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Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain

skarpi 20 Oct 12 - 05:52 PM
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Subject: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 05:52 PM

Altan -- The Wind and Rain chords i need help with this one ...
all the best skarpi


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 01:37 PM

E                           A
There were two sisters came walking down the stream
D       A            E
Oh, the wind and the rain
E                     A
One behind pushed the other one in
       B       C#m      D       E
Cryin' oh, the dreadful wind and rain


from ultimateguitar


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 01:49 PM

I saw that ...
but I am wandering if altan is using DADGAD tuning ? I am not sure ..

and also I think they start the song in A ...and I turned the chords , but still something is missing ..

kv Skarpi ....


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: alex s
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 02:14 PM

Daithi Sproule usually plays in DADGAD.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 12:16 PM

Hello, skarpi. I'm interested in the song, and I'm making a MIDI of the version on YouTube. (Search for Altan the wind and the rain.)

It's in the key of D. It's pretty low - the singer is an alto. The first three syllables ("there were two") seem to be pick-up notes.

I have to leave the mudcat and to take a friend to the doctor. I'll be back later today, so I hope you check later on to see what I've figured out.

I think this would make a nice flute tune as well as a ballad.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 01:01 PM

Hi Leeneia ..., ja well this tune is a good one and yes it could be a nice flute tune as well , ...I have been on you tupe ...I am afraid I am not good enough to figure this out 100 % ,but I am trying O) ..

Yes after listen to it again its in D ...

thanks again ..
Skarpi .


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 06:05 PM

Here's what I get:

[pick up notes. no chord] There were two
A/ sis-ters
G/ tum tee tu-
A/ um.
G/O the
D/wind and
A/rain.
D/One was dark and the* o-ther was fair.
Em/O the dread-ful*
G/wind and ra--
A/ ain

a * means that the note is dissonant.

Thoughts on this song: The singer on YouTube is going too fast. Even after listening many times, I can't figure out the words that come after 'sisters.' I think it sounds too cheerful and businesslike to be about a drowning.

I'm pretty sure that when this song was sung in the old days, the listeners joined in to sing 'Oh the wind and rain' and also 'O the dreadful wind and rain.' And after a while, a few people would make up a little harmony on those words. That's how we do it here in Kansas City. It helps pass the long, damp nights as we huddle around the fireplaces in our drafty old castles.

It was hard to figure out the note lengths from that recording. I'm not sure I have them right even after trying for a long time.


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Subject: RE: LYR ADD The Wind and Rain- Altan
From: maeve
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 06:18 PM

These seem sufficiently different from the two versions I found in the DT. Lyrics as posted at the following YouTube link: Altan -- The Wind and Rain - Mairéad Ní Mhaonaigh vocalist

"The Wind and Rain"               Altan- Mairéad Ní Mhaonaigh


THE WIND AND RAIN
(as sung by Altan)

There were two sisters of County Clare
Oh, the wind and rain
One was dark and the other was fair
Oh, the dreadful wind and rain

And they both had the love of the miller's son
Oh, the wind and rain
But he was fond of the fairer one
Oh, the dreadful wind and rain

So she pushed her into the river to drown
Oh, the wind and rain
And watched her as she floated out
Oh, the dreadful wind and rain

She floated 'til she came to the miller's pond
Oh, the wind and rain
Dead on the water like a golden swan
Oh, the dreadful wind and rain

And she came to rest on the riverside
Oh, the wind and rain
And her bones were washed by the rolling tide
Oh, the dreadful wind and rain

And along the road came a fiddler fair
Oh, the wind and rain
And found her bones just lying there
Oh, the dreadful wind and rain

So he made a fiddle peg of her long finger bone
Oh, the wind and rain
He made a fiddle peg of her long finger bone
Crying, oh, the dreadful wind and rain

And he strung his fiddle bow with her long yellow hair
Oh, the wind and rain
He strung his fiddle bow with her long yellow hair
Crying, oh, the dreadful wind and rain

And he made a little fiddle of her little breast bone
Oh, the wind and rain
He made a fiddle of her little breast bone
Crying, oh, the dreadful wind and rain

But the only tune that the fiddle would play
Was oh, the wind and rain
The only tune that the fiddle would play
Was oh, the dreadful wind and rain


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Oct 12 - 08:38 PM

I got too version one in D and the other is in A ...and the third in E ...now E version is not good ...something is missing there ...

