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Subject: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Max
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 10:49 AM

Permathread to try out some things. Will explain as I go and edit the thread as needed.

Testing a tool called Apture on the dev site that allows you to highlight words and a "Learn More" pops up and provides more reference info and searches out videos and mp3's and such. Trying to install it in this thread only to see if anyone likes it.

--Sample Topics--

This Land is Your Land

Aiken Drum

Internet Explorer

Max Spiegel

Mudcat


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Max
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 10:58 AM

It seems to work here. It also searches our own info, in essence, cross-indexing everything.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 11:04 AM

Max, can it cross-reference the MOAB thread? :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 11:06 AM

Neat!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Tinker
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 11:43 AM

That's amazing .... and unobtrusive. But the time I may spend on cyber rambles just went up dramatically.....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 11:48 AM

Looks good...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Will Fly
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 11:50 AM

Amazing - but the "Max Spiegel - Insane - Fails for a million" at the NYT website didn't exist... Hmmm... thinks...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 12:04 PM

Nice idea!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 12:29 PM

Max, I trust the computer-savel folk here, and I certainly trust you.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 12:32 PM

Hm - It doesn't seem to work for me, but maybe it's because I have pop-ups blocked.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Max
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 12:55 PM

It also supposedly does cool things with links to certain types of content.

Like videos

and images

and maps


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Max
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 01:00 PM

..but only seems to work for video.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 01:07 PM

This is great, Max. And I agree with you about the Monsters of Folk album...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Max
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 01:26 PM

"The Mudcat Labs network" section is populated with with the same things that the Handmade Magic Search (the Google Custom Search blank below the regular mudcat search) is made from, a list of 50 sites hand-picked by me that contain great data like mudcat. They include but not limited to:

http://dev.mudcat.org/
http://www.thebards.net/music/
http://maxhunter.missouristate.edu/
http://folkmusic.about.com/
http://www.thesession.org/
http://www.camscomusic.com/
http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/ballads/
http://www.froots.net/phpBB2/
http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/
http://www.folktunefinder.com/
http://itu.se/eirinn/ceol/g/
http://www.hymnsite.com/
http://www.fasola.org/indexes/
http://www.ceolas.org/
http://www.contemplator.com/
http://www.folklib.net/
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mussmhtml/
http://www.mun.ca/folklore/leach/
http://www.cowboysong.com/
http://www.harptab.com/

So it should be real good data.

Also, the Amazon links are tagged with our affiliateID so we'll get a cut of any sales that their inclusion may lead to.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 01:42 PM

All of this regally and really sucks. Don't change anything even though more and more of it has sucked over the years as well. I can't figure which new and bad idea is the absolute shittiest but they're all in the running right now. For that matter I can't figure which change you made in the past that pissed me off the most but they all pretty much did, each in their own way and time. Even if turds had value, you'd still be completely worthless.


Spaw (just filling in til Harpgirl shows up......new stuff looks pretty neat to me but Harpy is always a different matter)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Amos
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 02:13 PM

What a nice man that Catspaw is, holding the line for Harpgirl. Or holding something else. Whatever, their business....



A


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: bobad
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 03:21 PM

Very cool...it all works for me except for the images link, I get this:

403 Forbidden
File for URL /

   The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. (code=123)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Artful Codger
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 03:36 PM

Hardly unobtrusive or user-friendly. Things like this shouldn't happen except by explicit request. Highlighting is the first step for copy/paste, and to have unwanted garbage popping up every time you highlight something is a royal pain. It's particularly hostile to people with slower connections. All these optional features should only pop up when you do something explicit to invoke them, like clicking an icon, right-clicking and selecting an option in a context menu or typing a special keyboard shortcut (iffy). Does no one remember the annoying "helpful" Microsoft paperclip? This is just like that. Nice concept, bad way to implement it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Joe_F
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 03:51 PM

Nothing happens, here or there (using Conkeror).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 03:56 PM

Fun, and it could be handy.

