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BS: Obama Hate Thread...

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Apr 13 - 02:57 PM
GUEST,Niggardly Bastard 08 Apr 13 - 02:56 PM
Ebbie 08 Apr 13 - 02:24 PM
GUEST,Niggardly Bastard 08 Apr 13 - 01:39 PM
Bobert 08 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Apr 13 - 11:46 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Apr 13 - 11:40 AM
GUEST,Niggardly Bastard 08 Apr 13 - 09:32 AM
Bobert 08 Apr 13 - 08:46 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 08 Apr 13 - 12:27 AM
GUEST,Niggardly Bastard 08 Apr 13 - 12:18 AM
GUEST,Niggardly Bastard 07 Apr 13 - 11:49 PM
Bobert 07 Apr 13 - 11:26 PM
GUEST,Niggardly Bastard 07 Apr 13 - 11:13 PM
Bobert 07 Apr 13 - 11:02 PM
GUEST,Niggardly Bastard 07 Apr 13 - 10:45 PM
Amos 07 Apr 13 - 10:16 PM
Bobert 07 Apr 13 - 09:36 PM
Don Firth 07 Apr 13 - 08:42 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:57 PM

Bobert: "The Uni-bomber didn't have anything on you, GfinS, in writing incoherent manifestos... Maybe ya'll related???"

From my last post: "Like right now!..You are dodging..and pretending....so who do you ask??..the other 'Great Pretender'!
(continuing)...."and then they turn around in a glazed eye stupor, try to change the subject,"

Like you are trying to do AGAIN, right now!"

AND>>..............(from what you just read, in my post):....."This is because shallow, 'so-called liberals' don't seem to be able to think for themselves, use name calling, as to TRY to discredit, whomever they are talking to, whenever they are cornered and have to confront the truth. They do this because the 'excuse department' ran out of truth and/or logic...so all you got is some lame-ass accusation tossing, hung over from the '60's.."

Now, being as right now you are being 'stopped in your tracks', and called on it..wouldn't it seem, on your behalf to pause and reflect...just to consider another point of view...that just be more accurate???

Hey, I'm on YOUR side....you just haven't defined it well enough for your own well being!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:56 PM

So the way you see it, if a person pays into the fund all their life they better not be too successful.
Or the government gets to keep it all.
It's like their income tax was doubled for their entire life.
You get rewarded for being a slacker and failure.
Oh, that's what you want.
A reward for not trying very hard.
Good for you.
Bad for the people who strove for success.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:24 PM

Henry, does it enter into your equation that the administration is attempting to find avenues that the GOP will agree to travel? I'm with Bobert: There is no reason on the gods' green earth that people garnering $250,000 and up need a monthly Social Security check that amounts perhaps to $12,000 annually. Chicken feed.

I've had only one really rich friend in my life. One day he was grousing that Social Security is a nuisance that only complicates his taxes.

I said, Why do you accept it?

He: Because it's mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:39 PM

Like I said, bobette.
When your Boy Wonder wants to cut it, it's just the right thing to do.
If say, Sarah Palin wanted to do it, you'd die from apoplexy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM

The Uni-bomber didn't have anything on you, GfinS, in writing incoherent manifestos... Maybe ya'll related???

As for Social Security, B-man??? I have no problems diddling with not only it but with Medicare... I mean, I see no reason why people who are drowning in cash need it... I also see no reason to not up the cap...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 11:46 AM

Correction: First paragraph:

"So, when people are giving you answers that don't fit into your propaganda indoctrination, (built on lies from Party bosses), you accuse them of being 'haters' and 'bigots', and anything else FROM the usual tactical, worn out, hollow 'play book'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 11:40 AM

Here Bobert, lets go in baby steps.....

"With THREE links(two provided by me, and one of them was the search page with multiple sites), and Babette says that N.G. is dodging the question, when he's been repeatedly hit with the answers....(given by those you pretend to not understand).

Like right now!..You are dodging..and pretending....so who do you ask??..the other 'Great Pretender'!

