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Songs About Thatcher

GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 08 Apr 13 - 02:36 PM
Dave Hanson 08 Apr 13 - 02:41 PM
GUEST,Ray 08 Apr 13 - 02:44 PM
MtheGM 08 Apr 13 - 02:48 PM
Effsee 08 Apr 13 - 02:59 PM
Dave Sutherland 08 Apr 13 - 03:18 PM
Sue Allan 08 Apr 13 - 03:24 PM
GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 08 Apr 13 - 03:48 PM
GUEST,grumpy 08 Apr 13 - 03:50 PM
Jim McLean 08 Apr 13 - 03:52 PM
2581 08 Apr 13 - 03:58 PM
GUEST,Georgina Boyes 08 Apr 13 - 04:00 PM
GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 08 Apr 13 - 04:03 PM
GUEST,Georgina Boyes 08 Apr 13 - 04:06 PM
Dave MacKenzie 08 Apr 13 - 04:13 PM
kendall 08 Apr 13 - 04:19 PM
GUEST 08 Apr 13 - 04:30 PM
GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 08 Apr 13 - 04:32 PM
Peter the Squeezer 08 Apr 13 - 06:18 PM
GUEST 08 Apr 13 - 06:28 PM
melodeonboy 08 Apr 13 - 06:36 PM
GUEST,JTT 08 Apr 13 - 06:44 PM
Rob Naylor 08 Apr 13 - 07:06 PM
Dave Hanson 09 Apr 13 - 03:57 AM
GUEST,Myrtle's cook 09 Apr 13 - 06:32 AM
GUEST,Fred McCormick 09 Apr 13 - 06:39 AM
GUEST,mike m 09 Apr 13 - 07:26 AM
Nigel Parsons 09 Apr 13 - 08:06 AM
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Subject: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:36 PM

I thought it might be interesting to see how many there are....


'Vulcan & Lucifer' A song written for Thatcher & MacGregor..

'Vulcan and Lucifer' - John Tams & Barry Coope


"...The Miners weren't the only industry to rise up against the privatisation enforced by Margaret Thatcher's government in the 1980s. The Sheffield & Rotherham steel industry also felt the force of her blows, reducing the industry to a tenth of its size in three decades. In the 'Song of Steel' the Radio Ballads focus on the decline of this industry, both in the economic sense and the social ramifications which followed.

'Vulcan and Lucifer' pits Thatcher and McGregor (the man held responsible for breaking both the Steel Workers & the Miners' strikes) against the Devil himself. A mournful lament, the iconic sound of a brass band resonates with the testimonies of the workers as they describe their experiences 1981 strike and the following decline of the industry that they had previously seen as a 'job for life'.
Taken from here:
http://www.brightyoungfolk.com/gigs/the-song-of-steel-radio-ballads-2006/record-detail.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTQo1pkvxM


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:41 PM

Somebody wrote one years ago, it was in the film ' The Wizard of Oz '

No prizes for guessing it.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:44 PM

You beat me to it Dave. I've been waiting to do this since the 1980's

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrHJoj9IqeKg


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: MtheGM
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:48 PM

Oh, teeheeheeheehee...

Don't think I shall bother to open this thread again.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Effsee
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:59 PM

"Targets" by Harvey Andrews.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 03:18 PM

"The Grocer", "The Android" and "Thatcheroo The Vampire" all by Ewan MacColl


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Sue Allan
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 03:24 PM

Pete Coe's the Waves of Tory is brilliant: an excoriating critique of Thatcher and her policies.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 03:48 PM

'The Waves of Tory' - Red Shift


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,grumpy
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 03:50 PM

Elvis Costello - Tramp the Dirt Down


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Jim McLean
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 03:52 PM

Maggie


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: 2581
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 03:58 PM

Of course, Elton John's brilliant "Merry Christmas, Maggie Thatcher" from the play "Billy Elliot".

