BS: Wall Street Protesters...

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 11:10 AM

Putting one's faith in either the Democrats or the Republicans to solve the country's problems is like expecting one's problems to be solved by a choice between...

Hitler and Mussolini

Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung

Al Capone and Lucky Luciano

Pretty Boy Floyd and Baby Face Nelson

Ronald McDonald and the A & W Great Root Bear

Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson

Yes, you may have your personal "favorite" out of any of the above pairs of so-called "choices"......but don't kid yourself that it's going to solve your problems! It's going to add to your problems.

And yet, you appear to have no other choice. Could that be because the game is fixed and your vote is just a rubber stamp for those who control the game? Who is the little man behind the curtain in the Land of Oz? I'll give you a clue. It's not just one man. It's many men and a few women. It's a consortium of special interests, and you don't get to vote either for them or against them, because your electoral system simply doesn't give you any way to do that, because the consortium of special interests pre-selects the candidates you get to vote for...in all but a very few cases...simply because it takes a lot of money to undertake and win an election campaign...and the consortium of special interests are the primary source of that money. They definitely pre-select the candidates for the top positions, such as the president.

And that is why the president works for THEM, not for you, once he's in office.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 10:36 AM

Bobert: "I think we do need, however, to talk about the realities of a Ron Paul presidency that would double the number of people living in poverty..."......and so on and so forth..blah blah..

I think the FED is the root of all your misplaced, ridiculous 'information'. I think you ought to look in THAT direction, and get off your Democratic Party shill routine. It's been LONG overdue!
I just read the 'Popular views on Obama' thread for the first time, in a REAL long time..and you are getting the snot whipped out of you...and its for only ONE thing.....your block-headed adherence to the Democrat hypocrisy....Hey, do you think I like to see my fellow musician friends get beat up, and take the fall, over a pack of lies, they happen to believe in..and then start peddling?
Step back, take a look
And you Republicans should do the same thing.
You are both in control by your cronies!.....and they are extorting both parties, and the American public, as well as Europe, and the mid-east.
The party politics game is wearing out.
Gosh, maybe there will be the 'Anti-Party Party'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 10:18 AM

One small group in yesterday's gathering were "Paul/2012" people... Some of the OWSers are kinda all over the place with their particular bones of contention... I can live with that... A couple had signs against the Federal Reserve, too... I can live with that... I mean, the general consensus is that the working class is getting screwed by the upper 1%... Everyone there, regardless of their per peeves, was on that page...

I think we do need, however, to talk about the realities of a Ron Paul presidency that would double the number of people living in poverty... I thinks some youngins think Paul is just about ending the wars so they don't fully think things out... Same with the Fed... I mean, we live in a global economy and if we have no way of regulation the value of our currency then we will lose market shares of US made goods... China does it... India does it... Europe does it... It is a tool to compete... The Fed may not be perfect but without it we are taking one of our most powerful tools out of the tool box and watching even more unemployment...

I have no problems articulating this as I continue with this current group of folks... Some times you just have to take someone and do a one-on-one with them...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 10:07 AM

Gosh, Lizzie, I hadn't seen that before. Very interesting!..and a lot of what he was saying is true!...and VERY close to what I've been harping on to our fellow Mudcatter left extremist, armchair ideologues!!!

LIZZIE-BABES!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 09:38 AM

Alex Jones on Occupy The Federal Reserve

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 09:13 AM

My new favorite Bumper Sticker:
"If your solution to the country's problems will fit on a bumper sticker, please don't vote"

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 07:42 AM

Gotta go for a bit, Ake. But I'll tell you about wing chun when I get back. It may change your thinking on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 07:32 AM

Suffit....The system just loves non violent protest, it buys time to paint the protesters as Anarchists, Communists,etc etc......I know from personal experience that before long they become isolated and their motives misrepresented.

I dont need to ask anyone how it works, as I have fought Capitalism all my life.