Maybe some way to turn it off if you don't like it would be good. I'd probably leave it on - you can still highlight stuff if you want to copy it, and it's easy to ignore "learn more". But, for people with slower connections, an option to turn off would be helpful.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 04:13 PM

I've been working on Jean Ritchie's "Now Is the Cool of the Day," which has "feed my lambs" in the lyrics. So, when I saw this thread, I saw Max's Mudcat Lambs.....oh, don't I wish for a few more lambs around here at times....

love,
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Max
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 04:17 PM

@ArtfulCodger: Yeah, I can't really use anything with pop-ups like that on the site as a whole. I've been toying with this sort of idea for about 10 years, have yet to see, or be able to create, a good implementation.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 04:17 PM

Liked the first examples, but didn't get what I was supposed to do on the second one ("works only withg video"). ???

LOL-- highlighting |Bruce Murdoch| brought up the right one, but on just |Murdoch| I got a flood of Rupert. Not fond of HIS Music, so much.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 04:22 PM

I like it ;O)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Little Robyn
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 04:34 PM

Hey, I like it.
So I clicked on the paperclip bit just to see what Artful Codger was annoyed with and up came Clippy! My granddaughter just loves Clippy. I just ignore him but Kali really enjoys playing with him (yes, it's a 'he' to Kali).
I tried a couple of others and if I don't want to go there I just don't click the link.
Easy.
And it means I won't have to open a new tab and do the cut and paste bit when I want to follow up something.
Thanks Max.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 05:41 PM

hmmm... all you do is highlight a word? I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like, but nothing happens in Opera for me. In Firefox, I have already have an add-on which gives a pop-up preview (called "CoolPreviews") of almost any link, and I watched the video and saw the map without actually clicking..(great for direct links to images).

(I disabled my web filters and pop-up blockers for the test.)

I'll try again later, and with other browsers.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 06:21 PM

It's kewl, not sure I'd use it too much. I enjoy the ferretting out and nudging my memory banks.:-) Like the Quick Jump!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 06:22 PM

Seems to work well over all with my Mac, using Safari. I'm curious as to why on some links the information stays in the little pop-up window, in some, the information opens in a new tab, and in some, it navigates away from Mudcat.

I understand AC's concerns and thought the suggestion from him and also from Kevin to have the ability to turn it off is a good one.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 06:30 PM

In Firefox, on my Mac, if my cursor runs over the "Learn more" icon, the pop-up window opens, even though I clicked nothing. That could be annoying if I was simply trying to copy and paste and sloppily navigated the cursor over the icon in the process.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Tootler
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 07:04 PM

I see absolutely nothing except the three links in Max's post at 15 Apr 11 - 12:55 PM which are clearly just standard hyperlinks. Video and map links work but the image on just brings up a snippet of XML which looks like an "access denied message". No links or popups with info. I have seen the kind of thing that seems to be described on other sites where you hover the mouse over a link and a message window appears with info, usually advertising in my experience.

I'm on Firfox 3.6 in Ubuntu Linux, btw.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Tootler
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 07:05 PM

Oops Typo!

It should have been Firefox 3.6


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 07:15 PM

I see nothing in Firefox - but then I block all the intrusive google addons crap that steal info about me. I also have auto blocking of all untrusted sites - all are untrusted unless i add them. I'd need to know what sites are essential for this stuff to specifically add them.

I used to have a thingy like the coolpreviews ages ago but killed it. It was 'cool' but on dialup it killed the access. Now I have limited allowance Bband, but still resent 'the system' wildly wasting my bandwidth dragging down tons of unwanted crap. Which is why I killed it anyway.

Some people will like it, and even I might want to use it occasionally when researching some songs, but I really would want to shut it off much of the time. I hope it won't kick in for the BS threads ...

I also ask whether it adds any load to the MC servers themselves.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 07:27 PM

It didn't work in Opera for me, either.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 07:42 PM

Ok... I opened a copy of IE for the first time in 2-3 years and I see it working....but I can't say it moves me much--- and if it only works in IE, I'll never see it.


And....HOW did IE,(version 6!!) which has NEVER been opened on this computer, know my sign-in and identify me without me telling it anything?
I don't think I like that......


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 11:54 PM

I've been messing around with it in Firefox all evening and it works like a charm - except that, being a bit shakey at times, it would be annoying to have the pop-up open just because I moved the cursor arrow over it, as mentioned before.