(continuing)...."and then they turn around in a glazed eye stupor, try to change the subject,"

Like you are trying to do AGAIN, right now!

(Continuing).."and accuse the people giving them the answers, of being 'haters' bigots, and other names from the 'so-called liberal' play book."

So, when people are giving you answers that don't fit into your propaganda indoctrination, (built on lies from Party bosses), you accuse them of being 'haters' and 'bigots', and anything else the usual tactical, worn out, hollow 'play book'. This is because shallow, 'so-called liberals' don't seem to be able to think for themselves, use name calling, as to TRY to discredit, whomever they are talking to, whenever they are cornered and have to confront the truth. They do this because the 'excuse department' ran out of truth and/or logic...so all you got is some lame-ass accusation tossing, hung over from the '60's to try to discredit them....(is that clear enough?)

(continuing)..."Now I didn't make this stuff up....it's all there, for all to see....and then they go blind..."I diddent see it"

Just scroll back and read the posts....you guys do this over and over again, and then when the person whom you FALSELY accuse, by 'name calling', object, and fire back, you try to paint them as a nasty, mean person...and claim something stupid like 'You didn't understand it' or '..it wasn't said clearly enough'(LIKE NOW)...or, you just go on, as if nobody asked you a question about something you posted about your positions!

(Continuing)..."Now come on, if being a dedicated liberal, or conservative relies on this kind of blatant dishonest tactic, how can the 'cause' be anything less than deceptive????"

Self explanatory

(Continuing)..."you say its white..they say it's black...you say the sky is blue...they say magenta .....you post an article...they don't agree with WHO the source was....you provide a variety of sources...they blame Bush, and call you a name.
Boy, where do I sign up....you guys have sold me!!...(rolls eyes)

Always arguing over nothing but the smallest anecdotal 'points', and taking the reverse argument, even when it is not the point being talked about....so, to clarify, the person who you are talking with provides a link, to back up what they are saying, and for you to comment on. Then you start trying to discredit the source, even if the story is truthful, but you don't like what is being said....or, it refutes your position...or, sheds light on something that you don't want to hear, believe, or embarrasses you to the 'reading audience'.....then, the big escape hatch: Blame Bush!.....Sorry, I know Bush was a disaster, but Obama, when elected, had Congress(both houses) but did NOTHING, but push his Obamacare through, which is more of a massive amount of governmental control over the people than anything near 'health care'. He could have done SOMETHING to undo what Bush had done, or he could have reversed some of Bush's 'Executive Orders'...but NO..he did the same fucking things along the same fucking path...up to, and including NDAA!!!!!
Now, with this bit of lame bullshit, along with your 'head in the sand tactics', you want to try to 'entice' people to your position?????
FUCK NO!!..It is not only dishonest, it's lame! Why would anyone 'come over' to an indefensible, dishonest point of view...especially when the proponents of that view act so childish, as a result of holding that view????????

(Too much reading for ya' huh?....next you'll claim fatigue)

These!..I hope that wasn't too strenuous for you two.

Care to comment on the TOPIC?? as per aforementioned?? (Now that you 'should' have had it made clear??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 09:32 AM

bobette.
Your Boy Wonder proposes cutting social spending.
Is that what you elected him for?
Oh I get it.
That's only bad when Republicans propose it.
When Prez al-Obama proposes it, it's a good thing.

Sad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 08:46 AM

Yo, Don... Can you decipher GfinS last post??? Seems a tad incoherant...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:27 AM

With THREE links(two provided by me, and one of them was the search page with multiple sites), and Babette says that N.G. is dodging the question, when he's been repeatedly hit with the answers....and the same goes for the Froth-meister...and then they turn around in a glazed eye stupor, try to change the subject, and accuse the people giving them the answers, of being 'haters' bigots, and other names from the 'so-called liberal' play book.
Now I didn't make this stuff up....it's all there, for all to see....and then they go blind..."I diddent see it"
Now come on, if being a dedicated liberal or conservative relies on this kind of blatant dishonest tactic, how can the 'cause' be anything less than deceptive????
you say its white..they say it's black...you say the sky is blue...they say magenta .....you post an article...they don't agree with WHO the source was....you provide a variety of sources...they blame Bush, and call you a name.
Boy, where do I sign up....you guys have sold me!!...(rolls eyes)

Just go for the truth, don't color it...just the truth...it may cause your 'opinions' to align themselves closer to reality!

