Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?

Subject: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: My guru always said
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 04:28 AM

This is weird. I have several friends who use Hotmail, and they aren't receiving any emails from my Freeserve email addy.

I've Googled and found that this appears to happen on an annual basis, something to do with Hotmail being unhappy with Orange (who incorporated Freeserve) regarding Spam levels. Last information I found was from last year, but nothing from this year despite discovering this problem over a week ago.

Has anyone heard anything?

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 05:29 AM

Google

freeserve and hotmail


Lotsa folks with the same problem.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: My guru always said
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 06:27 AM

Crazy, isn't it?

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: My guru always said
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 12:43 PM

Refresh, and getarounds for this?

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: Tootler
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:00 PM

"...Hotmail being unhappy with Orange..."

Somehow, pots, kettles and black springs to mind :-)

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:21 PM

One of my mates has been emailing me all week from his Freeserve address and nothing has been coming through to my Hotmail. What is particularly irritating is that he gets no "bounce" messages from Freeserve, so neither he nor I are aware that his messages are not being delivered. It's outrageous. It's like him sending me letters, Bude post office tearing 'em up instead of delivering them to me, and neither of us knowing what's going on.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:59 PM

Are they going to spam or not being delivered at all? In either case, everything is solved with a gmail account ;)

Former is easy to fix, latter means the recipient asks Hotmail what the problem is, and you do the same for Freeserve. Then you start scoring points for each time Freeserve blame Hotmail or vice versa.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 03:23 AM

Same problem, not in spam, no 'bounce' message to sender. VERY annoying!

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:15 AM

I had to ban g-mail addies from my web page, because of the amount of spam that comes with a g-mail handle. It's common for people to register with these web based e-mails, as it's easy, more anonymous, and they don't use fixed IP addresses, making them impossible to ban.
I use Yahoo mail when I register with site like Facebook, where one is liable to get spam, and other unwanted communications.
So others must do the same for less innocent reasons.
I'm sure the same applies to other web based e-mails.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:34 AM

I gave up on Freeserve years ago because their servers kept getting onto the major spam blacklists.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:38 AM

There is a more general thread about false positives in spam filters at webmasterworld. Advice on not getting flagged as spam here.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: My guru always said
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 05:49 AM

As mentioned above, emails from Freeserve (and apparently g-mail) aren't being treated as Spam.

I tested this with a friend and she couldn't even receive emails from Freeserve to her work addy when they were CC'd to her Hotmail. Only when I took the Hotmail CC off did she get anything at her work addy. Now that's plain Mean!

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: Noreen
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:29 AM

Steve Shaw says: It's like him sending me letters, Bude post office tearing 'em up instead of delivering them to me, and neither of us knowing what's going on.

The difference is you PAY for the service from the post office. As you are not paying to use FREEserve or Hotmail, there is no comeback.

Annoying though, when you don't know whether your message has gone through or not.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:37 AM

Of course we pay for it. Just in a roundabout way, that's all. We all pay higher prices for the goods and services that companies pay to advertise down the side of the screen. We just don't pay at the point of use, that's all.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:40 AM

Yeah, shout at them and score points. You won't get an answer, but you will get some entertainment.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:46 AM

Open another e-mail account with a different company.
I have e-mail accounts with three different companies, and I can check them all on one account.
However, I can only send on one account.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 08:23 AM

As mentioned above, emails from Freeserve (and apparently g-mail) aren't being treated as Spam.

Hotmail has two levels of spam filtering. Only at the second level to they present the message to the customer's own spam settings. Anything that fails the first level vanishes. If the sending IP address is blackisted (as often happens with Freeserve) then the message wsil fail at the first level.

The lack of a bounce message could be down to your own, or your ISP's, spam settings, fake bounces have been a popular technique for delivering malware.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 08:24 AM

I wish you could edit your posts as in most forums, that was some of my worst typing ever but I think it still makes sense.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 08:32 AM

reading with curiousity.

A woman I know uses hotmail, and I learned that her email has been deleted by me (accidentally directly, and probably automatically, too) because her hotmail account put ads in the subject line.

I have never, ever had a problem with gmail. Maybe three times in five years a piece of actual spam has made it to my inbox. Blind luck, or am I (no tech savvy girl) doing something right by accident?

Dani

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: My guru always said
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:26 PM

Interesting about the 2-tier spam filtering system at Hotmail. Thanks PeterC, that explains it.

Actually, Orange is my Provider, so I effectively pay for my 'freeserve' addy though I know I could keep using it for free. However, I really don't want to change my addy but it is worth thinking about if I change Provider. I know I could still pull emails from the old addy into Outlook but changing all my business cards, flyers & letterheads would be a pain, I've got quite a stock - could use stickers I suppose....

Still, I guess I've been depending on email working too much *sigh*

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: DrugCrazed
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:04 PM

@Dani No, I get precious little spam and I'm the internet sign up lady of the night.

Gmail (I guess) do a very clever system which let's emails through due to the following:
A) Have I emailed you? Then you can go through
B) Are you on our whitelist? Then you can go through
C) Are you on our blacklist? Then GET AWAY FROM HERE

Everything else probably gets held and run through the spam filter.

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: PHJim
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 08:02 PM

Should this thread not be in the BS section?

Subject: RE: Tech: Hotmail won't accept Freeserve emails?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 02:14 AM

Are you on our whitelist? Then you can go through
I don't know about gmail or Yahoo but Hotmail and AOL both do their first stage of filtering without looking at the recipient's white list.