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Subject: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 10:30 PM

Seein' as there are so many Obama haters here that rather than have one stupid hate thread after another why not just provide these haters with their own thread???

Have at it, haters...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 11:09 PM

Now this is DUMB. Disagreeing with policies doesn't have to go into 'hate-land'...but this knee-jerk over re-action nonsense, is nothing more than an attempt to take rational eyes off the subject....and, believe it or not, I don't exactly 'blame' Obama..after all, he really doesn't have a choice! What's he supposed to do?...reach around himself and cut off the puppeteer's strings??
Where I do fault him, and he could pull it off, is that he should level with the American people...but he won't...that's not what he was nominated to do....and..that being said, the ramifications would send the 'average American' into a tailspin!
Do you ideologues actually think this guy, when facing an economic decision, whips out his book of Marx?? Fuck no, he whips out his cabinet and they pour over the figures, with the accountants....that is IF you believe he does ANY of it....what he does do, and the media covers it, is gives 'pep talks'..just enough to buy more time while the governmental arm of the bankster/corporate world tightens the noose, on our freedoms, so they are even more of control of everything..sorta like 'tyrannical'.
I posted a link, about the Monsanto Immunity shit that is being stuffed into the Democratic budget....did ANY of your favorite 'news' outlets even report it??....So on one hand, the Republickedcunts want to repeal Obamacare, in their budget, and if you don't like that, you 'get' to support Monsanto's GMO bullshit!!..What a fucking choice!..
Then you say, well one is just a 'little less evil' than the other one
....horseshit!!...How about representing the will of the people, instead of giving us two bogus choices to pick from???!!!??? We 'get' to chose between cow-pies and cattle crap....and THEN....we argue and tear each other, and the country apart bitching about the one that is 'not as bad' as the other!!.....and if you say ANYTHING about it, you get labeled as a 'racist' or 'bigot' or some other misapplied term!

If I say it's the corruption of BOTH parties, which it CLEARLY is, then the diehards come on, and say that that is Tea party doctrine! When are the people who THOUGHT they were so fucking 'hip' going to get a clue????
This isn't about 'hating Obama'...nobody should....nor should they blindly look the other way, and 'defend' him either....and you know why???...because, in the end, you'll end up hating him even more from being disappointed because he 'let you down'.....sorta like G.W. Bush did to the Republicans....which they are still trying to recover from!
Can you imagine the outcry, from the 'so-called left' if Bush signed into law NDAA????...and if he did, would Obama repeal it???..Hell no!
This is a runaway train, out of control...well sorta...let me correct that...'out of the people's control'....you call yourselves 'Democrats'....but Democracy it is not! Republicans call us a Republic,....but are they representing US????.....fuck no!.....and the noose tightens, while they've conned you into working for the clampdown!
Nobody should 'hate' Obama....I don't...I never took him seriously in the first place!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 11:21 PM

Shouldn't that be "another Obama hate thread?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 11:26 PM

Hear hear!!!!!
I can't hate Obama for what he is.
That would be like hating a mentally retarded person for being mentally retarded.
Or hating an old man for being old.
I can only be saddened. And sympathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 11:42 PM

Confront the issue of Obama cutting spending on social programs, bobette.
Don't resort to calling people who are disappointed in him haters.
Social programs are supposed to be sacred to the Democratic Party.
He's even going to cut unemployment payments.
Less money to healthcare providers.
Lose your job. Get sick and die.
Obamadoesnotcare.
He just wants money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 12:02 AM

Niggardly Bastard: "He just wants money."

Actually, HE 'might' be in it for the money...BUT...money is not the goal....power is..because with money you get the power...and when you have the power, to object is control....so it might not be quite accurate to blame the hired help!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 12:16 AM

I could just cry!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:04 AM

My computer couldn't play the video......what was it?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 04:56 AM

Sometimes my links won't work.
I'll try again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=6qgWH89qWks&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 04:58 AM

Hillary shedding crocodile tears.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 05:20 AM

That Kenya-born Muslim socialist is going to take our guns away so we won't be able to overthrow governments that displease us....Oh, the injustice of it all!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 06:08 AM

Let's all sing together (in 3 part harmony)
"YOU DON'T LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE'S BLACK!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 06:21 AM

I'm not happy with him for signing that bill that allows Monsanto to poison us legally, or, his willingness to cut social benefits, but, sometimes you do what you must do. He has a giant millstone around his neck, (the republican opposition) and it's a wonder he can move at all.

Politics is the art of compromise (???)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 06:28 AM

He has multiple Republicans in his cabinet. He has no real Republican opposition.
He is one of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 08:53 AM

Hooray...It's working... No new Obama hate threads today...

Congrats to all the haters for going 12 hours without starting yet another one...

Now, ya'll have at it...

Hate away!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:16 AM

You're an Obama apologist, bobette.
In your eyes, he can do no wrong.
You just keep dishing out the excuses.
It's all the Republican's fault.
But he regularly changes his position on issues and goes along with the so called opposition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:23 AM

I hate Obama for being too charming and too smooth on the basketball court!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 10:05 AM

If this is to complex for you read it slowly.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/05/how_conservatives_still_run_america_despite_losing_elections/


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 10:17 AM

How can you hate this man?

He had to apologize. But he drinks beer!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 10:44 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/04/05/obama-social-security_n_3022074.html?icid=hp_politics_art_more


How can you like this guy???


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 11:13 AM

As a matter of semantics, how is limiting increases a "cut?"

"superlative CPI." It works by assuming that if a product becomes too expensive -- say, beef you eat chicken."

I don't get to eat beef except as a rare luxury now. Are they going to give me BEEF MONEY on social security??? Whooooo Hooooooo! Happy times!!!

BEEF MONEY!!!   WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 12:05 PM

I enjoy beef, chicken and pork all from one meat product.
Vienna Sausage.
Yum!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:03 PM

Could we somehow cross-link this with all the past Bush Hate and Sarah Palin Hate threads, so as to have even more fun? Oh, and there are Cheney Hate and Blair Hate threads too. Maybe link those in as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:06 PM

Hatred is not the issue. The corruption of the Democratic Party is and the lies of the Republican Party. Obama is not to be hated. Hatred never solved any problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:19 PM

Right on. It's never been about hating Obama...or hating Bush, but about questioning policies that are just downright wrong from the getgo.

I do find it ironical, though, that people who spent 8 years generating massive amounts of anger at George Bush can't seem to see that Obama has followed in Bush's footsteps and is doing very similar things now that he's in office. Matter of fact, he's gotten away with stuff (like the NDAA) that Bush could only have dreamed of...simply because he's not a Republican, so the many people who voted for him won't subject him to the scrutiny and criticism that they would have subjected a Republican to.

This is how those 2 parties control America and achieve a common purpose. They are immune to attack from most of their own supporters due to their supporters' fear of "the other party" getting into office, and that just keeps the old imperial game rolling along forever....because it's only necessary to fool half of the people all of the time to make the imperial game workable. Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama have all been servants of the same world-devouring and corrupt imperial order.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 03:03 PM

Ah yes, Little - another permutation of your "there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans, everyone is corrupt, its all useless, poor poor pitiful us, blah blah blah mantra ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Apparently you don't get tired of the same old bullshit, and it never occurs to you that others might.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 05:15 PM

Ditto, Greg...

I used to think that LH was so brilliant but once he got hooked on GfinS he started rusting and been rusting ever since...

Wish it weren't so... Seems that Chongz is more enlightened than his creator...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:20 PM

(shrug) How is being personally criticized by 2 guys on an Internet talk site supposed to affect my life? I notice that I'm talking about a political system, and your only reaction to that is to talk about me?

The truth is, Bobert, you were quite happy when I was criticizing the Bush administration for 8 years! And I did criticize it. Very thoroughly. That fit your agenda, so you loved what I was saying and thought I was "brilliant". But when Bush got replaced by Obama, then you became very uncomfortable with my criticisms of American policy.

American policy has hardly changed at all in the interim. Your government is run on an imperial policy that involves trying to enforce a Pax Americana on the world through military supremacy. This leads to a certain number of armed conflicts in various places, and those conflicts are mostly tied to controlling strategic resources and trade routes.

It hasn't made any real difference replacing Bush with Obama. The imperial policy rolls on...and just as the Nazis or the Italian Fascists or the Japanese militarists were in the 30s and 40s, this American policy is the enemy of the whole rest of the world (with the exception of Israel and the UK, who are partners in it). That's why the USA is hated and feared by most nations on the face of the Earth today.

Now, remember....I was absolutely DELIGHTED when Obama won in 2008! I've still got the paper saved here from the day after he won (Toronto Star. Nov 5/08. Headline reads "A Dream Fulfilled" "Obama Overcomes"). Virtually all Canadians were delighted he'd won. I've never seen people happier here with an American election result. Because he looked like a progressive who would change things after 8 terrible years of Bush and Cheney.

He has not turned out to be anything of the sort. He is right of center in his policies, his advisors are Wall Street insiders, and he's continuing in George Bush's footsteps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:30 PM

Little Hawk always encourages the trolls to be all that they can be. He disregards the lies and helps them attack the trollees by trying to appeal to our consciences.

He tries to be our Jiminy Cricket, their fairy Godmother.

I have no idea why. Maybe he sticks up for the underdog no matter matter how rabid that dog may be. He's sided with much worse trolls than these two.

Maybe because he doesn't get enough attention playing the same song over and over so he joins the Troll Orchestra.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:39 PM

I really don't mind the criticism of Obama as much as the GfinS "Both Sides Shuffle" (pick your own key)... Seems that you are stuck on that mythology as if it was back in '96 or 2000...

Times change, man...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:59 PM

How about if I suggest some relevant reading material?

Try this: ##########

You'll find plenty of historical material in there to back up my opinions. It's a big book. It'll take a few days to read all of it if you decide to give it a try.

Jack, I'm not even thinking about "the trolls"...whoever that may be...when I'm talking politics. I'm stating my own opinions, period. If I happen to agree with one of "the trolls" on something...(shrug)...so what?

There's a tight little club here. You know exactly how it works. Some people are "in"...and others are not. The ones who are "in" can personally attack anyone they want to in any way they want, and the moderators don't do a thing about it. I don't believe in that little club, and I don't bow down to it. I just state my own opinions, independently regardless. I've never been inclined to bow to peer pressure...or gangs of bullies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 08:10 PM

Tell me, Bobert, one thing that Bush did that Obama 'undid'....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:00 PM

If you and yer circle jerk partner would spend a little more attention to "real news" and less time in Tin Foil Nation blogs you would know the following:

1. Obama inherited two expensive fucked up wars...

2. Obama inherited the worst economy since the late 1920s...

3. Obama inherited deficits that the Bush people back loaded to continue to rise no matter what any future president did...

4. Obama has had the higest level of obstructionism since Lincoln had to deal with the Southern Democrats since 1860...

These are the realities here... Ya'll need to each pledge a week to read "real time" news... Not books... Books are a waste of time... People read them to support their biases... Here's my suggestion to ya'll... Sign up at the Washington Post and read ***everything*** Read news... Read op-eds... Read discussions...

About a week and you will each see that you aren't in the here and now real world...

I spend at least 2 hours every day doing exactly what I am suggesting and have for years so one week won't kill ya'll...

I mean, no offense, but you song is so old that it has rust on top of rust... Sorry that ya'll are trying to relive 1992, 1996 and 2000 when your song was in but "it was a new day yesterday, it's an old day now"...

This shit ain't on Obama...

It on the rich people and their Republican buddies, especially the Tea Party, who have short-circuited the Founding Fathers little experiment...

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:14 PM

Would we have been better off to elect that draft dodging, tax evading lying, vulture capitalist, animal abusing dim wit who suggested opening the windows in an airplane? I don't think so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:38 PM

OK, you couldn't answer that one...so try it this way...What did bush fuck up, that Obama fixed.
..Mind you, I'm not a Bush fan.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:50 PM

Evasion, GfinS....

That's all you do...

I challenge you to get into the here and now and you, ahhhh...

...play child's games...

Get a life and get an education and, oh, BTW, you are so ignorant that that you don't have a clue...

But, hey... Your games are amusing... Talking with you is like talking with a 3 year old who is stuck in saying "Why" a thousand times...

You won't take the challenge because it would mean that you might have to actually, ahhhhh, learn just how ignorant you are???

Horrors!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:52 PM

Oh, and BTW... Your bud won't take the challenge either...

Like they say, "Ignorance is bliss"...

Have a blissful evening...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:57 PM

"Would we have been better off to elect that draft dodging, tax evading lying, vulture capitalist, animal abusing dim wit who suggested opening the windows in an airplane? I don't think so. "

LOL LOL LOL!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 10:06 PM

GfinS and LH wouldn't care less... Oh, opps... My bad... If we did they wouldn't know that it had happened because they live a parallel universe that doesn't do, ahhhh, reality...

But good one, Capt'n...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:49 AM

Answer the question, bobette.
What has Prez al-Obama done to undo the damage GWB did?
Don't engage in personal attacks and namecalling.
Answer the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:08 AM

Well, he got us out of Iraq.

As for the deficit- ya don't seem to have noticed that the little Bush went to war -twice - with no plans to pay for them. You don't mind that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:18 AM

He should apologize to the Iraqi people for the illegal invasion of their country.
And have Bush and Cheney among others executed.
I knew Bush was throwing the country into a major depression.
And Obama is going to take care Wall Street.
While we all get by on less and less.


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Subject: BS: Obama Love Thread
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 06:08 AM

Hate is such a negative term.
Love, however, is positive.
So, I dedicate this thread to expressing all the things you love about President Obama.
Have at it, lovers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 07:21 AM

This is one of my favourite quotes from the left-wing English politician Tony Benn:

As a minister, I experienced the power of industrialists and bankers to get their way by use of the crudest form of economic pressure, even blackmail... These lessons led me to the conclusion that the UK is only superficially governed by MPs and the voters who elect them. Parliamentary democracy is, in truth, little more than a means of securing a periodical change in the management team, which is then allowed to preside over a system that remains in essence intact. If the British people were ever to ask themselves what power they truly enjoyed under our political system they would be amazed to discover how little it is...

He wrote this many years ago and I think it could probably apply to both the US and the UK now. I can't comment specifically on Obama, Romney et al, because I don't know enough about the US political system - but I do know that though governments come and governments go, the social fabric and structures essentially seem to remain the same.

Or perhaps they don't, as we are now seeing the rich become richer and the poor become poorer...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 07:43 AM

I couldn't agree more.
Now Obama wants to see increased tax revenues.
I think we know what's coming next.
Remember Ronald Reagan's IRS terrorism?
Get ready for another round of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:24 AM

More complete ignorance (or denial) of reality, N.B, on your part...

Got news for you... Obama is neither a king or a dictator... No matter what he privately might want to do there aren't constitutional paths for him to do it... He's doing about as much as he can do given his constitutional powers...

Jack is right... He, as promised gotten US out of Iraq... And he's trying to do the same in Afghanistan... The problems with wars is that they just don't end well too often, with WW II being an exception to the rule...

War for American Independence... didn't end well or there wouldn't have been the War of 1812

The American Civil War... didn't end well and still not over

WW I... didn't end well or we wouldn't have had WW II 20 years later

Korean War... didn't end well or at all for that matter

Vietnam... didn't end well

Iraq... didn't end well

Afghanistan... won't end well

So Obam is being held to a higher standard that all the presidents that have come before him... That is reality... It's easy to say things like "We should apologize to Iraq" as a private citizen... Impossible as president... If Obama were to do that he be beaten into a pulp by the right wing and they would use that one pronouncement to render him all but dead politically...

I mean, you and the other two rose-colored-glasses, GfinS and sidekick, LH, don't do reality...

I mean, you can go down the list of things you think Obama should or can do but until you take them glasses off and become informed you three sound like 2 year olds...

Sorry, I am a student of politics and I do reality... I read more differing stories, opinions and articles on a full spectrum of real world events every day than I'd bet the 3 of you do in a year...

That's why I put up a challenge for ya'll to get your heads out of each others asses and actually become part of the real world and not ya'll's make-believe 2 year old's world...

Again, lets do some reality:

1. Obama was handed 2 fucked up wars...

2. Obama was handed the worst economy since the 1920s...

3. Obama was handed the Congress that has been the most obstructionist since 1860...

4. In 2010 the wealthy bought even more of Congress with their Tea Party puppets who are out to destroy the government...

Again, given the "real" realities of what was going to be possible Jesus Christ Himself wasn't going do more than what Obama has done...

Your childish question of what Obama has done that Bush didn't do is just that... When you start asking adult questions then I'll know that you are reading adult materials... Right now, the 3 of you aren stuck at the "Jack 'n Jill" level of reality...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:45 AM

I think you misunderstood the question, bobette. The question is : What has Obama undone of Bush's making?
I can think of only one thing.
Those stupid amber, yellow, red, purple and vermillion alerts ( just joking about the last two...hehe!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:12 AM

Will Fly's post was dead on!..and N.G.'s follow up post was right there with it...(as mine have been, Little Hawk's and a few others, who aren't consumed with 'party politics'...or is that 'potty politics'.
We'll call them 'Partitions' (because that's what they are about), seem to be in a mode of perpetually making up lame excuses, whether it be Repubs or Demo's, because they refuse to look at things the way they really are, and rather keep 'hoping' instead of 'changing'. You'd think that in their hoping, they finally hope that SOMETHING they say, might be at least, in line with what is really going on. Methinks they've 'hoped' and excused' themselves into an alternate reality and universe, AND THEN, more often than not, they are the same characters who attack 'religion'!!!
As I said before, I don't hate Obama...he's only doing what he is paid to do...the problem is, that our tax dollars are buying the best representation of the bankster/corporations agendas that money can buy...and this keeps going on, whether they are from either of their subsidiary political parties!!

...and then the over re-active 'claim' that those who clearly see it, are somehow 'racist', or 'haters'. Some people may or may not only see 'color'....me?..I see 'clear'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:24 AM

bobette is an Obama apologist.
Plain and simple.
I tried to start a more upbeat, positive
"Obama Love Thread", but a moderator combined it with this miasma of negativity.
So, let's do it here.
What do you absolutely love about President Obama?
I think he has a certain hip,
Sammy Davis Jr kind of cool about him.
I bet he would have made a great member of The Rat Pack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:06 PM

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....okay, give me a hint.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:17 PM

Babette: "Got news for you... Obama is neither a king or a dictator... No matter what he privately might want to do there aren't constitutional paths for him to do it... He's doing about as much as he can do given his constitutional powers..."

WHAT!!!???? He's doing everything to eliminate OUR Constitution Rights!!..Jeez....haven't you been hearing the news??..or only reading your Democrat Party pep talk pamphlets??

Babette: "Again, lets do some reality:

Babette: "1. Obama was handed 2 fucked up wars..."

...and got us into a couple of new ones!

Babette: "2. Obama was handed the worst economy since the 1920s...

...and made it a lot worse!

Babette: "3. Obama was handed the Congress that has been the most obstructionist since 1860..."

...No he wasn't..that is an outright lie!...He had EVERYTHING...and pissed it all away on that fucked up, freedom closing Obamacare....if he wanted to he could have done virtually anything he wanted...but instead, rammed through, behind the 'closed doors of transparency' stupid bill that, even more stupider, the dick-wads who voted for it, DIDN'T even read it!!!...and the ones that were on the fence were bribed with exemptions from it!!!....and a lot of them were NOT re-elected for it!..Get a clue!! Now that's what you call representation?????

Babette: "4. In 2010 the wealthy bought even more of Congress with their Tea Party puppets who are out to destroy the government...

The 'wealthy' ALREADY owned Congress, The presidency and both parties!
How do you think numb-nuts got in????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:30 PM

"Obama was handed the worst economy since the 1920s...

...and made it a lot worse!"

Ask GM and the holders of the millions of new jobs that are (too slowly of course) being added... constantly since Obama was elected. Ask the Congressional Budget Office why the deficit is (too slowly for real comfort of course) being **reduced**. Also ask them when the jobs were put on thin ice and the recession started and who racked of the huge debts we are now trying to counter.

