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BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank

Herga Kitty 20 Nov 12 - 07:06 AM
theleveller 20 Nov 12 - 07:40 AM
John MacKenzie 20 Nov 12 - 07:50 AM
GUEST,Philippa 20 Nov 12 - 07:53 AM
theleveller 20 Nov 12 - 08:21 AM
GUEST, Sminky 20 Nov 12 - 08:42 AM
Lonesome EJ 20 Nov 12 - 11:15 AM
evansakes 20 Nov 12 - 11:35 AM
Leadfingers 20 Nov 12 - 12:02 PM
John MacKenzie 20 Nov 12 - 12:29 PM
Lonesome EJ 20 Nov 12 - 12:32 PM
GUEST,Allan Conn 20 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM
GUEST,Rog Peek 20 Nov 12 - 12:53 PM
John MacKenzie 20 Nov 12 - 01:19 PM
GUEST,Big Al Whittle 20 Nov 12 - 03:44 PM
Stewie 20 Nov 12 - 08:59 PM
Lonesome EJ 21 Nov 12 - 02:40 AM
Splott Man 21 Nov 12 - 04:23 AM
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Dave Hanson 21 Nov 12 - 04:36 AM
John MacKenzie 21 Nov 12 - 04:39 AM
GUEST,Graham Bradshaw 21 Nov 12 - 05:08 AM
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Subject: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 07:06 AM

I've just been listening to Blues Run the Game on BBC Radio 4 - a very interesting and very sad account of the life of Jackson C Frank, with contributions from British artists who met him when he came to London in the 1960s as well as some of his American friends. It'll be repeated on Saturday afternoon, at 3.30pm GMT.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 07:40 AM

Damn, missed it. I'll try to listen on Saturday. Brilliant songwriter - I remember him at Les Cousins in the 60s.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 07:50 AM

I met Jackson in those days too, although it was just a nodding aquaintanceship.
It certainly took me back, I went to a lot of the same venues, and met many of those mentioned, so it was a real nostalgia trip for me.
One name mentioned that I think must have been wrong, was John Martyn. I remember him in London clubs, in the late 70's and 80's, but I don't think he was around in '65. Although he was born in '48, so could have been.
Anyway apart from all my maudlin reminiscing, I heartily recommend those who missed it, seek it out on Radio 4's listen again facility. Great programme.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 07:53 AM

It's probably also on bbc online "listen again" archives for a week. I actually want to listen a second time as I didn't take everything in. I wonder whether Jackson' s one lp is available (in any format) and I should have a look on youtube as the programme mentioned a tv documentary about the singer songwriter. He played with well-known people like Sandy Denny and Paul Simon, but fell on hard times and had emotional/mental problems. At least he didn't give up his music completely and had some sort of a comeback.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 08:21 AM

"I wonder whether Jackson' s one lp is available (in any format)"

Yes, it's available on CD with some extra tracks - and very good it is, too.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 08:42 AM

If you buy the CD you'll notice that the cover has JCF's signature - that's because when they tried to find the original album cover the only one that came to light was owned by Bert Jansch - and he had got JCF to sign it.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:15 AM

If the program is archived, any information on accessing it would be greatly appreciated.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: evansakes
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:35 AM

On BBC iplayer here


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Leadfingers
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:02 PM

Fascinating - And VERY Sad the way he ended !


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:29 PM

Seems pretty clear to me, that he suffered from what is now called PTSD. He should have been treated as a child, after such an horrendous episode as that school fire. I knew he'd been in a fire, the scars were there to be seen, but I never knew the circumstances till I heard this programme.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:32 PM

Thanks, twick!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM

I downloaded the album several months ago from Napster. Impressive!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST,Rog Peek
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 12:53 PM

Read his story some time ago, can't remember where. Very sad, it's difficlt to imagine what some people go through in life.

I have the CD, contains some excellent songs. My son regularly sings some of his songs. He sang 'Milk and Honey' (with some small changes to the lyrics) in the church at my mother's funeral, a lovely song, she would have been very proud.


Rog


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 01:19 PM

I can't find my copy of the vinyl, looks like it may have been "removed". Can't remember seeing it for years, so no idea what happened to it. Anyway, I have ordered the CD from Amazon, it's sure to be in better condition than my LP was. It'll be nice to hear Kimbie again, which was another song he sang that I like.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 03:44 PM

O God that madest this beautiful earth, when will it be ready to accept thy saints? How long, O Lord, how long?

last lines of St Joan by Shaw.
Often feel that when hearing the tales of how the folk scene takes care of its own.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Stewie
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 08:59 PM

Herga Kitty, many thanks for posting the link. I recall there was a lengthy article in 'Folk Roots' many years ago telling the tragic story of his life.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 02:40 AM

What an amazing flash of lightning he was. Thanks for the link. Enjoyed very much


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Splott Man
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 04:23 AM

I've only just bought the CD in October, and it's been a wonderful journey back. I had the LP in the 60s, goodness knows who I lent it to. Listening again I could sing along with most of it.
I never dropped Blues Run the Game from my repertoire.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Splott Man
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 04:25 AM

...oh and John, I remember John Martyn at the Crypt in Richmond, it would have been 1971, it was on my birthday.