"Merry Christmas, Maggie Thatcher"

Elton's version


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:00 PM

Lal Waterson's - "Hilda's Cabinet Band"

Georgina


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE ANDROIDS (Ewan MacColl)
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:03 PM

Wow! The lyrics are in the link....

The Grocer - Ewan MacColl

'Androids' - Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger

(With thanks to Dave Hanson for these lyrics, which I found on a thread here started by dear Barry Finn. Sending up a big hug, Barry! x)

THE ANDROIDS
words and music by Ewan MacColl,
from The Essential Ewan MacColl Songbook.

Has it ever crossed your mind to ask yourself why Mrs T talks funny,
Have you never paused to wonder why the lady's so obsessed with saving cash ?
Why she hates the working classes more with every day that passes,
Will she one day up and vanish in a flash,

    If you have then I would ask you to forgive her.
    She's only lately come to us from outer space,
    She's a poor deprived commuter who was built by a computer,
    She's an android, a stranger to the human race.

Has your nervous system never been upset by Mrs Thatcher's martial posture,
Have you listened to her laying down the law and not been scared out of your skin,
Heard her rattling her sabre, scaring all the friends and neighbours,
She's impatient for the next war to begin,

    If you have, then show a little understanding,
    The way that she was programmed it was really grim,
    She was built to man the toll shack in a region called the coal sack
    At the very furthest edge of the galactic rim.

Have you never had occasion to suspect when watching her speak on the telly,
And noticed the occasional wild look and sudden glazing of the eye,
She looks spooked, bombed out and funky, yes, and oddly like a junkie,
As the stuff begins to send one up on high,

    If you have, then do not give way unto panic,
    She doesn't mean to scare you, it is just a game,
    Just remember what you're seeing's not a normal human being,
    Though I grant you that it rather looks the same.

If you're under the impression that our baby-faced Lord Chancellor is a Terran,
Or that Heseltine or Prentice both belong to Homo Sapiens, you're insane,
And you suffer from delusions if you think Sir Keith is human,
Or behind those brooding pop-eyes lurks a brain,

    They are exiles from a far galactic cluster,
    They malfunctioned and were thrown out in disgrace,
    They are made of wire and things and little wheels and bits of string
    They are androids, strangers to the human race.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:06 PM

And Ray Hearne's songs on her destruction of the steel industry, "The German's Couldn't do it like the Grocer's daughter can" and "January Snows"

Georgina


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:13 PM

I sill sing "Maggie's Pit Ponies"


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: kendall
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:19 PM

I like Ian Robb's song best.

..I joined to have a job, it was either that or rob and I never thought I'd curse Brittani's rule...


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:30 PM

Can't find either of those, Georgina...but I found this, albeit only 'footage' of Thatcher (towards the end)

The Unthanks...and a site filled with footage and songs from the Shipyards..Is this to do with The Radio Ballads?

I can't link to it, I'm afraid, as the 'make a link' won't work due to the odd address on it, but if you copy and paste it into your browser, it *will* show up correctly...

To hear the songs press 'Watch Film' in each chapter, which you scroll down to reach.


'Songs from the Shipyards'

thespace.org/items/s0000t26


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:32 PM

Sorry, 'guest' was me..
Oh, for an EDIT button!


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Peter the Squeezer
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 06:18 PM

What shall we do with Margaret Thatcher?
What shall we do with Margaret Thatcher?
What shall we do with Margaret Thatcher?
Earlye in the morning.

Burn burn burn the BASTARD
Burn burn burn the BASTARD
Burn burn burn the BASTARD
Earlye in the morning.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 06:28 PM

Didn't somebody make an album called "Margaret Thatcher: My part in her downfall"? And I believe Chumbawumba have had a celebratory record pressed up and ready to post out on this glorious day for a few years now. Elvis Costello's Tramp The Dirt Down still gets gold for me though.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: melodeonboy
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 06:36 PM

"Mother Knows Best" by Richard Thompson.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 06:44 PM

Elvis Costello's Shipbuilding, where a father looks forward to the chance of getting work again when they open the shipyards, despite the fact that his son will die on the ship he builds.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 07:06 PM

Well I sang "A Long Strong Black Pudding Up Margaret Thatcher" along with Grimm and several hundred others several times as a student, but I do find this gleeful outpouring of bile just a tad distateful.

