BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 07:32 PM

Sure ake but your opinion doesn't seem to be based on the scientific evidence that homosexuality is biological and found in nature. There is as much VD and rampant AIDS now in the heterosexual community as is in the gay community. I don't see heteros bringing their behavior "into line". Massive ill health is not restricted to the gay community. As a matter of fact, monogamous gay relationships have just as much chance of curbing AIDS and VD as do the hetero relationships. Don't make the mistake of assuming that gay relationships are necessarily promiscuous.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:23 PM

Here is an example of how politicians are using religion to get at oil but at the same time,
these fundies are wrecking the world.


Fundie Religion is growing elsewhere

This is thread creep but spotlights the role of religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 02:14 AM

Akenaton states above that gay people aren't happy people. If we accept that, although it is sweeping and based on prejudice. .. then it is worth pointing out that it can only be the case because twats like him use every opportunity to make hatred acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:59 AM

"Hatred" Ian?.....Who the fuck said anything about hatred?
This portion of the discussion was supposed to examine the Catholic Churches' response to "Gay Marriage" today, and whether or not legislation should be brought forward to support it.

Twats like you, use every opportunity to bring the word "hatred" into any discussion that you wish to close down.

The word hatred has no place in any discussion on immigration regulation(racial hatred), "Gay Marriage"(homophobic hatred, or any other contentious issue.

Grow up please.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 04:03 AM

This point is not meant to exclude the single by any means. But assuming, as experience seems to teach, that one of the bases of a happy life is frequently a satisfactory & happy marriage or long-term partnership, then I must point out to Ake, yet again, that my dear friends, past & present, Mandy & Nicola, Ben & Dick, David & Brian, John-Stuart & Ricky, Michael & David, et al, all in long-term relationships &, where surviving, civil-partnered since soon after the 2004 Act, appear to be as stable and contented as any of the heterosexual couples of my acquaintance. I just can't make out any rational basis for these peculiar views of his.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 04:29 AM

Mike...If you going to make a study of any particular form of relationship....it cannot be restricted to those "within your ken".

The statistics on male homosexuality tell a completely different story, including very high rates of psychiatric illness, sexual health problems and promiscuity.

The same sex couples whom I have known, have all been in the late years and I am sure their relationship was more to do with companionship than sex.
However sexually active young male homosexuals appear to have little interest in marriage or monogamy, hense the high rates of promiscuity.
In my opinion males are by nature, sexually predatory and the limiting factor in this behaviour is the production of a family and setting an example to ones children......a social braking system. Not the word "MARRIAGE"

Homosexuals cannot produce .....and this causes the social brakes to fail.......Only an opinion.

What is your opinion on the discrepancy in sexual health rates?

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 04:41 AM

Well, Ake, I may not be able to judge accurately only from those within my ken, but that seems to be exactly what you are doing in your 3rd para. I was talking of lifelong relationships, from youth onward. I remember, when Valerie & I told John-Stuart Anderson & his partner Ricky, who used respectively to act his distinguished one-man plays at, and administer, the Eye Theatre Suffolk in the 1980s, that we were approaching our Pearl Wedding [30 years] in 1989, they trumped us by telling us that they had passed their 40th. John-S unhappily died soon after and I have lost touch with Ricky if he survives. But their example certainly runs counter to your generalisation about later-in-life-companionship being the norm for such couples. And, as pointed out above, the statistics regarding promiscuity, STIs &c within the gay community are no higher than those among the single, unpartnered part of the heterosexual community.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:04 AM

No Mike, my views are not based on the couples I have known, as i said they were all rather old and I am sure their interest in sex would have waned.

Sorry but I think you are wrong about the figures, which stae catagorically that MSM figures are much higher that hetero, even among "singles"; tho it would appear that you validate my point about the family structure having a bearing on sexual behaviour.

Unless of course, you think the word MARRIAGE has magic properties :0)

There is nothing to stop young people from committing to one another without using "the word"...and many do.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Musket
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 05:38 AM

Dear Akenation,

We at the Oxford English Dictionary wish to use examples for the noun "hatred" and wondered if we could use some of your posts? Especially the posts that are not about Gay relationships but religion which you still manage to introduce your irrational fear of others into.

Yours,

The human race.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:28 AM

""Mike...If you going to make a study of any particular form of relationship....it cannot be restricted to those "within your ken".""

How can anybody judge and assess anything which is outside of their knowledge and experience.

You state that "in your experience, the majority of homosexuals are not happy", then castigate Mike for telling you what his experience is, and how it differs from yours.

You say you don't hate, while calling us scumbags and bigots.

You are exposed every time you post comment as someone who not only hates, but also hates irrationally. You can't even bring yourself to address me directly.

You are a hate fueled, intolerant and pretty unpleasant character with no respect or liking for your fellow man, and your opinions are more than sufficient to brand you as a bigot yourself.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:17 AM

I can cheerfully echo, without naming names, similar examples to Michael's within my ken.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 11:32 AM

"The statistics on male homosexuality tell a completely different story, including very high rates of psychiatric illness, sexual health problems and promiscuity."

These statistics are totally invalid since they ignore even greater psychiatric illness, sexual health problens and promiscuity in the heterosexual community.

Why greater? Because homosexuals are in the minority.

Sexual preference is no indicator of mental, physical or social health.

Catholicism rejects homosexuality on religious and not scientific grounds.
In fact, many priests are closet gays as has been shown repeatedly.

I'm not gay but I know biased prejudice when I see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Catholic religion response to 'today'
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 01:49 PM

The War against Pope Francis

Pope Francis is one of the most hated men in the world today. Those who hate him most are not atheists, or protestants, or Muslims, but some of his own followers.

Outside the church he is hugely popular as a figure of almost ostentatious modesty and humility.

But within the church, Francis has provoked a ferocious backlash from conservatives who fear that this spirit will divide the church, and could even shatter it.

This summer, one prominent English priest said to me: ?We can?t wait for him to die. It?s unprintable what we say in private.

Continued here:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis

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Good point, Greg, but I see no need to resurrect this contentious thread when there's already another religion thread going. I'm going to close this one.
-Joe Offer-