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Lyr Req: The Hungry Child DigiTrad: HUNGRY CHILD (German) THE HUNGRY CHILD Related thread: Help: Hungry Child copyright (3) |
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Subject: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I'LL From: POLESDEN@AOL.COM Date: 19 Sep 99 - 09:15 AM THIS IS A SONG I HEARD ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO AND IT ROUGHLY GOES AS FOLLOWS MOTHER I'M HUNGRY MOTHER DEAR GIVE ME BREAD OR I'LL BE DYING WAIT MY CHILD,WAIT MY CHILD FOR THE BREAD IT HAS TO BE BAKED AND WHEN THE BREAD IT HAD BEEN BAKED THE YOUNG CHILD LAY THERE DEAD THE ABOVE ARE THE FINAL FEW LINES - ANY HELP WITH THE REST OF THE WORDS WOULD BE APPRECIATED |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: wildlone Date: 19 Sep 99 - 12:38 PM The song is THE HUNGRY CHILD,recorded by the Young Tradition on So Cheerfully Round This is released on CD The Young Tradition ESMCD409. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE HUNGRY CHILD (Judith Piepe) From: wildlone Date: 19 Sep 99 - 03:24 PM The words for THE HUNGRY CHILD Written by Judith Piepe A young child to its mother ran and then it started crying, Mother I'm hungry mother dear give me bread or i'll be dying. Wait my child, wait my child, Tomorrow we'll be ploughing. Now when the field it had been ploughed the young child started crying, Mother I'm hungry mother dear give me bread or I'll be dying. Wait my child wait my child, Tomorrow we;ll be sowing. Now when the field it had been reaped the young child started crying, Mother I'm hungry mother dear give me bread or I'll be dying. Wait my child wait my child, Tomorrow we'll be threshing. Now when the wheat it had been threshed the young child started crying, Mother I'm hungry mother dear give me bread or i'll be dying. Wait my child wait my child, Tomorrow we'll be grinding. Now when the wheat it had been ground the young child started crying, Mother I'm hungry mother dear give me bread or I'll be dying. Wait my child wait my child we'll be baking. Now when the bread was warm in the oven the child lay in his coffin. ^^ This was written and shown to one of those people who knew traditional songs,he said it must be rural 1700s when told the truth he was heard of no more. hope this helped .WL. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Susanne (skw) Date: 19 Sep 99 - 07:45 PM I have a German version that follows exactly the same storyline on a recent CD of songs coming out of the 1848 revolution in Germany. There are no notes on it, other than the ubiquitous 'Trad'. Maybe it's older than the 19th century, and maybe also Ms. Piepe did a reworking of an existing older song. Who can tell us whether the German or English language version came first? Anon (aka Bruce O.)? Please! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Sep 99 - 04:43 AM Say, Susanne, might you be willing to post the German lyrics? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Susanne (skw) Date: 20 Sep 99 - 06:40 PM Sure, although they're not in the notes. I'll have to take them down from the CD and I'm rather busy just now. So please be prepared to wait a couple of weeks, and I'll do it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Polesden Date: 21 Sep 99 - 01:45 PM Thank you for the very quick response to my request. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Susanne (skw) Date: 22 Sep 99 - 07:57 PM Joe, I couldn't resist it, and it didn't take very long after all. So here are the German words. The ploughing is left out, there follows sowing, shearing, threshing, grinding and baking. There are no notes at all on the song with the CD. The most likely place to find it is 'Steinitz', I suppose. Are you familiar with that collection?
Mamele, Mamele, gib mit Brot
Mammele, Mammele, gib mit Brot
Mammele, Mammele, gib mit Brot
Mammele, Mammele, gib mit Brot
Mammele, Mammele, gib mit Brot ^^ |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Sep 99 - 07:40 AM Susanne, the Judith Piepe song always sounded familiar to me and now I know why, thanks to you.