She had a lack of humanity and compassion??? ....hey, "pot"....meet all these "kettles"!


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:57 AM

And who can forget the worlds greatest hypocrite telling the Polish Government that they ought to listen to the trade unions, words fail me.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Myrtle's cook
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 06:32 AM

Returning to the thread...

Billy Bragg's 'Between the wars' seems to perfectly capture the feeling of living in Thatcher's Britain in the 1980s.

There has to be a bitter irony that whilst she reportedly spent her final days in the 5* Ritz hotel, many of her contemporaries in former coal mining and steel communities are living out their days in towns and villages blighted by decay and deprivation.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THATCHER'S DOWNFALL (Fred McCormick)
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 06:39 AM

Here's part of a song I wrote at the time of Thatcher's Downfall, which is what I called the song. Apologies for not being able to remember all of it. Apologies also for it not being better polished. But as Ronald Reagan used to say, "They didn't want it good. They wanted it Thursday". It goes to the tune of Bold Robert Emmett, The Darling of Erin.

The votes they are counted, the outcome decided,
And a new leader they will have to cheer.
And I am defeated and shamefully treated.
And I, Maggie Thatcher, am out on my ear.

After fifteen long years at the helm of the party,
I can tell you I am highly annoyed.
Though the jobless I created and their numbers inflated,
I never expected to join the unemployed.

But the worst of this pox is that the cardboard boxes
Are taken by the homeless I put out on the street.
And since we old souses sold off council houses,
I've only a back bench to lay down and sleep.

And as for the bleeder they chose for their labour,
Around him they'll rally and they will him salute.
But come the next crisis, then my good advice is,
To break out the long knives - give the buggar the boot!

Yeah, I know. But there's people in the music industry being paid shedloads of money for stuff that's even worse.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,mike m
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 07:26 AM

i sang shirt of blue last night by the men they could not hang
about the miners strike


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Subject: Lyr Add: IRON LADY (Nigel Parsons)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 08:06 AM

IRON LADY
Nigel Parsons 9/4/13
Tune: River Lady (as sung by Roger Whittaker)

The day Hell freezes over is the day she'll start to care.
She called herself "The Iron Lady" but her policies weren't fair.
She sacrificed our miners, and our seamen bold and brave.
When they turf over her casket we will dance upon her grave.

South Atlantic water's freezin'
Just two minutes in, life signs are ceasin'
Floatin' away from the ship with my fingers turning blue
Back on the ship the decks are burnin'
Metal to flame & liquid turnin'
All because Thatcher's flexing her muscles and her powers
Sending us out to fight for islands that were never ours.

The pit wheels have stopped turning, from the policies she had
She said that coal made losses, and we really should be glad.
Her place was University, among the caps and gowns
But she chose to go to Parliament, and killed our mining towns.

Sou-th Atlantic water's freezin'
Just two minutes in, life signs are ceasin'
etc.



The above comments appear to reflect views displayed on Mudcat, but are not necessarily the views of the author.
NP


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE HOUNDS THAT WAIT OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 09:08 AM

A Canadian perspective from Spirit of the West, The Hounds That Wait Outside You Door, written after they'd toured the UK at the height of Thatcherism...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_FwTfyavc8

There's a siren ringing loud
a call of distress
it's winding through these streets
making all you people deaf
i think you're hearing fine
just choosing to ignore
the hounds that wait outside your door

i think your keeping sane
by not keeping score
of the hounds that wait outside your door

this is a fragile situation
an island made of glass
this is an unstable structure
a structure built on class
i think you know full well
just choosing to ignore
the hounds tha wait outside your door

i don't want a stock
in what the future has in store
it's the hounds that wait outside your door

she's back in the chair again
i don't know who put her there
it seems the silent majority spoke
to sway the tory vote
the walls are tumbling down
and madame has the floor
and the hounds that wait outside your door

the apple of your eye
has gone rotten to the core
like the hounds that wait outside your door
ah but you have the answer for
brittania's sinking ship
you need a nice cup of tea
and a stiff upper lip
old blight's goin' down
still you're asking for more
of the hounds that wait outside your door

god save the queen
let the home fires roar
above the hounds that wait outside your door