Oh, don't bother asking... you wouldn't understand their answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 03:23 PM

..and all those 'shovel ready jobs"!....yeah, he was 'shoveling it', alright......made them corporate/banksters a LOT of money, which never made it to those guys with the imaginary shovels!!!
Imagine that!

...or giving Jeff Immelt half a billion dollars, and made him 'Jobs Czar'...only thing, is that he must have not told him that the jobs were needed in America...Jeff was so dizzy, he made a left turn and gave it all to China....Happy Wal-Mart shopping!!

...not to mention those all to important bailouts....except the people who needed it aren't buying the yachts, that those who got it are....

...and then there's always that job explosion of Obamacare...seems they'll need it, because they're sick of nobody being able to get jobs, because employers are no longer employing because of it...
Well, at least we got another 140,000 new IRS agents to 'administer' health care!

...glad the Post Office is doing a bang out job...sorta like a preview of things to come!

....and look at all the jobs he 'created' by lying about the sequester, why, when the lay offs didn't happen, they'll count that as 'newly created employment'!!

..even notice that, as in this month, 88,000 NEW jobs created....and only 362,000 new unemployment filings...and then they post that the unemployment rate dropped another tenth of a per cent??!!!

..makes great 'pep talk' material...the orgasm should last another day an a half!

Oh well....it doesn't matter....if you believe that shit, it's only because you're addicted to shit!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 06:20 PM

I need to expound on Jeff immelt....here's an short article....worth the read

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 08:16 PM

Nice try, Bill, but there is no stopping the Obama Hate Brigade here... They worm here and weasel there and use every conceivable negative thing as their Holy Grail that Obama deserves their hate...

That's why I refer to them as the "classless and free"... John Lennon had these hater dead to right...

...all fucking peasants as far as I can see...

You won't reach them... I won't... They have appointed themselves as the judge, jury and executioners... They sound a lot like the folks I have known all my life here in the South...

"Me racist??? No, sir, some of my best friends are black"...

Uh huh...

There can be no other explanation... Their stories are too shallow... Their bill of particulars too flimsy... Their rationals too Southern...

Seen it all me life...

But, hey, beats hearing them calling Obama a nigger like a lot of my neighbors so, I guess, they get some credit...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 08:42 PM

Goofballupagus and the aptly named Niggardly Bastard are demonstrating a not uncommon condition for them:   constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the keyboard.

There is no treatment for this condition.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:36 PM

Ya' know some folks do change, Don... Some see the the light while others feel the heat...

It's sad to read these people's bill of particulars... It reminds me of a different time when black people were lynched for the kinds of stuff that we are hearing here...

So I am accused of being an "Obama apologist"???

These 3 should be apologizing for their shallow bill of particulars... Their generalizations... Their parroting of Republican PR talking points...

Like I said, Chongz has all 3 beat all to hell and back in common sense... Well, I didn't actually say that but I have now...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 10:16 PM

You guys are about as spinny as you can get, attributing things to Obama that were never done by him and never in his power tyo do. Alternatively distorting things he has done as though he set about to do criminal things, or destructive things, with absolutely no real-world attention to the had facts of political life in the White House hotseat. As a result of your overheated isinglass-filtered perspective you have a spinny and distorted worldview throwing you around, and you end up frothing at the mouth like so many rabid roof-dogs.

It's kind of sad to see a discussion forum dragged into the much by this sort of invective, isn't it?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 10:45 PM

Confront the issues, bobette, Mr. Firth, Amos.
Don't engage in personal attacks.
Engaging in them makes you look bad.
Petty.
Smallminded.
Obama has filled his cabinet with lobbyists.
He claimed he would not do that.
He lied.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:02 PM

What issues???

Lobbyists???

Okay, N.B.

How about going thru his ALL his cabinet appointees and list which lobby they came from???

Hey, you made the accusation, dude...

Now do the homework... No cherry picking here...

Go thru ALL of them and come back with your findings...

Oh, too much work???

Too bad... You have made the accusation now put your money where you mouth is or shut the fuck up...

Easy to parrot right wing BS, ain't it???

Put up or shut up!!!

All of them, dude...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:13 PM

Here, bobette.
One of many lists.
He Sold You Out!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:26 PM

No, N.B....

You have dodge the question...

YOU made the accusation... I said no cherry picking... Most of those folks never made it into the Obama cabinet...

What you have done is pure simple laziness... You made the claim... You go thru the entire list of cabinet appointees and not rely on some Obama Hate Brigade BS blog-shit...

Get to work... No rightie blog-shit... Lets get real here... There are thousands of folks who are appointed in every administration... Do you even understand that???

I mean, oif you are going to do the accusing then you need to do the homework...

here's a good start... Just take the cabinet appointees that Obama has made... ALL OF THEM...

Get back to us when you have done your homework and not just assumed that some right winged Obama Hate Blog has it covered because guess what???

They don't...

I'll be awaiting your final answer with baited breath...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:49 PM

Blablabla...yakyakyak.....
Just remember bobette.
It wasn't a Republican that proposed cuts to Social Security and Medicare this time around.
It was your Boy Wonder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:18 AM

I thought so.
Not a peep out of you.
But when a Republican so much as mentions cutting Social Security or Medicare
You Boys Scream The Loudest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:27 AM

With THREE links(two provided by me, and one of them was the search page with multiple sites), and Babette says that N.G. is dodging the question, when he's been repeatedly hit with the answers....and the same goes for the Froth-meister...and then they turn around in a glazed eye stupor, try to change the subject, and accuse the people giving them the answers, of being 'haters' bigots, and other names from the 'so-called liberal' play book.
Now I didn't make this stuff up....it's all there, for all to see....and then they go blind..."I diddent see it"
Now come on, if being a dedicated liberal or conservative relies on this kind of blatant dishonest tactic, how can the 'cause' be anything less than deceptive????
you say its white..they say it's black...you say the sky is blue...they say magenta .....you post an article...they don't agree with WHO the source was....you provide a variety of sources...they blame Bush, and call you a name.
Boy, where do I sign up....you guys have sold me!!...(rolls eyes)

Just go for the truth, don't color it...just the truth...it may cause your 'opinions' to align themselves closer to reality!

P.S. Relax, Don, you're excluded!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 08:46 AM

Yo, Don... Can you decipher GfinS last post??? Seems a tad incoherant...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 09:32 AM

bobette.
Your Boy Wonder proposes cutting social spending.
Is that what you elected him for?
Oh I get it.
That's only bad when Republicans propose it.
When Prez al-Obama proposes it, it's a good thing.

Sad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 11:40 AM

Here Bobert, lets go in baby steps.....

"With THREE links(two provided by me, and one of them was the search page with multiple sites), and Babette says that N.G. is dodging the question, when he's been repeatedly hit with the answers....(given by those you pretend to not understand).

Like right now!..You are dodging..and pretending....so who do you ask??..the other 'Great Pretender'!

(continuing)...."and then they turn around in a glazed eye stupor, try to change the subject,"

Like you are trying to do AGAIN, right now!

(Continuing).."and accuse the people giving them the answers, of being 'haters' bigots, and other names from the 'so-called liberal' play book."

So, when people are giving you answers that don't fit into your propaganda indoctrination, (built on lies from Party bosses), you accuse them of being 'haters' and 'bigots', and anything else the usual tactical, worn out, hollow 'play book'. This is because shallow, 'so-called liberals' don't seem to be able to think for themselves, use name calling, as to TRY to discredit, whomever they are talking to, whenever they are cornered and have to confront the truth. They do this because the 'excuse department' ran out of truth and/or logic...so all you got is some lame-ass accusation tossing, hung over from the '60's to try to discredit them....(is that clear enough?)

(continuing)..."Now I didn't make this stuff up....it's all there, for all to see....and then they go blind..."I diddent see it"

Just scroll back and read the posts....you guys do this over and over again, and then when the person whom you FALSELY accuse, by 'name calling', object, and fire back, you try to paint them as a nasty, mean person...and claim something stupid like 'You didn't understand it' or '..it wasn't said clearly enough'(LIKE NOW)...or, you just go on, as if nobody asked you a question about something you posted about your positions!

(Continuing)..."Now come on, if being a dedicated liberal, or conservative relies on this kind of blatant dishonest tactic, how can the 'cause' be anything less than deceptive????"

Self explanatory

(Continuing)..."you say its white..they say it's black...you say the sky is blue...they say magenta .....you post an article...they don't agree with WHO the source was....you provide a variety of sources...they blame Bush, and call you a name.
Boy, where do I sign up....you guys have sold me!!...(rolls eyes)

Always arguing over nothing but the smallest anecdotal 'points', and taking the reverse argument, even when it is not the point being talked about....so, to clarify, the person who you are talking with provides a link, to back up what they are saying, and for you to comment on. Then you start trying to discredit the source, even if the story is truthful, but you don't like what is being said....or, it refutes your position...or, sheds light on something that you don't want to hear, believe, or embarrasses you to the 'reading audience'.....then, the big escape hatch: Blame Bush!.....Sorry, I know Bush was a disaster, but Obama, when elected, had Congress(both houses) but did NOTHING, but push his Obamacare through, which is more of a massive amount of governmental control over the people than anything near 'health care'. He could have done SOMETHING to undo what Bush had done, or he could have reversed some of Bush's 'Executive Orders'...but NO..he did the same fucking things along the same fucking path...up to, and including NDAA!!!!!
Now, with this bit of lame bullshit, along with your 'head in the sand tactics', you want to try to 'entice' people to your position?????
FUCK NO!!..It is not only dishonest, it's lame! Why would anyone 'come over' to an indefensible, dishonest point of view...especially when the proponents of that view act so childish, as a result of holding that view????????

(Too much reading for ya' huh?....next you'll claim fatigue)

These!..I hope that wasn't too strenuous for you two.

Care to comment on the TOPIC?? as per aforementioned?? (Now that you 'should' have had it made clear??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 11:46 AM

Correction: First paragraph:

"So, when people are giving you answers that don't fit into your propaganda indoctrination, (built on lies from Party bosses), you accuse them of being 'haters' and 'bigots', and anything else FROM the usual tactical, worn out, hollow 'play book'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM

The Uni-bomber didn't have anything on you, GfinS, in writing incoherent manifestos... Maybe ya'll related???

As for Social Security, B-man??? I have no problems diddling with not only it but with Medicare... I mean, I see no reason why people who are drowning in cash need it... I also see no reason to not up the cap...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:39 PM

Like I said, bobette.
When your Boy Wonder wants to cut it, it's just the right thing to do.
If say, Sarah Palin wanted to do it, you'd die from apoplexy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:24 PM

Henry, does it enter into your equation that the administration is attempting to find avenues that the GOP will agree to travel? I'm with Bobert: There is no reason on the gods' green earth that people garnering $250,000 and up need a monthly Social Security check that amounts perhaps to $12,000 annually. Chicken feed.

I've had only one really rich friend in my life. One day he was grousing that Social Security is a nuisance that only complicates his taxes.

I said, Why do you accept it?

He: Because it's mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:56 PM

So the way you see it, if a person pays into the fund all their life they better not be too successful.
Or the government gets to keep it all.
It's like their income tax was doubled for their entire life.
You get rewarded for being a slacker and failure.
Oh, that's what you want.
A reward for not trying very hard.
Good for you.
Bad for the people who strove for success.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:57 PM

Bobert: "The Uni-bomber didn't have anything on you, GfinS, in writing incoherent manifestos... Maybe ya'll related???"

From my last post: "Like right now!..You are dodging..and pretending....so who do you ask??..the other 'Great Pretender'!
(continuing)...."and then they turn around in a glazed eye stupor, try to change the subject,"

Like you are trying to do AGAIN, right now!"

AND>>..............(from what you just read, in my post):....."This is because shallow, 'so-called liberals' don't seem to be able to think for themselves, use name calling, as to TRY to discredit, whomever they are talking to, whenever they are cornered and have to confront the truth. They do this because the 'excuse department' ran out of truth and/or logic...so all you got is some lame-ass accusation tossing, hung over from the '60's.."

Now, being as right now you are being 'stopped in your tracks', and called on it..wouldn't it seem, on your behalf to pause and reflect...just to consider another point of view...that just be more accurate???

Hey, I'm on YOUR side....you just haven't defined it well enough for your own well being!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 05:07 PM

"You get rewarded for being a slacker and failure."

Pure Ayn Rand.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 05:28 PM

GfinS has never made it a secret that Ayn Rand is like, ahhhh, a god...

BTW, I am sticking with my position on Social Security and they are completely apolitical... Gazillionaires sucking out money they can't begin to spend is a large part of the problem...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 09:14 PM

Your posts, both of you, are yet another example of what I was just posting about dodging the questions. Are you FINALLY admitting that your bullshit arguments have run out of stink??

My contention is that Obama, by continuing Bush's policies, and NOT undoing some of Bush's executive orders, wars, implementation of NDAA, holding onto the 'Patriot Act' etc etc, is not only a reason NOT to hate Obama, but to recognize that the 'difference' between them, is mostly illusion, and neither represent the people or intentions of the people who support(s/ed) them. You've made excuses for the present President's 'behavior', even when it goes against what he said he stands for, or what you say YOU stand for!..but like controlled creatures of habit, you just keep doing it, instead of taking an honest look at it, and saying to yourselves, "Now hold on, wait a minute...maybe I find myself contradicting what I say I believe in, maybe I'm tired of telling lies, and playing stupid on his behalf, when he is betraying me, and saying one thing but doing another"....The 'Conservatives' started to have that flash about Bush even before his second term. As far as the 'right' being more correct than the 'left' or vice verse, your behavior patterns are identical...and they(your controllers) count on it....an in doing so, NOTHING gets changed!...except the AMOUNT of control you submit yourselves to be under...What the fuck happened to independent thinking??...and as 'artists', THAT should bug the hell out of you!!!
But NO!!...you lower yourselves to a lesser level of intelligence, and try encouraging people to do the same!...What the fuck is wrong with you two???
Now I don't expect either of you guys to answer, but hopefully it's given you some food for reflection and introspection.
One good thing that could come out of it, is it works to break the creative block, and get your minds to work a little higher than wasting its energy thinking up of half witted excuses, that keep running out of steam!!!

Hoping the Best!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 12:06 AM

I approve GfS's message.
Grow up and think for yourselves for a change.
Successful people shouldn't get Social Security payments?
Then they should never have to pay into that welfare system.
Social Security is Welfare?
SSI is.
All those people who's unemployment insurance payments ran out are eligible for SSI payments. And Obama wants to cut Unemployment Benefits. Forcing more people onto the welfare rolls.
Which he wants to cut too.
He is so much like Ronald Reagan it scares me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 12:11 AM

Any time now I expect Prez al-Obama to start babbling about Faith Based Initiatives and churches and charities taking over social programs.
You heard it here first.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:08 AM

Judging from the nearly identical writing "style" and the subterranean level of "reasoning" of the two, and that the two seem to be butt-pattingly sweet on each other, I'm beginning to think that Niggardly Bastard and Goofballupagus are the same person!

It's called "multiple personality disorder."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:12 AM

Come on Mr. Firth.
You can do better.
Confront the issues.
Your line about me and GfS has begun to sound like a broken record.
You sound like a petulant child.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:44 AM

I have confronted the issues many times, but you two Bozos don't like what I've said and keep bitching that I'm NOT confronting the issues.

Convenient way of trying to blow off someone who's opinion you don't like, but it's an all too transparent dodge on the part of you two.

Or is it just one?

Ta ta.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:11 AM

We're not the same person. BUT, you are evading the subject put forth. No soul searching for you, huh?...but then that ain't the first time!
Try, for once to stick to the topic, without trying to discredit people who disagree with you.
Try this one, can you imagine the upheaval in this country is Obama, after running up the unemployment with his fiscal policies, yanks their unemployment too??? Do you think that the corporations would love to get their hands on slave labor, who would do about anything just to survive??
A thought worth thinking.....being as YOUR checks would stop too!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:21 AM

Pay attention to all the Mudcatters who have basically agreed with GfS, myself and Songwronger, Mr. Firth.
People I'm sure you like, respect and enjoy the online company of.
Little Hawk
Will Fly
Stringsinger
Just to name a few.
Try to think outside the little box you have created for yourself.
And that goes double for bobette.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:09 AM

Yup, Don... The two are hopelessly stuck playing that 2 year old's game of "Why?" after you answer their childish questions... Plus, thinking of Social Security as "welfare" make them both right winged Ayn Rand worshipers...

90% of "welfare" now goes to the 1%...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 10:43 AM

Bobert: "The two are hopelessly stuck playing that 2 year old's game of "Why?" after you answer their childish questions... Plus, thinking of Social Security as "welfare" make them both right winged Ayn Rand worshipers..."

False...and I know the difference between welfare and SS...

Now, would you care to address the issue?...or hide, like that two year old you were talking about?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 12:45 PM

What issue now, GfinS???

Be concise, por favor... Your winding manifestos are all but impossible to read, let alone decipher...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:12 PM

What is this??..a combination of ADD and deja vu???

From my earlier post:
"Just scroll back and read the posts....you guys do this over and over again, and then when the person whom you FALSELY accuse, by 'name calling', object, and fire back, you try to paint them as a nasty, mean person...and claim something stupid like 'You didn't understand it' or '..it wasn't said clearly enough'(LIKE NOW)...or, you just go on, as if nobody asked you a question about something you posted about your positions!"

...but here, Ill accommodate you ONCE AGAIN!:

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:11 AM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 09:14 PM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 11:40 AM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:17 PM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 03:23 PM

Take your pick...and while you're at it, BEFORE you post again, saying you don't understand it, how come you understand it enough to piss you off, but not enough to have an intelligent exchange over it????.....or is it you have to run it by Don, so he can instruct you how to say nothing???...or change the subject??...or call people meaningless names???

Sometimes you guys remind me off the Nixon devotees who blamed everyone but Nixon...even up to the time he resigned....and they STILL didn't see why!....(but then, this country probably couldn't handle the real reason why, and what else he was protecting...but that's another story) Let's not drift anymore.
You created this post because you say people hate Obama....people have pointed out why they question him, and his 'loyalties' vs. his actions vs. his words. It have nothing to do with 'hating' him, because he SAYS he represents an ideology, or because he's black, and everyone, except for you, is a 'racist' or 'bigot'..THAT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE!!...in case you haven't noticed!
..and whole you're at it, can you justify the Monsanto Immunity rider being attached into the Democratic budget proposal??...now that certain 'key Republicans' are starting to 'like' the budget. Ya' think that control over the food supply just 'might' have something to do with it?
Jeez, if you don't answer SOMETHING, the list is just going to keep getting longer, and your 'zeal' for Obama will just be a free ride on the conveyor belt to loonie-dom!
Either of you...or anyone??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:23 PM

Two typos..Correction"

1st Paragraph after the list of posts should read: "Sometimes you guys remind me OF the Nixon devotees who blamed everyone but Nixon.."
Last paragraph should read:"..and WHILE you're at it, ...."

That's just in case you don't read typonese.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 04:42 PM

I think they have it, Bobert, and I will leave them to it.

It seems that whenever—IF ever!—the Niggardly Goofballupagus Bastard asks any kind of question of us and loudly demands a response, they (it) have it buried in such a pile of base insults and wild-eyed rants that it's next to impossible to detect it as a question.

I know that my knowledge of political science is well-founded and I'm well up on current events and I know who's trying to do what and why they are trying to do it.

Whenever it's possible do actually decipher Niggardly Goofballupagus Bastard's spittle-spraying ranting and raving (which is rare), the question that emerges is loaded and dumb, like "do you still beat your wife?"

I'm not going to play their stupid game. They're here merely to inflate their own egos anyway.

Now, watch it say, "So you can't answer my question and you're taking the coward's way out!!! I BEAT you, I BEAT you, I BEAT you!!!"

No. I'm not going to waste my time with someone whose mind is close, locked, and incapable of understanding or participating in a rational discussion and prefers to indulge in personal insults instead.

Besides, Niggardly Goofballupagus Bastard BORES me!