Unity is a must, and for the left,that means compromise.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 01:43 AM

Lemme see now...Soros funds 'Move on', and SIEU, and Obama, among other things, and you think Obama doesn't endorse the protesters?

Bobert rags on me for at least a dozen posts, about my exposing the Fed, for the crooks they are, and I call for them to be abolished, investigated, and put on trial...now the protesters was to end the Fed, and Bobert is ALL for it!

Lizzie: "Anger will spill over into Violence, for as Bruce says so often, if you have nothing to lose, then you feel you have everything to gain..

It is my belief we are now in the middle of World War III."

Ah, you're onto something there....but the guys who are staging it are the finance boys funding BOTH sides and playing them against the middle! What they want is complete control, digital (cashless)money, and microchips IN all their 'citizens'...and death to all those who will oppose them.
That is not too hard to figure out.
The next balloon to burst, is the surprise when a lot of you wake up!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 12:47 AM

Saw a great bumpersticker:

I'll accept that corporations are people when Texas executes one.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 12:46 AM

"Michael Moore supports the protest." A Hollywood producer who really gives a shit about humanity. The USA could use more like him. Every idiot who shot down Obama's health reform should be sentenced to a month of watching Sicko.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Janie
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 12:17 AM

Good on you, Suffet, and thanks for sharing your views as well as your experiences.

I doubt, however, based on news reports, that everyone involved with OWS demonstrations share either your expressed view in your last post or ake's view that capitalism is the root of all evil. My understanding is the protests are about unregulated capitalism, i.e. capitalism run riot. Very different from a paradigm that philosophically opposes capitalism and considers it an entirely "wrong,"entirely exploitive, or entirely ineffective socioecomic philosophy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 08:01 PM

The average net worth of the incoming freshmen House of Representatives (mostly Tea Party) was $1.4M... Richest of any freshman class in the history of the US...

And these people hate taxes... Duhhhhh!!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 07:52 PM

September 20, 2011

President Obama continued laying what may be more groundwork for his re-election campaign Monday, including a new tax proposal. He calls it the "Buffett rule": a new tax on people making more than $1million a year, who currently pay a much lower rate than an average middle-class American. The president, in fact, proposed this rule to a group of people with a lot of millionaires in it.

The number of Americans who are millionaires is pretty low — about 1 percent of the population. Members of Congress who are millionaires? Nearly 50 percent.

That's according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan watchdog group that tracks money in politics.

Of the 435 members of the House, "244 current members of Congress are millionaires — that's about 46 percent and that includes 138 Republicans and 106 Democrats," says Center for Responsive Politics spokesman Michael Beckel.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 07:50 PM

In response to akenaton...

What these people are protesting about is capitalism....they dont know it and if they did could never say it and be taken seriously.

They say it all the time. There are a handful of libertarians who are part of Occupy Wall Street, and they defend capitalism per se, but say that it has become corrupted. Most of the participants, however, agree that the modern corporate capitalist system is what we are up against. I doubt that many believe it can be overthrown right away, but they do believe that some serious structural reform within capitalism is possible. Of course this is only my impression from what I have seen and heard. You will have to ask them yourself.

Any attempt to remove the Capitalist systen will be met with extreme force.....and dont think that is a joke, many thousands will die.

Certainly any attempt to remove the capitalist system by force will be dealt with that way, which is why I heard just about no Weather Underground style revolutionary posturing at Occupy Wall Street. And the little that I did hear came from old-timers, not from the young people. They understand that any armed insurrection would more likely come from the Right than from the Left. And even if there were a fully organized armed revolutionary movement, it would not only face the US Armed Forces, but it would also have to fight civilian law enforcement agencies (federal, state, local), Right-wing militia, private paramilitary security outfits such as Blackwater, organized crime syndicates, drug cartels, and if all else fails to stop them, the combined forces of NATO. In other words, it cannot be done. So the only viable alternative is nonviolent resistance, even if it is just for tactical reasons. This is what the Occupy Wall Street FAQs have to say: Finally, but crucially: This movement is comprised of thousands of people who have committed themselves to nonviolence. The one thing the powers that be understand and employ incredibly effectively around the world is the power of violence. We aim to offer a different model: a model of nonviolent direct democracy.