I think I really like it, Max. I've been going from thread to thread and highlighting song titles, then going to videos. Hearing lots of music and songs I do not know that I otherwise would probably not have the time to go search out otherwise.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Janie
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 11:56 PM

Bill, I've got pop-ups blocked in Firefox.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 08:18 AM

Doesn't work at all for me. I think my browser is too old.

But I notice that most of the fonts look different (to me) on the new site and the 'Quick Jump' listing of previous posts in a given thread is not necessarily an improvement, IMO.

Jay


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: janemick
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 03:08 PM

looks good to me


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 09:58 PM

Actually, Max, a feature that would be very useful (another TUIT related job ...) is the ability to search the list of Traced Threads (I KNOW I traced that thread....), as well as search the lists of sent & received PMs.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Tinker
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 11:31 PM

I'm using chrome and I highlighted "Now is the cool of the day" in Joe's post and there was a youtube link to hear the song....

It still will copy and paste even if the side window pops open, so I give that feature a mild annoyance factor, but one that is easily ignored....

I confess I like the immediate gratification.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: treewind
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 05:30 AM

A data point: it works here in Google Chrome on Debian Linux.
I'm not decided on whether it's desirable or too intrusive.

Something similar my browser does already: if I highlight a word or phrase and right-click on it, one of the options in the popup menu is "search Google for 'xxxxx'" which is almost as good and comes for free on any web site.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 05:48 AM

Works beautifully in Google Chrome. I am liking very much.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST,Tootler using Epiphany Browser
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 04:17 PM

I have tried two other possibilities both open source:

Epiphany Browser

Chromium Browser - unbranded version of Google Chrome

In both cases the feature works. It's clear that the way I have Firefox set up is the reason it doesn't work there. As others have said it does work with the pop up blocker active, then I suspect Ad Block Plus may be the reason, but I haven't checked it.

I can see it could be useful but I'm not worried either way. I now know I have a way to use the feature should I need it.

Cheers


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 11:14 PM

Bill D asks:

And....HOW did IE,(version 6!!) which has NEVER been opened on this computer, know my sign-in and identify me without me telling it anything?
I don't think I like that......


There are multiple "password vaults" that you can use, some of which are accessible to any program on your computer and some that can only be accessed by the program they "belong to."

In some cases a site can use the cookie that identifies you, tagged to indicate that you don't want to be asked to log in when you come back the next time. Cookies are pretty much all in the same place regardless of which browser fetches them up. That's how mudcat keeps track of you - delete the cookie and you'll need to log back in.

A few sites accept your "saved" login to let you browse and post, but may insist that the password be manually entered, or that "security questions" be answered if you enter pages where "personal information" might be exchanged. An example would be if mudcat required you to re-log in to change your password or personal page (which I'm happy they don't do).

Windows can offer to "save login" for you, in which case it's the site that identifies that a particular login is needed, and Windows doesn't much care how you got there. Passwords and logins are maintained separately for each user, but if you don't password the user login onto the computer anyone who turns it on has them all.

Many AV programs have "independent" places for saving the info, with various protocols for their use. For some, you may have to login to the "vault program" before it will pass the passwords it remembers, after you login to open your username on the computer.

You're the only one with access to your computer to figure out how it's doing it; but there are lots of other methods you can use (if you can figure out how to turn the defaults off).

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 04:27 PM

spaw, you shallow running crankbait....I must have had an attack of telepathy because I looked at the mudcat today....what's all this change? It was fine the way it was in 1998. Do we really have to change anything? Why is everything so dam complicated? ( There you go...feel better now, shriveled buckeyes?)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 04:47 PM

JiK said: "There are multiple "password vaults" that you can use, some of which are accessible to any program on your computer...."

All I know is: Opera & Firefox never share cookies or passwords that would allow them to assume who I was. What I.E. does is a behavior that is similar to I.E./Windows (they are linked in 'interesting' ways) capturing in their 'temp' folders items that I thought were only in Opera's cache. It took me weeks to figure out how to stop THAT! It is hard to even find the storage area, as the coded folders don't even register in many file managers. (I found it by 'backing in' after studying unusual size figures after using a couple of indexing programs.)