Don Firth

P. S. Reminds me of my loony neighbor down the street who is convinced that "THEY" have drones hovering outside her window and "THEY" are spying on her. "Who?" you ask. "Obama!" she whispers, so she can't be overheard by the hidden microphones the FBI has hidden in her apartment.

Why the hell would Obama or the FBI want to spy on her?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 05:16 PM

Yup, Don... You have hit the nail on the head...

Whomever these people are they have serious communication problems...
I mean, just getting them to ask a simple question or make a simple statement is like going on a Helter Kelter Scavenger Hunt...

Now if either of these people want to ask a question that isn't a loaded "are you still beating your wife" question then here's how it is done... Just ask the question, sans the insanity and verbiage... Here's an idea... Ask the question direct in 20 words or less without the scavenger hunt BS... No, I'm not going to go back and reread thru reems and reams and reams of free association meanderings...

Just ask the fucking question...

Is that too much to ask??? (6 words... See how easy it is???)

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 05:52 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 05:55 PM

Sorry. I was just reading what Bobert posted (right on!) and my computer got the hiccups.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 06:43 PM

"Pay attention to all the Mudcatters who have basically agreed with GfS, myself and Songwronger, "

That should be an easy assignment. Frankly, except for Henry, GfS and sometimes SongWrong (you're not radical enough but too incoherent for him) I have not noticed anyone who agrees with you. I don't count Little Hawk- he is a flitter with his own agenda.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 06:56 PM

I invite you to unfold the particulars of your wild-eyed accusations and over-inflated assertions, gentlemen, and boil them down to specific statements and actions, with a context of who was making what efforts and who was countering them in what way. I think you will find that the President is wrestling a tankful of alligators, while you are leaping about on the margins jeering because his pants are muddy, doing nothing to suggest improvements, not to correct the dire conditions he is trying to put right, nor anything to unburden him in the struggle against autocratic, ideology-driven short-sighted and mindless fixed ideas from the right AND from the far left. You guys should count yourself lucky a man of reason is even near the White House given the degree of psychosis rampant in the arena in these bizarre times. Kisten to Bobert and do your fucking homework, or gibber on as the overheated fucktards you seem to be.


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Subject: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 07:04 PM

I recently upset some people here by saying Obama is a fascist, so maybe I was wrong. Rush Limbaugh calls him a socialist. But what is a socialist?

Socialism, n.: 1. A political theory advocating state ownership of industry. 2. An economic system based on state ownership of capital.

I'm not sure if Obama is a socialist. Let's see what the World Socialist Website has to say about Obama today.


OBAMA DEFENDS PLAN TO CUT MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY

White House officials indicated in a press conference last week that the (Obama's) budget proposal will include $1.2 trillion in spending cuts over ten years, including $400 billion in cuts to Medicare and other health care programs and $130 billion from reducing inflation calculations linked to Social Security payments.


COMMUNITIES ACROSS U.S. FEEL IMPACT OF SEQUESTRATION CUTS

Over one million federal workers are set to begin unpaid furloughs this month, amounting to pay cuts of anywhere from 20 to 30 percent. Sequestration has also prompted the extension of a pay freeze already in force for federal workers. The cuts will result in the equivalent of 750,000 full-time job losses throughout the economy, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Other projections place the job losses as high as 2 million with the cuts reducing the gross domestic product by 0.6 percent this year.


THOUSANDS OF SCIENTISTS PROTEST U.S. CUTS TO MEDICAL RESEARCH

Thousands of scientists and researchers marched in Washington, DC Monday as the US government was set to cut seven percent of its $140 billion annual budget for scientific research due to the federal sequester. Up to 15,000 scientists from around the country attended the rally, which was called by the American Association for Cancer Research.


It doesn't look like the World Socialist Website considers Obama a socialist. Why is that? Anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 07:07 PM

Because he is, in fact, neither a socialist nor a fascist. These labels are among the many that are inaccurately gathered up by fucktards like so many horse apples in order to be flung about indiscriminately by arm-waving nutjobs who don't knopw the difference between a rational proposition and a bucket of cameleopard piss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 07:18 PM

AMEN TO THAT AMOS!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 07:43 PM

I'm sure that Amos meant "Listen" rather than "Kisten" 'cause I don't want none of the ObamaHateBrigade "kisten" on me or anyone I know... Maybe they could get together and kisten on one another???

But, yeah... Simply put... The Krinkx is a redneck and GfinS insane and LH is what ever he wants to be that day... Some days he's a monkey and other days a drunk in the trailer??? And then there's the wrongman... No comment as the English language hasn't come up with the correct words yet...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 07:50 PM

No. But it would be nice if he was. You might get a real single payer health coverage plan like they have in most of the rest of the developed world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:08 PM

Gosh! Do they have cameleopard piss in San Diego, Amos? There sure isn't any available around here. What do you do with it, rub it behind your ears?

The problem with textbook definitions of socialism is that they seem to treat it as an all-or-nothing proposition. In fact, all modern societies naturally contain a certain amount of socialism...usually mixed in with a certain amount of capitalism. It doesn't HAVE to be all one or all the other, and it very seldom is.

Therefore, any president of the USA is in fact governing over a partially socialist and partially capitalist system no matter how you look at it, so does that make him "a socialist"? Or "a capitalist"? Only if you ignore all the stuff that doesn't fit your textbook definition.

We've had numerous discussions here going way back about what socialism is...and it is a number of things besides what the dictionary bothers telling you in its brief definition. Every single thing that is done through government funding (taxation), and by government-employed personnel is socialist in nature. That includes things like public libraries, public parks and recreation facilities, airports, harbours, environmental agencies, water regulation agencies, public health facilities, public schools, fire departments, police, armed forces, courts and legal system and jails, garbage collection, highway maintenance....every frickin' thing imaginable that is there to take care of a general and very obvious public NEED rather than to make a profit for the owners of a privately owned business.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:17 PM

Actually, Socialism is exactly what the US needs right now to counter a 30 years assault on the working man...

Too bad we don't have it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: kendall
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:20 PM

Amos, you do have a way with words! LOL.

I wish more people would look up the real meaning of words that they bandy about with no clue of their real meaning.
For example:
A newscaster on TV. "The whole forest was decimated". I've never seen a wind so smart that it could count!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:27 PM

But didn't Obama run for president while making promises to strengthen the social safety nets? Surely he ran as a socialist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:30 PM

The word he was looking for was "devastated".


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:38 PM

Ok boys and girls.
Simple questions.
Do you approve of giving Monsanto immunity?
Do you approve of cutting social spending?
Are you proud of your Boy Wonder's performance as President?
Do you feel betrayed?
Why? Why not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:50 PM

Oh, I think I get it now. Obama used Obamacare to force Americans to buy private health insurance. That's kind of the OPPOSITE of state ownership of industry. lol. Rush Limbaugh's just joking with us, isn't he? Obama's in favor of private sector growth. Like with those cancer patients his sequester forced off of Medicare. Now they have to find private health insurance resources or die. lol. Obama's a kidder too. I'm glad we have leaders with a sense of humor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Socialist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:54 PM

"But didn't Obama run for president while making promises to strengthen the social safety nets? Surely he ran as a socialist. '

He ran for president promising to protect what was there already.

Bush was the one who added a new "benefit" to Medicare.

Not that facts matter to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:59 PM

I have a lot of problems with GMOs in general... It is not only messed up in terms of patents but also killing our bees...

So what???

Cutting social spending??? Yeah, like I have said, I don't think people drowning in cash need Social Security... There needs to be changes where the money goes where it is needed...

Obama is doing a great job... As Amos pointed out above he has had to deal with a lot of whacked out people on the other side yest has done it with grace...

No, I do not feel betrayed in any manner...

The problem you have, Krinkz, is that you do not posses either the intelligence or temperament to comprehend "politics"... One or the other or perhaps both...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:03 PM

One more.
Is the NDAA something you wanted? Is it the reason you voted for Prez al-Obama?
And there are at least 3 kinds of $ocial $ecurity payments.
One kind when you're disabled.
One kind when you retire.
One kind when you're destitute.
I applied for disability.
The Social Security Administration employee I spoke to told me that I could get SSI which SHE SAID WAS WELFARE If I didn't have too much money in the bank or too nice a car.
Of course I couldn't get a damn thing from them.
I have an IRA with a little money in it.
And my Silverado was too nice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:09 PM

bobette keeps bringing up depriving wealthy people of their Social Security Benefits.

That's not what Wonder Boy proposes.
He wants to cut everyone's.
Not just Rush Limbaugh's.
Enjoy hyper inflation on less money, bobette.
It's on its way


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:13 PM

I love the Obama Hate Thread. Thank you, bobette.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:13 PM

No, I answered your questions...

No more answers until you answer this one:

Why do you hate Obama??? Oh, and please elaborate...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:19 PM

I don't hate him bobette.
I know he's just a patsy and fall guy.
He has betrayed all the people who hoped for change, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:44 PM

He has only betrayed folks who are completely void of any knowledge of politics, American history and the real world...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:53 PM

Oh!...perfect timing!!.....
I agree with that message!
(What goes around, comes around)
And Bobert, I, as others have posted that we don't hate Obama(it's bad for your emoting on the strings)...but there ARE concerns for those who blindly blather contrary to evident events that say differently. (boy!..say that three times real fast)...the Monsanto Immunity Rider that he signed has NO BUSINESS in the Democratic Budget Proposal...or do I have that backward??.....Monsanto's bill is ALL about business, and to get it into law, sneakily, for the purpose of giving that corporation immunity from all future damages, physical or financial, from the use of their TESTED AND UNTESTED products!...and exempt them from having to label. Man, you gotta have some paid off puppets to pull that one off!!.....and getting to get the president to sign off on a bill of that nature that Monsanto WROTE!!...("Here, tell the President to sign this...don't worry, it'll be kept quiet, because OUR news outlets won't cover it..we'll see to it!") Sorry guys, but THAT is a pisser!!..Oh yeah, that's right he's 'doing the will of the people' ..and if they don't like it, well there's always NDAA!....but first we better disarm them...and fast..time is running out.....they're wising up!...damn social networking!...what can we do to get people off from using Facebook??....the stuff that's being posted is outside either of OUR parties' influence!!.....

but that's OKAY, guys....(I'll speak for myself)...'Good evening officer, I'm not with the party, I'm with the band!'

GfD


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 10:03 PM

Yo, GfinS... Your knowledge of politics is ZERO...

I went after Bush over Iraq and Afghanistan but I wasn't into busting his balls on E-V-E-R-Y L-I-T-T-L-E T-H-I-N-G...

You are a HATER!!!

PERIOD!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Love Thread
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 11:27 PM

It looks like my thread about Obama's socialism was merged with this one. I don't want my thread to be on Bobert's hate thread. Please restore mine and call it the Obama Love Thread. Obama is forcing cancer patients off of Medicare, and that's good for the planet, to get the population down. We need to LOVE leaders who show that much compassion for the planet. Obama's just breaking a few eggs to make an omelette. Surely we can all agree that the sick and old need to die. It makes perfect Obamalove sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:57 AM

I approve Songwronger's message.
And an Obama Love Thread is a wonderful idea.
I wish I had thought of that.
Share Your Obamalove.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 03:10 AM

Bobert: "I went after Bush over Iraq and Afghanistan but I wasn't into busting his balls on E-V-E-R-Y L-I-T-T-L-E T-H-I-N-G...
You are a HATER!!!"

"E-V-E-R-Y L-I-T-T-L-E T-H-I-N-G..."??????

So, a mega global corporation, covering their ass, as not to held liable, Write their own bill, the President signs it quietly, slips it into the budget, which in reality has nothing to do with budgeting, to exempt themselves from damages they may cause, while they take over the food supply, farms, quality of food, untested GMOs which we ingest, alter the very nature of plants to be immune to their pesticides, which lowers the nutritional value next to worthless is a 'little thing'?????....OKA-A-A-Y???....and because I call that to your attention, (being as the corporate owned media won't cover it), that makes me a hater????
So, have you thought of, instead of trying to convince everyone that I'm a 'hater' how about contacting your Democratic representatives and hold them accountable, for the sake of the public, and nation??
Does that sound like 'hate' to you???
Like I said, in one of the posts you will not address, "(Continuing)..."you say its white..they say it's black...you say the sky is blue...they say magenta .....you post an article...they don't agree with WHO the source was....you provide a variety of sources...they blame Bush, and call you a name.
Boy, where do I sign up....you guys have sold me!!...(rolls eyes)"

Bobert, Dear Bobert, whom I love dearly, it's not working...and why?..because it's not true. They are merely excuses for the corporations to buy more time, with the help of the hired government, to seize more control over every aspect of our lives, and to not be held accountable nor liable for any damage...in other words Carte Blanche to completely run a muck, without recourse, or the people being represented in any way....and this is in the budget as a rider????
Let me quote you, back to you..OK?..."Your knowledge of politics is ZERO..."
...and by the way, my knowledge of 'politics' is enough to know that politics is just a polite way to say, "Fuck you people, we're going to fuck you over, for me and my cronies and make you enthusiastically go along with it!....shit, we'll even get you to do our lying for us"

More on this later, but I don't want to tire you out, so you lose comprehension.

GfS

P.S. See if you can come up with some better names to call people who give a shit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:04 AM

People who blather on about how much education they have and / or how long they have been doing something.
Blowing their own horn.
It's pretty childish.
And not very effective in an argument.
You can do better, bobette.
Try again.
We're not picking on your Wonder Boy over minor issues.
He sold you a bill of goods.
Now he's finding underhanded ways to screw you over.
Face reality.
Stop making excuses for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 08:11 AM

S.S.D.D form the usual S.S.D.D. clowns...

Yawn...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 10:17 AM

Sad.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 10:29 AM

Yes it is, GfinS...

I made it perfectly clear to ya'll what a question is yet...

...what do I get??? The same long winded, free association crap...

If you have an actual question regarding policy then a 20 word post will suffice...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:00 PM

OK! Heard this before???????(From somebody (me)who actually read it?)

GfS

P.S. 20 words or less!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:41 PM

Bobert doesn't need anyone to speak for him - he is quite capable of doing that for himself - but please note that when he speaks of his education and career experience his opinions were formed from that very same education and experience.

There are a couple (three?) on here who are talking off the top of their heads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:21 PM

Well thank you...it's nice to know that several people here who share the same opinion, and provided proof with links, are pretty sharp! Makes one have to question the quality of our education system!
Don, as well like to boast his 'educated' political science prowess, but also seems to be able to answer questions straightly, without trying to 'win'(as he calls it), people to see 'his' way....without providing VERY LITTLE real substance, and resorts to trying to 'win' (as he calls it), over the consensus by attempting to manipulate the bias, by discrediting(?), whomever he is 'losing' (as he would refer it)the discussion with.
Don't you think, (even off the top of your head), that that is somewhat stupid??...that is, IF you are trying to impress others with his prowess??s?? ...and moreover, trying to share REAL information, to educate??
I know, Ebbie, that you share certain political views and biases, from those views....we agree on the single payer plan as being 'superior' and the correct spelling of 'root' vs 'route'...but even you may stop and think this a little deeper....here you have 'so-called' liberals who favor government over corporations. I have argued for years, now, that they are one and corporations have been corrupting the political system, right?..and that they have corrupted
BOTH parties, right? Bobert takes exception to that, saying it's the Republicans and the Tea Party, right?..ya' with me now?
Monsanto writing bills to be slipped into the Democrat budget, which is signed and endorsed by the President,...
Lobbyists filling his cabinet postistions.... and Rockefeller the creator of 'Obamacare'?? ..Geithner, from the IMF, our Treasurer, who is BORROWING massive amounts of money, under the guise of putting people back to work('questionable stimulus'), only to find out the bankers and corporations are holding onto it, not releasing, while we pay MASSIVE amounts of interest to his banking buddies??..'increasing the budget by trillions....paid in interest, while cutting back social programs.....
..and then you feel it 'objectionable' to question wisdom of self professed 'educated' people about this, by other educated people?
Only to have them accuse us of being 'haters'?..'bigots'?..and that we 'don't know anything'????
OK..we don't know anything..OK??..YOU TELL USE, then!!

Fair enough??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:22 PM

And out of that couple or three, I see nothing but hate, negativism, misinformation, screwed up ideas based on petty prejudices, insults and put-downs--and not one iota of actual knowledge of history and politics, let alone a cohesive philosophical position.

Ancient Scandinavian proverb:   An empty bucket makes the most noise.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:35 PM

...and back to ya'"

"And out of that couple or three, I see nothing but hate, negativism, misinformation, screwed up ideas based on petty prejudices, insults and put-downs--and not one iota of actual knowledge of history and politics, let alone a cohesive philosophical position.
Ancient Scandinavian proverb:   An empty bucket makes the most noise."

Now are you going to stop the bullshit, and post something REAL?????????????

Waiting...
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:49 PM

So, for the 20th time, GfinS, and last time...

If you have a question regarding policy please ask it using:

1. 20 words or less

2. in your own words and

3. not related to blue clicky thing...

Just spit it out, dude... No games... No meandering free association manifestos that rival that of the Uni-bomber... Just ask the fucking question...

Your link to Jay Rockerfeller wasn't a question...

BTW, unless you have taken the time to investigate the blue clicky and know for a fact that it is 100% accurate and unbiased then why post them???

Do you know who started and owned the Washington Times until his death last year??? No, I didn't think so... BTW, here's a question for you...

Who started and owned the Washington Times before his death last year???

Part B:

What political party was this individual closely affiliated???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 03:12 PM

Goofy, I've posted one helluva lot of REAL, VERIFIABLE information on these threads, but you don't like it, so you think you can cut my credibility by coming back with stupid insults.

Others here CAN read and think, and they know where I'm coming from, so your opinion doesn't mean a tinker's dam to me.

Also, They know that you're pissed at me because I revealed your dirty little secret.

Would you like me to do it again?

Over and out!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 03:52 PM

Un-FUCKING-Believable!!

To Bobert:..One explananation..and one short question:

Explain why corporations and bankers are needlessly running up the debt, on interest and their profiteering, and asking the taxpayers to pay the debt on those LOANS and interest(stimulus), while holding onto the money for themselves.... (and question) IS THIS CORRUPTION??

Another short question:

Do you feel that increased taxes should be raised to pay for the interest to those same bankers while cutting back on social programs?

Another short question: Aren't the Republicans and not the Democrats, employing the aid and support from mega corporations and bankers, and repaying them with political allowances, favors and exemptions?..so much that the Republicans, and not Democrats are corrupted??

Don, you can post anything you want...even your fraudulent secret...I don't give a shit!
You've bantered around and around, and just gone in circles with your accusations, attempts of discrediting(so you think, therefore deluded yourself), posted no facts, except that you say you did, and paraded yourself around like you are the guru on the hill, (read: 'Fool') but have not posted anything of value. Wanna' give it a whirl??...or just keep knocking people?..because you think you're good at it??
(...and there's a couple of questions for you).

Maybe others might like to ask you 'expert advice', Teach us!!..or shut the fuck up!..as well.
See if you can break your pattern.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:18 PM

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH as usual.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:18 PM

I approve GfS's message.
In simple terms a simple question.
Why is it a shit sandwich when the Republicans want to cut social spending and Filet Mignon when the Democrats want to do it?
Another: Why doesn't your Boy Wonder's shit stink?
If it were anybody else you'd be bitterly complaining.
Instead you make excuses and insult anyone who questions the actions of Prez al-Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:33 PM

The answer to your question, GfinS, is simple: Because they can...

Wall Street crooks need to go to jail... If I were president, I'd throw a bunch of 'um in jail...

There, I answered your question...

Now maybe you'll answer the two I asked you...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:36 PM

President Obama is currently being deluged with phone calls, letters, and a whole snow storm of petitions.

We'll see how he responds to the will of the people.