Here'sMutter, ach Mutter, another German variant, supposedly more than 200 years old. That site also includes a recent singable English translation. Let's hope Ms. Piepe doesn't sue for copyright, for the similarities are obvious. Perhaps that person thinking this was a song from the 1700's just walked away in disgust. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Jon Bartlett Date: 24 Sep 99 - 05:16 PM The original is in Des Knaben Wunderhorn (sp?),1820 or thereabouts. I ran the new words and a sample of the German in our newsletter about a year ago. I can't post at home for some godforsaken reason ("contacting mudcat. waiting for reply") is all it says, and I'm at work now without me reference books, but I'll post shortly. PS In the Wunderhorn too is a great version of Lord Randall, with the proper eels. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Wolfgang Date: 29 Sep 99 - 09:45 AM Yes, it's in Des Knaben Wunderhorn (1806/1808) and already then it said: "oral tradition". On the Young Tradition CD it is marked as copyrighted by Ms. Piepe. That may be true, but if Ms. Piepe's lyrics are anything else but a translation from German I understand nothing of plagiarism. I'll give you a sample of both lyrics tomorrow if Jon doesn't. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Wolfgang Date: 30 Sep 99 - 04:40 AM There is a German version of 'The hungry child' in an old Folksong collection, in von Arnim and Brentano's 'Des Knaben Wunderhorn'. This collection of German folksongs has first been published in 1806/1808. The song is denoted as coming from 'oral tradition', so it is definitely more than 200 years old. Piepe's original title is 'The Procrastination Song', Des Knaben Wunderhorn prints the title as 'Verspätung' (lateness) and the first line as 'Mutter, ach Mutter'. Now, in Germany the song is known as 'Das hungrige Kind (The hungry child). For comparison here are two verses and choruses:
Judith Piepe (contemp.):
Des Knaben Wunderhorn (orig. 1806/1808; a 1963 reprint adapting the spelling to modern German): The similarities in the other verses are just as compelling. The succession of the activities in the verses are ploughing, sowing, reaping, threshing, grinding, baking in Judith Piepe's version, sowing, reaping, threshing, grinding, baking in the old German song.
I'd say the case is clear enough. Ms. Piepe may have rewritten an old song, she may have translated an old song, she may have written a new tune to an old song (we could check that, Susanne, I have Piepe's tune, you have the German tune), but the basic song is more than 200 years old and should have been marked so on the CD and not as '(Piepe) Copyright Control'. Peter, Heather, Royston
We have a friend called Judith Piepe. She once came into collision with a Folk Drag, who knew All About The English Tradition and could tell a traditional song any day. So Judith wrote him a couple, which he averred were rural gems from the seventeen hundreds. When she told him the truth he went away and hasn't been heard from since. Splendid. So, we thought, was one of the songs. Judith calls it 'The Procrastination Song': we prefer to call it 'The Hungry Child'. Note by Heather."
The irony is that the 'Folk Drag' Heather Wood is making fun of in her notes to the song on the Young Tradition CD was right after all.
It is still not clear, however, whether this song is of German or English origin. Even a song being in oral tradition in Germany more than 200 years ago can have an English origin. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Susanne (skw) Date: 30 Sep 99 - 06:53 PM Great bit of work, Wolfgang! Do you have - or know anyone who has - the CD 'Leipziger Folk-Sessions: 18 aus 48'? The song is on it, sung by Juergen Wolff and Jens Paul Wollenberg. - Susanne |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Wolfgang Date: 10 Oct 99 - 05:54 AM No Susanne, I don't have it nor know of anybody... Should we compare on the phone or swap tapes? Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: wildlone Date: 10 Oct 99 - 08:25 AM Many thanks Wolfgang, Yes I did base my remarks on the sleeve notes on the album. This has been such an interesting thread. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: MOTHER I'M HUNGRY/GIVE ME BREAD OR I From: Wolfgang Date: 26 Nov 99 - 11:18 AM I think I should add this information: The hungry child (Piepe) and The Hungry Child (German trad.) share the lyrics but do not share the tune, as I know now. Wolfgang |
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