Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,Uncle_DaveO Date: 18 Nov 11 - 04:02 PM |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: The Doctor Date: 18 Nov 11 - 04:32 AM Hi John of Elsie's Band I didn't know about the trad version of Hartlake Bridge so thanks for that. If you're not familiar with Blossom's song it's worth seeking out. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,henryp Date: 18 Nov 11 - 02:44 AM A lovely song about logging in northern New York state - River Driving (My girl's waitin' for me) - sung by both Jeff Warner and Jeff Davis. You can now go tubing on the Sacandaga. Big French Joe and I went out To break a jam when I heard him shout 'Prenez garde' and the jam went out My girl's waitin for me Big French Joe, the logs drowned him He had no chance to fight or swim With the logs jammed up to the river's rim My girl's waitin for me |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Artful Codger Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:06 PM Hunt's song "The Bold Fisherman" is more extensive in its original. See this thread: There Was a Bold Fisherman As for the reversal--a sailor surviving--there's "Fare Thee Well, My Dearest Dear", where the one who drowns (along with most of the crew, presumably) is the sailor's true love, who insisted on going with him disguised as his cabin boy. But this occurs on the briny. There are also all the Robinson Crusoe songs, for that matter. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: dick greenhaus Date: 16 Nov 11 - 11:35 AM Bold Fisherman C G7 C / G7 / F C G7 C / F C G7 C There was a bold fisherman who sailed out from Pimlico To slew the wild codfish and the bold mackerel. When he arrived off Pimlico, the stormy winds did wildly blow His little boat went wibble, wobble, and over board sprang he. G7 C G7 / G7 C / Singing: Twinki doodle dum, twinki doodle dum, twas the highly interesting song he sung. Twinki doodle dum, twinki doodle dum sang the bold fisherman. He wriggled and scriggled in the water, so briny-O. He yellowed and bellowed for help but in vain. Then downward he did gently glide to the bottom of the silvery tide; But previously to this he cried: "Fare the well Mar-i-Jane." Singing: . . . His ghost walked at midnight to the bedside of his Mar-i-Jane He told her how dead he was; said she: "I'll go mad." "Since my love he is so dead," said she, "All joy on earth has fled for me." "I never more will happy be.", and she went raving mad. Singing: . . . |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Nov 11 - 06:56 AM Ah, yes, right, thanks Al. Fair Annie [or whoever] does indeed drown in Willie Moore, in the little stream before the farmhouse door. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,henryp Date: 16 Nov 11 - 06:43 AM Would you like a contrasting song where a ship-wrecked sailor survives? The Isle of France - Mauritius or l'Ile Maurice - another song from Nic Jones. "I'm from the Shamrock," this convict cried, "That has been tossed on the ocean wide. For being unruly, I do declare, I was doomed to transport these seven long years. "When six of them they were up and past I was coming home to make up the last. When the winds did blow and the seas did roar They cast me here on this foreign shore." |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 16 Nov 11 - 06:29 AM Heres Belafonte singing 'Judy drownded', which is about as ethnic as i care to get. http://www.myspace.com/harrybelafonte/music/songs/judy-drownded-80990400 Sweet Anna drowned in Willie Moore - well she was found at the bottom of a stream. I suppose , she might have died of food poisoning and then fell in. Willie Moore was a king, his age twenty-one, He courted a damsel fair; O, her eyes was as bright as the diamonds every night, And wavy black was her hair. He courted her both night and day, 'Til to marry they did agree; But when he came to get her parents consent, They said it could never be. She threw herself in Willie Moore's arms, As oftime had done before; But little did he think when they parted that night, Sweet Anna he would see no more. It was about the tenth of May, The time I remember well; That very same night, her body disappeared In a way no tongue could tell. Sweet Annie was loved both far and near, Had friends most all around; And in a little brook before the cottage door, The body of sweet Anna was found. She was taken by her weeping friends, And carried to her parent's room, And there she was dressed in a gown of snowy white, And laid her in a lonely tomb. Her parents now are left all alone, One mourns while the other one weeps; And in a grassy mound before the cottage door, The body of sweet Anna still sleeps. [Willie Moore never spoke that anyone heard, And at length from his friends did part, And the last heard from him, he'd gone to Montreal, Where he died of a broken heart.] This song was composed in the flowery West By a man you may never have seen; O, I'll tell you his name, but it is not in full, His initials are J.R.D.4 |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: matt milton Date: 16 Nov 11 - 05:40 AM The Loss of Seven Clergymen - an eccentric, slightly rococo, Irish song that I know from Len Graham's book. Concerns 7 priests who go fishing and drown. Contains the great line "all for to decoy the finny trout", a line I can't read without cracking a smile. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=aiQ7UAwQgDUC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=%22the+loss+of+seven+clergymen%22&source=bl&ots=tmokP8UGs4 |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: tijuanatime Date: 16 Nov 11 - 04:49 AM A song involving soldiers and drowning, but not together: Billy Don't You Weep For Me (Nic Jones) |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Nov 11 - 07:56 PM Wasn't there a West Indian song called Judy Drowned? |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Artful Codger Date: 15 Nov 11 - 05:41 PM Banks of the Ohio (he leads his ex-girlfriend down the the river at knife-point, then pitches her in--perhaps in some versions he stabs her first) The Bold Fisherman (by G.W. Hunt; the fisherman drowns in the Thames) The Leaves of the Woodlands (by Peter Bellamy, from "The Transports": the singer plans to top herself in a river) A Norrible Tale of the Suicidal Family (one of them drowns herself in the water-butt--the only manner of suicide in the entire song that seems remotely feasible) Willie Drowned in Eero/Yarrow I've read accounts of soldiers and cowboys drowning while fording rivers, but don't recall any songs specifically about this. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Nathan in Texas Date: 15 Nov 11 - 04:23 PM Two possibilities haven't been mentioned: "Down in the Willow Garden" and "Knoxville Girl." Perhaps because the coroner's reports are still pending. Definitely murder, but cause of death yet to be determined. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray Date: 15 Nov 11 - 04:14 PM Housecarpenter |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: ChillToad Date: 15 Nov 11 - 03:55 PM Not soldiers, not rivers: One Friday morn as we set sail our ship not far from land I there did espy a fair pretty maid with a comb and a glass in her hand her hand her hand with a comb and a glass in her hand And the raging seas did roar and the stormy winds did blow while we jolly sailor boys were up were up aloft and the land lubbers lying down below below below and the landlubbers lying down below . . . and she sank to the bottom of the sea the sea the sea and she sank to the bottom of the sea |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: dick greenhaus Date: 15 Nov 11 - 02:24 PM I've been drowning in traditional songs for some 65 years, and haven't died yet |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: The Sandman Date: 15 Nov 11 - 01:13 PM The Golden Vanity[Did anyone mention this (Trad - Child #286) There was a lofty ship and they put her out to sea And the name of the ship was the Golden Vanity And they sailed her on the lowland lowland low And they sailed her on the lowland sea And she had not been sailing but two weeks or three When she was overtaken by a Turkish revelry As she sailed along the lowland lowland low As she sailed along the lowland sea Then boldly up spoke our little cabin boy Saying, What would you give me if the galley I destroy If I sink them in the lowland lowland low If I sink them in the lowland sea To the man that them destroys, our captain then replied Five thousand pounds and my daughter for his bride If he'll sink them in the lowland lowland low If he'll sink them in the lowland sea The boy he made ready and overboard went he And he swam to the side of the Turkish enemy As she lay along the lowlands lowlands low As she lay along the lowland sea And he had a brace and auger made for the use And he bored nine holes in her hull all at once As she lay along the lowland lowland low As she lay along the lowland sea And some were playing poker and some were playing dice And some were in their hammocks and the sea as cold as ice And the water rushed in and it dazzled to their eyes They were sinking in the lowland sea He swam back to his ship and he beat upon the side Crying, Shipmates take me up for I'm wearied with the tide And I'm weary of the lowlands lowlands low I'm weary of the lowland sea Well, I'll not pick you up, the captain then replied I'll shoot you, I'll drown you, I'll sink you in the tide I will sink you in the lowland lowland low I will sink you in the lowland sea If it was not for the love that I bear for your men I'd do unto you as I did unto them I would sink you in the lowland lowland low I would sink