For fuck sake wake up.....dont you realise you are facing "the Empire".....you are not on a Sunday School picnic.

People are waking up, and many are already wide awake. The choice now is whether or not to be part of the process. If you have something to say, then say it from within. Shouting from the sidelines doesn't do any good.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 07:27 PM

Just returned from OccupyCharlotte rally and was very impressed at just how well it was organized... The younginz don't need us ol' 60's radicals tellin' 'um nuthin'... They have it down... I'm still trying to get the hand signals down but the entire way they communicate is so democratic that Tom Jefferson would love to see it...

We'll be doing it again next Saturday... One thing that was missing was drums... We always had 'um in the 60s and there were plenty in DC during the Stop-George-Bush-Insanity rallies in the Mad-dash-to-Iraq days... We need more noise... I'll make me a paint-can drum for the next one...

But all in all, very good for the first lap around the track...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 06:36 PM

Greg F. I hold no brief at all for the Tea Party---just pointing out that they provided a model for having some political clout.
The magic word is FOCUS.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 06:32 PM

folks who were angry and frustrated about the conditions they were living under

You bet, Dick - and they had voted for the people that created the conditions they were living under, and they KEEP voting for them, against their own interests.

Sounds like morons to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 06:07 PM

Make that "But if you believe he can buy influence that way,.."

--- Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Janie
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 02:40 PM

Dick,

Think Occupy Wall St. is a phase?.

It's more personal than ideological

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 02:30 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble, pdq, but...

* President Obama did not endorse Occupy Wall Street. All he said is that he understands why lots of people feel frustrated. Other politicians have voiced similar sentiments.

• The protesters are in fact very well organized, and supplied with food and clothing. But that is because they are self-organized. There are no outsiders giving the movement direction. If you actually saw the encampment and how it governs and takes care of itself, that notion would be completely absurd. The only direction comes from the General Assembly, in which everyone has an equal voice.

• There are no bullhorns at the Occupy Wall Street encampment, since the Occupy Wall Street encampment does not have a permit for electrical amplification. Instead, the people use human amplification. The speaker says one short phrase at a time, and then the crowd repeats what he or she just said. It is a very effective system.

• Yes, the people you call "the usual Hollywood suspects" have indeed been showing up and giving talks. But so can anyone, including you. Just go to the table near the west side of Liberty Plaza and sign up for a time slot, and then you will get your chance to address the multitudes. Whether or not many people will listen to you is, however, an open question. There are also informal speeches and discussions going on all the time. For these you need not sign up for a time slot. Just show up and start talking.

* I am no fan of George Soros, and although he might be a political ally on particular issues he still represents one wing of the corporate elite. However, he is not bankrolling Occupy Wall Street. Support has come from countless thousands of small donations. If Soros would like to make a donation, he is welcome to do so. But if you believe he can by influence that way, let alone control, then you have no idea how Occupy Wall Street functions.

--- Steve Suffet

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:39 AM

The people who voted the millionaire Tea Party candidates did so because the Tea Party candidates promised "jobs, jobs, jobs"... Everything was about jobs... Then once elected, the millionaire Tea Part candidates tore off their sheep clothing and cranked up their hidden agendas and used "eastern elitist pinhead" class warfare on the educated to appease their dupes...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: kendall
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:37 AM

"The Capitalist will sell the rope that hangs him." (Karl Marx)

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: pdq
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:02 AM

Obama gave an enthusiastic endorsement to the Wall Street protestors.

That is because he is and "activist" and not an executive at all.

The protestors are carfully organized and supplied with food, warm clothing, bull horns, and direction where they are supposed to "protest".