Splott Man


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 04:36 AM

I bought' The Blues Run The Game ' extended [ double ] CD in a charity shop in Ilkley for £1.00 most of it is just fill in rubbish, but his good songs are great songs.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 04:39 AM

Well to digress somewhat. I lived just around the corner from the Crypt, on Hill Rise, and I still occasionally see Ian Shircore who ran it. Went there myself many times. John lived in New Malden, so it would be near home for him. I don't remember him quite that early, but hey, I can't remeber why I opened the fridge door sometimes.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST,Graham Bradshaw
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 05:08 AM

Further light on the John Martyn connection.

Ian's (JM's real name) mum lived just up the road from the Surbiton Assembly Rooms. Ian also had a bedsit round the corner somewhere (can't remember the road), and occasionally used to do a floor spot at the Surbiton club. NOt really his type of club though.

This was from about 1965. Later in 1969, I met my soon to become wife Denise, who also lived in Surbiton, and she was big friends with Ian and his mum. We used to visit mum regularly, but by then Ian's career had taken off and he had moved away from Surbiton. I met him a couple of times but was never part of his circle.

So, yes he was around at that time.

Saw JCF once at the Folk Barge in Kingston - don't think he ever appeared at Surbiton. Jack was with Sandy at the time.

Graham


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 05:33 AM

Thanks Graham. I was a regular at Surbiton, but obviously later than John/Ian.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: scouse
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 05:47 AM

Yeah I can remember John doin' a gig down in Southampton in the late 60's.. young thing wet behind the ears.. but boy when he got hold of that guitar he played way beyond his years.. heard him do "Seven Black Roses." I knew then a prince to the guitar had been born.

As Aye,

Phil.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 06:23 AM

Very interesting programme.But to me the general atmosphere didn't quite ring true. A modern journalist's idea of how the 60's should have been, rather than how it was. I don't know when or whether John Martyn was hanging around playing in all those coffee bars, but that did not seem to me quite the authentic London of 1965.But one thing was for sure true: everybody was singing "Blues run the game" as soon as it came out!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 08:08 AM

Some of us are still singing it ;)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST,big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 08:18 AM

Yes i loved the song from first hearing. A schoolmate of mine played it at the end of Christmas term concert in 1965 - that's the first time I heard it. It was in a folk magazine that month.

I was sixteen - had no idea what room service meant, but a life of sin - well I was up for that.

Unlike Bert Jansch's stuff - you didn't need to be a guitar whizz to play it - though it helped! (that F with thumb on the sixth string, whilst playing am7 was tricky, rather than difficult).

When you write something beautiful like that for us all to play. I reckon they should give you a nice place to live in the country and a modest pension - you've done your bit for humanity. Just like someone who has built a great building, or done a great painting. few of us will ever do anything as good.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST,Stagethyme
Date: 01 Dec 12 - 03:26 PM

Having TOTALLY missed the radio programme (Only finding out via a random click on The Sandy Denny site):( . Does anyone know where an archive of the show might reside anywhere on the net?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Dec 12 - 03:41 PM

Not currently available on BBC Listen Again I'm afraid.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 12 - 03:47 PM

Ref John Martyn, he was certainly working in London with an agent in 1967 according to the Shelagh McDonald interview in the current Froots. She'd known him in Scotland earlier, and says:

This was 1967. So while I was down in London I was walking in Chelsea one day, and this big red bus stops and out steps John Martyn in his blue denim jacket and blue jeans and his curly hair, looking like a cherub. So we ran towards each other, sort of mock Wuthering Heights thing in the King's Road, and he said 'I'm going down to see my agent, why don't you come along?' So that was how I met Sandy Glennon...

Also his first LP London Conversation came out in 1967, but which time I think he'd been down there establishing himself for a while.

I enjoyed the Jackson C Frank programme, if "enjoy" is the right word for something so sad. I remember seeing him at the Bristol Troubadour around 66/67.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 09:32 PM

On again at the moment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nxh4s


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio prog on Jackson C Frank
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Nov 17 - 05:09 AM

Heard the programme, sad isn't the word. Incedently - also:

Ask Me No Questions (Dandelion) 1969
       John Martyn (guitar), Richard Sanders (guitar), Bridget St. John (vocals, guitar, keyboards), Simon Stable (bongos), producer: John Peel
.
(I bought the LP)

Wiki says John Martyn was living in Richmond at the time


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