I kinda like being in basic control over how *I* manage my computer..(*grin*..as if it wasn't obvious).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 05:20 PM

Now see what you've done...!

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:14 AM

Here's what I got when I highlighted catspaw!! Yea that about covers it! hahahahahaha what ya up to crankbait that yer getting carpal tunnel syndrome??? hahaha



Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Relief - Cats Paw Ergonomic Hand Exerciser:Heal carpal tunnel syndrome with the Cats Paw ergonomic hand exerciser. Relieve wrist and hand numbness and pain, tennis elbow, tendinitis, repetitive strain injuries ...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 02:48 AM

You should change hands occasionally, Spaw ... 99, 100,


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 May 11 - 03:45 PM

I haven't been on the test site, but just discovered "Max's Handmade Magic Multi-Site Search" which is pretty slick AND noticed when that linked me to a listing in the DT it including thumbnail links to youtube examples. Pretty kewl stuff there, Max!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Jeri
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:45 PM

If you haven't noticed, there's a little arrow of dots in the lower right corner of the message entry window. If you drag it, you can make the window bigger or smaller.

If you HAVE noticed, and I just found something (yesterday) that's been there since a year-ago-last-Octember, never mind


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 May 11 - 11:21 PM

wow!

sandra (writing in a newly discovered wider window!!)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 May 11 - 11:33 PM

Oh, how kewl!! Thanks, Jeri! The Kid is subtle, ain't he?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: gnu
Date: 14 May 11 - 05:52 AM

There is? You mean just below where I am typing? I don't see any.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: JennyO
Date: 14 May 11 - 06:35 AM

I'm impressed! I can see myself getting easily distracted and spending even MORE time on the computer than I already do! Using Firefox 3.6.3 for Ubuntu linux and it all works fine.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Crowhugger
Date: 15 May 11 - 12:50 AM

I don't get a window-widener dotty thing either. No great loss; a bigger window will only encourage me to fill it.

I sure do like this Learn More thing but holy smokes, what a time sponge!!

Just wondering if anyone else finds double-click a word to highlight it doesn't work in the dev site message writing box? It works fine in the main site and fine elsewhere in the thread on dev site. I use that double-click for editing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 11 - 01:30 PM

No window-widener for me in either Opera or Firefox...and I won't open IE to look.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 May 11 - 01:35 PM

I have it in Firefox and Chrome. It's not there in IE.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 11 - 05:40 PM

strange...In Firefox, I've allowed scripts, turned off all javascript blockers, reloaded. *shrug*


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: bobad
Date: 15 May 11 - 05:43 PM

Me too, no go in Firefox.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 May 11 - 05:53 PM

Bill, you have Firefox 4.0.1? Now that I think of it, I didn't get the doohickey until I upgraded, but I don't know if it's related or just a coincidence.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST,Bill D...in**Netscape**
Date: 15 May 11 - 05:58 PM

No..have not upgraded Firefox yet. It did not work in K-Meleon, but it does work in this seldom used copy of the last Netscape!

In K-Meleon, the bottom & right borders are dotted, but no arrows to widen it. I guess I'll try Chrome next.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: gnu
Date: 15 May 11 - 06:01 PM

I got chrome dome but I don't think that would make it work.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST,Bill D in Comodo Dragon
Date: 15 May 11 - 06:10 PM

I forgot I had this one..Comodo Dragon

This gives me a colored border around the box, shaded from yellow to black on the top & left borders, no black in the bottom & right, and two little lines in the corner, forming a triangle and allowing me to widen the box.... Netscape gave me the double arrows that pop-up over any window you can drag wider.

Interesting..


