 7 shelves in the box truck which will give me alot more room for the plants... I think I can get 'um all in if I pack it right... B~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: SINSULL Date: 08 Apr 11 - 11:31 AM When do you start digging up the plants, Bobert? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Apr 11 - 09:41 AM Hang in there, P-Vine, it looks like the end of this post-surgical bother is now in sight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: gnu Date: 08 Apr 11 - 05:09 AM Good news, Bobert! You watch yourSELF too. Especially your back. That there heavy work is a back killer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Apr 11 - 04:37 AM Good news compared to a week back, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Apr 11 - 04:27 AM I'll second that. sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: maeve Date: 07 Apr 11 - 08:42 PM Have a restful night, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 07 Apr 11 - 08:31 PM Well, a little good news... Kinda... After I left for NC yesterday the folks from UVa called the P-Vine... One was from pain management and the other from physical therapy... She actually drove herself to UVa this morning to meet with the PT lady... The PT lady said that she was "locking up" in the pectoral region from the shrinkage around the scar... Said about 20-30% of women who have a mastectomy have this... Been nice if someone had told us this!!! So, the P-Vine is going to do 2 sessions a week and the PT lady says 3 weeks and she'll be fine in terms of pain... The P-Vine said she felt fine driving home today... Me??? I'm beat... 15 hours behind the wheel of my box truck since yesterday morning, plus unloading at least 4000 pounds of tools... I might have to go see that PT lady myself... B~ B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Little Robyn Date: 07 Apr 11 - 04:24 PM Drugs can help the physical pain but nothing really helps with the pain of looking at that ugly scar! Mine was puckered at each end, where the drain pipes had been stitched in. It looked as if the surgeon had used a gathering thread for awhile. And it was red and swollen. All the 'experts' said "That's healing well" and I guess it was but before my six weeks was up they sent me back for a second op, to remove 15 more lymph nodes and that was much more painful and took longer to settle down. So now I have two scars! But the good thing is, they both have healed to nice neat lines - you can hardly see the underarm one and I don't really have much pain any more - just the occasional twitch. It's taken almost a year but as long as I keep busy, I don't think about them and I've almost forgotten about it - like a bad dream. So, hang in there, keep your mind occupied, take the pills and before you know it, you'll be back to normal (almost). Love and healing, Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: catspaw49 Date: 07 Apr 11 - 11:04 AM Aleve??? Get real. Bobertz......Please listen to Dan, Jeri, Kat, et al, who are telling you to get drugs......REAL drugs......Oxycotin type drugs........serious type drugs.............. She's in pain. Any Doc who fucks around playing hihodiddlyfuck while the patient is in pain needs to be either convinced as in Kat's suggestion or replaced. Yeah, yeah, yeah.........I know all the arguments but real Docs are cautious but caring and monitor the situation making sure that the pain is eased while the potential or real side effects are kept in check. If she is in pain she is wasting healing energy dealing with pain......That's not bullshit......its medical fact. Get some real fuckin' drugs...............Well, right now I doubt you need any "fuckin" drugs but get some serious pain meds now and y'all can fuck later. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Apr 11 - 09:54 AM BOBERT, back to basics: What does P-Vine want to do, what does she say she needs from you? Do that. :~) Give her my love. (Then ask her to give it to you for me.) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: freda underhill Date: 07 Apr 11 - 08:34 AM I go for the drugs too, but P-Vine sounds like a strong woman who will make up her own mind. Wish I could help Bobert - good luck in managing it all. freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: My guru always said Date: 06 Apr 11 - 08:26 AM Hope the pain management gives the P-Vine some relief and that you manage to cope with everything. Make time to look after yourself Bobert, eat properly and take rest when you can. You're needed fit and well to look after your Lady & do the moving too! Sending Positive Thoughts! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: olddude Date: 05 Apr 11 - 05:07 PM By the way, Do not I mean do not let the PT people "try to fix it" every f-in time they worked on me I left there in 5 times more pain then I went in ... If they want to use Ice, deep heat and the TENS unit you bet. If they try any stretch or hands above the head or exercise she will be in a lot of trouble ... Please listen to me .. been there, ultrasound deep heat .. perfect, followed by Tens and Ice .. you bet it works ... let them try and 'fix it with exercise or stretch the muscles ' and she will be a mess ... I don't say this to scare you ... I walked that walk about a dozen times and been there .. I have little faith in PT after major surgery for pain control ... get the heavy duty meds please |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: maeve Date: 05 Apr 11 - 05:03 PM Pain Management Center- That's good news, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: kendall Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:59 PM I hate seeing this 'cause I don't know what to say. Just that I'm here sending you and P Vine positive energy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: olddude Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:57 PM Anytime they cut they damage nerves. The worst is when they have to go through large muscle tissue. I am steel from neck to butt. Nerve damage permanent in my legs and in my fingers. Chronic pain from it ... It stops me from doing nothing but I can say it is a struggle for sure sometimes. Pain after surgery is typically very strong when big muscles are cut as they had to do here. That causes a lot of pain. The heavy duty pain meds are the only thing that will quiet it down. Once pain gets a hold of you it is very hard to break the cycle. When my neck went out and they cut through my throat to place the plates and rods I literal scream into a pillow until I passed out. I tried to cowboy the after surgery stuff, once it got a hold of me morphine didn't work until I was completely out ... I only say this because I sure know bad