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Subject: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 20 Nov 12 - 10:38 PM Layoffs Announced Since Election: 1. Abbott Labs 700 2. Activision 30 3. Adventist Health 48 4. Airlines SAS 6000 ...and so on...120 companies listed Announced Business Closures Since Election: 1. Bakers Footwear closing 150 stores nationwide, including 21 in California 2. The SCA plant in Barton - Plans Staff Reductions 3. Handy Hardware to close its 2-year-old Meridian, Miss. warehouse 4. Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn. ...and so on...69 businesses listed http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.fr/2012/11/economic-disintegration-is-almost-here.html Four years spent blaming Bush for the bad economy. From here on, then, it must all be Obama's fault. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Bobert Date: 20 Nov 12 - 10:51 PM Washrag crybaby Obama hater post his 100th washrag crybaby Obama hatin' post... Congrats, hate-man... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:04 PM Americans Enjoying Obamacare after Hurricane Sandy Yet Another Happy Camper after Sandy, this one at a FEMA camp in Oceanport Obamaville - Home Sweet Home |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don Firth Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:33 PM Yeah, sure, Songwronger! Everybody knows that Obama is totally responsible for Hurricane Sandy. He was also responsible for the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, the Dust Bowl disaster, the Great Depression, the Mount St. Helens eruption, Hurricane Katrina, the BP oil spill. . . . And your hemmorhoids. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:39 PM You Prez al-Obama lovers keep making excuses for him. He's a Republican dressed up in drag as a Democrat. Just like Slick Willie. A charlatan. =(:-( P) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: artbrooks Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:15 AM Well, I couldn't find anything about 6000 layoffs at SAS...that would be Scandinavian Airlines, right? Based in Sweden? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:19 AM That's the problem I have with almost the whole Democratic Party when they're in power. It's like a bunch of Republican wolves dressed up in "liberal" sheep's clothing. They fight foreign wars just like the Republicans do. They persecute Iran just like the Republicans do. They back Israel without fail just like the Republicans do. They take away your civil rights just like the Republicans do. They work in concert with the banksters and the big corporates just like the Republicans do. But they talk like they were "liberals"! Amazing. And sickening. I would certainly have voted for Obama this last time (a wolf in sheep's clothing) rather than vote for Romney (a wolf in wolf's clothing). But only with a sense of grim resignation...I know that what ends up in Washington anyway is still really just another wolf...whether or not he looks like a wolf. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: michaelr Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:28 AM It does look like FEMA was late, and then inefficient, in responding to a disastrous hurricane. Again. I mean, really? Still not prepared? That's unacceptable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 21 Nov 12 - 01:46 AM I wish the Queen of England would attack and conquer Amerika. Free us from corporate domination. =(:-( O) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don Firth Date: 21 Nov 12 - 01:58 AM You're talking treason, Hinkle. Obama's gonna get you for that!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 21 Nov 12 - 02:21 AM I'm starting to think the Revolutionary War wasn't such a good thing. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Pete Jennings Date: 21 Nov 12 - 07:27 AM You can rest assured that Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is too far busy celebrating her 65th wedding anniversary to bother about attacking the United States of America. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 21 Nov 12 - 09:14 AM She was pretty hot back in her day..... =(:-( P) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: pdq Date: 21 Nov 12 - 09:52 AM Layoffs Announced Since Election Abbott Labs 700 Activision 30 Adventist Health 48 Airlines SAS 6000 AMD 400 American Cotton Growers 110 ArcelorMittal 20 American Independence Museum 4 Ameridose 790 American Airlines 4400 + 800 leaving voluntarily American Coal 54 Atlantic Lottery Corporation 16 Assc Milk Producers 130 Aveo Oncology 45 ATI 172 Bankia 5000 Bechtel Power Corp 277 Bigpoint Games 47 Boston Scientific 1200 Brake Parts LLC 75 Brattleboro Retreat 31 Bristol Myers 500 Career Education 900 + Closing 23 Campuses Cigna 1300 Citigroup 100 Commerzbank 6000 Consol Energy in W.V. 145 Covidien 595 Crouse Hospital Syracuse NY 70 Cummins 150 CVPH 27 DEP in Tallahassee FL 15 DuPont, Co. 64 Eagle-Tribune, Andover 21 Emanuel Medical Cente 24 Energizer Holdings 1500 Ericsson 1550 Exide Tech, Laureldale 150 City of Findlay, OH 39 First Energy 400 Gameforge Berlin 20 Gamesa Energy 92 GenOn Energy Inc 33 Glen Falls Hospital 29 Groupon 80 GT Advanced Tech 165 Harris' Broadcast 17 Hawker Beechcraft 400 + Facilities closing Hill Rom 200 Hills Holdings 300 HMX Group 567 Hostess 627 Iberia Airlines 4500 ICM of Colwich 25 ING 2350 Judson University 21 Juniper Networks 500 Kaiser Permanente 84 Kinetic Concepts 427 Kratos Defense Security 125 Lackawanna County PA 11 Lightyear Network Solutions 12+ Lonza 500 Majestic Star Casino/hotel 80 Major Wind Company 3000 Martha Stewart Living 70 Medtronic 1000 Mills Manufacturing NC 68 Momentive, Inc. 150 Monitor Group 235 Montco Behavioral Health/Dev 58 NBC 500 Nebraska Medical Center 38 Neovia Logistics Services 52 New Energy 40 Ormet 200 Panasonic 10000 PayPal 320 Penn Refrigeration 40 Penske Logistics 50 Pepsi 4000 Philips Electronics 