Contrary to your narrow and partisan viewpoint, Niggardly Bastard or Goofballupagus or whoever you're being at the moment, we "loony liberals" are NOT giving Obama a free pass. The ball's in his court now. So before anybody takes him out and hangs him, let's see how he plays it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:53 PM

Let's lighten up. And listen to a tune


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:56 PM

Wouldn't you know it.
Linkmaker on the fritz.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:19 PM

So when the discussion gets too near the real issue, you want to go listen to some music?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:21 PM

Anyway, when the historians tell the tale of Prez al-Obama it will be the typical tale of absolute power corrupting absolutely.
He came in with all this idealism.
And sold his soul to the capitalist devils.
Reminds me of that old movie ,All The King's Men. Starring Broderick Crawford.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:06 PM

The problem that neither of you get, B-Man, is that we are a nation of laws... Obama is neither a king or a dictator... He realizes the constitutional restrictions that come with the job and therefore, in spite of all the right wing BIG LIES, the number signing statements and executive orders are down under Obama than Bush...

Here's a question for you, B-Man:

Should Obama break the laws to keep you right winged haters happy???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 11:52 PM

So, they ask me to ask specific questions, and all we get back is "Blah blah blah'..and some random, vague chit chat...

Do you approve of a corporation writing a bill that the president signs, that grants them immunity from damages cause by their product, and having it being signed into law, by being a rider in the national budget?...just a simple 'yes' or 'no' would suffice.

Should bills be passed that people who vote for the bill, be exempt from the outcome of the bill that they signed. yes or no.

Do the ends justify the means? yes or no.

Very very simple.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 12:01 AM

You're citing generalities, Goofballupagus.

How about specific instances?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 01:39 AM

I'm a Green Party supporter, bobette.
Not a right winger.
And it's not a crime if the president does it.
According to Nixon and Criminal Junior.
Don, I just wanted to lighten the mood a little with a tune after GfS and I crushed your every argument in favor of your boy's actions.
Go listen to a tune.
Don't get all worked up over your defeat.
I recommend Bobbie Gentry's Ode to Billie Joe. It will make you feel better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 02:43 AM

So, you're saying, 'It depends who's doing it, if it's OK?
Is that specific enough?
Your talking politics, as opposed to principles and values??
Are you insinuating that they can't or shouldn't be of the same substance?? no matter who is doing it??
Do you see ANY ideologue politician out there, whose values match principles, down to their personal lives??....because they are being the change and standing for a better 'idea', that just might have integrity involved?....Not particularly one you like, exactly, one who is up front and reads what he votes on, and his vote is cast representing the will of the people, rather than an agenda, that cloaks its intentions?

I D-o-o-o-o-o-n't think so....and that is where your politics sucks square eggs, because truth doesn't hide an agenda..that is only hidden from those who don't want to look at the truth...or unless they're blind!....Oh, and there are a lot of blind people out there...convincing people to trust in their hidden agendas, which they bring about by deceit, cunning, and trickery.
We've talked about the media...and corporate corruption of the body politic...but the corporate owned media owns both biases..let's say Fox vs MSNBC....and the corporate interests, through their stories being reported, aim their biases and arguments to the left or right, depending which flavor you be, and who you like to listen too.....and there is a BIG gap as to how the same story is reported....enough, to form two very opposed view points. So we strut our selves, wise in our conceits, and have contention and related hostilities in our country, arguing the very points, using our 'sources' in the media....which is like a cat chasing it's tail...because that big corporate mindset, that owns the media, dictate the national dialogue, and while America argues...they just keep slippin' more stuff through, into law, that's sole purpose is to make us subservient, while paying them for our chains.
And if you have no principles or values, this is perfectly alright, isn't it?
....or is that too many questions?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 04:33 AM

I'm so disappointed in you guys. Your generation protested the war in Viet Nam.
You started underground newspapers and weren't afraid to go after the capitalist pigs.
Now the wool's been pulled over your eyes and all you can do is stick your head in the sand like an ostrich.
bobette, you said that in his 2nd term Obama would show some gumption and stick up for us little people.
Well I'm waiting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 08:04 AM

GfinS,

You didn't answer the two questions I asked you...

B-Man,

You didn't answer the question I asked you... Oh, and if you are the same person as the Krinkx, which we both know you are, your claims of being a supporter of the Green Party, is dubious...

BTW, seeing as your attentions span is limited let me ask you again:

"Should Obama break the laws to make you happy?"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 08:19 AM

He is breaking the law and it has me in stitches.
He hasn't done anything to enforce federal marihuana laws in Colorado or Washington State.
That is a violation of his Oath of Office.
And makes him an accessory to the crimes.
You guys have become so sheeplike in your old age.
You've turned into your grandparents.
Never questioning your government.
Believing in a change that's never going to happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 11:20 AM

Bobert, post your questions again....providing you will consider the answers...fair enough?

N.G., The people in Colorado voted to legalize it, as they did Washington. Stated have that right. In California, they also voted to ban homosexuals from marrying, but that is being contested, as you know. One is said to be a Constitutional issue, and the other is from legislation brought forth later, thanks to Hearst and LaGuardia. Seems that Hearst, who owned the largest newspapers in last century, bought up a lot of the forests in California in which to make pulp paper, the paper from which newsprint paper is made from. Hemp paper was also used, but to protect his investment, and own the lion's share of newsprint, he launched a massive campaign, via his papers, against his competitors. The rest is history.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 11:46 AM

I approve GfS's message. We fought a Civil War to settle the issue of State's Rights.
Thank God we settled it.
With this 150th post, the Obama Hate Thread is another smash hit for both bobette and the Mudcat.
Thank you once again, bobette.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 12:50 PM

That being said, the issue of the two conflicting laws, many folks in Colorado, from what I've seen, have an inherent distrust of government, and are still being discreet because of it. Idiots who flaunt their habits in public will most likely always be idiots who flaunt their habits in public, whether it be being drunk in public, their sexual behaviors, or getting high and acting obnoxious, to list three. Interestingly enough, there are some serious musicians, who have the reputation of getting high, through association of just being a musician, who will not tolerate their other session musicians from being drunk or high during practices and performances. Believe it or not, Frank Zappa was one of them...Show up drunk or high for a rehearsal or performance and it was instantly 'Good Bye'!...and most people just couldn't believe it...but it was true.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 01:40 PM

What Would Willie Do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 02:35 PM

Willie???..get a blow job from Monica while eating a pizza on the phone!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 02:49 PM

I thought Big Macs were his thang.
( bobette has been strangely silent ).


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 05:10 PM

Hey, that's OK..maybe he's reading the posts and checking things out, and getting an education, instead of listening to Professor Blowhard...come to think of it.....nawww.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 07:49 PM

Sorry folks, but we have company for the next day or so so that means the P-Vine wants me to be entertaining them...

Later...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 10:04 PM

Well for God's sakes, play like hell for them!!....or something like that!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:52 AM

Yea, bobette.
Beat the pants off of that homemade guitar.
I know you can do it.
I seen you on YouTube.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 01:50 AM

Dats da Spirit!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 05:14 PM

They're gone...

Now as for the questions I asked of ya'll???

GfinS,

I can't believe that you didn't notice them... Unlike yours I didn't surround them with "War & Peace" length ramblings... Go find them... They won't be hard to find... They have ? marls behind them...

Krinkx,

Same with you...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:21 PM

I answered yours, bobette.
Obama is digging his own grave on a daily basis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:26 PM

No, guess again...

Your answer is not to the question I asked of you... It's not even related to the question I asked of you...

See, that's the problem we have here... You ask me a direct question and I give a direct answer... I ask you a question and rather than answer it you just spit more moronic hate not related at all to the question I asked...

I mean, it's like I ask you "What 2 + 3 equals?" and ya'll's answer is...

..."yellow"???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:27 PM

Obama is a complete disappointment.
No brag.
Just fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:29 PM

1917.

lol

I always suspected he was a hundred years behind the times, but the confirmation is just so

lol


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:34 PM

No doubt about it, my typo has given you children a toy to play with when you can't come up with anything of substance.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:50 PM

well, Bobert, I trust you played well.
OK..You have more than two questions and some appear to be rhetorical.
find which ones and post 'em. I'll do my best to answer.
Keep in mind, I'm not coming from a 'right' or 'left' point of view, though my answers may incorporate elements of both...and the reason I said 'Keep in mind', is because I'm neither on the 'right' or 'left'.. and usually, I'm ambidextrous.

If I was a Republican, I would have voted for McCain, I suppose, BUT, when the first elections were going on, I posted the exact reason I wasn't going to vote for him...and if you recall, it had to do with the Lincoln Savings and Loan issue, his involvement, and his pardon!
We have that same shit today..and...his was just the tip of the iceberg, back then..but it was brushed off in the media, with rather vague 'details'..but he did get pardoned.........and, of course, there was the housing finance scandal, you remember..the ones with the sub prime interest rates..and now Obama is pushing a similar program...like we don't remember the last one....but let's not drift here, too far...Shoot me those questions, OK?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:51 PM

Krinkz, a.k.a. N.B, and his buds cannot or will not allow the reality that being president is not like being a king or dictator so they poo poo the political realities that go along with the job...

Okay, let's take Guantanamo... What happened when Obama tried to push to shut it down???

Let's do some review... What happened was the Republicans in Congress blocked him by refusing to fund moving and keeping these people here in the continental US... There were states willing to take them but the Repubs used trickery to stop that...

Repubs 1
Obama 0

Then the Repubs blasted him for not shutting it down as he promised???

Like I have pointed out a thousand times here: Obama ain't a dictator... He's not a king... He understands his constitutional limitations and doesn't push the envelope... At his point in his 2nd term Bush had more signing statements and executive orders... Obama has been sensitive to his place in history and he deserves credit for that...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:54 PM

Guess again, GfinS...

You didn't do any better than the Krinkx...

Do you need a hint???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:57 PM

Obama is very similar to Sammy Davis Jr.
Both are hip, charming negroes that are / were acceptable to whites.
Sammy even supported Nixon in his 72 campaign.
And caught alot of heat for it.
Obama is a charlatan.
He sold all of his supporters out.
You might as well voted for Romney.
Same difference.
Gutting social programs.
Protecting the wealthy.
That's Prez al-Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 08:06 PM

Should Obama break laws to make me happy, That is your question.
Yes. Suicide is against the law.
He should give it his ( no pun intended....) best shot. It would make me happy as hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 08:11 PM

Great post for this "Obama Hate Thread", Krinkx...

Keep 'um coming... I heard that the Klan is lookin' for a new Grand Wizard...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 08:15 PM

He should do it for the children.


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:02 PM

It is plain to me.

Niggardly Bastard's consistant use of "Prez al-Obama" is a dead giveaway that Mr. Bastard is a bigot!

His whole problem is that Obama is the wrong color, and he's trying to imply that Obama is Muslim as well, which he is NOT.

Take it to the Klan meeting, NB. They'll probably buy it there.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:06 PM

Yup, Krinkx is a racist... He was a racist when he was Krinkx and he's still a racist...

That's been my beef with him going back...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:24 PM

With people like Krinx, Songwronger, and Goofballupagus, if Obama could heal the sick and raise the dead, they'd complain that he's taking work from the medical profession and adding to the world's overpopulation! If he could walk on water, they'd carp that he's poluting our pristine waters with his dirty feet.

Bitch, bitch bitch!!!

They grow boring and tiresome.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:31 PM

By the way, before these bozos start howling in glee at my occasionally inaccurate typing, there should be two l's in "polluting."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:34 PM

Yup, watch your typin' with the ObamaHateBrigade...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 10:21 PM

Hey! I just had a great idea!

I used to be an editor, blue pencil in hand, that sort of thing. Why don't I start pointing out the typos, misspellings, bad grammar, and general screw-ups that our resident Bozos pull?

I like it!

The only problem is that I wouldn't have time to do anything else!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 10:25 PM

You're gonna need a lot of blue pencils, Don...

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 10:39 PM

Problem, Bobert. I think that even the Klan would gag when this guy enters the room.

I wonder if he's aware that he's treading close to drawing the attention of the Secret Service?

Don Firth


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Subject: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:26 PM

From the World Socialist Website:

Obama's Budget

12 April 2013

The Obama administration's budget released on Wednesday is a historic milestone. The Democratic Party administration is taking direct aim at the two core federal social programs established in the United States in the 20th Century, Social Security and Medicare.

The consequences of Obama's proposals are not hard to predict: millions more people, particularly the elderly, will be thrown into poverty or be cut off from life-preserving medical care.

The corporate and financial elite that runs the United States has long complained of the "unreasonable" sums of money spent on preserving the health and well-being of the elderly. In the minds of the Wall Street speculators and corporate executives that control both political parties, broad sections of the population simply live too long.

While the administration and the corporate media have sought to downplay the significance of the attack, the cuts proposed are a significant step in dismantling the programs altogether. The $400 billion in Medicare cuts, when combined with the $500 billion already included as part of the administration's health care overhaul, add up to 13 percent of total spending on the program over the next decade.

As for Social Security, by modifying the way the government calculates inflation, the program will be cut by $130 billion. According to one analysis, for a worker retiring at the age of 65, this will amount to a loss of $650 a year in benefits by the time the worker reaches 75, and a loss of $1,130 by the time he reaches 85. About 70 percent of seniors depend on the already meager benefits for at least half of their income, with 40 percent depending on it to keep them above the poverty line.

The administration's proposal, with a raft of other cuts in key social programs, is only the starting point for negotiations with Congressional Republicans, a process that will drive the whole discussion even further to the right. The dog and pony show of American politics will enter a new phase, as the two big business parties, united on all essentials, conspire to gut and eliminate programs that have the overwhelming support of the American population.


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:42 PM

A tip for Firth (stuck in 1917) - Stay off the Hindenburg.

And no, Obama's no dictator. He just tells us he can kill any American citizen he wants because he's a kidder. The National Defense Authorization Act is just a big joke. He even joked to get it passed--said he would never sign the thing if it hit his desk, and then he SIGNED it! Now THAT was a belly laugh. The joke was on us. What a fun guy.

Obama's just misunderstood. He's like one of those comedians like Andrew Dice Clay or Emo Phillips. It's a kind of humor that grows on you.


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:54 PM

Take your meds, Songwronger.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 12:12 AM

Sounds like just what I'd have expected. Business as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 02:05 AM

....and had you have been reading....there's more bullshit in the budget, too...including, the math is all fucked up...and what is being touted as 'budgeting' anything, the numbers being released do not match up with the math of the bill!.....(so I hear)...my beef is the Monsanto rider.....but I won.t go into that...the link is on the other post.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 04:33 AM

The Secret Service.
Sounds nefarious.
Government spooks in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
KGB.Gestapo. Secret Service. CIA.
Living in fear like Hitler's Jews.
Never knowing when your door will be smashed in and you'll be taken away for years or possibly killed.
Amerika doesn't stand on higher moral ground anymore.
Obama is, the friendly, charming face of government corruption and oppression.
Changes I Can't Believe In.


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 04:45 AM

He lied. And now you make excuses for him.
Anyone that critisizes is a racist bigot.
And as his presidency unfolds we are proven correct.
And you behave like a slug after salt has been sprinkle on it.
You're turning inside out.
You crack me up.


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:12 AM

Typo.
Sprinkled.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:20 AM

I understand Unemployment Benefits will be cut as well.
Disarm the population.
Impoverish the population.
Shoot them like rats when they complain a little too loudly.
Change We Can Believe In.
Thank you, Mr. Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 07:22 AM

More proclamations, no facts from the Krinkx...

Hey, it's okay if you hate Obama... That's fine... Just man up...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: I don't hate President Obama.
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 07:27 AM

I found a website, bobette.
DemocraticUndergroundDotCom.
Go there, bobette.
See how other Democrats feel about The Prez. They appear to be about 9 to 1 against him.
I think it's a fascinating website.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 12:21 PM

They don't just hate al-Obama*. It is way larger than that. This author's argument seems to me to get it just right:

"The angry white guys who dominate the Republican Party in Congress represent all the angry white men in America who cannot accept what they've lost forever – namely the exclusive right to take all the best jobs, run everything, make all the decisions, and, oh yes, keep everybody who doesn't look, act, and talk the way they do out of the good old boys club."

http://www.nationofchange.org/angry-white-guys-roots-reactionary-america-1365861843

click

*And doesn't the persistent use of this undeniably racist epithet just perfectly confirm the quote above?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 02:29 PM

Henry Bastard, just to repair what appears to be yet another hole in that vast wasteland inside your skull, the Secret Service in this country is nothing like the KGB or the Gestapo, and they are not affiliated with the CIA. The Secret Service is an agency which is charged with protecting the President from potential assassins and others who would attempt to do him harm.

If you physically threaten the President in any way, or try to promote attempts to physically harm him, they will be on your case.

ALL presidents are under the protection of the Secret Service.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 02:53 PM

That's good to know, Mr. Firth. I know alot of people are mad at him.
I'd hate to see anyone get in trouble for harming him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 02:57 PM

But you would like it if somebody "offed" him, right?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 03:15 PM

It's not easy being Green.
          —Kermit the Frog

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:43 PM

Oh, back to the same ol' name calling.....it has been said that the loser of the argument is the one who throws out the first name calling...

This is what they do when they run out of notes on their talking points.
They haven't even answered the first questions put to them!

Don, come on, offer some meat in your posts....something other than baloney!..Next you'll be trying to sell us bottled 'organic' hot dog water! On the other (Lie) thread, it would seem to me that answering questions, that were air tight with facts, would work better than your tactic of name calling....or is that another one of your academic high points you learned from the kids at school??!!

Next you'll be saying the economy is great, and anything differently said is a Republican rumor....WHILE MISSING THE WHOLE POINT!!
But you don't mind...you get your monthly SSI check.......for now.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:58 PM

Goofballupagus, you're so busy inventing things that you want people on these threads to think I said that you're not actually reading what I AM saying.

Plenty of nutrition there, but you're like the woman who was eating in a fine restaurant in Paris, ordered escargot, not knowing what it was, then sent the plate back to the kitchen complaining that there were snails in her food.

I don't see anything in your posts beyond bleating and bluster.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 06:00 PM

...and all the while, the dopey dupes will be making excuses for him, and his 'butt-jett', and trying to sound like they know what their talking about. N.G.'s post is closer to the 'change' or the potential for it.
Why do we need NDAA??? that suspends the rights of the 4th amendment?? To 'take care' of those who are complained about then suspending the 2nd amendment, as well....Oh well, with Obama care, they can just 'shut off' the elderly who used to considered wise....until this new batch came up and have proved otherwise, and used themselves as perfect examples!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 06:08 PM

The read my posts in YOUR big lie thread!
You never:
          Answered them
          Commented on the substance
          Posted any verifiable facts to rebut anything I posted.

You just tried to start up your condescending 'snottery' as usual...and you're doing it everywhere you post...and then claim that everybody else is making Mudcat unfriendly!

What a bitter, old delusional, pile of crap on wheels!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: pdq
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM

Here is an actual publicity photo of...


                                                                                                      Don Firth


Bet the guy could charm the stinger off a scorpion, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 11:39 PM

Wrong, pdq.

There are several "Don Firth's" on the internet, most of them not related.

THIS is me.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 11:55 PM

And, Goofy, you don't state any clear questions to be answered. There is no substance to comment on, and you don't post any verifiable facts to rebut.

You claim you asked a question in a previous post and try to make it look like someone is dodging it. We scroll up and check your posts and you have not asked anything that resembles a clear question. You not only try to pull that stunt with me, you do it to Bobert as well, along with anybody else who posts something you don't agree with.

It's all a bluff on your part, and anyone with a brain can see it, as do quite a number of people on these threads.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 02:06 AM

"Saturday, April 13, 2013 / PROGRESSIVE JOURNALISM FOR POSITIVE ACTION"

That was 'cut and pasted' from the article posted by TIA.

So, is that a biased OPINION??..or news?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 02:46 AM

It's an opinion piece dumbass.
It says so right at the top.
Look immediately to the left (hold your hands up and your thumb and index finger will make the letter L) of the title: it says "OP-ED" in all capitals.
Do you really need instructions on how to read?
Keeerist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:31 AM

Yeah, TIA, that's why I rarely click on blue clickies... Most are propaganda... Just because they are on the internet doesn't make them true... I find it humorous that folks put them in their arguments as if they alone are "ah hah, gotcha" moments... They prove absolutely nothing...

BTW, one of them had me ask GfinS a direct question... You know... Less than 20 words that isn't surrounded with reams of mindless wandering...
Still awaiting GfinS's answer...