pain. They key is to control it before it goes out of hand. I would make them get the oxycotin and make them give it to her right now. Nothing else is going to work .. Hydrocodne (lortab) will only bind her up and and make her dizzy but will do little. Oxycotin will work but long term use is terrible. She only needs it until she heals .. I am very concerned here ... That needle thing really set the pain in motion and only the strong stuff will work. Oxycotin will not wack her, it will only take it away. That and ice is the key. Make the docs give her that med |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Jeri Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:46 PM Pain management programs are (AFAIK) for long term, chronic pain, NOT short term, post surgical pain. That's what drugs are for. BUT, it sounds as if somebody is afraid of prescribing the good stuff, and the folks at a pain management clinic may easily decide that's the best course. I agree with Dan/Oldude--get a limited supply of the heavy duty stuff, and some PT. Sometimes, the pain meds help a person get through the PT. I had some after my knee surgery, and it mean I could really do my best in therapy. One thing NOT to do is to quit trying to get her relief from pain because you think you're inconveniencing/pissing off the medical people. They won't know it's a really big problem for her unless you push, so push. Be nice, but be persistent. I hope things get better for both of you quickly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: VirginiaTam Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:39 PM Pain management should be able to help a lot. TENS machines are good but sometimes tricky getting pads placed appropriately. Tell you what worked brilliantly for me. Acupuncture. Absolutely wonderful... I now get endorphins (natures pain killers) just thinking about acupuncture. Lovely tingling all on my neck, upper back arms and own to my fingertips right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:27 PM BTW, brucie, has it correct about the nerve damage... Three years ago when that massage therapist messed me up it was 4-5 months before I felt okay again... Nerve damage is slow to recover... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:25 PM Well, while I was out getting the Alieve the surgeons nurse called and she's going to try to get the P-Vine into a "pain management" center and also some PT... The P-Vine says that if it means getting some relief that she'll force herself to drive while I'm gone... I hate this... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: gnu Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:09 PM Thanks maeve. Oh dear! I had no idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: GUEST,999 Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:03 PM Bobert, when surgeries take place sometimes the nerve tissue gets damaged. When the nerves hurt, muscle tissue tries to protect the damaged area by circling the wagons or tightening up and thus cause even more pain by squeezing even more nerves for a while. You'll understand that if you've ever slipped a disk or buggered up your back. The last surgery I had left me in pain for about two months, then it went away real fast. The body tries to protect itself, and pain is the body's way of letting us know something is wrong--that something hurts. And that the body is "on the case." Is there a neighbour nearby who could look in on PV while you're away? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: katlaughing Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:58 PM Rant On: Ya know those charts they have in hospitals now which show numbers 1-10 with varying degrees of uncomfortable looking faces beside each one. I'd get me one of them; point to the 10 and tell them in no uncertain terms it needs a bit more than Alleve AND the pledge/promise of all hospitals, etc. THESE DAYS is one does NOT have to deal with such awful pain. It is detrimental to healing, not just physically, but mentally...the emotional cost is terrible. I'd get me a new internest/second opinion/something and GIT 'er done!! Then, I'd probably get a lawyer on the nerve damage thing, later on, but the pain HAS to be dealt with now! Rant Off katdeallingwiththestupidityofthehealthcaresystem&fedup! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: fat B****rd Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:49 PM Just dropped in to renew my permanent good wishes and best regards to you both, Bobert. Charlie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: maeve Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:29 PM It's common, gnu. Have a look at the article I linked to a few posts back. m |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: gnu Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:28 PM "nerve damage"??? Can someone explain that to me? I just don't get that one. Yes, I understand damaged nerves are a source of pain... but... ??? Sorry if I am being too "technical" about this, but it just don't make no sense to me that a doc would say that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Bobert Date: 05 Apr 11 - 01:54 PM Both her surgeon and plastic surgeon are away for the week... She spoke with her internist who is a very smart lady... Seems there is some agreement that the pain is from "nerve damage" from the surgery... Her internist wants her to try Alieve??? I don't think it's going to do squat but we'll try it... Her sister is just here for the day so she'll be 2 days without me starting tomorrow but we have folks here in the holler... I hate leaving her by herself but it's got to be or it will throw everything off down the road... Thanks, as per usual, for ya'll caring, suggestion, experiences, knowledge, etc... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: Ebbie Date: 05 Apr 11 - 11:42 AM I too have a TENS unit, Dan, and it worked very well on my back. It appears to disrupt the path of the pain, and I think the idea is that when muscles are not reacting to pain they are not as tight and tense, facilitating better circulation which in turn lets the tissues heal faster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Prayers & Healing Thoughts 4 the P-Vine From: olddude Date: 05 Apr 11 - 10:58 AM Bob if I can help you in anything you call or PM me ok. I am not a fan of the heavy weight pain meds but right now she needs Oxycontin .. for short time use it works very well... long term use has very bad problems but right now it will not wack her and will control the pain ... she needs it .. still looking for my TENS unit ... You guys are in my thoughts my prayers and my heart my brother .. you know anything I can do I will do for you |