P.S. Relax, Don, you're excluded!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:18 AM

I thought so.
Not a peep out of you.
But when a Republican so much as mentions cutting Social Security or Medicare
You Boys Scream The Loudest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:49 PM

Blablabla...yakyakyak.....
Just remember bobette.
It wasn't a Republican that proposed cuts to Social Security and Medicare this time around.
It was your Boy Wonder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:26 PM

No, N.B....

You have dodge the question...

YOU made the accusation... I said no cherry picking... Most of those folks never made it into the Obama cabinet...

What you have done is pure simple laziness... You made the claim... You go thru the entire list of cabinet appointees and not rely on some Obama Hate Brigade BS blog-shit...

Get to work... No rightie blog-shit... Lets get real here... There are thousands of folks who are appointed in every administration... Do you even understand that???

I mean, oif you are going to do the accusing then you need to do the homework...

here's a good start... Just take the cabinet appointees that Obama has made... ALL OF THEM...

Get back to us when you have done your homework and not just assumed that some right winged Obama Hate Blog has it covered because guess what???

They don't...

I'll be awaiting your final answer with baited breath...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:13 PM

Here, bobette.
One of many lists.
He Sold You Out!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:02 PM

What issues???

Lobbyists???

Okay, N.B.

How about going thru his ALL his cabinet appointees and list which lobby they came from???

Hey, you made the accusation, dude...

Now do the homework... No cherry picking here...

Go thru ALL of them and come back with your findings...

Oh, too much work???

Too bad... You have made the accusation now put your money where you mouth is or shut the fuck up...

Easy to parrot right wing BS, ain't it???

Put up or shut up!!!

All of them, dude...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 10:45 PM

Confront the issues, bobette, Mr. Firth, Amos.
Don't engage in personal attacks.
Engaging in them makes you look bad.
Petty.
Smallminded.
Obama has filled his cabinet with lobbyists.
He claimed he would not do that.
He lied.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 10:16 PM

You guys are about as spinny as you can get, attributing things to Obama that were never done by him and never in his power tyo do. Alternatively distorting things he has done as though he set about to do criminal things, or destructive things, with absolutely no real-world attention to the had facts of political life in the White House hotseat. As a result of your overheated isinglass-filtered perspective you have a spinny and distorted worldview throwing you around, and you end up frothing at the mouth like so many rabid roof-dogs.

It's kind of sad to see a discussion forum dragged into the much by this sort of invective, isn't it?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:36 PM

Ya' know some folks do change, Don... Some see the the light while others feel the heat...

It's sad to read these people's bill of particulars... It reminds me of a different time when black people were lynched for the kinds of stuff that we are hearing here...

So I am accused of being an "Obama apologist"???

These 3 should be apologizing for their shallow bill of particulars... Their generalizations... Their parroting of Republican PR talking points...

Like I said, Chongz has all 3 beat all to hell and back in common sense... Well, I didn't actually say that but I have now...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 08:42 PM

Goofballupagus and the aptly named Niggardly Bastard are demonstrating a not uncommon condition for them:   constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the keyboard.

There is no treatment for this condition.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 08:16 PM

Nice try, Bill, but there is no stopping the Obama Hate Brigade here... They worm here and weasel there and use every conceivable negative thing as their Holy Grail that Obama deserves their hate...

That's why I refer to them as the "classless and free"... John Lennon had these hater dead to right...

...all fucking peasants as far as I can see...

You won't reach them... I won't... They have appointed themselves as the judge, jury and executioners... They sound a lot like the folks I have known all my life here in the South...

"Me racist??? No, sir, some of my best friends are black"...

Uh huh...

There can be no other explanation... Their stories are too shallow... Their bill of particulars too flimsy... Their rationals too Southern...