Nice site, Don... You have that James Taylor look to ya'... I'll listen to the songs later...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 12:04 PM

Bobert: "Less than 20 words that isn't surrounded with reams of mindless wandering..."

Whadya' do?..count the words, and couldn't answer the questions??

You're just ducking and weaving, avoiding a question that has you choking!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 01:51 PM

What question, Goofy!??

If you can't restate the question in straightforward, readable English, then we have to assume that there was no question, and you're just doing your thing again.

=======

And Bobert, I'm not totally happy with the songs that Bob (Deckman) put on the archive web site, but he didn't really have much choice. Many of them were taken from his collection of miles and miles of open-reel tapes, many of which were recorded at parties, song fests, and informal hootenannies ("informal hootenannies"—that's redundant!), where we often tried out songs for the first time that we had just learned, and often they hadn't quite "jelled" yet.

Some of the ones he has of me were also on open-reel tape, home recordings off the air of the "Ballads and Books" educational television series I did in 1959. The other voice on the records is Buzz Anderson, a broadcasting student at the U. of Washington, acting as "interviewer," and asking me questions we thought the viewers might have asked if they could.

Fun shows to do!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 03:41 PM

Firth: "And Bobert, I'm not totally happy with the songs that Bob (Deckman) put on the archive web site,..."

You're not happy with much of anything except your own opinions..then go into a 'tizzie-fit' when holes get blown open all through them.

Just a friendly observation.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 05:53 PM

Obama has made a serious error by putting FDR's Social Security and Johnson's Medicare "on the table". Of course the GOP has not done better by insisting on deeper cuts to public programs. The enactment of the NDAA is a serious breach of democracy.

The Second Amendment has lost it's historical meaning. No British soldiers quartered in America. A well-regulated militia doesn't call themselves the NRA.

The other big mistake will be to approve the Keystone XL Pipeline against the criticisms held by climate scientists over the world. There are a few nutty dissenters but they carry no weight and are mostly shills for corporations but that's another thread.

The Democratic and Republican Parties have both been corrupted by lobbying money and John Roberts (who should be impeached for claiming corporations are people in the Citizen's United ruling). That's also another thread.

The problem is that the system is broken. Money has corrupted it. Obama is not totally to blame here but it has to be shared by Congress, some members of the Senate, the Tea Party, The GOP and Dems.

There are no good actors in the halls of government these days which is controlled by corporate interests (a definition of fascism) and the dilution of the effectiveness of government agencies bought out by the revolving door.

We need a strong grass roots movement to push Obama into better decisions. That won't come by moaning and groaning, whining and pulling hair out over Obama. It's time to grow up and take action.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:35 PM

What, you're gonna believe what the socialists say?


;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:19 PM

Goofy, your opinion is as the empty wind blowing across the desert, carrying before it nothing but dust and sand, and the hollow sound of its own howling.

Whether the songs posted are the best work I can do is not at issue. The fact is, people paid to listen to me sing. In concerts, coffeehouses, and on television. Repeatedly. I made a good living that way for a substantial percentage of my life.

So I don't care what you think.

By the way, you have yet to "blow a hole" through any of my opinions.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:37 PM

Socialists? No.

Let me refer you to the following:

CLICKY.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: pdq
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:40 PM

Don Firth holds his opinions as holy to begin with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:42 PM

Verily.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 09:37 PM

Seein' as anything that the wrongman posts is 100% Obama hate this thread should be moved to the "Obama Hate" thread where it belongs... That is the purpose of that thread... You know, to keep the hate in one area so that it doesn't spread... Kinda like fighting cancer...

Yo, moderators... Please combine...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 09:54 PM

The President sends a budget PROPOSAL to the House. The House passes it and sends it to the Senate. The Senate passes it and sends it to the President for enactment.

If the Congress doesn't like the proposal or some part of it they can change it.

What's hard to understand about this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Stringsinger
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 01:38 PM

That's the plan, all right. Problem is that the House is dominated by crazies from the Tea Party and the GOP. The House will probably not pass it because the majority party is out to get Obama.

The biggest mistake is the cutting of Social Security and Welfare for political reasons.
This will follow Obama in his budget. The House majority will never accept tax hikes for the wealthiest of Americans. Obama has already compromised his budget to get the GOP to budge. Most Americans don't like this and consider Obama to have betrayed them.

I wonder why Americans vote representatives to create stalemates in governing bodies?


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Subject: BS: Obama Wants To Sell The TVA
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 03:54 AM

Crown jewel of The New Deal, Pręž ßăräçk Hűššęîń âl-Őbĺmă wants to sell off the TVA.
He's doing more to wipe out Roosevelt's legacy than any previous president in my memory.
Any Takers?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wants To Sell The TVA
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:22 AM

Damn. And I thought we were safe from privatization, now that Thatcher and Reagan are dead...
It figures, though - it was a Democrat (Clinton-Gore) who privatized me out of a government job.

-Joe-

Here's it is, from page 51 of Obama's 2014 Budget Proposal:
    Reform TVA. Since its creation in the 1930s during the Great Depression, the federally owned and operated Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) has been producing low-cost electricity and managing natural resources for a large portion of the Southeastern United States. TVA’s power service territory includes most of Tennessee and parts of Alabama, Georgia, kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Virginia, covering 80,000 square miles and serving more than nine million people. TVA is a self-financing Government corporation, funding operations through electricity sales and bond financing. In order to meet its future capacity needs, fulfill its environmental responsibilities, and modernize its aging generation system, TVA’s current capital investment plan includes more than $25 billion of expenditures over the next 10 years. However, TVA’s anticipated capital needs are likely to quickly exceed the agency’s $30 billion statutory cap on indebtedness. Reducing or eliminating the Federal Government’s role in programs such as TVA, which have achieved their original objectives and no longer require Federal participation, can help put the Nation on a sustainable fiscal path. Given TVA’s debt constraints and the impact to the Federal deficit of its increasing capital expenditures, the Administration intends to undertake a strategic review of options for addressing TVA’s financial situation, including the possible divestiture of TVA, in part or as a whole.

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/budget.pdf


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Subject: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:29 AM

In an unprecedented big government plan his plan is to issue breast pumps, to all lactating women collect the milk in predetermined holding facilities then redistribute the natural bounty to any citizen who has an NRA sticker on their car.

"I'm gonna milk those mothers for what they got and give those crybabies what they deserve." He was quoted as saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:35 AM

I will resist saying something unkind....but I can't help but think it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:56 AM

Thank you for your oh so useful input Mr. Offer. There is no thinking like free thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wants To Sell The TVA
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 06:08 AM

Why can't the cap be enforced? Why would privatization be any different than raising the supply price to meet the cap? To me, that is spineless on the part of politicians. It takes the control of the supply price away from the people and gives it to a for-profit enterprise. This is about a utility, not a duck call manufacturer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 06:17 AM

I know what he meant.

Near spit ma tea on the OP. Good one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wants To Sell The TVA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 06:28 AM

The cap is an arbitrary one placed by Congress for borrowing by the TVA. They a looking at a way to borrow the money to make the improvements without the orange American Speaker and the two Pauls, Ryan and Rand whining about the national debt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 06:48 AM

This just in. GOP filibustering Lactation law. Jon Boner, Orange American said, we are OK with the idea in principle, we just want to milk it for some tax breaks for the appropriate industries such as Big Pharma, the medical device industry and the new up and comer, Big Breast.

Already the (AGWB) Associated Guys With Boobs has filed a discrimination lawsuit.


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Subject: BS: Obama Moves Lacto-Socialist thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:04 AM

Jackbooted Kenyan Neo-Colonial thugs have tried to move this important news from the public eye.

Be vigilant! Important news must be spread!



Subject: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:29 AM

In an unprecedented big government plan his plan is to issue breast pumps, to all lactating women collect the milk in predetermined holding facilities then redistribute the natural bounty to any citizen who has an NRA sticker on their car.

"I'm gonna milk those mothers for what they got and give those crybabies what they deserve." He was quoted as saying.


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Subject: BS: Fascio-lacto-socialists bury truth!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:30 AM

Obama Moves Lacto-Socialist thread
From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:04 AM

Jackbooted Kenyan Neo-Colonial thugs have tried to move this important news from the public eye.

Be vigilant! Important news must be spread!



Subject: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:29 AM

In an unprecedented big government plan his plan is to issue breast pumps, to all lactating women collect the milk in predetermined holding facilities then redistribute the natural bounty to any citizen who has an NRA sticker on their car.

"I'm gonna milk those mothers for what they got and give those crybabies what they deserve." He was quoted as saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wants To Sell The TVA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:33 AM

Premature Birthday wishes to Max have no bearing White House assures!



Obama Moves Lacto-Socialist thread
From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:04 AM

Jackbooted Kenyan Neo-Colonial thugs have tried to move this important news from the public eye.

Be vigilant! Important news must be spread!



Subject: BS: Obama wants to Socialize Lactation
From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:29 AM

In an unprecedented big government plan his plan is to issue breast pumps, to all lactating women collect the milk in predetermined holding facilities then redistribute the natural bounty to any citizen who has an NRA sticker on their car.

"I'm gonna milk those mothers for what they got and give those crybabies what they deserve." He was quoted as saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wants To Sell The TVA
From: Q
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:14 PM

A president without the votes in Congress is in a hopeless situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wants To Sell The TVA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:15 PM

All he can do is campaign for the 2014 mid terms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 07:18 PM

I see that a thread addressing Obama's handling of the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) was closed. The TVA is the huge hydroelectric system which provides electricity to the southeastern U.S. It was initiated by Franklin Roosevelt and took years to complete. Now Obama wants to privatize it.

"Reform TVA. Since its creation in the 1930s during the Great Depression, the federally owned and operated Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) has been producing low-cost electricity and managing natural resources for a large portion of the Southeastern United States. TVA's power service territory includes most of Tennessee and parts of Alabama, Georgia, kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Virginia, covering 80,000 square miles and serving more than nine million people. TVA is a self-financing Government corporation, funding operations through electricity sales and bond financing. In order to meet its future capacity needs, fulfill its environmental responsibilities, and modernize its aging generation system, TVA's current capital investment plan includes more than $25 billion of expenditures over the next 10 years. However, TVA's anticipated capital needs are likely to quickly exceed the agency's $30 billion statutory cap on indebtedness. Reducing or eliminating the Federal Government's role in programs such as TVA, which have achieved their original objectives and no longer require Federal participation, can help put the Nation on a sustainable fiscal path. Given TVA's debt constraints and the impact to the Federal deficit of its increasing capital expenditures, the Administration intends to undertake a strategic review of options for addressing TVA's financial situation, including the possible divestiture of TVA, in part or as a whole."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/budget.pdf

So, Obama wants to privatize the TVA. And note how the TVA is not the only targeted program here. Obama says, "Reducing or eliminating the Federal Government's role in programs such as TVA, which have achieved their original objectives and no longer require Federal participation, can help put the Nation on a sustainable fiscal path."

This opens the door to privatize everything that was built with federal money. Stone cold fascism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 07:39 PM

Good gracious. You have a strange definition of fascism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 08:24 PM

Bill Clinton once said , there is a Government inside my Government and I don´t control it ...but it gets a lot of money of the budget ..
about 500 billion dollars .

I wonder why no one don´t do anything about this ..
and also who are in that other Government Bill was talking about ??

I wonder ...

but what a heck I am just a watcher from out side , looking inside

all the best Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:10 PM

It's called the Shadow Government. It's our intelligence services. Their budgets are not reviewed by our congress. John F. Kennedy promised to disband the shadow government, but then he was killed. His promise died with him. That was in the 60's. Representative Leo Ryan of California introduced a bill to review the budgets, but then he was killed. His bill died with him. That was in the 70's.

Our shadow government does not receive enough tax money to finance itself, so it resorts to the drug trade, arms trading, and so on. The Iran-Contra scandal was an example of the shadow government dealing drugs and arms.

All the average citizen can do is admit the truth and speak out about it, but unfortunately not many Americans are willing to do that. The lie is more comfortable. Also, many adults behave like children, denying that a problem even exists. The people who run our country try to control us with fear, and they are good at it.

The world admires Iceland, by the way. You people forced your leaders to act responsibly, and now you are benefitting from that. Or I hope you are. May Iceland thrive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Budget
From: kendall
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:47 AM

Anyone who thinks that the rich need tax breaks to create jobs should look at the record. In the 8 years of the village idiot's rein, few or no jobs were created.

Right now, corporate profits are at an all time high while unemployment is way too high.Banks are sitting on billions hoping the economy gets worse for the mid term elections so the republicans can regain power.They count on the sad fact that too many Americans have the attention span of a goldfish.


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Subject: BS: Bomber CONVICTED -Time for Running Man 2
From: Songwronger
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 12:25 AM

President Barack Obama posed several questions Friday night in addressing the nation after the bombing suspect was captured: "Why did young men who grew up and studied here as part of our communities and our country resort to such violence? How did they plan and carry out these attacks? And did they receive help?"

http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-boston-marathon-main-0421-20130421,0,7262921.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_m

Well, he was convicted by Obama. And he had his throat ripped out, so he can't say "patsy." Case closed. Or is it? Obama asked if they received help.

And then there's this:

The FBI was last night hunting a 12-strong terrorist "sleeper cell" linked to the Boston marathon bomb brothers.

Police believe Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were specially trained to carry out the devastating attack.

More than 1,000 FBI agents were last night working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston in the hours before Dzhokhar's dramatic capture after a bloody shootout on Friday.

A source close to the investigation said: "We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.

"They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844

A dozen terrorists waiting years to blow up a couple of pressure cooker bombs at a marathon? Yeah, that's believable. About as believable as this. I guess we'll now see the the dozen other terrorists hunted down in the sequel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bomber CONVICTED -Time for Running Man 2
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 12:45 AM

There he goes again, folks.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Bomber CONVICTED -Time for Running Man 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 12:54 AM

Songwonger, you have become entirely too predictable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bomber CONVICTED -Time for Running Man 2
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 04:42 AM

I only opened the thread to read responses to the OP that I didn't read.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bomber CONVICTED -Time for Running Man 2
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 05:56 AM

Shouldn't this thread be combined with the last one?


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Subject: BS: Pres Obama admits causing harsh winter
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 06:34 AM

The President said. "Uhhhh What can I say? I went out in the rose garden on February second and I saw my shadow. Sorry about the floods midwest."

Sean Hannity who broke this news on his program Wednesday night said "I always knew he was a neo-colonial, Kenyan born, socio-fascist, corporatist/progressive, Big Government entitlement shrinking ground hog."


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Subject: BS: Obama Steals Charlotte Mayor
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 11:01 PM

Its part of a plot to deprive North Carolina of decent municipal governance!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 12:07 AM

Well, Songwronger, it is being said of you that you are 'predictable'...I would ALMOST wonder, 'Why?'...it must be because you are historically accurate, and your post:From: Songwronger
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 10:10 PM...
is dead fucking on!!!!
You would think that the 'so-called liberals' would applaud you,...after all, the Democrats (as a party) were opposed to the Contras..even Biden wanted credit for the
Boland Amendment...funny how the stripes change color, when your 'party' is running low on integrity.....but really, who cares?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 01:49 AM

Talk about predictability...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: bobad
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:54 AM

Yep, our daily bowel movement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Operation Fast and Furious
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 May 13 - 09:06 PM

Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico

"Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum. "I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms. And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will."

"But at the same time, as I've said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States. It's the right thing to do," Obama added.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/03/obama_blames_us_for_gun_violence_in_mexico_pushes_for_gun_control.html

Obama runs guns into Mexico and then behaves like this. He has absolutely no dignity, and probably no conscience.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins
From: Songwronger
Date: 05 May 13 - 11:01 PM

The social crisis in America

4 May 2013

US stock markets surged Friday to new record highs as Wall Street traders seized on a tepid jobs report to engage in a fresh orgy of speculation.

The official line promoted by the Obama administration is that the United States is in the midst of an accelerating economic recovery...........

For millions of older workers, the prospect of economic security and a decent retirement is growing ever more distant as the elderly are forced to dip into their savings and take on ever greater debt just to survive. The debt of Americans aged 65 to 74 is rising faster than that of any other age group, according to Federal Reserve figures. For a typical household led by someone 65 or older, household debt grew by more than 50 percent between 2000 and 2011.

The already insufficient benefits provided by Social Security and Medicare, the federal retirement and health care programs, are being scaled back. Fewer and fewer retirees have a guaranteed pension. Among those that do, many have resorted to borrowing against their pensions and paying usurious interest rates to unscrupulous lenders.

Last week, the New York Times reported that companies that offer pension advances often charge interest rates, after factoring in fees, of between 27 and 106 percent. Older households spent 7.1 percent of their incomes to pay off debt in 2010, up from 4.5 percent three years earlier, according to figures from the Employee Benefit Research Institute.

Earlier this month, Wells Fargo reported that the number of older workers borrowing from their 401(k) retirement accounts—and paying penalties to do so—surged 28 percent at the end of 2012 compared to the same period in 2011.

Conditions are no better at the other end of the age spectrum. Almost 16 million children in the US, or 22 percent, live in families whose income is below the federal poverty line, according to the National Center for Children in Poverty. Last month, the United Nation's Children's Fund released a report showing that, among developed countries, the United States ranks 26 out of 29, behind Greece and just above Lithuania, Latvia and Romania, in terms of the percentage of children living in poverty............

Nor is poverty confined to the unemployed. According to a report issued last month by the US Census Bureau, the percentage of the population who are "working poor" rose dramatically, from 5.1 percent in 2006 to 7 percent in 2011. One quarter all those in poverty—about 10.4 million people—are working.

The bulk of new jobs are in low-paid service industries, and even manufacturing workers increasingly make as little as $10 an hour—a poverty wage for a family of four.

The effects of poverty are myriad. According to one recent study, 80 million adults in the US, about 43 percent of the total population, did not get medical care sometime in 2012 because they could not afford it. This is up a shocking 17 million since 2003.

Growing poverty and social distress are treated essentially as non-issues by the mass media. According to a recent study by the Pew Research center, the US media focused just one fifth of one percent of its news coverage on the topic of poverty. "In no year did poverty coverage even come close to accounting for as little as one percent of the news hole," Mark Jurkowitz, the project's associate director, told Harvard's Nieman Foundation.

In an earlier period, such indices of social distress would have been treated as a national disgrace. Today, far from proposing any measures to address the social crisis, the Republicans and Democrats, with the Obama administration in the lead, vie with each other over how best to slash Social Security, Medicare and other vital social programs.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/04/pers-m04.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Obama Recovery Begins
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 06 May 13 - 05:44 AM

It's about time Congress voted themselves a pay raise, don't you think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 May 13 - 11:35 AM

BENGHAZI!!....How can you 'hate' Obama??...We LOVE to be lied to...We LOVE it when our foreign diplomats call for help, and are ignored...and die at the hands of our enemies...then the Administrations minions lie to us, and the world at the U.N....it makes us feel good, and proud, and strong.....MSNBC won't even carry the story...because in reality, they are NOT a news source...but rather a public relations firm, for this Administration.
No wonder the left has been so ill-informed.
ABC, finally is covering it, and uncovered the edited 'talking points' memos. Next, SHOULD be the e-mails.
The 'so-called' liberals, will say that this is an attempt to smear the Bush's hack, and corrupt bankster darling, Hilary Clinton....it is ALL smoke in mirrors.
....and the guy who made the 'video that started it' (according to the lies), is still in jail....for, of all things, bank fraud!...ain't that a slick twist!!...while the banking moguls who have defrauded the nation are running free, and telling the Administration what they will allow them to do...to bring about a corporate/bankster/government tyranny.
Way to go!
Don't you just LOVE these guys???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 11 May 13 - 01:21 PM

Nice post in general, Wrongman...

Not sure how much more that Obama can do toward leveling the playing field between Wall Street and Main Street... The bankers have already figured how to defeat Dodd-Frank...

Income inequality in America is disgraceful... And what makes it even worse is that the stenking Republicans don't even believe it exists... When you bring it up they call you a socialist???

Huh???

