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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: BACON AND GREENS (Sam Cowell) From: MMario Date: 04 Nov 99 - 10:07 PM another one found in Levy sheet music collection
BACON AND GREENS, A GASTRONOMIC DITTY
MIDI file: bacon_~1.mid Timebase: 192 Name: Bacon and Greens This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Jerry Date: 05 Nov 99 - 10:53 AM MMario, I've been looking for this tune for a while now, so I'm excited to find it here. However, I don't have either MIDI or ABC software, so I don't know if I can do anything with your helpful posting. What do you suggest I do to be able to get the melody? Can I obtain the sheet music at a particular site? Any assistance you can render would be very much appreciated. Jerry |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: MMario Date: 05 Nov 99 - 11:55 AM *GROVEL* |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: MMario Date: 05 Nov 99 - 11:59 AM *GROVEL* sorry, I forget to bookmark the URL: However, it you use the link above, you can convert the text to a midi file. Using either the Digital Tradition Player (downloadable) or Noteworthy Composer (downloadable) or half a dozen other downloadable programs you can convert to sheet music and print. or you can try a seach, on Levy Sheet Music Site, which is where I THINK I found it. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Jerry Date: 05 Nov 99 - 12:01 PM Hmmm, I don't think I know THAT language. Is it like HTML? Jerry |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: MMario Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:12 PM ???? |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Jerry Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:18 PM MMario, Beg pardon, that was me being dumb. I didn't notice that you had two submissions. I read only the one that said "*GROVEL*" and took it as a humorous comeback on your part, so I attempted to respond in kind. Then I found your second response, with the Levy site mentioned. I am a bit confused still, tho. Is *GROVEL* the name of a site, or did you mean I should grovel to get the answer to my question? Sheesh, this is not easy, is it? Jerry |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: MMario Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:27 PM No problem, I was confused.....(which is why two posts in the first place) The "grovel" was due to my not remembering where I found the sheet music, (and because I am a ren-faire actor, so groveling is second nature to me). |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Jerry Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:32 PM Then well met, sir. And thank you. I just got back from the Levy site, and Bacon and Greens was there. It doesn't appear that it's what I'm looking for, though. I'm after a traditional Irish fiddle tune known as Bacon and Greens, or St. Patrick's Day. Any ideas on where I can go searching for that melody? I've looked in O'Neils and a couple of other tunes books with no luck. Jerry |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: MMario Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:47 PM This it? Try here: http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tune?F=GIF&X=12&U=http://hem.passagen.se/hnorbeck/abc/hnset0.abc&N=hnset0.gif MMario |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Anglofile Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:58 PM Wow! Looks like it! Thanks a lot. Which part of that URL gets me to the starting point for searching for other tunes? I'm looking for a few more. Also, have you ever heard of or come across a book called "William Litten's Fiddle Tunes" edited by Gale Huntington? I've had no luck in the local college libraries. It was published in the 70's. I've just signed up as a Mudcat member, so that explains the name change. I play Anglo concertina and I have taken a file to it on occasion. Many thanks again. Jerry |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Date: 05 Nov 99 - 02:07 PM What do you need from 'William Litten's Fiddle Tunes', (1977)? I have it. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: MMario Date: 05 Nov 99 - 02:10 PM I found the tune using this tune-finder: URL:http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/FindTune.html or: good luck! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Anglofile Date: 05 Nov 99 - 03:08 PM To Ye Who Has Litten's book, Thanks! I'm looking for 1.Nancy Dawson, 2. Chevy Chase, 3. Drops of Brandy, and anything else. Is there any way you could send me the index of tunes? Or give me the name of the publisher so I can try to get the book through interlibrary loan? Much obliged, Jerry |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: MMario Date: 05 Nov 99 - 03:41 PM http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/FindTune?P=nancy+dawson&find=find http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/FindTune?P=chevy&find=find http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/FindTune?P=brandy&find=find search time: 45 seconds total for all three tunes |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Bruce O. Date: 05 Nov 99 - 03:47 PM Nancy Dawson (originally, Piss upon the Grass) and several Chevy Chases are on my website, www.erols.com/olsonw. Look in Broadside ballad tunes and ABC files S1, S2, and T1. I don't think I've done Drops of Brandy as a ABC. Look in Country Dances 2 file for sources. In order to save Mudcat's space I' not put the following in HTML, so copy the file and put carriage returns after each colon (:) William Litten's Fiddle Tunes, 1977, referenced by page numbers.