Seen it all me life...

But, hey, beats hearing them calling Obama a nigger like a lot of my neighbors so, I guess, they get some credit...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 06:20 PM

I need to expound on Jeff immelt....here's an short article....worth the read

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 03:23 PM

..and all those 'shovel ready jobs"!....yeah, he was 'shoveling it', alright......made them corporate/banksters a LOT of money, which never made it to those guys with the imaginary shovels!!!
Imagine that!

...or giving Jeff Immelt half a billion dollars, and made him 'Jobs Czar'...only thing, is that he must have not told him that the jobs were needed in America...Jeff was so dizzy, he made a left turn and gave it all to China....Happy Wal-Mart shopping!!

...not to mention those all to important bailouts....except the people who needed it aren't buying the yachts, that those who got it are....

...and then there's always that job explosion of Obamacare...seems they'll need it, because they're sick of nobody being able to get jobs, because employers are no longer employing because of it...
Well, at least we got another 140,000 new IRS agents to 'administer' health care!

...glad the Post Office is doing a bang out job...sorta like a preview of things to come!

....and look at all the jobs he 'created' by lying about the sequester, why, when the lay offs didn't happen, they'll count that as 'newly created employment'!!

..even notice that, as in this month, 88,000 NEW jobs created....and only 362,000 new unemployment filings...and then they post that the unemployment rate dropped another tenth of a per cent??!!!

..makes great 'pep talk' material...the orgasm should last another day an a half!

Oh well....it doesn't matter....if you believe that shit, it's only because you're addicted to shit!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:30 PM

"Obama was handed the worst economy since the 1920s...

...and made it a lot worse!"

Ask GM and the holders of the millions of new jobs that are (too slowly of course) being added... constantly since Obama was elected. Ask the Congressional Budget Office why the deficit is (too slowly for real comfort of course) being **reduced**. Also ask them when the jobs were put on thin ice and the recession started and who racked of the huge debts we are now trying to counter.

Oh, don't bother asking... you wouldn't understand their answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:17 PM

Babette: "Got news for you... Obama is neither a king or a dictator... No matter what he privately might want to do there aren't constitutional paths for him to do it... He's doing about as much as he can do given his constitutional powers..."

WHAT!!!???? He's doing everything to eliminate OUR Constitution Rights!!..Jeez....haven't you been hearing the news??..or only reading your Democrat Party pep talk pamphlets??

Babette: "Again, lets do some reality:

Babette: "1. Obama was handed 2 fucked up wars..."

...and got us into a couple of new ones!

Babette: "2. Obama was handed the worst economy since the 1920s...

...and made it a lot worse!

Babette: "3. Obama was handed the Congress that has been the most obstructionist since 1860..."

...No he wasn't..that is an outright lie!...He had EVERYTHING...and pissed it all away on that fucked up, freedom closing Obamacare....if he wanted to he could have done virtually anything he wanted...but instead, rammed through, behind the 'closed doors of transparency' stupid bill that, even more stupider, the dick-wads who voted for it, DIDN'T even read it!!!...and the ones that were on the fence were bribed with exemptions from it!!!....and a lot of them were NOT re-elected for it!..Get a clue!! Now that's what you call representation?????

Babette: "4. In 2010 the wealthy bought even more of Congress with their Tea Party puppets who are out to destroy the government...

The 'wealthy' ALREADY owned Congress, The presidency and both parties!
How do you think numb-nuts got in????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:06 PM

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....okay, give me a hint.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:24 AM

bobette is an Obama apologist.
Plain and simple.
I tried to start a more upbeat, positive
"Obama Love Thread", but a moderator combined it with this miasma of negativity.
So, let's do it here.
What do you absolutely love about President Obama?
I think he has a certain hip,
Sammy Davis Jr kind of cool about him.
I bet he would have made a great member of The Rat Pack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 11:12 AM