218 Pierce Mfg 325 Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne 100 Research in Motion 200 Rheem Manufacturing 50 Sentry Foods 70 Shaw's Supermarket 700 Shawano foundry WI 90 Smith & Nephew 770 Smithfield Packing Co. 125 Solel Solar Systems 140 Southeastern Container 15 SpaceX 100 SRA Intl Inc 222 St. Jude Medical 300 Stryker 1170 Sulake 60 Sun Media 500 TE Connectivity 620 TECO Coal Corporation 90 Texas Instruments 1700 The Providence Journal Co 23 TMX Group Ltd. 100 Turbocare 220 Turkey Point Nuclear Plant 277 Oce North America, Inc. 135 Turbocare OCE 220 UBS 10000 US Cellular 980 UtahAmerican Energy Inc 102 Volvo Trucks Pulaski County 300 Wake Forest Baptist Medical 950 Welch Allyn 275 West Ridge Mine 102 Westinghouse 50 World Media Enterprises Inc 105 WPS Health Insurance 600 Wright Patterson AFB 115 Wyodak Coal Mine 11 Xerox 2500 Yakima Reg Med Ctr Washington 10+ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Bill D Date: 21 Nov 12 - 09:57 AM "It does look like FEMA was late, and then inefficient, in responding to a disastrous hurricane. " BS! A disastrous hurricane is **impossible** to prepare for totally and/or be responded to to suit everyone! FEMA pre-positioned materials, staff, and organized aid workers. Teams of electrical workers from all over the country were in the area BEFORE the storm. It was a BIG storm.. at high tide... and it did bad stuff to people who thought they just HAD to live right in low areas beside the ocean. FEMA did amazing things getting to many of them. If you define 'efficient' and 'early' as 'making everyone happy in 24 hours'...then sure... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:03 AM Yeah guys, and all those firms went from thriving businesses to incipient bankruptcy in fifteen days. Christ some of you guys would need a brain transplant from a genius to qualify as imbeciles. No names no pack drill. You know who you are, and you just get wronger and Wronger. Trouble is you don't GET sanity. You really don't! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,TIA Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:23 PM Wow those grapes are sour. The reason you lost so big in the election is because you live in the manufactured right wing bullshit fact-free (or manufactured fact) bubble. Mass layoffs peaked in early 2009 (yup - just when Obama took over) and have been declining ever since. The data and graphs are here: http://www.bls.gov/mls/ click Please come back and tell me that BLS cooked the numbers. In fact, tell everyone that. It is exactly that denial of data that caused you to lose the election, so keep it up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Greg F. Date: 21 Nov 12 - 01:04 PM Jeez, Tia - don't confuse PeeDee with the facts, again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: kendall Date: 21 Nov 12 - 03:07 PM "Presidents do not create jobs" (Mitt Romney) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: number 6 Date: 21 Nov 12 - 05:15 PM "Mass layoffs peaked in early 2009 (yup - just when Obama took over) and have been declining ever since." the reason why is that there isn't many more left to be laid off. Like to see the stats on how many have been hired since 2009. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Greg F. Date: 21 Nov 12 - 05:22 PM Those stats are readily available, 6 - look 'em up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 21 Nov 12 - 06:31 PM A lot of business owners were waiting to see if Obama would be re-elected before making up their minds on closures. There was a chance that Romney would reverse some of the Obama policies so disastrous for small businesses, but not now. So they're folding. But some are managing to stay in business by slashing their workers' hours to 29 per week, one hour shy of the 'full time' mark. By carrying them as part-timers, they don't need to provide insurance. That's the cost of Obamacare: * You work a crappy job and only accept the crappy pay so you can have health coverage. * Obamacare makes it necessary for your boss to cut your hours so you lose your insurance, AND you are now required by law to carry health insurance. * You're now employed part-time with crappy pay (and fewer hours), and you have to add hundreds of bucks per month to your budget for health insurance. Or pay the penalty. Excuse me, "tax." Tell me again how Obama gives a shit about the poor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 21 Nov 12 - 06:44 PM Songwronger, if you had a brain you would be dangerous. As it is you're just pathetic. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don Firth Date: 21 Nov 12 - 07:01 PM Whine whine whine. Lie lie lie. Your boy lost, Songwronger. Suck it up!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: number 6 Date: 21 Nov 12 - 07:12 PM "But some are managing to stay in business by slashing their workers' hours to 29 per week, one hour shy of the 'full time' mark. By carrying them as part-timers, they don't need to provide insurance." Good point mentioned Songwronter It's becoming the way of the future. That is an issue that is happening here in N.B. Canada, creating more temporary jobs, and/or hiring people on as casual (e.g. health care workers, gov't jobs and now corporate type positions) ... these temporary/casual kind of positions is also becoming common in Portugal along with hiking up the sales and income taxes. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:04 PM When a business owner is forced to cut an employee's hours to 29/week because of Obamacare, and the employee loses health insurance, and someone formerly covered under the policy dies, then Obama committed the murder. Obama's committing genocide against the American people, while you limousine liberals are feeling flush with victory. But it's a Pyrrhic victory. Your own families and neighbors will fall prey to Obama's anti-human policies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:29 PM Stock, sales, shipping, maintenance...these are tens of thousands of jobs. 2011 Retail Store Closings roundup: U.S. Retailers Closing or Liquidating Stores in the 2011 Calendar Year: 405 Blockbuster 633 Borders 200 GameStop 189 Gap 160 f.y.e. 117 Anchor Blue 117 Foot Locker 100 Talbot's 71 A.J. Wright 69 Metropark 63 Friendly's 60 Rite Aid 52 Destination Maternity 50 Abercrombie & Fitch 50 Hot Topic 2012 Retail Store Closings Roundup: U.S. Retailers Closing or Liquidating Stores in the 2012 Calendar Year: September 20,2013 . 