Aversion ....is better I like it ....but still some thing is bothering me still ......I ´ll find out soon ...I this what you gave out here


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 04:15 AM

now this is my version after last night ...

A                        G       D
There were two sisters of County Clare
G       D       A
Oh the wind and rain
A                   G         D
one was dark and the other was fair
Em      F#m      G       A
oh the dreadful wind and rain ..

or the last line is

Em      G                A
oh the dreadful wind and rain ..


now this is what i hear and my guitar is in normal tuning ..

this is going to be my nest task in guitar school next week ..





all the best Skarpi ...


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 04:56 AM

the F#m is wrong .....


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: Brian Peters
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 06:21 AM

"two sisters from County Clare"

It's not what the questioner was asking for, but maybe it should be mentioned that 'County Clare' has apparently been tacked on to an American version of the 'Two Sisters' ballad, to give it an Irish location. In fact the ballad, though very popular in Britain and North America, was found very rarely in Ireland. Even in America, 'Wind and Rain' accounts for only a tiny number of the many versions of 'Two Sisters', most of which have a 'Bow Down' chorus.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 10:00 AM

The version of this song which is on YouTube and is performed by Altan is in the key of D, but the first and last chords are A's. That puts it in the Mixolydian mode. That's quaint, but it doesn't change anything about performing it.

Another thing about it is that it's pretty low. Its lowest note is the A below middle C. If a soprano or tenor wanted to sing it, it would be a good idea to transpose it to a new key. The chord transposing wheel, which you find on the net somewhere, would come in handy here.

When I sing music, I like to think about the 'pipe and drum' idea. This is the idea that we can add variety by making some phrases flute-like and others percussive. This song seems to beg us to make the first 'o the wind and rain' flute-like and flowing. The phrase 'o the dreadful wind and rain' is a great one to make percussive. Especially the thick, thudding word 'dreadful.'

It's another way to pass a long, clammy night.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:00 AM

Brian where can I get the old version then ?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:02 AM

right , :O) ...takk fyrir þetta ....


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: maybelle_fan
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 11:12 AM

My band Second Wind recorded this last year. We use a E-A-D-A-E progression that rolls nicely while we sing the whole thing in harmony, capoed one fret for the kwy of F. I'm a contralto, while the other lady is an alto, and accompanied by a single guitar. It works. This is a grand song done in harmony or as a solo with drama and drive.


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: Brian Peters
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:17 PM

Skarpi, there's one version right here on this site:
Dan Tate's 'Wind and Rain'

A copy of Kilby Snow's lyrics, on which the Grateful Dead's version was based, is here:
Kilby Snow's version

Altan's seems to use some lines from old Scots copies in Child's collection, such as the making of the fiddle from her breast bone, and one or two lines they may have composed themselves. The whole business of the magical fiddle fashioned from body parts is interesting, as this part of the story had disappeared from most of the versions collected in the 20th century, which usually end with the miller pushing the woman back into his pond, and getting hung for murder. 'The Wind and Rain' is unusual in that it does include the fiddle.

Texts from the Child Ballad collection


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: Mysha
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:35 PM

Hi,

No relevance to the chords actually used by anyone, but seeing the title, I started singing the song and, well, I had a guitar standing next to me, so this is what came out:

There (A)were two (A)sisters a-(G)coming down a (A)stream
(G)Oh the (-)wind and (A)rain (A)
the (A)one be-(A)hind pushed the (D)other one (D)in, crying
(Em)oh, the (-)dreadful (-)wind and (A)rain.

Well, works for me. But probably only worth mentioning for the three no-chords I felt the melody asked for. Now that I'm typing it: These are the mentions of "wind". Apparently, they are different, somehow.

Things like that always make me wonder whether the tune mentioned in the song really existed, in this case whether there really was/is a tune called "The Dreadful Wind and Rain".

Bye
                                                                Mysha
(Does this mean I've done my first own arrangement?)


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 12:52 PM

Yes, it does mean you have done your own first arrangement. Congratulations!

As for the tune mentioned in the song, I doubt it it ever existed. But wouldn't it be wonderful it someone found it?


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Altan -- The Wind and Rain
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 12 - 01:49 PM

right , now I will listen again and find out my version of it
thanks all ...

p.s I think I will use Altan lyric ....and play it a little slower to begin with ........


kv Skarpi Iceland .


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