Here in North Carolina, as in every state with a Republican governor and majority in the statehouse we are seeing the same cookie-cutter ALEC right wing tax proposals: Decrease income tax rates and make it up with even more regressive taxes on the people who are right at the breaking point now???

Again, this ain't on Obama... This is on a 3 decade long assault by Boss Hog on the working class... Obam can't change that... The only thing that can change that is for all of a sudden a lot of right wing power people suffer what we on the left suffered in the 60s... That will get them to know that there are consequences...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 May 13 - 07:19 PM

Bobert: "Again, this ain't on Obama... This is on a 3 decade long assault by Boss Hog on the working class..."

BTW, Bobert, HELLO!!..long time no see!


Now to the 'other part...

Benghazi???? was a 3 decade long assault by Boss Hog on the working class..."

Bobert: "Again, this ain't on Obama..."

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 11 May 13 - 08:17 PM

Actually, GfinS, if you spent a week as president you'd have some understanding of just how far out of touch any president is from the inner workings of the US government...

You seem to think that Obama has this crystal ball that tells him what the heck is really happening... That is delusional...

There are millions of folks working for the federal government or government contractors... You seem to expect Obama to know what each and every one of them is doing???

LIke I said, that is delusional...

B~


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 May 13 - 01:05 AM

Bobert, in case you didn't know, and you can check this out, the CIA & State Department brief the President every morning...the CIA, EVERY morning.
This one will only go as far as the 'news' media will push to expose it. Some media outlets more...some less...it just depends on which one has been getting the 'grease jobs'.

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 12 May 13 - 09:13 AM

Yes, GfinS, they do and guess what??? Lot's of stuff that happens doesn't get sorted out for weeks or even months... And some of the stuff is outright wrong... And some conjecture by an annalist... Benghazi is a prime example...

What you and your Republican buddies are doing here is playing "Monday morning quarterback"... I mean, everyone has 20/20 hindsight...

"Man, that quarterback shouldn't have thrown that interception..."

Duhhhhh???

Let's get real here...

Take the Beirut bombing under Reagan... Where was all this righteous indignation after it???

Iran/Contra??? Same...

Even 9 fucking 11... You didn't see all this pure politicization of tragedy by the Dems in either of those cases...

The Iraq War???

I mean, let's keep this in some perspective least you and your Republican buddies look like the whiner/washrag.crybabies that ya'll very much look and sound like...

Hippocrates, all of you


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From: pdq
Date: 12 May 13 - 09:24 AM

I'll see your Hippocrates and raise you a Plato.


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From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 13 - 10:05 AM

Ya mean Play-Doh, dontcha, PeeDee? Ages 6-10?


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 May 13 - 11:46 AM

pdq: "I'll see your Hippocrates and raise you a Plato."

Hmmm..that would be quite an Odyssey.

Bobert: "What you and your Republican buddies are doing here is ...."

First off, I don't separate, or choose my 'buddies' according to their political bents....in fact, people who overly identify themselves as one party or another, are the ones who limit themselves, as to how much they can be anybody's 'buddy'.....remember, (as I've said before), 'I'm not with the party, I'm with the band!'

As to your examples, Beirut, 911, Iraq War, and oh yes, Iran/Contra, (especially), I've brought that up NUMEROUS times on here as to the hypocrisy and corruption in our government..BTW, you forgot the Vietnam war, which was fraudulently foisted onto use, (Gulf of Tonkin folly), by the wondrous LBJ, and prolonged by both LBJ and Nixon, for the sake of the drug trade in the Golden triangle, and for the sale of embezzled arms, to the Shaw of Iran.....Yes, Bobert, dear Bobert, it has been Both parties, masquerading as caring patriotic 'leaders', while as crooked as a coon's dick. (that's raccoon, BTW)....and ALL those issues were politicized by one party or the other...anything from, 'Oh look what the 'other' party is doing' to 'Rah Rah..it's for 'national security', and 'protecting our interests'!......and of course, the SANE ones know that it's all been a big pile of crap!...and Bobert, dear Bobert, (with all due respects of being a musician and good guy)..it has been BOTH parties!....and the corrupt elements, both fueling the 'divisions', and profiteering from EVERY fucking concocted crisis.....and if they don't have an on-going crisis, they'll make one up. When there is a REAL one, they'll cover it up.....oh, and by the way...in your list of crisis that the Democrats 'didn't' politicize, you left out Watergate. Gosh, how you let that one slip through, must have been nothing short of an 'accident'(?).
When I think about it, off the top of my head, the last REAL crisis, that was handled as a real crisis, just might have been the Cuban missile crisis...most of all the rest of them have been a series of assholes jostling for position, to position themselves to get away with more crooked shit..while keeping the public dazed and confused with political partisan street theater!
...and yes, Obama the O-Blabbo is just another one of them....and it is so blatantly obvious, and always has been...from his first campaign to be elected, the first time......it's just been that, underneath, we ALL knew we wanted 'Hope and Change'...but this cat wasn't bringing it......
.....so I took matters into my own hands....I bought a three dollar lottery ticket with a five dollar bill, and got my hope and change, too.....but that didn't pan out either.
Oh well, back to the studio.......

Regards Bobert,

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 12 May 13 - 08:08 PM

So, seems there is no evidence that you, GfinS, have done the righteous indignation thing regarding Repubs other than your proclamations...

Normal...

B~


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 May 13 - 12:36 AM

Like what???...This is not strictly a Republican or Democrat issue...and frankly, the PEOPLE, left alone, are the ones keeping the whole thing afloat. It's the cancer in the body politic that has burdened the people down....When the Republicans push that, take out 'PEOPLE' and insert mogul CORPORATE PEOPLE. When I say it, I mean the everyday citizen....so IF it sounds like I'm talkin' UP the Republicans, I'm not. Without any Republican talking point misinterpretation, I may say the 'same type' thing, but I'm talking about all those people, workin' everyday, regardless of party affiliation, who make the whole thing work.
Let me give you a simple example VERY overlooked by the partisan bickering....something that just 'slipped by'...and not addressed....
Remember the housing bubble that was fraudulently inflated, so the banksters would make a quick buck, with the phony ponzi scheme they used, to do the leveraging they did?....the flip side, and 'payoff' to the politicians, (Read: special interests), was that property taxes were all assessed at the leveraged up, at the inflated values!!!...making even more difficult for your average workin' guy...it was ALL bullshit...but the workin' guy still went to work, busted his/(her), ass off trying to keep what was his, while the two predatory, corrupt assholes, worked hand in hand together, to fleece the shit out of him(us, the workin' guy)....then the government has to raise other taxes...just to payoff the bankster/corporations in the form of a 'bailout'....WHAT????!!!..BULLSHIT!!!..........but the workin' guy, watching prices inflate(the oil conglomerates had to get in on the action, with their bogus price fixing, which inflates everything transported), barely having enough money to make ends meet, just keeps pluggin' away...being beaten to exhaustion, and death by the marriage of government and the bankster/corporations, and the corruption they wallow in, to accomplish their power greedy agendas!
The political parties, and their 'differences', is their whip!!!
They are BOTH doing it, and at the top of the 'food chain', the top fat cats, are as identical as twins!...matter of fact, even co-operate with each other, to keep us feeding their avarice. They have NO intent on representing us, and haven't in a long time. They even TELL us what to think about the TWO choices they give us....without a second thought about a THIRD choice, which would be of course, beneficial to the people...instead of them!!

So, if you are thinking that I left out the Republicans, in all that.....I didn't...BTW, don't leave out the Democrats......and when you play music...play with a vengeance!!!!!!!
They can only have, what the human spirit will surrender!!!!
....and musicians have the unique position of re-enforcing the human spirit!!

Regards To Ya'...You mixed up wonderful musician!

GfS


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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 May 13 - 03:58 AM

Stop wasting your breath Bobert.

Gone fom Sanity has given up! His "They're all the same, so there's nothing to be done about it" attitude is the mantra of the defeated and couldn't care less.

He's part of the problem, with delusions of importance, and will happily emulate Nero and fiddle while America crumbles in an avalanche of suicidal Republican obstructionism.

But Hey! What matter, as long as he's a legend in his own imagination.

Don T.


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From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 May 13 - 05:43 AM

Truth prevails.
And time will tell the truth.


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 May 13 - 08:32 AM

Yer right, Don...

I don't take any of GfinS's ramblings seriously... They are not all that much different than those of Lydon LaRouche...

But there have been times when GfinS was close to reality... From '88 until 2006, yeah, both parties were pretty much the same... That's why I worked for Nader but in the words of Jethro Tull...

..."It was a new day yesterday, it's an old day now..."

I think there are a lot of folks out there who missed working for Nader and now want to relive that part of their life...

Ya' can't go back...

B~


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From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 13 - 08:46 AM

Gone fom Sanity has given up! His "They're all the same, so there's nothing to be done about it"

Just like Little Hawk - maybe the two of them should get together.


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 May 13 - 11:14 AM

Is it possible that any one of you three can point out just what in my post was incorrect?...because you've all said absolutely NOTHING!
Just more 'so-called liberal' blathering, with NO thought...other than, 'GfS hurt my widdle ego!'
If you got something to SAY, say it....the rest is just whining!

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 May 13 - 12:57 PM

It doesn't do any good to ppint out where you are wrong, GfinS... You completely ignore those posts and just grind out more of the same old stuff that we've heard a million times... But worse than that, rather than provide actual facts, you rely on proclamations... Proclaiming something to be true or false and providing a factual narrative are two different stories...

B~


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From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 13 May 13 - 01:49 PM

Obama has sold the Obamaphiles out.
And they are in complete denial.

Some kind of dissociative disorder.
Like a crime victim pretending it didn't really happen.

Wake up and smell the coffee folks.

It has happened.
You HAVE BEEN FOOLED AGAIN!


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From: Don Firth
Date: 13 May 13 - 02:13 PM

Broad assertions, but no specifics.

Denies any fact he doesn't like, and insults the person who posted it

Goofy is a waste of band-width.

Don Firth


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 May 13 - 02:49 PM

You want specifics???....get off of MSNBC and NBC....everyone else is carrying it!...But like i said before, MSNBC and NBC are not news sources, they are a public relations firm for the White House.
Try C-Span.
But then You, as a 'former news reader' should know that!....but then you never check the news to see if it is accurate, anyway!

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 May 13 - 03:37 PM

C-Span???

Uh huh...

Explains a lot... They are like FOX-Lite... This si starting to make more and more sense...

BTW, I'd give MSNBC the highest grades for factual reporting of any news outlet...

Yeah, some of their commentators get a little carried away, Chris Mathews being the worst, but at least he is a former Congressional aide so he does understand facts from rhetoric... He's just a very rude person who in spite of knowing a lot of stuff needs a good ass whuppin' and told to not interrupt people... It's rude...

But as for facts, MSNBC seems to be the only news source where you actually get facts that hold up to scrutiny... None of the others do... Okay, some get the facts correct most of the time but refuse to ever have a liberal on their shows... ABC, NBC, CBS, C-Span??? When was the last time that Bernie Sanders appeared on any of those stations??? Like, other than the talking filibuster he did a couple years ago where these so-called liberal news outlets reported that he had done this, never... Kucinich??? Never Sherrod Brown??? Never... Never and more never...

Face it, other that MSNBC, liberals are blackballed from BIG MEDIA...

B~


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From: Don Firth
Date: 13 May 13 - 04:18 PM

As a well-educated person and a former news man, I know enough about media news, and current events in general, to know whether someone is giving me the straight story or trying to hand me a load of crap.

Whether they're in the media or posting here on Mudcat--Goofy!

Don Firth


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 May 13 - 06:44 PM

Yup, garbage in, garbage out... #Explains a lot, Don...

Actually, when it boils down it's called "ignorance"... I don't much give a rat's ass why people are ignorant 'cause if they are it is because they only read s6tuff they agree with...

I read everything...

B~


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From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 13 - 06:52 PM

I don't much give a rat's ass why people are ignorant...

Well, there's the massive cuts to Federal and State aid to education over the past several decades, and the war being waged against teachers & teachers unions by the residual BuShites & the TeaPublicans, Bobert- ya think that's got anythiing to do with it?


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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 May 13 - 06:54 PM

""Broad assertions, but no specifics.

Denies any fact he doesn't like, and insults the person who posted it

Goofy is a waste of band-width.
""

Yep! All of that, plus an ever changing parade of personality clones, backing one another up and holding round robin converations with themselves and him.

One of the advantages of being a gutless anonymous GUEST!

Don T.


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 May 13 - 07:49 PM

A big "Duhhhhhhhhhh", Greg...

Yup, garbage in, garbage out...

You get what you pay for...

BTW, you'll love this... Here in North Carolina you can teach in a "charter school" without a college degree - or heck, a high school diploma, for that matter - and without a back ground check??? I mean, you could be a sex offender with a 9th grade education an be hired to teach school here...

Fact is stranger than fiction...

B~


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From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 13 - 09:29 PM

It ain't just in NC "charter schools", Bobert, its most everywhere.

Also, no qualifications needed to teach in religious[sic] schools, either, in most states.

We've raised up a generation of morons, and its only going to get worse.


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 May 13 - 11:44 PM

Sounds like the 'last Hurrah!" for the meat-head zealots!
Sorta like the Nixon freaks who just could understand why he resigned...thought it was unfair!

GfS


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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 May 13 - 04:10 AM

""Denies any fact he doesn't like, and insults the person who posted it""

YEP!

Don T.


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 May 13 - 04:39 PM

Oh Waaah..better call the Wah-mbulance.

The bad part about it is, we're not going to get anything honest out of BOTH sides!

...and for goodness sakes, if you fill your head, from MSNBC and NBC, you'll never understand anything....BUT, even Brokaw, started in on a few things about it......do you think that corporate media is turning against their sweetheart??..if so, why??
If they do, well.....it would be interesting to hear your(plural), excuses....while failing to reach the reason.
(There IS a difference!).

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 14 May 13 - 09:09 PM

And you fill your head with FOX!!!

B~


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 May 13 - 01:34 AM

Nawww....I take in a couple of theirs, CNN, but they've been on Jodi Arias overload...but even that was interesting...sorta....'friends', on-line news, different radio shows, computer.....but the main thing is to filter it, and keep your filters clean..then you can process more information accurately....(as I've said a few times on here), 'Speed is a bi-product of accuracy'.....So, this might surprise you..I'm not about ragging on Obama as a political statement one way or another....for one, I thought he was a phony from W-A-A-A-Y back....now if that is/was true, wouldn't it be logical that whatever is in his mind, might not be what those who support him now, think it is, either?
Maybe he's FAR more 'right' than the 'left' would have ever thought....but to me, that doesn't matter....right/left, it's all bullshit! Right now...shit, right now, I'd settle for just a tiny bit of credibility from either side.....I'd even go for being convinced that behind the curtains, that this bit of, political-scandal-intrigue soap opera, isn't a ruse in itself!....What's really unnerving, for some, is that....let's say the attacks on the Administration, go as far as turning the popular tide against Obama, and those who believe him, as they do...let's say, the damage to Hillary, mucks her up from running, OK?....and the Republicans win big in the next elections, perhaps because of the fallout..Senate, too....the the Republicans would be in control, with all Obama's intrusion into our lives at their disposal....well, how would you like that???.....coupled with Bush's intrusive, 'less than honest' agendas......shit,.....play music!!..ALL these guys are fucked!..BOTH FUCKING SIDES OF THE ILLUSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....and if you digest their ILLUSION, you get heartburn....called DELUSION!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's why, "I'm not with the party...I'm with the band"!!
Man, put all that angst into every nano second, of the tones from the instrument...Thank God for the gift.....and play your asses off!!!

I guess 'Hope and Change' takes on a whole new connotation, to some..

Regards,

GfS


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From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 May 13 - 08:50 AM

Christ almighty, he does believe he's a fucking genius doesn't he?

If he's that clever, how come he isn't running the US? It's the logical career for an American genius with his head that far up his own arse, even if he can't string two coherent sentences together.

After all, that never stopped George W Shrub.

Don T.


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From: Bobert
Date: 15 May 13 - 08:53 AM

It was a new day yesterday, it's an old day now...

B~


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 May 13 - 11:13 AM

Speaking of being an ass.....Don T, you play it out...what do you get???
Your posts, Bobert's too, say absolutely NOTHING!
Why don't YOU guys come up with an 'explanation' of what is going on. Try to blame the administration's lies and cover ups, on 'Tea Party racists', as you've done in the past.....or on some other inane talking point hogwash. Tell us how Obama is squeaky clean in all this, and nobody has the right to even be concerned or bothered...and if they are, it's only because they're 'racist bigots'....Truth to tell, a whole lot of people are sick and tired of being called things that they have nothing to do with!......It ain't washin' no more!!!
Put forth an argument, in behalf of the administration....convince somebody...anybody, that this is all OK...and Bush's fault, AGAIN!!..or blame it on somebody else. Go for it.
Was it Hilary's fault? FOX's fault? Rush Limbaugh's fault? Ayn Rand's fault?? The KKK's fault? My fault? Your fault? Who exactly is in charge, to blame it on?? It's always gotta be someones.....other than where it lays...it always has in the past!! ..to quote Bobert, "It was a new day yesterday, it's an old day now..."...(and it still says nothing!).

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 15 May 13 - 12:44 PM

How do you know what is in our threads, GfinS... You obviously don't read them for content, if at all...

B~


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From: Don Firth
Date: 15 May 13 - 03:30 PM

I've totally given up on Goofy. I said it all a few posts above. I have important things to do, and, frankly, I can't spare—waste—the time trying to discuss anything with him. He's that totally hopeless combination: a complete ignoramus who thinks he knows it all.

You present him with demonstrable FACTS that everyone clearly recognizes, backing it with links to authoritative sources, and he denies the facts, giving no viable reasons, while at the same time, smugly calling you names, and then accuses you of being brainwashed.

Obviously, he's not brainwashed. He doesn't have a brain to wash!

I simply can't waste my time arguing with someone who has less comprehension and makes even less sense than a yapping dog.

Don Firth

P. S. This thread has long since passed its "sell by" date.


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 May 13 - 08:14 PM

....but you just HAD to get that one in, huh?

Actually, you are just pissed at being proven either wrong or imbecilic repeatedly!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 May 13 - 09:01 PM

Like I said.

Goofball just proved it. He's got dozens of bullet holes in his feet and he doesn't even know it. Talk about ignorant!

Don Firth


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From: Bobert
Date: 15 May 13 - 09:12 PM

Here's the deal, Don...

GfinS doesn't read much of anyone else's posts... It doesn't matter how short...

I got proof but who cares???

B~


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From: Don Firth
Date: 15 May 13 - 10:09 PM

Rather than trying to argue anything with a rock-headed dimwit like Goofy, I fairly frequently write to my Seventh Congressional District Congressman Jim McDermott, and my two Senators, Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell—and to a variety of other political figures as well.

Fortunately, I'm pretty happy with my Congressman and two Senators. They KNOW what the hell is going on and they're doing their darnedest. I'm just letting them know that I'm backing them.

Other political figures, selectively. My voice may not mean a helluva lot in the grand scheme of things, but they know I'm in there pitching, and that I'm not the ONLY one who's doing this. That DOES mean a lot!

I'll bet a cookie that without looking it up, Goofball doesn't even know what legislative district he's in. Or who his Congressional Representative is. And probably not even his Senators.

Idiot!

Now he'll probably come on and name them—after Googling like crazy.

Don Firth


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 May 13 - 01:18 AM

Suspected, accused and convicted.....without witnesses or a trial...that's the system that Old Donny likes..that's why you suck!

GfS


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From: Bobert
Date: 16 May 13 - 08:15 AM

LOL...

B;~)


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From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 13 - 01:23 PM

And just who IS your legislative district's Congressional Representative, Goofy? And who ARE you; state's Senators?

You don't know, do you?

Well--DO YOU?

I didn't think so!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 16 May 13 - 07:36 PM

Well, Don... At the very least, GfinS will Google them 'um...

But you are right... GfinS has one song and one song only and getting his hands dirty with the slightest involvement is like yucky...

Meanwhile, the scandal mongers don't get it but their scandals are looking less and less like much of anything...