600 Fashion Bug (through early 2013) 500 Blockbuster Click for all Blockbuster closing locations in 2012 >> 180 Abercrombie & Fitch ("over the next few years") 172 Sears Click for all U.S. Sears store closing locations in 2012 >> 137 Ritz Camera & Image / Wolf Camera 123 Collective Brands (Payless, Stride Rite) by 2013 120 Pacific Sunwear 113 Food Lion 103 Christopher & Banks (starting in Q4 2011) 100 Family Dollar 100 The Gap 96 Avenue 93 Esprit 76 USA Drug / Super D / Drug Warehouse / May's / Med-X 70 Casual MaleXL 63 Betsey Johnson 55 Ascena Retail (dressbarn, marices, Justice) 50 Best Buy 50 T.J. Maxx (U.S., Canada, and Europe) ((a world great from register to new stock 13 weeks)) Sincerely, Gargoyle And who will help me eat this cake...asked the little red hen? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: number 6 Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:48 PM Interesting ..... it shows there is certainly less money being spent by consumers. That's because they don't have the money or credit. It doesn't really matter who won the election ... as the economic system (as we know/knew it) has blown it's wad and is obviously failing ... the Corporate Oligarchy is hanging on tightly to preserve it's wealth and control regardless who was elected. And to those that have permanent jobs with benefits ... be prepared for change ... more and more will find themselves as temporary/casual/contracted workers with no benefits and working less hours ... and I should mention you'll probably be paying more in taxes. Don't point fingers at the leaders as they are token puppets, it's the system. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:48 PM He's right. You'll see. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: number 6 Date: 21 Nov 12 - 11:04 PM I should add ... try getting a mortgage for a house when you are a temporary/casual worker. Forget about the recovery ... get used to a 'change' in lifestyle. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,999 Date: 21 Nov 12 - 11:38 PM Just saw this on the www and thought some folks here would be interested. "Trump Plans Billionaires March On Washington Billionaires will hire proxies to march for them WASHINGTON (The Global Edition) — At a jointly held press conference today, Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch announced that they would be organizing "The Million, Billionaires march on Washington." After selling their list of demands to the reporters present, Trump spoke up, "There is no 'affirmative action' for billionaires. I went to vote, I couldn't even get a cocktail with it. Furthermore, they only let me vote once. I own over 200 corporations in the United States and those corporations are people too. Had we gotten to vote only once for every corporation that we own, the results of this election would be quite different." "I don't see why poorer people should vote at all," Murdoch interjected. "Eventually we'll let the voting right trickle down to them." "This will be unlike your traditional march, because we won't actually be marching. We will hire proxies to march for us and furthermore there aren't a million billionaires, there are only about four hundred of us, and Gates, Buffett and Bloomberg have refused to join us. So far we expect to have the proxies for The Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson and Mitt Romney, of course," stated Trump. There is growing support in The House of Representatives for legislation that would give aid to billionaires. "This won't cost us one cent," stated Representative, Eric Cantor, "All that we have to do is extend the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest one percent, reduce school lunch programs, and it will work. I don't want to bore you with the math." It has been learned that "aid to billionaires" language has been earmarked onto a bill guaranteeing all injured veterans one meal per day, which had been stalled in committee for two years. By TGE correspondent Jello Marx" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,TIA Date: 22 Nov 12 - 10:37 AM More sour grapes crap. Righties lost because they adhere to ideas that are clearly and demonstrably false. The healthcare act was modelled after Romney's health care act in Mass. It has been in place there for years, so one can actually look at the record. A team from Georgetwon U. did just that, and it turns out that Romneycare was good for small business. Read and learn. http://www.governing.com/blogs/view/gov-massachusetts-health-reform-not-a-blight-for-business.html No, wait. Don't learn. It is what made you lose. Keep up the crap barrage please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 22 Nov 12 - 10:42 AM Obamafuscate some more, sweetcheeks. =(:-( P) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 22 Nov 12 - 10:48 AM I'm Greeennn!! =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Stringsinger Date: 22 Nov 12 - 11:04 AM Here's what I think. Obama is being mislead by sinister forces in the U.S. McCain, Leiberman and Graham are making arms deals with the Syrian opposition, absolute opportunism for the munitions industry, and going behind Obama's back to do so. There are factors going on behind the scenes that Americans don't know about and there are elements in the GOP who are trying to sabotage Obama's presidency. There may be some Dems who are doing this too. Still, the foreign policy decisions are wrong for the country, more drones, more troop escalations or occupations, more support for Israel's misdeeds and some of this must be attributed to Obama but not all. As long as taxpayers are funding munition sales, shoring up world dictators, keeping Wall Street criminals out of jail, running Bagrams and Guantanmos, and supporting media propaganda, no president will ever be able to make a recovery. Romney certainly wouldn't be able to do it with his elitist ideology. At least Americans had sense enough to see that. We need a president that says to the wealthy oligarchs and proto-fascists in this country, "I welcome your hatred!