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Bruce O. Date: 05 Nov 99 - 04:42 PM I've put "Drops of Brandy" in a new thread. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Anglofile Date: 08 Nov 99 - 02:38 PM To Bruce and MMario: One hundred thousand thanks for this terrific information! I found the tunes I was looking for and have them safe in hand. I would like to get ahold of Litten's book to check out some of the tunes you list, Bruce. Where might I start looking? Is it out of print? Jerry |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Bruce O. Date: 08 Nov 99 - 02:41 PM Use a search engine to look for 'House of Musical Traditions' or 'HMT' in Tacoma Park, MD. If it's avaiable, Philippe Varlet there would certainly know if they have it, or if it's available at all. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: Joybell Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:51 PM For the record Bacon and Greens has a publishing date of 1861. Published in New York. ref. Lester Levy Collection. Cowell toured America at this time and was in New York in 1861. ref. The Cowell's in America by Emilie Cowell. (Wife of Sam.) Edited by Willson Disher. Joy |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Bacon & Greens From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:16 PM Note: the link to the text2midi web page mentioned above is not currently working. Robin |
Subject: Lyr Add: BACON AND GREENS (1839) From: Jim Dixon Date: 29 Dec 21 - 05:06 PM This seems to be a precursor to Sam Cowell’s BACON AND GREENS. It was printed as a poem in a newspaper. Please note that this version consists of 6 verses of 4 lines each, plus a postscript of one more verse, unlike the sheet music, which is arranged as 3 verses of 8 lines each, and omits the postscript. Also, there is a one-line refrain. Other than that, differences are minor, but I have boldfaced them. From The Southern Argus, Columbus, Miss., Vol 5 No 43, July 9, 1839, which you can see at the Library of Congress’ “Chronicling America” archive:
BACON AND GREENS. BY GREEN PEASE BACON, ESQ. G. B. I have lived long enough to be rarely mistaken, And borne my full share of life’s changeable scenes, But my woes have been solaced by good greens and bacon, And my joys have been doubled by bacon and greens. Fol de ri do—bacon and greens. What a thrill of remembrance e’en now they awaken, Of childhood’s gay morning and youth’s merry scenes, When one day we had greens and a plate full of bacon, And the next we had bacon and a plate full of greens. Ah! well I remember when, sad and forsaken, Heart-wrung by the scorn of a Miss in her teens, How I rushed from her sight to my loved greens and bacon, And forgot my despair over bacon and greens. When the banks refused specie, and credit was shaken, I shared in the wreck and was ruined in means; My friends all declared I had not ‘saved my bacon,’ But they lied—for I still had my bacon and greens. Oh! there is a charm in this dish, rightly taken, That from custards and jellies an epicure weans— Stick your fork in the fat, wrap your greens round the bacon, And you’ll vow there is nothing like bacon and greens. If some fairy a grant of three wishes would make one So worthless as I, and so laden with sins, I’d wish all the greens in the world, then the bacon, And then wish for a little more bacon and greens. Fol de ri do—bacon and greens. POSTSCRIPT. I return to confess that for once I’m mistaken, As much as I’ve known of this world and its scenes; There’s one thing that’s equal to both greens and bacon, And that is a dish of good—bacon and greens. Fol de ri do—bacon and greens. Greensboro’, Green County. - - - The lyrics also appear in Memorial Record of Alabama, Vol 2, (Madison, Wis.: Brant & Fuller, 1893), page 173, in Chapter 10 “Alabama Journalism” by W. W. Screws, where it says:
Then follows the text. Some other publications confirm this attribution—sort of. An article titled ‘Joseph G. Baldwin and the “Flush Times” ’ by George Frederick Mellen, in The Sewanee Review, Vol 9 No 2 (New York: Longmans, Green, & Co., April, 1901), mention, on page 177:
The Smiling Phoenix: Southern Humor from 1865 to 1914, by Wade H. Hall (University of Florida Press, 1965), page 345, says:
Early Alabama Publications: A Study in Literary Interests by Rhoda Coleman Ellison (University of Alabama Press, 1947), page 112:
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