Machael Moore, Susan Saran Rap and the usual Hollywood suspects are showing up and giving pep talks. The bills will be paid by George Soros out of the $12 billion he has accumulated by short-selling America's business comunity, the people who employed the millions who are now unemployed. What a stupid game.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:01 AM

Greg F.-
The ignorant morons who voted were a bunch of folks who were angry and frustrated about the conditions they were living under. Point is, that they developed political clout by focusing (or being focused by manipulative forces) on some specific, concrete demands.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 10:37 AM

"For fuck sake wake up.....dont you realise you are facing "the Empire".....you are not on a Sunday School picnic."

The thought has crossed my mind. So has the following from an essay by Tom Paine.

"I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent. Neither have I so much of the infidel in me, as to suppose that He has relinquished the government of the world, and given us up to the care of devils; and as I do not, I cannot see on what grounds the king of Britain can look up to heaven for help against us: a common murderer, a highwayman, or a house-breaker, has as good a pretence as he."

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 09:26 AM

they supplied the campaign money----Where do you think the votes came from?

Ignorant morons?

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 09:25 AM

Nah, Ake, ol' buddy... Revolution doesn't have to mean loss of life... All the progressive movement needs is just some "microphone time" to counter the corporate propaganda machine... People just haven't been presented with progressive ideas going back to the late 60s, early 70s when the corporations squashed the last progressive movement...

So what we have are a lot of highly brainwashed people who are voting against their own interests... People aren't stupid... They are mis-informed...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 03:50 AM

"My overall impression is that the Occupy Wall Street encampment is an incredibly well organized event, considering how many people are involved. The system of leaderless horizontal democracy is working very well. Food is plentiful, nutritious, and tasty. Warm clothing, socks, hats, tarps, blankets, sleeping bags, etc, are freely available. There is a library, a media center, child care, a communications center, all sorts of training, and more."

For fuck sake wake up.....dont you realise you are facing "the Empire".....you are not on a Sunday School picnic.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 03:40 AM

and please dont cite the demise of the Soviet Union as an example

The people who controlled Communism had no vested interest in the system, unlike the Capitalists, who will never walk away.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 03:23 AM

Capitalism, even at grass roots level is driven to a certain extent by greed and exploitation.
What these people are protesting about is capitalism....they dont know it and if they did could never say it and be taken seriously.

Any form of revolution would require the loss of life, personal property and what passes here for liberty.

Little Hawk said months ago, that we are not yet desperate enough to become revolutionaries......what is happening right now is a little posing and play acting.....whistling in the dark, or as I mentioned earlier, X Factor politics.

Any attempt to remove the Capitalist systen will be met with extreme force.....and dont think that is a joke,
many thousands will die.

I hope sense prevails and we understand that systemic change can only be effected by long term unity.....not short term divisiveness.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 12:22 AM

American politics is a total basket case but Chongo Chimp is a shining light at the end of the tunnel. In Canada we have a leader who wants to copy the American system and the end of the tunnel remains dark. Wall Street is an emblem of corporate greed that controlls the political puppet strings, so that is a great place to protest the screwing of the common folk! Power to the people!

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:45 PM

Well, dick... I hate if but the fact is that the candidate who spends the most $$$ wins 90% of the time...

This is part of what the OWS movement is about...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:43 PM

Great, Steve! Thanks for that!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:37 PM

Bobert-
"Yes, the Koch brothers and Dick Armey threw hundreds of millions of dollar$$$ into hundreds of campaigns and got a lot of "their" people elected..."

Agreed. But they supplied the campaign money----Where do you think the votes came from?

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:14 PM

Right on, Steve!!!

Power to the people!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Suffet
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 08:56 PM

Greetings:

My wife Marilyn and I just got home after spending part of four of the past five days at the Occupy Wall Street encampment at Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Plaza) in New York City. Most of the time I have been singing, mostly Woody Guthrie songs but also a few of my own and a couple of labor union standards such as Which Side Are You On? Other times I have just been wandering around, listening to speakers and performers, or talking with people.