you in the lowland sea And the boy bowed his head and down sank he And he said farewell to the Golden Vanity As she lay along the lowland lowland low As she lay along the lowland sea |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Nov 11 - 12:41 PM Ah, yes, indeed, "Marrow Bones" ~~ the song that Frank Purslow used as the eponym for the first of those fine collections he edited for EFDSS all those years ago! A drowning that doesn't happen is that of The Friar In The Well ~~"Help sweet love or I shall drown" ~~ who does manage to get out. It's in my mind as I sang it just last night at the 'This Is Us' CDs launch... ~M~ |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Jim Carroll Date: 15 Nov 11 - 12:24 PM Or - from the sublime to the ridiculous Jim Carroll Toon O' Kelso It was in the toon o' Kelso A lovely woman did dwell She loved her husband dearly But another man twice as well Singin, fal di la lairly, fal di la lairy, fal di la lairy, an She went doon tae the chemist's shop Some medicine for tae buy For she had resolved in her ain mind That her auld man should die She bought a dozen marrow bones And she's ground them up right sma' And before he'd eaten the half o' them He couldnae see ony at a' Im tired o' my life he cried I'm tired o' my life I think I'll awa' and drown myself And that will end this strife So down the street together they went She whistled and she sang Oh my husbands going to drown himself I'll help tae push him in Well doon the street together they went Til they came to the waters brim Said he, You'll take a great long race To help to ding me in So she went back a great lang race Tae help tae ding him in But the cunning old bugger he jumped aside And she gaed tumblin' in Oh save ma life, oh save ma life Oh save me when I call Oh how can I save your life When I canna see ony at a' Well she swam up and she swam doon Til she cam tae the waters brim But the cunning old man he got a long stick And he poked her further in Ye jaud, ye jaud, ye silly auld jaud Ye thought ye had me blind But I'll gae whistlin' hame again And another wife I'll find |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Jim Carroll Date: 15 Nov 11 - 12:15 PM From a Travelling lady. Jim Carroll In Charlestown there Lived a Lass (Roud 1414) Mary Delaney For in Charlestown there dwelled a lass, She was as constant as she was true, When the young man fell in courting her And drew her in despair. He courted her, oh, for six long months, And to him she proved unkind, Then he courted her for six long months, And by him she proved a child. "Oh, go home, go home to your dwelling place, And don't bring your parients in disgrace. Oh go home to your dwelling place And you proved with a false young man." "Now I will not go home to my dwelling place, For to bring my parients in disgrace, I would sooner go and drown myself In a dark and a lonely place." Now as Willie, he went out walking, He went out to take fresh air, And he seen his own love Mary In the waves of the silvery tide. Oh, he strips off his fine clothing, To the river brim he swum, And he brung his own love Mary From the waves of the silvery tide. "Oh Mary, darling Mary, Is this what you have done, And the last words I have said to you, I just said it for fun." Otherwise known as Floating Down the Tide; The Collier Lad; Molly and William etc.; this ballad was taken down several times in England: in Somerset, Oxfordshire, Suffolk and Dorset, and in Scotland, in Aberdeenshire. As far as we could find, there has been only one version made available from Ireland, that sung by publican Annie Mackenzie of Boho, Co Fermanagh, although the collector, Sean Corcoran, says it was widely known in that area. The English texts locate the events as taking place in Camden, Brighton or Cambridge, while in Scotland it is set in Kilmarnock, Dumbarton or Marno (Marnock, Banffshire?). A Canadian version places the location as Charlottetown, similar to Mary's Charlestown. One English version gives the unfaithful lover as a farmer's son, while the three complete Scots texts make him a collier; otherwise he is, as here, 'a false young man'. Mary's text has similarities to the two version of the song Camden Town, (Roud 564 Laws P18), recorded from English gypsies William Hughes and Nelson Ridley by Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger, particularly the verse that begins 'Now I will not go home...' |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Nov 11 - 11:44 AM Banks of Green Willow = Child #24, Bonnie Annie. She is seen swimming away; then it is promised that she shall have a coffin made of the gold that does shine yellow and that she shall be buried on Banks of Green Willow. But whether she is drowned, or even actually dead, is indeed left uncertain. You will find it on my youtube channel. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Brian Peters Date: 15 Nov 11 - 11:07 AM Did the lady and the baby drown in "Banks of Green Willow" Brian? In the version that I know the captain is pretty confident that they will do so but it remains inconclusive. The English versions tend to be a bit inconclusive, if not garbled, Dave. Sometimes she's last seen swimming towards the aforementioned Banks, but in my version she's to be buried there (the coffin, or nails, of "gold shining yellow" providing a convenient half rhyme). |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,John from "Elsie`s Band" Date: 15 Nov 11 - 11:00 AM The Doctor. The "Hartlake Bridge" song that I had in mind was the one handed down by the oral tradition in the travellers commumity. A search of that song on the internet will give chapter, verse and sung examples. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,henryp Date: 15 Nov 11 - 10:30 AM Sometimes I live in the country, Sometimes I live in town Sometimes I have a great notion To jump into the river and drown Irene goodnight, Irene goodnight, Goodnight Irene, goodnight Irene I'll see you in my dreams The Titanic Husbands and wives, Little children lost their lives Wasn't it sad when the great ship went down Wasn't that a Mighty Storm (Galveston 1900) They had two trains loaded With people trying to leave town Tracks gave way to the water now And all of those people drowned Louisiana 1927 by Randy Newman, though I think the chorus is traditional The river rose all day, The river rose all night Some people got lost in the flood, Some people got away alright The river have busted through clear down to Plaquemines Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline Louisiana, Louisiana They're tryin' to wash us away, They're tryin' to wash us away |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Mr Happy Date: 15 Nov 11 - 10:25 AM In the village of Kilgory there's a deep stream flowing by On her marriage day at midnight she drowned with her soldier boy In the cottage there is music, you can hear her father say: Step it out, Mary, my fine daughter, Sunday is your wedding day |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,matt milton Date: 15 Nov 11 - 09:49 AM "Desolation - one really strange song, and one that's perhaps not overdue for revival (I guess the 'abolitionists' verse could be skipped." If you think it's really strange now, you should hear Ewan MacColl sing it in a bizarre Woody Guthrie-gone-Australian attempt at an american accent! I've wondered about altering the abolitionists verse to this: "The captains of whalers are abolitionists They go in for amalgamation; black or white, Jew, Portuguese â€" all men are dogs on Desolation" ..or maybe even "the captain he's a liberal man/He goes in for... etc" |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray Date: 15 Nov 11 - 09:29 AM And how about Oh My Darling Clementine? Which we always used to sing to Cwm Rhonda in the Old Durham City Folk Club, led in mighty chorus by our gaffa Ian McCulloch... |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Nov 11 - 09:22 AM Surely Willie Moore died of a broken heart? ~~ either in Montreal, or beside his true love's grave. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Nov 11 - 09:13 AM Willie Moore |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray Date: 15 Nov 11 - 07:41 AM Death by drowning in traditional songs, eh? Sounds like a good way to go! Get yourself over to the National Sound Archive and dive in... Otherwise - reminds me, we still haven't recorded the version of Ford o' Kabul River we worked up for Earthbound's Kipling with the Tradition show at Fylde this year. Actually based on my earlier - er - re-imagining in which an old colonel sits by a fireside of a wild English winter night in his gout racked dotage remembering the tragic events that swept half a regiment away... I trust my fellow 'Bounders will forgive me if, in the meantime, I put my old demo from 2008 up there on the Soundcloud page in its stead?? Ford O' Kabul River : Sedayne, November 2008 |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Dave Sutherland Date: 15 Nov 11 - 07:34 AM Did the lady and the baby drown in "Banks of Green Willow" Brian? In the version that I know the captain is pretty confident that they will do so but it remains inconclusive. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,henryp Date: 15 Nov 11 - 07:26 AM Perhaps you could contrast Banks of Green Willow with Canadee-i-o. Two more songs about drowning (or not) sung by Nic Jones. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Nov 11 - 06:57 AM Running Bear - well its traditional in our house. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Brian Peters Date: 15 Nov 11 - 05:29 AM Not really what Pip was looking for, but with a thread title like this, how come no-one's mentioned The Banks of Green Willow? The most poignant of the lot! |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Nov 11 - 04:42 AM in the best possible taste:- http://www.bigalwhittle.co.uk/id22.html |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Phil Edwards Date: 15 Nov 11 - 03:38 AM That faint thudding sound you can hear is me kicking myself for forgetting "Lord Gregory". Nathan - what a way to go! |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Dave Sutherland Date: 15 Nov 11 - 03:03 AM Go to the ballads thread "Lord Gregory" then there is the Australian children's song "The Sparrow and the Emu's Egg" |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Nathan in Texas Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:30 PM When I saw the thread title, I had a momentary vision of going under for the last time in a vast ocean of traditional songs. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Phil Edwards Date: 14 Nov 11 - 05:41 PM (Actually nobody drowns in the Dolphin, either. Never mind.) |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Phil Edwards Date: 14 Nov 11 - 05:39 PM tijuanatime - excellent choices on the maritime warfare front (see also the Dolphin, & is Polly On The Shore disqualified because nobody is actually described as drowning?) Jack - that's a terrific (group of) song(s); I think I need to hear several versions before I think of tackling it. matt - hadn't thought of the New York Trader (or William Glenn); it could go well with Banks of Green Willow. I didn't know Six Dukes or Desolation - one really strange song, and one that's perhaps not overdue for revival (I guess the 'abolitionists' verse could be skipped). Not sure what you mean about the Kipling, though - the narrator's saying that a lot of men have drowned fording the river, and he's particularly upset about this because his best friend was one of them. Very like "Big Muddy" with less of a happy ending. Great thread! |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 14 Nov 11 - 01:31 PM Irish song, "...for there's dark and cold waters in the lake of Cool Finn." Not a soldier, just a lad who goes swimming early in the morning and loses his life. |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: The Sandman Date: 14 Nov 11 - 01:08 PM pincher marten |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: tijuanatime Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:50 AM Drowning, with accompanying violence: High Barbaree Henry Martin |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:47 AM "Shut up Lizzie, unless you've something to say to the point." Sorry, forgot about the No Humour Rule...do apologise... |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST,henryp Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:43 AM Another spiritual - Little Moses |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:42 AM Can hardly believe this ~ have I missed it? ~ but can find no ref above to Sir Patrick Spens! ~M~ |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: matt milton Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:41 AM I just read the Kipling poem in question. Death by drowning didn't strike me as being the dominant theme. War, apocalypse and a general portrayal of Babylonian ruin struck me as more of a theme. On that note, I would suggest Hamish Henderson's "Banks of Sicily": http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiBKSICILY;ttBKSICILY.html Or that darkest of whaler-ship songs, "Desolation": http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=120604 Though maybe Six Dukes Went A Fishing might be appropriate, bearing it springs from the discovery of a drowned body: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Dukes_Went_a-Fishing Oh of course New York Trader too, that has a sort of "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" quality to it: http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/New_York_Trader.htm |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: GUEST Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:29 AM Edward in the Lowlands low - probably doesn't count, as he was murdered by his girl's parents |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Jack Campin Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:19 AM Pharaoh's army gets drownded here: http://www.springsteenlyrics.com/lyrics/o/omarydontyouweep.php References to many versions at Roger McGuinn's site: http://www.reveries.com/folkden/oh_mary.html More variants here: http://www.bluegrassmessengers.com/545-pharaohs-army-.aspx |
Subject: RE: Death by drowning in traditional songs From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 14 Nov 11 - 07:26 AM I have announced "A muvver was washing her baby one night" as a bathing tragedy song! |
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