Will Fly's post was dead on!..and N.G.'s follow up post was right there with it...(as mine have been, Little Hawk's and a few others, who aren't consumed with 'party politics'...or is that 'potty politics'.
We'll call them 'Partitions' (because that's what they are about), seem to be in a mode of perpetually making up lame excuses, whether it be Repubs or Demo's, because they refuse to look at things the way they really are, and rather keep 'hoping' instead of 'changing'. You'd think that in their hoping, they finally hope that SOMETHING they say, might be at least, in line with what is really going on. Methinks they've 'hoped' and excused' themselves into an alternate reality and universe, AND THEN, more often than not, they are the same characters who attack 'religion'!!!
As I said before, I don't hate Obama...he's only doing what he is paid to do...the problem is, that our tax dollars are buying the best representation of the bankster/corporations agendas that money can buy...and this keeps going on, whether they are from either of their subsidiary political parties!!

...and then the over re-active 'claim' that those who clearly see it, are somehow 'racist', or 'haters'. Some people may or may not only see 'color'....me?..I see 'clear'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:45 AM

I think you misunderstood the question, bobette. The question is : What has Obama undone of Bush's making?
I can think of only one thing.
Those stupid amber, yellow, red, purple and vermillion alerts ( just joking about the last two...hehe!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:24 AM

More complete ignorance (or denial) of reality, N.B, on your part...

Got news for you... Obama is neither a king or a dictator... No matter what he privately might want to do there aren't constitutional paths for him to do it... He's doing about as much as he can do given his constitutional powers...

Jack is right... He, as promised gotten US out of Iraq... And he's trying to do the same in Afghanistan... The problems with wars is that they just don't end well too often, with WW II being an exception to the rule...

War for American Independence... didn't end well or there wouldn't have been the War of 1812

The American Civil War... didn't end well and still not over

WW I... didn't end well or we wouldn't have had WW II 20 years later

Korean War... didn't end well or at all for that matter

Vietnam... didn't end well

Iraq... didn't end well

Afghanistan... won't end well

So Obam is being held to a higher standard that all the presidents that have come before him... That is reality... It's easy to say things like "We should apologize to Iraq" as a private citizen... Impossible as president... If Obama were to do that he be beaten into a pulp by the right wing and they would use that one pronouncement to render him all but dead politically...

I mean, you and the other two rose-colored-glasses, GfinS and sidekick, LH, don't do reality...

I mean, you can go down the list of things you think Obama should or can do but until you take them glasses off and become informed you three sound like 2 year olds...

Sorry, I am a student of politics and I do reality... I read more differing stories, opinions and articles on a full spectrum of real world events every day than I'd bet the 3 of you do in a year...

That's why I put up a challenge for ya'll to get your heads out of each others asses and actually become part of the real world and not ya'll's make-believe 2 year old's world...

Again, lets do some reality:

1. Obama was handed 2 fucked up wars...

2. Obama was handed the worst economy since the 1920s...

3. Obama was handed the Congress that has been the most obstructionist since 1860...

4. In 2010 the wealthy bought even more of Congress with their Tea Party puppets who are out to destroy the government...

Again, given the "real" realities of what was going to be possible Jesus Christ Himself wasn't going do more than what Obama has done...

Your childish question of what Obama has done that Bush didn't do is just that... When you start asking adult questions then I'll know that you are reading adult materials... Right now, the 3 of you aren stuck at the "Jack 'n Jill" level of reality...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 07:43 AM

I couldn't agree more.
Now Obama wants to see increased tax revenues.
I think we know what's coming next.
Remember Ronald Reagan's IRS terrorism?
Get ready for another round of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 07:21 AM

This is one of my favourite quotes from the left-wing English politician Tony Benn:

As a minister, I experienced the power of industrialists and bankers to get their way by use of the crudest form of economic pressure, even blackmail... These lessons led me to the conclusion that the UK is only superficially governed by MPs and the voters who elect them. Parliamentary democracy is, in truth, little more than a means of securing a periodical change in the management team, which is then allowed to preside over a system that remains in essence intact. If the British people were ever to ask themselves what power they truly enjoyed under our political system they would be amazed to discover how little it is...