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: 2581
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 10:24 AM

Guest Mike - Where can I hear "Shirt of Blue"? Best wishes, Tony


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 10:45 AM

Battlefield Band's 'Celtic Hotel' protested at Thatcher's marginalisation/punishment of all the parts of the UK which were not tory strongholds.

"Thousands are out here trying to get in
Roosting at the edge asking what to do to win
Begging cake from that rich woman's hands
We want to know, we need to know, and they'll have to show
Why we're not able
To sit with her
At the banquet table."


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Subject: Lyr Add: SHIRT OF BLUE (Men They Couldn't Hang)
From: GUEST,mike m
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:51 PM

Hi Tony

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7_kwTj0J5Q

sorry not worked out the blue clicky yet but its a great song


hey now Tommy have you got a new shirt
is its colour a fine bright blue?
Has your mother sent you off to your school?
From the street with a pretty view

Shall we wrestle in the old school yard
Like the other children do?
We can scuff these shoes You can tear your hands
And I'll rip that shirt off you

Hey there Tommy since you moved away
They've taken our town and they've made it new
And now there stands a chemical plant
Where the cherry orchard grew
And I married Lucy from the back of our class
Who once wrote letters to you
And we've got kids and we send them to school
From the street with a pretty view
Oh in your shirt of blue
Oh in your shirt of blue

(Chorus...)
Maybe Tommy
We grew up too quick
From the fields
Where the flowers grow
From a butterfly stick
To a baton and a brick
You changed your uniforms far too soon

Hey there Tommy shall we meet again
In the morning wet with dew
Me at the gates of the colliery
And you in your shirt of blue
Shall we wrestle in the muddy patch
like the other poor miners do?
We can scuff our boots we can tear our hands
And I will rip that shirt off you
Oh in your shirt of blue
Oh in your shirt of blue


if I can help you more I will

best wishes

mike m


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,SO!
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 02:15 PM

Here's one called "The Night that Thatcher Died" I found on Reddit:
https://soundcloud.com/emmett-doyle-1/the-night-that-thatcher-died

Quite funny.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 02:25 PM

A couple of the many articles on this topic... (further links to the songs are at the main links)

"Margaret Thatcher: the villain of political pop, Punk had sharpened its claws, and by the time Margaret Thatcher took power a generation of musicians was ready to pounce" (Dorian Lynskey, The Guardian Music Blog)
Protest songs thrive on combat. Complicated policy details may cause the songwriter's pen to freeze but larger-than-life politicians who polarise opinion enable the ink to flow. It is striking that, despite all the frustration and ferment of the punk era, nobody wrote a memorable song about Jim Callaghan. But to musicians on the left Margaret Thatcher was an irresistible super-villain who threw all the conflicts of the time into sharp relief. Penny Rimbaud of anarcho-punk radicals Crass once told me: "I think Thatcher was an absolute fairy godmother. Christ, you're an anarchist band trying to complain about the workings of capitalist society and you get someone like Thatcher. What a joy!"

Never before had a British prime minister so explicitly identified certain sectors of society as enemies — trade unionists, socialists, liberals — and so diligently set out to crush them. Thatcher's infamous description of Arthur Scargill's miners as "the enemy within" (the Argentinian dictator General Galtieri being the enemy without) spoke volumes about her need for foes and this Manichean outlook cut both ways, as did the strength of her personality. The single word "Thatcher", said with appropriate contempt, handily encapsulated everything the 1980s left opposed.