B~


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 May 13 - 10:18 PM

Dumb question!....and there is a recall petition to get rid of him...now you look it up!

GfS


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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 May 13 - 10:20 PM

Do you two actually think that anybody here actually has a 'representative'???..Fuck no! They represent their bribing 'constituents', otherwise called 'special interests'!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 13 - 11:58 PM

I didn't think you'd know. That kind of sheer ignorance explains a lot.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 17 May 13 - 08:37 AM

John Lennon was 100% correct when he described these "classless and free" people as "all fucking peasants as far as I can see"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: pdq
Date: 17 May 13 - 11:15 AM

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche


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From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 13 - 11:43 AM

Whose "truth", PeeDee? Yours?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 May 13 - 11:50 AM

Nietzsche was quite correct. But there seems to be a little disagreement as to what IS the truth.

Nietzsche advocated thinking with your "blood and bowels." Far be it from me to disagree with Nietzsche, but I really think one does quite a bit better by using one's eyes, ears, and brain.

Pdq, your mileage may vary.

Don Firth


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Subject: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:26 PM

Pelosi: GOP 'Makes So Much' of Scandals Because Obama Is 'Such a Great President'

May 16, 2013

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that Republicans are using scandals coming out of the White House to undermine President Barack Obama out of "fear," because he is "such a great president."

"They make so much of these issues, because this president is such a great president," Pelosi said during a press conference on Capitol Hill, ending a week filled with new revelations about scandals involving the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) targeting conservative groups, and the Justice Department seizing phone records of reporters at the Associated Press.

"He's a visionary—you've heard me say this so many times," Pelosi said of Obama. "This is a great president. He's a visionary. He has a knowledge of our country, concerns of the American people that give him judgment as to what plan we should have to go forward to strengthen the middle class.

"And he has an eloquence to convey that message," she said. "They fear that, and so any issue that comes up, they will try to exploit."

Pelosi acknowledged that while some of the scandals are "legitimate issues," they should not be the primary focus of Congress.

"And some of them are legitimate issues, but they should not dominate everything," she said. "And so what I think is that they have used talking points on Benghazi. They will use the IRS. They will use the AP. They will use these as, again, subterfuges, evasions of what the American people want us to do here."

Republicans are also investigating the controversies to distract away from jobs, Pelosi said.

"They want us to create jobs," she said. "Now if you're a party in Congress, and you have no intention of creating jobs, you want to change the subject.

"So I think this is as much about enforcing their anti-government ideology, of not a public role in the creation of jobs, as well as undermining the president of the United States," Pelosi said.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-gop-makes-so-much-scandals-because-obama-such-great-president


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:43 PM

Songwronger, you are being too hard on him.....He IS honest,, you know...
Any Sane person can see that!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:44 PM

Pelosi has it right.. but she left out noting that the Repubs are busy condemning everything Obama does because they can't seem to find a candidate in their party who is competent and charismatic. They are so busy with petty projects they don't bother to study, learn & field a candidate LIKE Obama who did bother.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 13 - 10:55 PM

Bill D: "Pelosi has it right.. but she left out ........"

this part....amoung others....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 May 13 - 11:16 PM

But people are comparing Obama to Nixon. That's just MEAN. Nixon was a criminal, right? And Obama didn't do any of those bad things. The Republicans are making it all up. Right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 13 - 11:31 PM

The media have already come forward that the the republicans in the house lied about what was in the Benghazi email train. So that is essentially a made up scandal. As for the IRS, when you stake your claim as being anti-tax and anti-IRS (until your guy gets in the White House and they're OK), you should expect the IRS to scrutinize you. I mean if you drive around with pro-marijuana stickers all over your car, you're going to get stopped by the cops a lot. May not be fair if you haven't violated any traffic rules but you should also KNOW you are making yourself a target.

Is Obama honest? Fuck no, he isn't honest. He's the president. Name one that was honest. That's like complaining Saddam Hussein was a dictator. Of course, he was, how else do you think he maintained his power?

The media love it, though, and play up on it like it's this huge scandal when really most people don't care. The public is largely apathetic unless it has something do with job creation, which, of course, it doesn't. We're talking the republicans, after all.

From a Yahoo article:

"According to two polls — the Gallup daily tracking poll, and a CNN/ORC International poll released Sunday — Obama's approval rating has more or less remained steady as potential scandal upon potential scandal blew up the news cycle."

Bottom line: the public don't give a fuck. Start creating jobs or shut up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 13 - 02:11 AM

Guest: "Is Obama honest? Fuck no, he isn't honest. He's the president. Name one that was honest."

My exact sentiment....some just lie so much, that they fool those supporting him.

BTW, sign in with more than just 'Guest'....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 May 13 - 07:56 AM

More useless horseshit from the usual suspects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 May 13 - 11:11 AM

Songwronger, the capitalist system is broken. Dylan had a sage comment in one of his songs. "They're only pawns in the game". You can expect the same patterns no matter who is in office until we fix the system. Regulations won't work because they will be evaded or changed by corporate power.

You can blame whomever you want but it doesn't do any good.

We need to bring democracy back to the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 13 - 11:37 AM

Stringsinger, THAT is one of your most 'right on' posts ever!

Broken! Both parties! Corruption!...and Dylan had it exactly correct.
We have the best broken system money can buy!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 20 May 13 - 12:25 PM

You see what you expect to see. If you simplify it all to sweeping generalizations about "Broken! Both parties! Corruption!" that's how you will define ANY action or policy. If we want the situation to improve, we have to LOOK for and support candidates who are trying to make positive changes in the system.
I get so frustrated at people who "don't vote, because it's all rigged anyway.." and assume that if 'it' isn't going to suit them, 'it' is hopelessly bogged in money and special interests! Why not spend some time trying to actually FIND the decent folks who want a better system and **support their candidacy**? I know of many in my area ... and nationally...who are struggling within the system to better the system.
I guess it must feel better to smugly proclaim your erudite understanding of everything that isn't to your liking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 13 - 12:40 PM

Let's be merciful and let this thread have the quick death it deserves.   That's all I'll ever say on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 May 13 - 01:09 PM

Bill D. has the right of it.

But all the yahoos on this thread, like Songwronger and Guest from Dipshitery want to do--or seem to have the brains to do--is bitch about the system and do nothing.

And Ron is also right. I'm not going to waste my time trying to talk sense to these trolls. I'll be acting in the real world.

I'm outta here!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 13 - 07:53 PM

None who post--regardless what you say--are helping a fucking thing. This is the last post of mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 May 13 - 08:14 PM

I can't believe what this monster Kuhner wrote:

Beyond the IRS, AP and Benghazi lies a deeper scandal: Obamagate. Ultimately, Mr. Obama is the root cause of the White House's woes. The problem is not the president's men (and women). It is the president himself. He has no respect for the Constitution or for legal constraints on his power. He has presided over a scandal-ridden administration — Fast and Furious, Solyndra, the open bribery and abuse of parliamentary procedures to pass Obamacare, suing states seeking to uphold our immigration laws, enabling the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens simply if they're accused of being "terrorists," and now the use of government power to suppress dissent, persecute opponents, spy on the press and cover up the jihadist slaughter of Americans. Mr. Obama is a political thug masquerading as a progressive reformer. He is worse than Nixon: No one died as a result of Watergate.

Republicans should insist that several special prosecutors be appointed to investigate the administration's purported crimes. In the end, Nixon was unable to run from the truth. Mr. Obama is now running as fast as he can. It is our responsibility to catch and expose him.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/17/lawless-in-office/

Can you believe we tolerate speech like that in America? Amazing. Obama needs to get these people under control FAST.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 21 May 13 - 04:39 AM

If he has nothing to hide he has nothing to fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 12:58 PM

That's a REAL BIG "IF", NB!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:03 PM

Thank you Moe, Larry and Curly. Nice to see you back together again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:14 PM

More of the same....you guys just have run out of common sense...or maybe you just never had any, and this administration has counted on that!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 21 May 13 - 06:57 PM

Okay, so what do the Republicans think they have with "Obamagate"? 1-the Benghazi scandal, 2-the I.R.S. scandal, 3-the Associated Press scandal.

In the Associated Press Scandal, they say that the Obama people spied on reporters in 2012. Tapped their phones and all that. Well boo hoo hoo. There's no freedom of speech when we're at war, reporters, so get over it.

In the I.R.S. Scandal, the Intenal Revenue Service harassed political groups that opposed Obama. Groups with "patriot" and things like that in their names. Well boo hoo hoo, you patriots. You can't oppose Obama. You were stupid to ever try. And now the Republicans are acting like it's a big deal that one of the I.R.S. people is going to invoke the Fifth Amendment rather than testify. So get over it, Republicans. Obama's government can harass you all it wants and then not have to say dick about it. That's the way democracy works now.

And Benghazi. What is the major malfunction with Republicans on this? Obama had to get his sleep the night our ambassador was killed. And now people are acting all excited because some new whistleblowers are going to come out with something. I thought Obama settled all that whistleblower nonsense. It's against his law. 'Nuff said.

Tempest in a teapot. But the Republicans are saying that half of America wants Obama impeached. Ain't gonna happen, Republicans. You just hate Obama because he won the election. Get over it. Ha ha ha.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 21 May 13 - 08:34 PM

Does anyone else hear the sound of a braying jackass? Or two?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 10:29 PM

gillymor: "Does anyone else hear the sound of a braying jackass? Or two?"

Two??...No, just you and Greg....maybe there's a third one, but....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 21 May 13 - 11:29 PM

They're going to slam Hillary Clinton, the bastards. They're saying the new information about Benghazi will describe how she sold missiles to al Qeada to overthrow Kadaffi. Our ambassador was then killed as Clinton attempted to get the missiles back. Or so the bullshit "eyewitnesses" will claim. I bet they're Republicans. The bastards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 May 13 - 01:14 AM

Songwronger: "I bet they're Republicans. The bastards."

Really???..You think that the eyewitnesses were Republicans??
I'd think they were Democrats, if they were appointed by this administration.

Now this:

Lois Lerner, the IRS official who first disclosed the agency's improper targeting of conservative groups two weeks ago, will invoke her right not to testify Wednesday for fear of self-incrimination, her lawyer has told the House Oversight Committee.

Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg

"The committee has been contacted by Ms. Lerner's lawyer who stated that his client intended to invoke her Fifth Amendment right and refuse to answer questions," said oversight spokesman Ali Ahmad.

Ahmad said Lerner, the head of the IRS's tax-exempt organizations division, would still be required to appear before the committee, which means she will have to plead the Fifth in person and on camera.

"Ms. Lerner remains under subpoena from Chairman Issa to appear at tomorrow's hearing — the committee has a Constitutional obligation to conduct oversight," Ahmad said. "Chairman Issa remains hopeful that she will ultimately decide to testify tomorrow about her knowledge of outrageous IRS targeting of Americans for their political beliefs."

The TRULY amazing thing is that there still is an amendment, that hasn't been gutted....I guess the administration had to leave this one alone...it's a 'right' that THEY didn't want to abolish yet....and for 'good' reason.

The rest of the amendments, aww, the hell with them...they're a nuisance....those 'commoners', who think the Constitution is still valid, should be rounded up!...but leave the Fifth amendment alone for now...the administration isn't 'done' yet!...then they'll get rid of it, as well.

...and now for your entertainment...written for a similar situation.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:32 AM

Boy, you two do sarcasm even worse than you do sincerity. Who woulda thunk it?
If you want to be taken seriously sit up straight, wipe the foam from your mouth and clearly state your argument without vitriol. Otherwise, you'll never convince anyone of anything. But, maybe that's not why you're here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 22 May 13 - 07:05 PM

No, GfS, you don't understand, but then you probably haven't been receiving educative PMs from one of the moderators like I have. She's opened my eyes. Her intelligence is off the charts. It's stupefying, you know? So between her and Pelosi (see original post), I now know that Obama does no wrong. The eyewitnesses are lying. They must be. And why would they lie? First reason because they're Republican, second because they're racist. This Obamagate is a racist witch hunt carried out by lying Republicans. It couldn't be anything else. It makes perfect, logical sense. I've been told so.

And look at some of the headlines running right now:

ISSA TO HAUL LERNER BACK BEFORE COMMITTEE...

'Waived her fifth amendment rights' by giving opening statement...

IRS internal investigation ended 6 months before '12 election, was hidden from Congress...

Dem warns of special prosecutor...

SPECIAL PROSECUTOR 'INEVITABLE'...

REPORT: DOJ Seized Records of Five FOXNEWS Phone Numbers...

... INCLUDING PARENTS OF TARGETED REPORTER

REPORT: US ATTY INVESTIGATING FOX DONATED TO OBAMA...

Judge Apologizes For Lack of Transparency...

CBSNEWS reporter: My computers hacked, too...

'Began in Feb. 2011 during reporting on 'Fast and Furious''...

CBSNEWS President and WH Official Tied to Benghazi Scandal -- Are Brothers...


I don't know how Obama puts up with this impairment of his Vision. He has his precedent to deal with Americans who are interferring with his Mission, so what's he waiting for?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 May 13 - 09:40 PM

Gosh..I guess I was fooled...for a minute I thought that this was reminiscent of the McCarthy hearings...and both sides were trying to out do the other!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 May 13 - 04:38 PM

By the way.....Is there anyone in here, who can give an explanation, on other possible reasons, as to why the events are unfolding as they are, with such a trail of lies and cover-ups?? Can anyone justify their own perceived position as to WHY this should not be investigated further??? ....without the childish attempts at trying to smear those who have brought you the posts, that are taken right from the 'news' media???

Give it a shot....if there is another part of the TRUTH that people need to know...what is it??
Fair enough??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 23 May 13 - 09:00 PM

"Fair enough???"

No... not fair enough, because you and Songwronger have, embedded in your posts, the premise that there IS "...a trail of lies and cover-ups..." that forever NEEDS further investigation. It is very much a "have you stopped beating your wife, yet, and if not, when will you?"

I can type endless explanations of 'why' most of these things are over-blown, hyped by the press who thinks hypothetical questions about a good scandal is more fun... and easier... than serious research.

Did you GfS, or SW, happen to watch Lawrence O'Donnell's expose of the IRS 'targeting of the Tea Party'? HE went and read the original law, and now faces are red and squirming is rampant because 501-c4 groups have been getting tax relief in illegal ways since 1959!! THAT is the scandal... not a few awkward attempts by amateur IRS flunkies in Cincinnati to take some silly shortcuts. But that isn't nearly so scandalous, hmmm? It sells more papers to take quotes out of context and use buzzwords in headlines.

Then, the ultimate response to those like me is to reply with MORE demands to 'defend' and 'explain' MORE innuendoes and ambiguous assertions about those scandals which may actually not BE very scandalous.

I'll quit beating my wife when you start asking her if she has ever BEEN beaten!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 23 May 13 - 09:02 PM

No, I will not satisfy your desire to lead me into 47 more useless tries.... I have a craft show in a week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 May 13 - 10:09 PM

Yes, we should thank Obama for using thug tax collectors to harass people he doesn't agree with. Bad patriot groups MUST be targeted. Makes perfect sense to me.

And bad reporters MUST be spied upon so they can't report lies about Obama. The first amendment protection of freedom of the press doesn't apply now. We're at war. With someone or other. I'll trust Obama to tell me when we can have our free speech back.

The five congressional committees looking into Obama's administration need to stop messing around. We can't have him distracted from his Vision right now. Look at the disgusting headlines the Republicans are currently running:

HOLDER OK'D SEIZURE OF FOX REPORTER EMAILS

Holder to Investigate -- Holder...

VIDEO: Schumer, Franken scurry from questions about IRS scandal...

NOONAN: IRS ON THE BRINK...

Pelosi Blames 'Bush Appointee'...

ISSA Seeks Interviews Of 13 Officials Involved In Benghazi...

Issa's panel inching closer to asking for Hillary Clinton's testimony on Benghazi


Disgusting. And how dare they suggest Hillary Clinton has anything to answer for. She is beyond reproach. This is turning into a circus. Completely unacceptable. Obama needs to shut down the government and give those clowns a month or two to think about things. I don't see how our democracy can survive if he doesn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 May 13 - 10:18 PM

...But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the story of Catherine Engelbrecht—a nice woman, a citizen, an American. She and her husband live in Richmond, Texas. They have a small manufacturing business. In the past few years she became interested in public policy and founded two groups, King Street Patriots, and True the Vote.

In July 2010 she sent applications to the IRS for tax-exempt status. What followed was not the harassment, intrusiveness and delay we're now used to hearing of. The US government came down on her with full force.

In December 2010 the FBI came to ask about a person who'd attended a King Street Patriots function. In January 2011 the FBI had more questions. The same month the IRS audited her business tax returns. In May 2011 the FBI called again for a general inquiry about King Street Patriots. In June 2011 Engelbrecht's personal tax returns were audited and the FBI called again. In October 2011 a round of questions on True the Vote. In November 2011 another call from the FBI. The next month, more questions from the FBI. In February 2012 a third round of IRS questions on True the Vote. In February 2012 a first round of questions on King Street Patriots. The same month the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms did an unscheduled audit of her business. (It had a license to make firearms but didn't make them.) In July 2012 the Occupational Safety and Health Administration did an unscheduled audit. In November 2012 more IRS questions on True the Vote. In March 2013, more questions. In April 2013 a second ATF audit.

All this because she requested tax-exempt status for a local conservative group and for one that registers voters and tries to get dead people off the rolls. Her attorney, Cleta Mitchell, who provided the timeline above, told me: "These people, they are just regular Americans. They try to get dead people off the voter rolls, you would think that they are serial killers."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

Can you believe the GALL of these people, trying to purge the names of dead people from voting rolls? Lunatics like that HAVE to be harassed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 May 13 - 11:12 PM

Well, at least 'Bill D' did come up with something..and that I give him credit for. Here is a very interesting link, that gets into the 'Non-profits'...This covers both parties..and you may fins it informative:
Non-profits & the IRS.....from another perspective.
...as I've REPEATEDLY posted, the corruption is on BOTH sides!

When will we ever get a government who is on the side of representing what we people want...instead of being given a couple of lame choices, that we are TOLD, we must want???!!!???....and then have to pay for it??...

I remember someone telling me once, "A bagain is something you get a discount on, that you didn't want in the first place".
'Politics' makes it happen!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: pdq
Date: 24 May 13 - 11:41 AM

GfS...

Sorry to tell you this, but ProPublica is another Left-leaning activist organization. Their biggest financial supporter is George Soros.

They are right in to middle of the Obama IRS scandal:


"In May 2013, the IRS was heavily criticized for admitting to targeting conservative tax exempt groups for added scrutiny. In December 2012 and January 2013, ProPublica published and reported on confidential pending applications for groups requesting tax exempt status. After the scandal broke, ProPublica clarified how it obtained the documents, writing, 'In response to a request for the applications for 67 different nonprofits last November, the Cincinnati office of the IRS sent ProPublica applications or documentation for 31 groups. Nine of those applications had not yet been approved—meaning they were not supposed to be made public.'"


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 May 13 - 09:44 PM

Oh Goodie!...Even Soros and crew seem to know more than the president about how it works!
God help us!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 May 13 - 08:04 AM

Well, PeeDee, REALITY is "left-leaning", by your definition of the political spectrum.

Then, there's the Koch Brothers propaganda machine........


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 May 13 - 04:46 PM

Good, now we have Soros and the Kochs...and both are funding to subvert our governmental system, and steer it towards their agendas....and they are both dickheads for doing so......unless you like one's form of corruption over the other, in which case that makes you, or anybody, a self ascribed dickhead, right along with them!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 May 13 - 06:03 PM

The Koch boys, plus Bob Perry, Harold Simmons, Sheldon Adelson, John Ricketts and William S. Rose outspend Soros 1,000 to 1, DickheadInSanity.

There's that "liberal" reality again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 May 13 - 07:38 PM

So, Seven wrongs make it 'right'??

BTW, Those mean Republicans MADE AG Holder sign the warrants, and perjure himself, didn't they??
It's on the 'news'.