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,TIA Date: 22 Nov 12 - 12:01 PM Actually, you are just a noisy ass who contributes nothing of any substance - just a steady stream of easily ignored "so's yer Mom" style playground taunts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Elmore Date: 22 Nov 12 - 12:13 PM Obama Recovery. No way. These whiners, including Willard, will never recover from the beating they took. A lot of it is racial. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 22 Nov 12 - 12:23 PM He's a puppet president. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Nov 12 - 01:06 PM It's hilarious how certain self-absorbed blowhards around here react to any criticism of Obama on the basis that it MUST be coming from someone who supported Romney and is a "rightwinger"! Ha! Funny, that is. Talk about lazy thinking and total lack of attention! They must read only what they want to read and not even SEE the other words in the posts of the people they disagree with about something. Songwronger and Henry have both made it absolutely plain over and over again that they considered Romney to be an utter disaster. Neither one of them is a rightwinger. You don't HAVE to be for Romney or the Republicans or on the Right to have some reasons for criticizing the Democratic administration. Wake up, for God's sake, and actually READ the posts of the people you can't be bothered to do anything but stereotype and spit puerile insults at. You are youselves "noisy asses who contribute nothing of any substance" here, but mostly just engage in ad hominem attacks. You attack some people here for supposedly being upset that Romney lost.............Say What?????????....they were never wanting him to win in the first place! And by the way...I'm absolutely delighted that Romney lost. But I expect more BS, war, and other corrupt nonsense from the 2nd Obama administration in spite of that. As far as I'm concerned, both those parties routinely betray the electorate once they're in office...with one discernable difference: the Republicans are usually the worse of the two in certain respects. That's why I'm glad Romney lost and Obama won. I'd be even gladder if they both lost, and those 2 parties ceased to exist at all, because they are criminal organizations in the employ of a criminal elite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: pdq Date: 22 Nov 12 - 01:20 PM "It's hilarious how certain self-absorbed blowhards around here react to any criticism of Obama on the basis that it MUST be coming from someone who supported Romney and is a "rightwinger"! Ha! Funny, that is..." ~ Little Hawk Or the ultimate asinine claim that anybody who doesn't see Obama as the New Messiah is a racist |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 22 Nov 12 - 01:20 PM ""Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle - PM Date: 22 Nov 12 - 10:48 AM I'm Greeennn!! =(:-( ))"" You surely are! AS grass, and slightly less sentient. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don Firth Date: 22 Nov 12 - 03:41 PM Speaking of "self-absorbed blowhards. . . ." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 22 Nov 12 - 03:45 PM Green is too leftist for you. You're practically Republican. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Elmore Date: 22 Nov 12 - 06:08 PM The republicans that I know from South Carolina and Georgia are pillars of their communities. They are also unashamedly racist. In one county the vote was 4 to 1 for Willard. I suspect racism was a factor. This is not to say that all Republicans are bigots, but to totally deny racism is naive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Greg F. Date: 22 Nov 12 - 06:24 PM PeeDee- what the hell are you going on about? Even more assinine a comment than usual- and I'll give you credit, that ain't easy, even for you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 22 Nov 12 - 09:50 PM Yeah, Little Hawk got it right up there, about both parties routinely betraying the electorate. Though I think Romney would have delivered on his lunacy. And he is a loon. Calls himself a saint, to begin with. Then the saint says he "likes to fire people." Proud of raiding pension funds. He's a total psycho. I'm glad he lost, because he would have been onboard with that other top-tier psycho Netanyahu for an attack on Iran. At least the Muslimish lunatic Obama will drag his feet on that front. Indonesian boy going around the world bowing to Muslim kings and princes. Obama belongs in a whore house, not the white house. He won a squeaker against the most insane candidate to run in modern times. Tells you how much America hates Obama. We know what he's doing. Transfer of wealth and all that. But it's not a Marxist transfer--he's passing it through the corporations, the banks. So it's a fascist transfer. Anyway, given the alternative I'm glad he was re-elected. Let his pinheads shout their adulation from the gutters when he strips them of their property. My family is ready for the Obamanization of the country. We're good to go on the survival front, and it will be a true joy watching you limousine liberals have to come to grips with what you've done. If you've been drinking the Obama-flavored kool aid then you're in no way prepared for what's about to hit the U.S. Sandy was a freakin' category 1 hurricane, and the feds couldn't get the power back on after a decent interval. While the media praised Obama for taking the situation in hand. Bush had a category 4-5 in Katrina, and you people still squall about that, but Obama's category 1 was an opportunity to laud the Chosen One for his leadership skills. You fuckin dolts. At any rate, I'll post more of that cheerful Obama Recovery News when I come across it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Elmore Date: 22 Nov 12 - 10:06 PM Songwronger: Nice typing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,TIA Date: 23 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM LH - you seem a little self-absorbed and are blowing pretty hard. Did you read carefully the opening line of the opening post? "Layoffs Announced Since Election" No assumptions were necessary. Now carry on above it all... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Nov 12 - 01:23 AM Don T.: "Trouble is you don't GET sanity. You really don't!" You rang??? At your service. (this guy is almost always wrong...) Guest from Sanity |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: sciencegeek Date: 24 Nov 12 - 08:58 AM so typical... put a negative spin where ever you can & then hope that no one looks behind the curtain... I suggest that a little fact checking is needed... as in- "RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Smithfield Foods Inc. said Wednesday that it will begin its previously announced shutdown of a Virginia facility that makes hot dogs and deli meat. The Smithfield, Va.-based company said layoffs will start at the Portsmouth plant in January and it will close at the end of March. The first layoffs at the Smithfield Packing Co. facility will involve about 120 workers, with more than 400 workers affected by the time plant is closed, said Jeff Gough, Smithfield's senior vice president for human resources. Employees have been offered transfer opportunities. Smithfield Foods, the world's biggest pork producer, announced plans last November to close the plant in 2013 and shift production to a facility in Kinston, N.C. At the time, the company said it was closing the plant, built in the 1970s, because it cannot support the manufacturing technology changes and product development necessary to meet the company's needs. Smithfield will bring a new $80 million state-of-the-art hot dog plant online in its fiscal fourth quarter next spring." doesn't sound like the end of the world for them.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Greg F. Date: 24 Nov 12 - 09:08 AM Hmmm.... a self-absorbed blow-hard. Seems about right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: sciencegeek Date: 24 Nov 12 - 09:11 AM I just realized that maybe that some folks need help finding info that is spoon fed them by FOXNews or other like minded organizations. step one... go to your search engine of choice (mine is Google) and take each name off the list & add "layoffs" .... click on searc and see what comes... like this " Abbott Labs layoffs" Abbott cutting 700 jobs, even as profits rise Layoffs include 200 positions at Lake County headquarters January 25, 2012|By Peter Frost, Chicago Tribune reporter oh my.... this was announce back in January... goodness gracious me, and here I thought he was talking about just this past month... or that rising profits meant that the company was not only solvent... but making more $ than before... must be that voodoo economics the Republicans are so fond of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 24 Nov 12 - 09:13 AM Let them eat pigs. =(:-( P) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,TIA Date: 24 Nov 12 - 09:41 AM "Or the ultimate asinine claim that anybody who doesn't see Obama as the New Messiah is a racist" The only people who have been calling him the Messiah are on Fox News. When you repeat this BS talking point, you reveal that you are one of the low information news consumers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: sciencegeek Date: 24 Nov 12 - 10:27 AM response to Caterpillar: at http://www.southernminn.com/owatonna_peoples_press/news/local/article_d96f81a1-780c-5d5e-b548-be3e787f3577.html OWATONNA – Five Caterpillar administrators drove to Steele County on Thursday to tell 100 employees the bad news that they will be without jobs when Caterpillar's Owatonna plant closes on March 1, 2013. Caterpillar spokesperson Rachel Potts said the forest products plant, located at 3249 South County Road 45 in Owatonna, will "ramp down production" between now and March 1. She also said that eventually all forest products made in Owatonna will transition to other Caterpillar forestry plants in Prentice, Wis., and LaGrange, Ga. Potts was one of four Caterpillar administrators who met with Owatonna employees Thursday morning when employees were told about severance packages. Potts said the company would not comment on the length or amount of the severance packages or whether they included benefits, such as health care. Among the company leaders who spoke with employees was John Carpenter, president of Caterpillar's Forest Products Division. "We value our employees' contributions, and these actions are not a reflection of them, but rather the result of a need to make our business more efficient and competitive," Carpenter said in a press release. "We understand these decisions will be difficult for the lives of many of our workers and their families, and we genuinely regret that. In addition to working with local agencies on outplacement services, we're also partnering with potential area employers, including other nearby Caterpillar plans, to host job fairs for impacted workers." Some 20 engineers will remain employed by Caterpillar and will work in Owatonna. Where the engineers will work will be determined later, as the company plans to sell the Owatonna plant. The plant has not been put on the market yet, but Potts said that will happen very soon. Owatonna resident Carol Nelson built the plant