Even before Thatcher entered Number 10 she was being personally singled out. "Maggi Tatcha on di go wid a racist show," intoned Linton Kwesi Johnson in 1978's It Dread Inna Inglan. Joe Strummer originally wanted to illustrate the Clash's The Cost of Living EP, released on election day 1979, with a collage including Thatcher's face and a swastika. Just a year into office and the Beat were singing Stand Down Margaret ("please," they added politely).

The reason is that bands that hated Thatcherism didn't need time to warm up. Steeled and educated by punk, they were already battle-ready. As Tracey Thorn writes in her memoir Bedsit Disco Queen, "politicisation seemed to be the norm, and would continue to do so well into the 1980s. Even as musical styles changed, and many of the old punk battles were left behind, for those of my age the ideals of the late 1970s remained a driving force." Contrary to the clip-show version of the 1980s, all yuppies, Princess Di haircuts and Duran Duran, it was the heyday of political pop, and the leftwing counterculture in general. They already had the values and now they had the villain.

Musical responses to Thatcher came in three varieties. There were songs that took a hard look at the country, especially during the early 1980s recession and the Falklands war: the aimless dispossessed of Ghost Town, the conflicted dockworker of Shipbuilding, the struggling poor of A Town Called Malice, the despair-poisoned citizens of the The's Heartland. There were the character assassinations: Crass's incandescent Falklands response How Does It Feel to Be the Mother of 1,000 Dead (quoted to the lady herself at Prime Minister's Question Time), the Blow Monkeys' somewhat premature (Celebrate) The Day After You, Morrissey's Margaret on the Guillotine and Elvis Costello's venomous Tramp the Dirt Down.

I could name dozens more but there are hundreds in the third category: whole careers, like that of the Smiths, implicitly underpinned by opposition to Thatcherite values. Look at the long list of people who played benefit gigs for such causes as the miners' strike or Red Wedge and you'll find such seemingly unlikely names as Wham! and Spandau Ballet's Gary Kemp. Asked by Smash Hits to name the last book she read, Tracey Thorn replied The British in Northern Ireland: The Case for Withdrawal. This was just the kind of thing you did in the mid-1980s.

Of course Thatcher lasted longer than anybody expected, but her real victory lay in permanently changing the culture so that by the time she was finally toppled – not by the Beat but by the backbenchers – the deep-seated oppositional values that Thorn described were ebbing out of music. Pulp's The Last Day of the Miners' Strike retrospectively traced the path from resistance ("people marching, people shouting") to escapism ("socialism gave way to socialising"). The fight went on too long; people got tired and craved release; only a few, like Billy Bragg, had the stamina to continue.

Thatcher remains a potent bogeyman for some. Hefner released The Day That Thatcher Dies, which is surely on heavy rotation today. Frank Turner, despite sharing the Iron Lady's admiration for Hayekian economics, wrote Thatcher Fucked the Kids in 2006. Just the other month Primal Scream's single 2013 condemned "Thatcher's children".

But the circumstances that created that third category of musical protest, broad as well as deep, have gone. Thatcher's ascendance galvanised a generation of dissenters, but her long-term impact on British culture ensured that, despite some notable exceptions, their ranks were never really replenished.

also,

"Margaret Thatcher: The politician British pop music loved to hate" (Los Angeles Times)
The English Beat's "Stand Down Margaret"; Heaven 17's "(We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang"; Klaus Nomi's "Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead"; The Specials' "Ghost Town"; The Varukers' "Thatcher's Fortress"; the Larks' "Maggie Maggie Maggie (Out Out Out)"; Morrissey's "Margaret on the Guillotine"; and Elvis Costello's "Tramp the Dirt Down."


~ Becky in Long Beach


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:06 PM

Margaret Thatcher : My Part in Her Downfall by Robb Johnson. A 4 CD set!