At one point this past Tuesday, Ron Jacobson, a libertarian reporter, interviwed me. Here is a clickable link to a video of that interview. For some reason Jacobson identified me as a union leader, although I had told him that I was never more than a rank and file member.

My overall impression is that the Occupy Wall Street encampment is an incredibly well organized event, considering how many people are involved. The system of leaderless horizontal democracy is working very well. Food is plentiful, nutritious, and tasty. Warm clothing, socks, hats, tarps, blankets, sleeping bags, etc, are freely available. There is a library, a media center, child care, a communications center, all sorts of training, and more.

What is especially impressive is the method of public speaking without electrical amplification. The speaker says one short phrase at a time, and then everyone in the crowd near the speaker repeats what he or she just said. It's instant human amplification. What a brilliant idea!

Let me just add that I haven't felt this optimistic in a long, long time.

--- Steve Suffet

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 08:11 PM

I guess this all comes down to defining success... Yes, the Koch brothers and Dick Armey threw hundreds of millions of dollar$$$ into hundreds of campaigns and got a lot of "their" people elected...

The problem is that these people were other rich people and not the grassroots kinda folks... In incoming freshmen House class is the richest class in history with an average net worth of $1.4M...

So success??? Not on a grassroots level but on the corporate level...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 08:01 PM

Guest999-
If you don't think the Tea Party has been successful, how do you explain what's been happening in Congress, or the tone of the Republican Primary campaigns?

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:56 PM

"Tee Wall Street protesters should learn from their successful methods.."

That's just it. The Tea Party wasn't successful.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:27 PM

The Tea Party very likely started out as a grass roots organization (or dis-organization)---it had no real effect until it was taken over and directed by organizations like Fox. What made it possible for them to have the power they have is that its disparate members (simple-minded libertarians, Conservative Christian activists, and general malcontents)simplified their message to "Cut Spending and taxes"and pressured candidates in local elections and primary fights, even though the Tea Party was never ver popular among the general population.
Tee Wall Street protesters should learn from their successful methods..

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:58 PM

"Real grassroots movement comes up from the street.....not from someone's well funded corporate offices."

Which is why the Tea Party is so phoney.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:07 PM

A fair amount of activity out here on the West Coast just as there is all over the United States, mirroring the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York.    CLICKY #1.

Story with pictures:    CLICKY #2.

The future:    CLICKY #3.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 02:03 PM

Yeah!! Sock it to 'em, Bobert!! :0) x

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 12:47 PM

Thanks, Lizzie... I loved that part of Bruce's career and went to hear him on his Tom Joad tour... Think that was around '96... Constitution Hall in DC... Very nice concert... All acoustic and no accompaniment...

BTW, I last saw Pete about 8 years ago at Common Ground in West minster, Md... Heck of a down to earth guy... Signed my program and actually talked with me for at least 10 minutes...

Haven't kept up with today's events because I'm outside working... Just taking a short lunch break...

Looking forward to tomorrow's meeting/rally in Charlotte... This all takes me right back to the late 60s... Lotta energy...

BoA (Bank of America) has started charging $5 a month ($60 a year) for each debit card... Thousands of people are moving their accounts out of BoA and setting up accounts with credit unions and local banks... Good... Boycott is something that a lot of non-monopoly corporations understand...

The war is "on"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 12:02 PM

Seeger 'n' Springsteen - The Ghost of Tom Joad

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:53 AM

Please, don't call me 'Liz', GfS.
Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:46 AM

And as a addendum,..There are those on here, who like to paint me as some sort of hostile creature...especially when they get their lies called on..by me, that they are NOT making ANY sense whatsoever. (The Bob and Don Show was the latest),...