He wrote this many years ago and I think it could probably apply to both the US and the UK now. I can't comment specifically on Obama, Romney et al, because I don't know enough about the US political system - but I do know that though governments come and governments go, the social fabric and structures essentially seem to remain the same.

Or perhaps they don't, as we are now seeing the rich become richer and the poor become poorer...


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Subject: BS: Obama Love Thread
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 06:08 AM

Hate is such a negative term.
Love, however, is positive.
So, I dedicate this thread to expressing all the things you love about President Obama.
Have at it, lovers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:18 AM

He should apologize to the Iraqi people for the illegal invasion of their country.
And have Bush and Cheney among others executed.
I knew Bush was throwing the country into a major depression.
And Obama is going to take care Wall Street.
While we all get by on less and less.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:08 AM

Well, he got us out of Iraq.

As for the deficit- ya don't seem to have noticed that the little Bush went to war -twice - with no plans to pay for them. You don't mind that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:49 AM

Answer the question, bobette.
What has Prez al-Obama done to undo the damage GWB did?
Don't engage in personal attacks and namecalling.
Answer the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 10:06 PM

GfinS and LH wouldn't care less... Oh, opps... My bad... If we did they wouldn't know that it had happened because they live a parallel universe that doesn't do, ahhhh, reality...

But good one, Capt'n...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:57 PM

"Would we have been better off to elect that draft dodging, tax evading lying, vulture capitalist, animal abusing dim wit who suggested opening the windows in an airplane? I don't think so. "

LOL LOL LOL!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:52 PM

Oh, and BTW... Your bud won't take the challenge either...

Like they say, "Ignorance is bliss"...

Have a blissful evening...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:50 PM

Evasion, GfinS....

That's all you do...

I challenge you to get into the here and now and you, ahhhh...

...play child's games...

Get a life and get an education and, oh, BTW, you are so ignorant that that you don't have a clue...

But, hey... Your games are amusing... Talking with you is like talking with a 3 year old who is stuck in saying "Why" a thousand times...

You won't take the challenge because it would mean that you might have to actually, ahhhhh, learn just how ignorant you are???

Horrors!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:38 PM

OK, you couldn't answer that one...so try it this way...What did bush fuck up, that Obama fixed.
..Mind you, I'm not a Bush fan.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:14 PM

Would we have been better off to elect that draft dodging, tax evading lying, vulture capitalist, animal abusing dim wit who suggested opening the windows in an airplane? I don't think so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 09:00 PM

If you and yer circle jerk partner would spend a little more attention to "real news" and less time in Tin Foil Nation blogs you would know the following:

1. Obama inherited two expensive fucked up wars...

2. Obama inherited the worst economy since the late 1920s...

3. Obama inherited deficits that the Bush people back loaded to continue to rise no matter what any future president did...

4. Obama has had the higest level of obstructionism since Lincoln had to deal with the Southern Democrats since 1860...

These are the realities here... Ya'll need to each pledge a week to read "real time" news... Not books... Books are a waste of time... People read them to support their biases... Here's my suggestion to ya'll... Sign up at the Washington Post and read ***everything*** Read news... Read op-eds... Read discussions...

About a week and you will each see that you aren't in the here and now real world...

I spend at least 2 hours every day doing exactly what I am suggesting and have for years so one week won't kill ya'll...

I mean, no offense, but you song is so old that it has rust on top of rust... Sorry that ya'll are trying to relive 1992, 1996 and 2000 when your song was in but "it was a new day yesterday, it's an old day now"...

This shit ain't on Obama...

It on the rich people and their Republican buddies, especially the Tea Party, who have short-circuited the Founding Fathers little experiment...

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 08:10 PM

Tell me, Bobert, one thing that Bush did that Obama 'undid'....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:59 PM

How about if I suggest some relevant reading material?

Try this: ##########

You'll find plenty of historical material in there to back up my opinions. It's a big book. It'll take a few days to read all of it if you decide to give it a try.