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:29 PM

"Coal not Dole" doesn't mention her by name but doesn't need to - one of THE great songs of the last 75 years. If the TUC had come out for the miners and supported a General Strike in 84 her evil crew would have been brought down and this country would be very different.
Never forget.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 05:59 PM

It is a shame so few of the above contributors, many of whom were neither born nor infants in the '80s, should show such little respect or common decency that they should not offer condolence to the relatives. Still, I suppose that "thought for oneself and all others go hang" is typical of the current approach today, promoted by Blair and his views on education.
RIP Mrs. Thatcher and my condolences to Mark and Carol.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:02 AM

Mike Waterson's "A Working Chap (What a Crime)" would not be out of place here.
(Posted by one who was born and lived through her vapid regeim and was out of work twice during the eighties)


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:10 AM

Condolences to relatives, certainly.

Celebrating her demise, not happy with that.

But refraining from expressing a contrary opinion in the face of her glorification by some of the Tory press, you're joking.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BALLAD OF THE M4 CONVOY (Mick Tems)
From: GUEST,Mick Tems, cookieless
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:08 AM

I was working as a journalist during the year-long Miners' Strike, when colliery workers took on Thatcher in defiant protest at the blatant destruction of the pits. I was late for work one day; police had closed the entire M4 motorway between Port Talbot and Llanwern to outflank the pickets, who were preventing coke being delivered to the South Wales steel industry. As I pulled onto the M4, police flagged me down and forced me to stop. I had an amazing grandstand view as lorry after lorry thundered past me, all laden with coke. I tried to count them, but there were too many - 150? Thatcher's government had even taken on old mothballed lorries destined for the scrapyard. The heavy police presence was startling. I realised that Thatcher was waging war not only against the miners, but the whole Welsh nation. I wrote a song, and called it...


THE BALLAD OF THE M4 CONVOY

CHORUS: Stand up for Law and for Order,
Stand up for our bold Mrs T,
If it wasn't for us brave lorry drivers
Then where would this fine country be?

Well, I'm glad that I voted for Maggie, it's been so hard on us businessmen,
But with enterprise for our watchword it's all getting better again.
For my lorries are all out of mothballs, and the cobwebs swept under our feet,
And we're rolling away from Port Talbot with the sarge in the shotgun seat.

The wheels of our lorries are turning, and the wheels of industry, too,
There isn't much tread, and these old tyres could shred, but what can a poor driver do?
I wish I could stop for a kip now, we've been going for sixteen hours straight,
If the tachograph weren't disconnected I'd be putting my head on a plate.

Well, it's tough when you're earning your living to keep everything just as you should;
The steering could with replacing, and the horn and the lights ain't too good.
The brakes are a wee bit uneven, and these chassis do tend to corrode;
But we're fifteen tons over the limit, so that holds us down on the road.

It's a grind up the hills around Newport, so we use all three lanes as we crawl,
But it's eighty at least down to Coldra, so get out of the way, one and all.
With the money I get from this contract, I could pay off the lorry's road tax;
And this driving means plenty of practice for when I get my license back.

There's a Range Rover packed full of coppers in front of the very first truck;
There's a police car or two right behind us, and a few in the middle for luck.
They don't mind if we don't all act legal, if we did then we'd never roll in –
But if a miner should dare wave a banner – well it's law and it's order for him!

CHORUS: Stand up for Law and for Order,
Stand up for our bold Mrs T,
If it wasn't for us brave lorry drivers
Then where would this fine country be?


© Mick Tems, 1984


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,folkiedave
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 09:50 AM

I shall be playing Chris Woods and "The Grand Correction" on my radio show Friday.

"Let the Grand Correction commence".


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: PHJim
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:13 PM

Billy Bragg's Thatcherites


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,cobra
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 09:12 AM

Bonecruncher said:-

"It is a shame so few of the above contributors, many of whom were neither born nor infants in the '80s, should show such little respect or common decency that they should not offer condolence to the relatives. Still, I suppose that "thought for oneself and all others go hang" is typical of the current approach today, promoted by Blair and his views on education.
RIP Mrs. Thatcher and my condolences to Mark and Carol."

1. What relevance whether or not people were born in the 80s or no? Are you old enough to remember WW2? Regardless, I bet you have strong opinions on the participants whether picked up from family, schoolbooks, newspapers or whatever. History is passed from generation to generation. Hell, on this site above all others, so much of what is posted/ songs recounted etc is waaay beyond the lifespan of anyone on here.