itself in 1966 for his National Tree Expert business. In the early 1970s, National Hydro-Ax also started building forestry products in Owatonna. Nelson sold his interest in National Tree Expert and the company eventually moved to Austin, Texas. Nelson then invested the profits from the sale to become a part-owner of National Hydro-Ax. After a rapid growth in demand, Hydro-Ax sold to Omark Industries in October 1980, and at that point, the product line grew to seven tractor models. Then, in 1985, Blount Inc. bought the operation and became a 22-year staple in Owatonna until being sold to Caterpillar in 2007. In April 2011, the Owatonna plant built its 10,000 tractor, a wheeled feller buncher. Owatonna mayor Tom Kuntz was disappointed to see a longtime local employer leave town. "Anytime a company announces that they are going to close down in a community, it's a sad day," Kuntz said. "We hate to lose any employer, any business within our community. "We met with Caterpillar (on Thursday), and it was a business decision. They felt it was something they had to do. It was not a reflection on the community or the employees." Along with offering employees a severance package, Potts also said Caterpillar will consider the employees for positions at other Caterpillar plants, including some Twin Cities locations that make paving equipment. In addition, Caterpillar will hold a job fair in the next couple of months. The job fair not only will include other Caterpillar locations, but other local and area employers. "These employees have a wonderful skill set that is in demand," Potts said. "We have welders. Welders are in demand, so are machinists. We want to help them find a place to use their skills." Kuntz recognizes that the 100 employees who will be losing their jobs have strong skills and he hopes those local residents will stay in Steele County. "Those employees have skill sets that are needed in our community," Kuntz said. "Hopefully, we can help transition some of those people to other places within our city." The news of Caterpillar's leaving Owatonna comes a year after Chart Industries opened a plant, a couple months after Fareway announced the building of a grocery store on the former Oak Street location of the Owatonna Hospital and a couple weeks after Bremer Bank opened a location next to Truth Hardware. Brad Meier, president and CEO of Owatonna Area Chamber of Commerce and Tourism, said even with Caterpillar leaving town, Owatonna still has a bright future. "We are really positive about the future," Meier said. "Our economic development partnership looks at strengths of our community with the diversity of industry, our location and infrastructure. We think we are positioned extremely well and this announcement (on Thursday) is unfortunate, but we are still extremely optimistic about the future." this was followed by local discussion... that was really quite informative... unlike some of the postings on this thread... if you don't know who you are, don't worry, because the rest of us do... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: sciencegeek Date: 24 Nov 12 - 12:27 PM Layoffs Announced Since Election: 1. Abbott Labs 700 2. Activision 30 3. Adventist Health 48 4. Airlines SAS 6000 ...and so on...120 companies listed I know this annoying... but then so is starting BS threads with information & innuendo with no attempt at fact checking.... in the world of Songwronger, Oct. 30, 2012 is AFTER Nov. 6, 2012... maybe a new moniker is needed, like datewronger or factwronger... Activision Publishing layoffs at Minneapolis office by Alexander Sliwinski Writer RSS on Oct 30th 2012 4:00PM Activision Publishing has had a round of layoffs at its Minneapolis location, in preparation for a smaller slate of licensed games next year. Joystiq has been told that 30 full-time employees were let go. These cuts were made at the publishing level and no studio personnel were affected. "Like any successful business, Activision Publishing consistently works to align its costs with its revenues – this is an ongoing process. In 2013, we expect that our Minneapolis division will release fewer games based on third-party licenses than we released during 2012," an Activision spokesperson informed Joystiq in a prepared statement. "As a result, we are realigning the structure of our Activision Minneapolis division to better reflect our slate and the market opportunities. We are working to redirect those employees that are impacted to other parts of the company where possible, as well as offering them outplacement counseling services." Activision's Minneapolis branch mostly handled licensed titles, like the Cabela series and Bond. Activision's 2012 slate was fairly licensed game heavy, but the company is stepping back from that in 2013. I call myself sciencegeek because I enjoy discovery... and my training won't let me slide and not verify facts. It helps prevent having my head up my ass... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Henry Krinkle Date: 25 Nov 12 - 02:02 AM I hope things get better. Goodness. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,TIA Date: 26 Nov 12 - 10:07 AM Black Friday sales up 13% over last year. http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/25/pf/black-friday-sales/index.html Despite the fact that Obama's election has killed the economy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 10 Dec 12 - 06:38 PM Over 1 Million Americans Enter Poverty In Last Two Months And we thought last month's delayed foodstamp data was bad. The just reported foodstamp number for September was a doozy, with 607,544 new Americans becoming eligible for foodstamps, as a record 47.7 million Americans are now living in poverty at least according to the USDA. The monthly increase was the highest since May 2011, and with August's 421K new impoverished America, over 1 million Americans made the EBT card their new best friend. It is unclear just which atmospheric phenomenon will get the blame for this unprecedented surge in poverty, which comes at a time when the pre-election economic data euphoria was adamant that the US economy was on an escape velocity to utopia. Instead what we do know is that in August and September, over three times as many foodstamp recipients were add to the economy as jobs (324,000). We also know that with the imminent impact of Sandy, which will send foodstamp recipients soaring, it is now looking quite possible that the US may end 2012 with just over a mindboggling 50 million Americans living in absolute poverty and collecting the $134.29 average monthly benefit per person, instead of working. Welcome to the recovery indeed. Chart - Americans on Foodstamps |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don Firth Date: 10 Dec 12 - 07:00 PM ASSUMING that the figures are correct..... This makes you HAPPY, Songwronger? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Stringsinger Date: 10 Dec 12 - 07:02 PM No, Songwronger, it's the fault of an obstructionist Congress, The Party of No. Obama doesn't have all the power that some attribute to him. OTOH, Bush had the backing of the Party of No and as a result, Obama is trying to clean up his mess, but the GOP keeps bringing the mud in onto the floor. There is another factor, there are real enemies of Obama out there who might want to resort to unsavory means to unseat him. Bush didn't have that problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Elmore Date: 10 Dec 12 - 07:19 PM Employment down to a mere 7.7%. gas prices careening downward, Republicans converting to the Democratic party, all due to Barack Obama. Thank God for Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,TIA Date: 10 Dec 12 - 07:54 PM All but a fully partisan hack hater would look at that chart and realize that the enrollments began going up with the crash of 2008, peaked in early 2010, and have been in overall decline ever since. But of course the hater just wants you to look at the cumulative. That's why they cry about the national debt, and not usually the deficit. Except of course when they can't keep those two straight and end up lying about the trend in deficits. Keep on hatin' 'kay? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 10 Dec 12 - 09:27 PM I'm no partisan hater. George W. Bush should be fairly tried and executed for his genocidal crimes against the American people. Same as Obama. They are both corporate fascists, and their policies have lead to the deaths of those they swore to serve. Try the bastards, execute them, then put someone in office who knows how to keep an oath. Now tell me again how I'm being partisan about this. As far as unemployment numbers go: More Phony Employment Numbers A government that wants to cut the social safety net doesn't want you to know that the unemployment rate is 22.9%. A government that wants to cut the social safety net when between one-fifth and one-fourth of the work force is out of work looks hard-hearted, mean-spirited, and foolish. But if the government reports only one-third of the unemployed and presents that rate as falling, then the government can present its cuts as prudent to avoid falling over a "fiscal cliff." --Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. And then there's the argument currently being made that paying out unemployment benefits creates jobs. The Obama people are promising to create hundreds of thousands of jobs not by investing in infrastructure, not with manufacturing, but by passing out unemployment checks: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=democrats+unemployment+creates+jobs&oq=democrats+unemployment Think of that. Obama's going to print more money, pass it out for not working, then claim he's created 300,000 new jobs. Truly a man of stinkless shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 21 Dec 12 - 09:04 PM 75 Economic Numbers From 2012 That Are Almost Too Crazy To Believe http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/75-economic-numbers-from-2012-that-are.html #1 In December 2008, 31.6 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, a new all-time record of 47.7 million Americans are on food stamps. That number has increased by more than 50 percent over the past four years, and yet the mainstream media still has the gall to insist that "things are getting better". #5 For the first time ever, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year. #6 Median household income in the U.S. has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span. #9 In September 2009, during the depths of the last economic crisis, 58.7 percent of all working age Americans were employed. In November 2012, 58.7 percent of all working age Americans were employed. It is more then 3 years later, and we are in the exact same place. #10 When you total up all working age Americans that do not have a job in America today, it comes to more than 100 million. And so on. Links to each point contained in the article. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Bobert Date: 21 Dec 12 - 09:10 PM Yes, of course Obama is responsible for all these... BTW, word on the street is that he also kidnapped the Linbergh baby... Loser... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don Firth Date: 21 Dec 12 - 09:42 PM Okay, Songwronger, we all pretty well know who and what you're against. But who and what are you FOR? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Songwronger Date: 21 Dec 12 - 10:00 PM What I'm for. I might as well type this in invisible ink (or photons) for all the good it will do. I've stated repeatedly what I'm for. I'm an FDR moderate. Some social programming, but not so much that it leads to dependency. No excessive financial penalties for independent endeavor. Tax wall street. They currently pay no tax on transactions. Tax those transactions minimally, then when the government coffers fill up, cease all talk about shortfalls and deficits. Anti-war. Cease all American involvement in foreign situations and bring the troops home. Replace boots on the ground with lucrative trade partnerships. Roll back all laws infringing on constitutional rights, and publicly try the people who violated our rights by passing and ruling in favor of those laws. They violated their oaths of office, so try them for treason and execute the deserving ones. That's the short version. I've typed it up before, in between the nattering insults. Seems if you're not goosestepping to Obama's tune here you get accused of wearing a tin foil hat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Bobert Date: 21 Dec 12 - 10:10 PM Another Lyndon LaRouche post by the wrongman... Makes sense until... ...it doesn't... I used to love listening to Lyndon... He'd be going along making sense and it was... ...train wreck time... Remember when Lyndon accused Nancy Reagan of being the head of the US drug cartel??? That was priceless... Wronger has all that potential... Make half sense and then undo it all with whacko-ness... No offense, wrongman... Just an observation... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don Firth Date: 22 Dec 12 - 03:11 PM "What I'm for. I might as well type this in invisible ink (or photons) for all the good it will do. I've stated repeatedly what I'm for." Some of what you just said I am in agreement with, but what, pray tell, is an "FDR moderate?" I, personally, think we need a BIG dose of restoring Roosevelt-initiated programs and regulations (reverse Reagan's reversals), and I wish Obama would get with it. My quibble with Obama is that he is too damned conciliatory and needs to rear up and roar a helluva lot more. As one political pundit put it, Obama's position is a bit to the right of Eisenhower's. But out of the slate of viable candidates last time around, he was the best. As far as YOU are concerned, Songwronger, your posts are full of a mixture of hate and misinformation; and God knows I get enough of that crapola in the mass of unsolicited e-mails I get every morning, so you'll understand why I don't read YOUR posts very carefully since I've read it all before! One thing is that when your are asked a question such as my asking you what you are FOR, or any other simple question, you—and a couple of other people I could name—almost invariably respond with insults and general snottiness, claiming that you've already made that clear (which you haven't or it's buried in such vitriol that no one bothers to read it), accuse us of being unable to read simple English, and then accuse anyone who disagrees with you of "goose-stepping to Obama's tune," or something similar. If I were running for political office, I wouldn't want YOU on my side. Anybody with an attitude like yours would do me more harm than good! Don Firth P. S. Considering the nastiness of some of the anti-Obama posts on this and other threads—not to mention starting threads for the sole purpose of trashing Obama—I tend to suspect that the REAL reason for such malice is that the White House is currently occupied by a man of the wrong color. There seems to be a lot of that still going around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Elmore Date: 22 Dec 12 - 07:56 PM Attn: Don Firth. Amen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Dec 12 - 04:18 PM Songwronger, I know that accuracy is aforeign language to you, but let's start with small steps you should be able to manage with a moderate amount of effort. ""and their policies have lead to the deaths of those they swore to serve."" Lead is a heavy metal. The past tense of the verb to lead, is led. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: number 6 Date: 19 Jan 13 - 11:06 PM 35 statistics about the working poor in America that will blow your mind biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jan 13 - 12:44 PM Don Firth: "..As far as YOU are concerned, Songwronger, your posts are full of a mixture of hate and misinformation;.." ...and Don's are full of misinformation and bad science to hide his flakiness! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jan 13 - 06:15 PM ..as to addressing the topic....I'll have to admit, Obama promised 'Hope and Change' in his first campaign...but I had to make it happen myself..and it worked!! I bought a $3.00 lottery ticket with a $5.00 bill! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Jan 13 - 06:33 PM What is it that Obama is recovering from? Has he been ill? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Elmore Date: 20 Jan 13 - 10:05 PM Recovering from Mitch McConell's 4 year attempt to get him out of office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Elmore Date: 21 Jan 13 - 07:47 PM Began today, I think. He sounded like what we need: a liberal Democrat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: Bobert Date: 21 Jan 13 - 08:30 PM Bottom line here is that it took 30 some years for the US to get into the current pickle it finds itself in and Obama ain't going to fix that in 8... Especially with the House of Wackos who think they were elected to destroy the US government and/or economy, which ever they can pull off... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 22 Jan 13 - 06:24 AM Just found this, further up the thread, and, as an Englishman, it made me smile (rather ruefully): "I wish the Queen of England would attack and conquer Amerika. Free us from corporate domination." I'm afraid that it wouldn't do 'Amerika' much good because we're as much in the vice-like grip of the neo-liberal free-marketeers as you are - and on the same doomed course! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins From: GUEST,999 Date: 22 Jan 13 - 08:01 AM For those wishing to get a handle on how the biggest robbery in history took place, you might care to listen to this Member of Parliament from Canada. It will take you ten minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=wWkUaJId7pM&vq=hd1080&autoplay=1 |