The problem with your responses to other people, GfS is that you characterize well-thought and supported opinion as "lies." That is guaranteed to chafe.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 10:25 AM

Liz,
I agree with most of your post. Yes, people are angry, and like you, I have posted a bazzilion post on Mudcat, about the big globalist corporations in collusion with crooked, paid off politicians, OF BOTH PARTIES, bilking the public for everything they can...while hiking taxes, to pay for loans, for programs that they convince people are going to be used in 'representing' the people's wishes, ..but instead, use those funds to interfere with the policies of other nations, and causes...without the approval of the people that they are taxing, nor an accountability of where the monies went, or to who, of for what! ..and have put not only us in hock, but the next generations ...to which, some on here, have tried to make me out to be 'the bad guy', when I point out to them that this is corrupt and wrong! Those are the SAME people, when I was opposed to the Federal Reserve, and called for their investigation and disbandment, as did John Kennedy, called me everything in the book, then deny it. Now these same idiot-logues back the 'protesters'.....who want the elimination of the Federal Reserve!..Go figure!
Oh, how fast these people jump on the bandwagon.....oh, how fast these people become obsolete, by attaching themselves to any passing fad, who claims to 'be on their side'......even though within the last week or two, they vehemently opposed, what they now say they support!...and why?....because they very ones they are NOW supporting, have been pretentiously wrapped up in the APPEARANCES of being 'anti-corporate'..when in fact, this particular movement, is a manipulation, for the government to step in, and lay down the MAJOR crackdown, on behalf of a COMPLETE corporate/government/globalist totalitarian nightmare!
If there was the assistance of an ad company, as alluded to by ANOTHER poster, it sure would be interesting to discover WHO'S account! Who hired them, and what are their ties to them....I mean, if you want to follow the 'money trail'!
...but YES, I agree with you. People ARE angry..people are out of work...people are NOT being represented by their elected officials..but I'm not convince, in the least, that this Wall Street protestations are being formed by a 'pure' grassroots movement.....any more than I believe that the Tea Party is a 'pure' grassroots movement, nor the Democrats are representing the people who are even Democrats, nor the Republicans, the same.
Guess what?
Real grassroots movement comes up from the street.....not from someone's well funded corporate offices.
At this point, I am not convinced that this is nothing but a ploy!
Another thing, SOME of the demands are the SAME as the Tea Party's..but with a 'not-so-bright' twist......that SOUNDS appealing, but is utter nonsense, once anyone THINKS IT THROUGH....first of all the want 'absolute debt forgiveness'..then they demand everybody gets a 'living' wage, REGARDLESS of employment....where is the money going to come from, and what form of 'MONEY' are we talking about?...a LOAN???..Fiat money, just being printed??..by who??...what makes it worth anything??..what is it backed by?? LOANS?????..by who??
Sounds like the proverbial jump from the frying pan to the fire, to me! How about you?

And as a addendum,..There are those on here, who like to paint me as some sort of hostile creature...especially when they get their lies called on..by me, that they are NOT making ANY sense whatsoever. (The Bob and Don Show was the latest),...I, in NO way mean any disrespect for you and your post, nor your person..in fact, of all the people who have posted about this subject, who are leaning toward support of it all..yours makes more sense, and is, at least consistent with your prior posts....careful of those who want to jump on your bandwagon, just to interject their nonsense of hostility.

Regards,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:22 AM

So many people have lost their homes as a result of the Reaganomics melt-down that home ownership, according to NBC this morning, has now dropped to percentages not seen since the Great Depression...

BTW, here's how the ballgame is working:

Bank forecloses > rich people buy (steal) house > rich people rent house to working class = more shift of wealth to the rich...

That's happening across the country... Millions of homes have been and continue to be gobbled up by the drowning-in-cash-rich... And for 50 cents on the dollar... Don't believe me??? If you know any "honest" broker who will tell you the truth ask him or her...

The rich never cease to amaze me on just how creative they can be to cheat the working class...

B~