2. As for "thought for oneself and all others go hang" and you citing it as something (invented and) promoted by Blair, words fail me! Wasn't it Thatcher who originally said there is no such thing as society - in other words, bugger everyone else.

3. As for respect for Thatcher in death. Why, pray tell, should she receive respect in death when she manifestly had none for the people whose lives she ruined in life? People whose livelihoods and communities she wilfully destroyed, people who experienced the suicides of loved ones because of her barbarour ideological cruelty. Families of the 300 killed when she sunk the Belgrano even though it was sailing away from the war zone. Criminal action, nothing more, nothing less.

And as for her offspring. Her idiot son couldn't find his own arse with his two hands never mind find his way across the Sahara.

One thing bugs me. What exactly did he do to merit a knighthood, other that avail of mummy's contacts to sell arms. Then there is his little adventure in southern Africa. Sure enough, the apple does not fall far from the tree.

I applaud all the songs cited on this thread. May the bitch rot in hell.

Yours aye, speaking as one old enough to have lived through her disastrous spell in charge and to have suffered on a personal level as a direct consequence of her evil and divisive policies and actions.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: cooperman
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 09:45 AM

Well said Cobra!
Cameron says she saved the country - I think she ruined it.
She divided the nation and it's still divided.
Not a good legacy in my view.


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 04:17 PM

Mark didn't do anything to merit his title, he didn't even have to trouble himself to do anything apart from survive his father. Margaret Thatcher's husband, Denis was given a peerage in 199- and became Baron Thatcher of Scotney. Unlike almost all created peers these days, he was given a life peerage but a hereditary one (the only non-member of the royal family to get one in ages). Mark simply inherited the peerage when his father died - hence 'Sir' Mark Thatcher.

Mrs Thatcher was also given a life peerage in her own right in 1992.

I leave you to guess the kind of titles attached to members of the Thatcher family in South Yorkshire, but it's not 'sir' or 'lady'.

Georgina


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 04:24 PM

"Unlike almost all created peers these days, he was NOT given a life peerage but a hereditary one!

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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Bert
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 04:51 PM

You've got your dead skunk in the middle of the road....


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Jane of 'ull
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 05:12 PM

When we did Singing Together in junior school in the 80s, one of the songs they taught us was 'La Cucaracha'. But we made up our own version, which went thus:

Kill Maggie Thatcher, kill Maggie Thatcher,
Whirling round and round she'll go,
Kill Maggie Thatcher, kill Maggie Thatcher,
Bury her in Mexico!


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 05:34 PM

I really enjoyed this thread. Thanks everyone!


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Subject: RE: Songs About Thatcher
From: Betsy
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 08:37 PM

I sang this a few times locally, either a duff song, or too many Tories in the audience. Ahem!!

I wrote it on the back of John Major victory 1992 – I couldn't believe it.
You know I wouldn't doubt the intellect of any of you, but understanding the songwriters muse may not be immediately apparent.

1st Verse ……..Negative Equity

2nd Verse ……Care in the community (and "strange" people being "let out" to fend for themselves)

3rd Verse……..Self explanatory

With thanks to Dave Allen's departing phrase – remember it?

THATCHER said it clearly, she said it to you and me, there are men, there are women, there are families, but no such thing as "Society".

Come all you friends and lovers, holding hands tonight,
May your god go with you, keep you safe and tight.
Come all you friends and lovers, trying to weather a storm,
May your god sail with you, and help your seas run calm.

Come all you friends and dreamers, making the wildest plans,
May your god go with you, give you a guiding hand.
Come all you friends and dreamers, excitement on each face,
May your god go with you, and help you find your place.

Come all you cold and homeless, out on the street tonight,
May your god go with you, strengthen your awful fight.
Come all you cold and homeless, who never did any harm,
May your god sleep with you, and keep you safe and warm.

Cheers
Betsy


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