Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow

Subject: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 09:43 AM

Anyone know of a song 'Where the Allow River (Co. Cork) Flows'?
Help would be much appreciated
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 05:26 PM

I did a little checking, Jim, and I found that the river that flows through Cork is called the Lee in English and An Laoi in Irish. But I couldn't find a song about the An Laoi or the Anlow.

All I did was learn a little geography.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 05:37 PM

Jim, do a Google of

"Where the Allow River Flows"

Leave the quotation marks on.

Both the song and the CD are mentioned.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:47 AM

Jim, Theres a CD by the title "Where the Allow Waters Flow" by a singer called Elle Marie O'Dwyer. It might be worth checking out!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 04:28 AM

Thanks all - will check it out when the head clears - slowly getting over a (second) launch of Tim and John Lyons' CD 'Easy and Bold' - also worth checking out.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 07:22 AM

Thanks again - followed your advice J. and found it on U-Tube by Elle Marie O'Dwyer
Once more - the miracle of Mudcat
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: Artful Codger
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 12:02 AM

The tune seems to be one of those warhorses recycled ad nauseam, though the name of a classic example isn't coming to mind. "Van Dieman's Land", maybe? All I know is that, having heard the first half of the first line, I gave a sigh of recognition: "Spare us!" The saving grace was O'Dwyer's voice--remarkable--though I personally would have preferred to hear her without the ambient Enyatronics.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: GUEST,Joe Offer, on the road again
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 01:50 AM

What I found was Where the Allow Waters Flow, recorded very nicely by Elle Marie O Dwyer on Claddagh Records.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 04:03 AM

Art:
"The tune seems to be one of those warhorses"
Have to confess that I quite like the tune, no matter how many times it's been used; I associate it with Dobbin's Flowery Vale.
The song itself is not usually the type I'd break my neck to search out, but again, I found enough detail in it to hold my attention.
I agree entirely with you about the electronic wallpaper that the singer is singing against, which for me, only serves (as a negative example) to emphasise how beautiful the solo, unaccompanied voice can be, especially one like Ms O'Dwyer's.
Anyway, I have no doubt I shall be hearing the song regularly as the enquirer is a local publican where our regular music/singing session happens every Wednesday - now I only have to find her 'The Jogger From Clare' to win my free pint - cheers all!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 04:15 AM

Any chance it's the following?

Clare's song - Fiddle Time Joggers

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 04:26 AM

Hold out for two pints, Jim - one per song.
It's only fair.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 04:58 AM

Listen to Joe, Jim. At the rate this is going, at least you'll have one pint to drink.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: GUEST,C-J McErlean
Date: 02 Oct 16 - 08:08 AM

Despite all the comments above does anyone have the lyrics to this song?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song Where the Allow River Flows
From: cnd
Date: 02 Oct 16 - 11:27 AM

It was written by Con Herbert

Source http://claddaghrecords.com/index.php/elle-marie-o-dwyer-where-the-allow-waters-flow.html

Also, here's the video on YouTube, but you need someone familiar with all the towns and stuff she's listing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF1Cr6Cg0gk

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 17 - 10:50 AM

The other song you are looking for is "Jobber from Clare"

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Sep 19 - 02:20 AM

Has anyone got the lyrics please

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 27 Sep 19 - 06:40 AM

I was unaware of this singer until seeing this revived thread today.

I don't mind the accompaniment on that title track on YouTube, as it's very low in pitch so doesn't mask the words. So I went looking for the CD to find it's unavailable (except one secondhand copy on Amazon at a ridiculous price). But it is available to download from here, where you can listen to a short sample of each track.

Having listened to a few of them, however, I now can only agree with Jim: lovely singer, shame about the accompaniment.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: leeneia
Date: 27 Sep 19 - 12:24 PM

Guys, when a person with no money wants to make music today, s/he turns to an electronic keyboard. That's what Elle has done here, and the music is fine. I'm pleased, as well, with how many words I can understand.

One hundred years ago, such a person turned to a penny whistle or a cheap fiddle, and y'all fall down and worship the authenticity.

Your snobbery is another form of The Great You Shut Up.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:29 AM

Still wondering if anyone had the lyrics to : Whete the river allow flows, please

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 30 Sep 19 - 12:44 AM

Try asking for lyrics at

Elle Marie O Dwyer Music

on Facebook.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: leeneia
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 01:57 AM

Here's a rough draft of the lyrics. Town names are uncertain. Allow rhymes with fallow. Verse 3 seems to be about a sport. What is it?

O now tonight, my comrades bright, come listen to my tale
of bygone days in memories haze of greenmounts (?) lovely days
oh the the friends so true that we once knew as to manhood we did grow
as we wandered free over hill and lea where the Allow waters flow.

2 at welship (?) cross we would pitch and toss till the twilight hours - ??
and with moonlight gleams over joyful streams we would homeward wind our way

as with colleens fair beyond compare a-wandering we would go
[words in Irish] where the Allow waters flow

3. from Terence Cross to Knockanglas we oft-times made our way
sweet Roscommon to Morton's Lawn, all eager for the fray
with skill and dash we would heave the ash as we struggled with each foe.
with might and grace for our native place where the Allow Waters flow.

4. [Verse is half Irish, half English. Didn't transcribe]

5.But now, asthore, we see no those golden days of of youth
and when, alas, my soul shall pass unto the land the truth
on the chapel hill just lay me still over freemounts (?) town below
so I can still can hear both loud and clear, those Allow waters flow.

===========
See Joe Offer's post of Nov 1, 2012 for a blue clicky to the recording I got these words from.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 11:58 AM

"Verse 3 seems to be about a sport." I'd guess it is hurley. The sticks used for that sport are made from ask.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 11:58 AM

ash. (DOH)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: leeneia
Date: 01 Oct 19 - 01:32 PM

Thanks for the info, Starship. I'm sure that's the answer.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 19 - 02:59 AM

Thank you so much for your efforts with lyrics. Much appreciated: Catherine in Melbourne

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: leeneia
Date: 02 Oct 19 - 12:02 PM

You're very welcome, Catherine. It's nice to know that the song is being kept alive.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 19 - 10:32 PM

I’d still love to have the complete lyrics.please

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 09:57 AM

I tried. There are numerous mistakes in what leeneia transcribed, but I couldn't do the Irish words & names of places either, so maybe there's a more Irish person around.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 10:12 AM

Try asking for lyrics at

Elle Marie O Dwyer Music

on Facebook.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 03 Oct 19 - 11:32 AM

A few days ago leenia said
> Guys, when a person with no money wants to make music today, s/he turns to an electronic keyboard. That's what Elle has done here, and the music is fine. I'm pleased, as well, with how many words I can understand.

> One hundred years ago, such a person turned to a penny whistle or a cheap fiddle, and y'all fall down and worship the authenticity.

> Your snobbery is another form of The Great You Shut Up

Sorry, you have entirely misunderstood my concern. It's nothing to do with one accompanying instrument being more or less authentic than another. It's whether the accompaniment enhances or degrades the overall experience of hearing the song (a subject much discussed on some other threads). If the accompaniment prevents me from hearing all the words clearly that is a big negative for me. There are some situations where the overall musical sound is more important than understanding all the words (e.g. much of opera) but this isn't one of them.

Other listeners are of course fully entitled to their own opinions.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Where the Allow Waters Flow
From: leeneia
Date: 04 Oct 19 - 12:43 PM

Nice try, Richard. But comments like "Enyatronics" and "electric wallpaper" are meant simply to be snide.

Not everybody has a handful of talented friends to produce acoustic accompaniments.