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST,Bill D
Date: 15 May 11 - 06:13 PM

...and it did work in Chrome...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 11 - 06:16 PM

Still in 'Dragon', with cookie reset and javascript turned off...still works

so, it well MAY require Firefox 4. I wonder if Opera has special restrictions.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 May 11 - 06:28 PM

Bill, how many browsers do you have on that machine??!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 11 - 08:12 PM

ummmm... I, uh...collect 'em. I have 6 versions of Opera, 2 of K-Meleon, one Firefox, 'cause it fights me about allowing side-by-side versions, the final version of Netscape, one called Lunascape, which is quite interesting...one of Chrome, one of Comodo Dragon.... one little thing called "Off-by One", which is a sort of demo project, .....and somewhere there's an odd item called.....oh, yeah..Internet Explorer 6.

Why? Well, because I'm curious about the small (and large) changes they make, and I want browsers to do what *I* want. The newer ones have many nice tricks, but they often delete features I covet. (The trend seems to be to 'dumb-down' some of the advanced option, so as not to confuse folks.)
Now, 95% of my use is between the 2 latest Operas and Firefox...but Lunascape is fascinating, though it has crashed a couple times. It has more options than anything I have ever seen.

And in THIS case, I found some strange differences in how they render Max's features.

(a boy needs a hobby to keep him off the streets)

Don't ask how many file managers I have...

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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 11 - 08:16 PM

Oh...and almost forgot! I also have SeaMonkey!

Am I crazy? Well, I do NOT have most of these!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Soldier boy
Date: 15 May 11 - 08:51 PM

Never mind. Once Facebook con-joines with Super Firebox comes along it will all make sense!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 May 11 - 09:30 PM

Bill--whack job.

;-)
(I only have three, and I keep clicking the "open in new" flippin' "WINDOW" thing instead of "tab".)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 15 May 11 - 11:05 PM

Jeri...I resemble that remark!

(and seeing the tabs and being able to control them and hide or unhide them at will is all that keeps me sane with it all. I actually have certain sites I keep tabs open in one browser and not another...with different security settings in some.) And Opera & Firefox both have 'session manager' settings that I can make rules for.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 May 11 - 12:27 AM

Re: the opening post about "additional information" on anything you highlight.

Attempting to repair a "malfunciton of unknown origin" a "fix" by Microsoft disabled my Google toolbar. Since repair and reconstruction of what was left after the help from Mickey, I find that on any web page, whenever I highlight anything, a little blue square appears that floats around near the selection.

I finally got curious enough to click a couple, and find that it gives "instant definitions" on anything that's so obvious that Chongo wouldn't need help, but on "more complex" things that might not be understood by someone with at least his level of intelligence it offers to "find more on Google" and apparently offers choices for kinds of searches based on the applets on my (rebuilt) Google toolbar.

The system demonstrated by Max seems more appropriate here, since it gives "localized" information. The Google thing isn't particularly intrusive, and might be helpful (or at least interesting) for some. Either is a lot better than the sites that automatically pop up crap just because your cursor "passed over" a Java hotspot (immmensely annoying).

Since Microsoft demonstrated that the Google toolbar is easily removed, and reinstallation isn't all that much bother, those who haven't tried it out probably don't need to be too fearful about the experiment.

Note though that I don't know what they call the particular "feature" in question, or what options might have turned it on. It might be something from IE9 that just shows Google because it's set as my primary search engine. It does offer other engines if I click for "more applets" when it offers to search.

Has anyone else noticed the little blue box when you highlight something?

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Snuffy
Date: 16 May 11 - 08:58 AM

The little blue box has been in IE8 for quite a while, and has now been joined by Max's Learn More. The behaviour depends on whether I highlight a word from left to right or right to left.

R to L Learn More sits due north of the end of the word, and the blue box sits southeast of the word. I can open either by clicking on them.

But if I highlight from the end of the word to the beginning Learn More sits sits due north of the start of the word, and the blue box sits northwest of the start, partly overlapping the Learn More box, which opens fine. But if I try to hover the mouse over the blue box, the box moves down to sit due west of the word. If I move the mouse to there, the box resumes its former position, and so on ad infinitum. Wherever I go and whatever I click, it will only open Learn More.

Not that I'm complaining, you understand.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 11 - 12:09 PM

Yeah, it does work in Chrome.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Max's Mudcat Labs (new feature testing)
From: Bill D
Date: 17 May 11 - 12:01 PM

Ok..I updated Firefox on one computer, and it now shows the window stretcher.


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