Well, as I've been saying ALL ALONG, there is just too much corruption in Washington...both sides...except YOUR side doesn't count, 'right'??


Here, check it out yourself....

Don't you just LOVE that transparency???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 28 May 13 - 06:11 PM

Those Republicans won't let Obama alone. He had tornado business to take care of, plus a four day weekend and they STILL harass him. Look at the headlines:

Washington launches four different investigations into IRS mess...

Issa subpoenas State Dept. documents on Benghazi...

REPORT: HOLDER WENT JUDGE SHOPPING TO OBTAIN FOXNEWS SUBPOENA...

House Judiciary investigating whether Attorney General lied under oath...

REPORT: Holder 'beginning to feel creeping sense of personal remorse'...


And then there's this lunatic woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkSkQgnEV-Q&feature=share

This nutcase thinks there should be LIMITS to Obama's power. She should be wearing a tin foil hat in this video.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 13 - 09:52 AM

They're hiding their faces...but then, the Republicans would be, too!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 13 - 02:09 PM

It happens in China routinely. It frequently happened in the old Soviet Union. Undoubtedly in North Korea, although generally there's no one around to witness it. But in the United States? It happens here, too, apparently.

A lawsuit has been filed by officials with the Rutherford Institute on behalf of a Marine who was jailed and held for the comments he made on Facebook – comments that expressed a dissatisfaction with the present direction of the U.S. government.

According to officials at Rutherford, the civil rights action names as defendants members of law enforcement and the government who were involved in last year's episode where Marine veteran Brandon Raub, 27, was arrested by a swarm of FBI and Secret Service and forcibly detained in a psychiatric ward for a week.

His crime was posting controversial song lyrics and political views on Facebook, the institute reported.

In one of his postings, he cited the evil in the world.

"The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them," he wrote.

He was released later when a judge stepped in and concluded the prosecution's case against Raub was "so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy."

The lawsuit asks for damages for Raub for the attack he endured. It was filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Va., and claims Raub's seizure and detention were part of a plan executed by the Obama administration called "Operation Vigilant Eagle."

That, the institute explains, was a federal program to do surveillance on military veterans who express views critical of the government.

Institute attorneys claim the attempt to label Raub as "mentally ill" and authorities' efforts to involuntarily commit him into custody was intended to silence his criticism of the government. However, they explain the strategy also violated Raub's First and Fourth Amendment rights.

"Since coming to Raub's defense, The Rutherford Institute has been contacted by military veterans across the country recounting similar incidents. In filing a civil suit against government officials, Rutherford Institute attorneys plan to take issue with the manner in which Virginia's civil commitment statutes are being used to silence individuals engaged in lawfully exercising their free speech rights," the organization said.

"Brandon Raub's case exposed the seedy underbelly of a governmental system that is targeting military veterans for expressing their discontent over America's rapid transition to a police state," said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute.

"Brandon Raub is not the first veteran to be targeted for speaking out against the government. Hopefully, by holding officials accountable, we can ensure that Brandon is the last to suffer in this way."

It was last Aug, 16 when Chesterfield police, Secret Service and FBI agents arrived at Raub's home and asked to talk with him about his Facebook posts.

"Like many Facebook users, Raub, a Marine who has served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, uses his Facebook page to post song lyrics and air his political opinions. Without providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law enforcement officials handcuffed Raub and transported him to police headquarters, then to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will," the Institute reported.

"In a hearing on Aug. 20, government officials pointed to Raub's Facebook posts as the reason for his incarceration. While Raub stated that the Facebook posts were being read out of context, a Special Justice ordered Raub be held up to 30 more days for psychological evaluation and treatment."

When Circuit Court Judge Allan Sharrett, however, found out about the case, he ordered it dismissed and Raub released, because there was no evidence of a case.

In asking the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia to acknowledge the harm done to Raub and to rectify the violation of his First, Fourth, Fifth and 14th Amendment rights, Institute attorneys are requesting that Raub be awarded damages.

The 14-page complaint describes Raub's "baseless incarceration" and said it violated his free speech, due process and other rights.

The complaint claims the arrest was a "pretext" that was orchestrated to "silence Raub's speech critical of the government by subjecting him to involuntary commitment."


My, How 'liberal' can you get????

GfS

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/jailed-for-facebook-comments-marine-sues/#VEII13Ii17TkQ4hf.99


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 13 - 05:09 PM

Well, there it is, sports fans. I KNEW Goofball got his so-called information from web sites and e-mail newsletters like World News Daily.

Fox News looks like a bunch of Left-Wingers compared to that "let's get Obama impeached" bunch of bigots. They much prefer a real American, like Paul Ryan or Rick Perry.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 May 13 - 06:11 PM

Well, we know it's all about racism, Mr. Firth. That's obvious. The people who point out that Obama wants to cut Social Security and Medicare with his 2014 budget are really saying "He's black." That's a no brainer.

And now the damned Republicans are making a big deal out of Operation Fast and Furious again. USA Today says Attorney General Holder should resign because of it:

http://12160.info/page/obama-s-fast-and-furious-gun-running-scandal-grows

It looks like Holder is going to be sacrificed, like Attorney General John Mitchell was during Watergate. But in Holder's case it will be because he's black. That's a no brainer.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/05/28/fire-eric-holder-column/2367713/

Obama has asked the Pentagon to draw up a plan to create a no-fly zone over Syria, so I think we're safe for now. Obama will be "too busy" ;-) with a new war pretty soon, and people who question him will be unamerican. Like that U.S. Marine GfS posted about. What an unamerican piece of trash. How dare he question Obama's government. It looks like Obama will be busting some drones on unamerican racist trash here in the homeland pretty soon. It's a good thing he's at the controls instead of that crazy man George Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 13 - 06:27 PM

So you liked Bush, then?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 May 13 - 07:02 PM

It looks like my guardian moderator is censoring my posts. Kissy kissy, may little Magpie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 May 13 - 08:17 PM

"Censoring", ShitWringer? You're lucky you aren't barred entirely. Think Martin Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 May 13 - 11:26 PM

Songwronger: "USA Today says Attorney General Holder should resign because of it:"

Damn Republicans might even go as far as filing criminal charges, for perjury....now that's going to far!....Only Congress should be able to lie...that's unfair!!!

...and Don...Really???.....attacking 'World News Daily'???....Better call the IRS!!...We'll have to wait until 'Media Matters' has their say!!
MSNBC should tell us when!!...then they'll check it out with Holder, to make sure of the 'accuracy'...and then leave it up to Jay Carney to explain it all, and after a month or two of evolving statements, he'll cover every possibility, but the truth, and by process of elimination, we'll get to the bottom of it....and once you know THAT formula, how can anyone say that this administration was 'anything less than transparent'????.......and you know what???...if there is anything less than a Republican, it must be your regular run of the mill American citizen.....PESTS!

GfS

...hmmm, wait a minute...I got it all wrong...and so does the rest of the dummy Americans......TRANSPARENCY???....isn't that like being able to see right through them????


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 May 13 - 11:52 AM

Transparency, and what happened, from the left's point of view!

Gfs


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 13 - 02:20 PM

World Net Daily was founded by Joseph Farah, an arch-conservative writer who acts as its editor-in-chief. He formerly collaborated with Rush Limbaugh in writing a book. This might give you some idea of which direction Joseph Farah is coming from.

World Net Daily utilizes a number of contributing writers, including Pat Buchanan, Ellis Washington, Ann Coulter, David Limbaugh (Rush Limbaugh's younger brother), and Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly. It also has featured weekly columns by Libertarians (not Liberals, but Libertarians, who tend to be disciples of the social and economic philosophy of Ayn Rand, which, among other things, calls for complete and total deregulation of all business, industry, and banking and ending welfare programs and Social Security) Walter Williams, Vox Day, and Ilana Mercer.

World Net Daily published several articles claiming that the World Trade Center was destroyed by shaped charges and that the footage of airliners crashing into the buildings shown on the news were special effects films produced by either Lucas Film or Disney Studios. This, the claim goes, was to stage a "Pearl Harbor" to justify our invading the Middle East in pursuit of their oil fields.

World Net Daily emerged as a leading outlet publicizing conspiracy theories about Barack Obama's citizenship status, claiming that Obama is not a natural-born American citizen and is thus not eligible to serve as president.

The Obama birth certificate controversy is a long running pet gripe of Joseph Farah and received excessive coverage on WND. On most days, the vast majority, if not all, of its headlines, tended to be about the so-called "controversy." The headlines that were not about the birth-certificate or eligibility are their "special offers" or other advertisements for books such as "How to Survive the Coming Holocaust." The website will host any article which contains any opinion that could possibly point to Obama being ineligible to be President of the United States. Despite there being a very high quality picture of his birth certificate on the internet, they still believe he is ineligible because:

1. He was born in Kenya, his Grandma said so.

2. He was born in an unnamed hospital in Hawaii, which does not claim credit.

3. They only showed his birth certificate to a "select few media outlets," not to WND, so it must be fake.

4. Even if it is real, the certificate is a "Certificate of Live Birth" not a "Birth Certificate", so it proves nothing (The Governor of Hawaii has said repeatedly that the "Certificate of Live Birth" IS the official birth certificate issued in the state of Hawaii).

5. Even if he has a "long-form" birth certificate, he lived in Indonesia for some years and gave up his American citizenship.

6. Even if he lived in Indonesia without giving up his US citizenship, his father was Kenyan and so does not meet our the Constitution's definition of "natural born citizen", because both parents have to be US citizens.

Just to show their determination to get that black Democrat out of the White House uphold the Constitution, they claim to have raised more than $65,000 to erect billboards around the country with the message "Where's the Birth Certificate?"

And other than his campaign against President Obama, Farah has frothing at the mouth screaming fits at the idea of same-sex marriage, and claims that God will destroy America if this ever comes to pass.

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I am not at all surprised that Goofballupagus gets his "news" from this "source."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 May 13 - 03:41 PM

So?
Do you think 'Media Matters' is any less agenda driven???
Do you think 'MSNBC' is any less agenda driven???
Do you think 'Eric Holder' is any less agenda driven???
Do you think 'Jay Carney' is any less agenda driven???
Do you think 'Donny Froth' is any less agenda driven???

Does it matter that the story was any less factual??..or are you going to throw out the baby with the bathwater??...oooops I forgot, you don't give a rat's ass about babies, yours or any one else's!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 13 - 04:14 PM

Not "factual" at all. A tissue of lies.

You embrace anything that might reflect your prejudices, no matter how far-fetched. That explains a great deal about YOU!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 May 13 - 05:56 PM

Explain.....if you can.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 30 May 13 - 08:43 PM

Well, Holder might have to go. Back before I was enlightened by my guardian moderator I started a thread about Fast and Furious. She closed it, for my own good. I mean, you just can't criticize Obama. It's unamerican. So I was politically corrected by my own little Magpie, and it's made me a better man. A more honest man.

I now embrace the government's version of the events of September 11th. I'm ashamed to think that I ever questioned the official version. Live and learn.

I must go now, to ponder the miracle that is Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 13 - 08:46 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Bill D
Date: 30 May 13 - 08:59 PM

Go? You NEED to go... I know just the place to arrange it!

http://conservativetours.com/

Their slogan is "Travel Right!"

No... it's not a joke. It's a way to be sure you don't end up at the Eiffel Tower with any nasty liberals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 May 13 - 10:05 PM

It doesn't matter...'Right wing' and 'left wing' are on the same bird'!

Were you planning on flying??

gfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 May 13 - 07:43 PM

Obama's attorney general admits approving search warrant for news reporter

31 May 2013

US Attorney General Eric Holder personally approved the Obama administration's secret effort to seize email records of Fox News reporter James Rosen in 2010. The Justice Department was forced to admit this fact following an NBC News report documenting Holder's role.

In an official statement issued last Friday, the Justice Department hypocritically claimed it "takes seriously the First Amendment right to freedom of the press. In recognition of this, the Department took great care in deciding that a search warrant was necessary in [this] matter, vetting the decision at the highest levels of the Department, including discussions with the Attorney General."

The announcement amounts to an admission that Holder lied when he testified before Congress on May 15 regarding the administration's crackdown on information disclosures made by government officials to journalists.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/31/hold-m31.html

Things look bad for Holder. He can now be cited for contempt of congress because he lied. But we know the REAL reason he's being persecuted. Sure, he violated the constitution he swore to uphold, but the Republicans are picking on him because he's black.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 May 13 - 11:54 PM

REPEAT!:


From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 May 13 - 04:12 PM

"Why would you trust the bureaucracy with your health if you can't trust the bureaucracy with your politics?"

"How can you put Obamacare under an Internal Revenue Service? Remember, this is an administration which will not profile terrorists, but will profile patriots, profile constitutional groups."

"The parallel between Benghazi and the IRS story is amazing, Lying, then lying about lying, and then hiding from the fact that they're lying. Then seeking to apologize for the lies they claim they didn't tell."



Even a broken clock is right...twice a day!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 13 - 12:08 AM

Very nice. What do you call it, "Best of Dumbass"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Jun 13 - 01:42 AM

Oh, I think not...I don't know you well enough to get personal!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 06:31 PM

Those damned Republicans. Now they're putting out stories that the IRS targeted Obama's political opponents on orders from Washington DC, not Cincinnati:

http://xrepublic.tv/node/3540

And they're going to make Obama pick a Republican to head the FBI:

President Barack Obama is expected to nominate former George W. Bush-era Deputy Attorney General James Comey as the next director of the FBI, according to multiple media outlets that have published fawning reports about Comey's supposed independence and upstanding moral character.

Comey, according to those reports, is deemed the ideal pick because he is a Republican who also is admired by Democrats...

According former DEA Special Agent in Charge Sandalio Gonzalez, Comey played key role in helping to cover up what he describes as "one of the darkest chapters in the history of US federal law enforcement."

The case to which Gonzalez is referring is the House of Death — in which a US government informant assisted, and even participated in, the torture and murder of a dozen people, mostly Mexican citizens, who were then buried in the backyard of a house in Juarez, Mexico.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/FBI_Director_Candidate_Comey_Complicit_in_%E2%80%9CDark_Chapter%E2%80%9D_in_US_History/26422/0/0/

Damned Republicans. But in the good news, Obama's anti-gun program won a MAJOR victory:

A kindergartner who brought a cowboy-style cap gun onto his Calvert County school bus was suspended for 10 days after showing a friend the orange-tipped toy, which he had tucked inside his backpack on his way to school, according to his family and a lawyer.

The child was questioned for more than two hours before his mother was called, she said, adding that he uncharacteristically wet his pants during the episode....

If the punishment stands, it would become part of the boy's permanent school record and keep him out of classes the rest of the school year, the family said. He would miss his end-of-year kindergarten program at Dowell Elementary School in Lusby.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/cowboy-style-cap-gun-gets-5-year-old-ousted-from-school-in-calvert-county/2013/05/


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Subject: RE: BS: Obamagate and Mean Republicans
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 11:51 AM

Damn Republicans want to call back Holder, to question him about the lies he told Congress. Who do they think they are doing such a partisan thing???

Only problem is, the Republicans are only the other half of the comedy/tragedy theater, being played out as a MAJOR distraction from a lot bigger story.

It's all theater, folks...and both sides work for the production company....and it ain't you or me....they are working together to hide the fact that the World Bank (and affiliates) are in DEEP shit...and the only possible way out is to collapse economies, and 'reconstruct' one to take it's place...and that one is going to be a major clusterfuck!
I think I'll just stick to playing music....it's a better way.

GfS


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Subject: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 10:53 PM

WASHINGTON — In an initiative aimed at rooting out future leakers and other security violators, President Barack Obama has ordered federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues based on behavioral profiling techniques that are not scientifically proven to work, according to experts and government documents.

The techniques are a key pillar of the Insider Threat Program, an unprecedented government-wide crackdown under which millions of federal bureaucrats and contractors must watch out for "high-risk persons or behaviors" among co-workers. Those who fail to report them could face penalties, including criminal charges.

Federal employees and contractors are asked to pay particular attention to the lifestyles, attitudes and behaviors – like financial troubles, odd working hours or unexplained travel – of co-workers as a way to predict whether they might do "harm to the United States."

All departments and agencies involved in the program must closely track their employees' online activities. The information gathered by monitoring, the administration documents say, "could be used against them in criminal, security, or administrative proceedings." Experts who research such efforts say suspicious behaviors include accessing information that someone doesn't need...

"If you normally print 20 documents a week, well, what happens if the next week or the following week you have to print 50 documents or 100 documents? That could be at variance from your normal activity that could be identified and might be investigated,"

...an FBI insider threat detection guide warns private security personnel and managers to watch for "a desire to help the 'underdog'

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/09/196211/linchpin-for-obamas-plan-to-predict.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 10:58 PM

Minority Report (2002)

In a future where a special police unit is able to arrest murderers before they commit their crimes, an officer from that unit is himself accused of a future murder.

Director: Steven Spielberg

Writers: Philip K. Dick (short story), Scott Frank (screenplay)

Stars: Tom Cruise, Max von Sydow, Colin Farrell

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/

It's like we're all movie stars now. How cool is that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:32 PM

Songwronger,

Wrong again. The movie you belong in was a Jack Nicholson vehicle from the early 1970's


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:35 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamespoulos/2013/07/10/obama-administration-anti-leak-scheme-shows-precrime-and-total-information-aw

Obama Administration Anti-Leak Scheme Shows Precrime and Total Information Awareness Go Hand In Hand

Snowden's leaks were important not just because of what they contained, but because of what they represented — authoritative fact, as opposed to the trashy, easily-discredited theories of the conspiracy set. Snowden's information had become too mainstream for people not to be totally aware of it.

So I waited for the other shoe to drop — for information on Bush-Obama efforts at precrime to migrate from the swampy margins of American consciousness to the sunny uplands.

It's not taking long....


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:59 PM

Why did you click on this thread? By doing so you're "accessing information" that you may not need. I'm afraid I'll have to report you.

Below is a link to a helpful "Insider Threat" brochure, a rather large pdf. Familiarize yourself with it and report suspicious activities.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CFAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dss.mil%2Fdocume

In case you need to be walked through the propaganda with a How To video, the link below will take you to one by CBS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxiWTzWu_oA

I know it seems odd that you're no longer supposed to report people who are violating the U.S. constitution, but that's Obama's America. If you don't like it, it's because of racism or something. I forget. But nowadays you're supposed to protect the criminals by snitching on people who might inform on them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 12:06 AM

In the name of "National Security"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:55 AM

You likely mean National Insecurity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 09:47 PM

Obama's Informants

...Massive citizen informant networks were used throughout the Soviet Bloc in Eastern Europe to destroy perceived opposition to dictatorial rule, particularly in Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Hungary. The best example of an informant network in the communist world, of course, was in East Germany where the Ministry of State Security (or Stasi) controlled one informant for every 60 citizens. These informants were told that they were their country's first line of defense against threats to national security.

The informant network of the Obama administration is similarly insidious, with federal employees required to keep close tabs on co-workers, and managers facing penalties, including criminal charges, for failing to report their suspicions. According to Marisa Taylor and Jonathan Landay, reporting in McClatchyDC.com on June 20, there are government documents that equate leaks with espionage. A Defense Department paper issued in 2012 exhorts its employees to "hammer this fact home…leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States."

The Obama administration's initiative is called the Insider Threat Program and it is not restricted to the national security bureaucracy. The Department of Education has informed its employees that co-workers going through "certain life experiences," such as divorce or "frustrations with co-workers," could turn a trusted employee into "an insider threat." According to Taylor and Landay, the Department of Agriculture and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have produced online tutorials titled "Treason 101" to teach employees to recognize the psychological profile of spies. They say that the Peace Corps is implementing such a program.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/obamas-informants/45010/

Someone told me today that he thought it was odd how strongly the government is condemning whistleblowers, and yet the government is encouraraging US to blow the whistle on one another with bullshit snitch programs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Insider Threat / Pre-crime Program
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 10:09 PM

To the tune of "The Volga Boatman:"

"Para-noi-a (grunt), para-noi-a (grunt). . . ."

(Songwronger starts yet ANOTHER hate Obama thread. This is getting ridiculous!!)

Don Firth


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