Jack, I'm not even thinking about "the trolls"...whoever that may be...when I'm talking politics. I'm stating my own opinions, period. If I happen to agree with one of "the trolls" on something...(shrug)...so what?

There's a tight little club here. You know exactly how it works. Some people are "in"...and others are not. The ones who are "in" can personally attack anyone they want to in any way they want, and the moderators don't do a thing about it. I don't believe in that little club, and I don't bow down to it. I just state my own opinions, independently regardless. I've never been inclined to bow to peer pressure...or gangs of bullies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:39 PM

I really don't mind the criticism of Obama as much as the GfinS "Both Sides Shuffle" (pick your own key)... Seems that you are stuck on that mythology as if it was back in '96 or 2000...

Times change, man...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:30 PM

Little Hawk always encourages the trolls to be all that they can be. He disregards the lies and helps them attack the trollees by trying to appeal to our consciences.

He tries to be our Jiminy Cricket, their fairy Godmother.

I have no idea why. Maybe he sticks up for the underdog no matter matter how rabid that dog may be. He's sided with much worse trolls than these two.

Maybe because he doesn't get enough attention playing the same song over and over so he joins the Troll Orchestra.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 07:20 PM

(shrug) How is being personally criticized by 2 guys on an Internet talk site supposed to affect my life? I notice that I'm talking about a political system, and your only reaction to that is to talk about me?

The truth is, Bobert, you were quite happy when I was criticizing the Bush administration for 8 years! And I did criticize it. Very thoroughly. That fit your agenda, so you loved what I was saying and thought I was "brilliant". But when Bush got replaced by Obama, then you became very uncomfortable with my criticisms of American policy.

American policy has hardly changed at all in the interim. Your government is run on an imperial policy that involves trying to enforce a Pax Americana on the world through military supremacy. This leads to a certain number of armed conflicts in various places, and those conflicts are mostly tied to controlling strategic resources and trade routes.

It hasn't made any real difference replacing Bush with Obama. The imperial policy rolls on...and just as the Nazis or the Italian Fascists or the Japanese militarists were in the 30s and 40s, this American policy is the enemy of the whole rest of the world (with the exception of Israel and the UK, who are partners in it). That's why the USA is hated and feared by most nations on the face of the Earth today.

Now, remember....I was absolutely DELIGHTED when Obama won in 2008! I've still got the paper saved here from the day after he won (Toronto Star. Nov 5/08. Headline reads "A Dream Fulfilled" "Obama Overcomes"). Virtually all Canadians were delighted he'd won. I've never seen people happier here with an American election result. Because he looked like a progressive who would change things after 8 terrible years of Bush and Cheney.

He has not turned out to be anything of the sort. He is right of center in his policies, his advisors are Wall Street insiders, and he's continuing in George Bush's footsteps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 05:15 PM

Ditto, Greg...

I used to think that LH was so brilliant but once he got hooked on GfinS he started rusting and been rusting ever since...

Wish it weren't so... Seems that Chongz is more enlightened than his creator...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 03:03 PM

Ah yes, Little - another permutation of your "there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans, everyone is corrupt, its all useless, poor poor pitiful us, blah blah blah mantra ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Apparently you don't get tired of the same old bullshit, and it never occurs to you that others might.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Hate Thread...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:19 PM

Right on. It's never been about hating Obama...or hating Bush, but about questioning policies that are just downright wrong from the getgo.

I do find it ironical, though, that people who spent 8 years generating massive amounts of anger at George Bush can't seem to see that Obama has followed in Bush's footsteps and is doing very similar things now that he's in office. Matter of fact, he's gotten away with stuff (like the NDAA) that Bush could only have dreamed of...simply because he's not a Republican, so the many people who voted for him won't subject him to the scrutiny and criticism that they would have subjected a Republican to.

This is how those 2 parties control America and achieve a common purpose. They are immune to attack from most of their own supporters due to their supporters' fear of "the other party" getting into office, and that just keeps the old imperial game rolling along forever....because it's only necessary to fool half of the people all of the time to make the imperial game workable. Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama have all been servants of the same world-devouring and corrupt imperial order.


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