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New singing session in Dublin

GUEST,False Lankum 04 May 13 - 08:27 AM
Jim Carroll 04 May 13 - 02:48 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 04 May 13 - 02:58 PM
Jim Carroll 04 May 13 - 03:27 PM
MartinRyan 04 May 13 - 09:09 PM
Fergie 04 May 13 - 09:16 PM
Joe Offer 05 May 13 - 03:50 AM
zozimus 05 May 13 - 03:59 AM
Jim Carroll 05 May 13 - 04:00 AM
Dave Hanson 05 May 13 - 04:29 AM
MartinRyan 05 May 13 - 05:40 AM
Jim Carroll 05 May 13 - 08:12 AM
Dave Hanson 05 May 13 - 02:10 PM
GUEST 05 May 13 - 03:18 PM
Jim Carroll 06 May 13 - 03:03 AM
Joe Offer 06 May 13 - 03:18 AM
thetwangman 06 May 13 - 04:07 PM
MartinRyan 06 May 13 - 06:12 PM
GUEST,False Lankum 28 May 13 - 08:56 AM
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Subject: New 'youngsters' singing session in Dublin
From: GUEST,False Lankum
Date: 04 May 13 - 08:27 AM

'The night before Larry got stretched' is a recently formed monthly singing session in Dublin. Although there is an an emphasis on younger singers, we do let old people in. Our next session is tomorrow, Sunday the 5th of May, featuring Róisín Ní Ghallóglaigh as a guest. The session runs from 9 o'clock in the Cobblestone, Smithfield Square, Dublin 7, and there is a suggested donation of €3. All singers and listeners welcome. Hope to see some of you there.


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 May 13 - 02:48 PM

"...we do let old people in"
Oh good - that's a relief!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 04 May 13 - 02:58 PM

It's true Jim

And they were very kind and let me sit down as well as allowing me to sing!

It was great to see so many young people singing proper songs properly.

Hope to see you all again soon.


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 May 13 - 03:27 PM

"It's true Jim"
Delighted to hear it Malcolm - I was left with the impression that I might just find myself somewhere where I was tolerated rather than made welcome.
Would seriously suggest that the OP seriously considers re-wording his/her announcement.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: MartinRyan
Date: 04 May 13 - 09:09 PM

I was left with the impression that I might just find myself somewhere where I was tolerated rather than made welcome.

In fairness, Jim, the reverse is often the case in singing circles - youngsters feeling tolerated, at best, by their "elders and betters"! ;>)>

Regards

p.s. In a way, of course it's a case of "An rud is annamh is ionntach"" - "What's rare is wonderful"!


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Fergie
Date: 04 May 13 - 09:16 PM

Hi Jim,

False Lankum is a fine singer and piper from Dublin. He is one of the organisers of the monthly traditional singing session known as 'The Night Before Larry got Stretched'. You can rest assured that he and his associates are very welcoming and respectful of those who have carried the tradition. Luke Cheevers was guest at the previous session and he was given a great reception and treated with the utmost respect. With singers like False Linkum around we can rest assured that the Irish song tradition will survive and prosper.

Fergus


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 May 13 - 03:50 AM

So, is it always on the first Sunday of the month, False Lankum?

Do you allow aging American tourists???

-Joe in California-


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: zozimus
Date: 05 May 13 - 03:59 AM

Hi Joe,
Are you coming back for more? I missed you the Last time. Last month, with the great Luke Cheever as guest, you could could hear such youngsters as Niamh Parsons and Francy Devine singing. It's a great session and not to be missed and you'd be more than welcome.


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 13 - 04:00 AM

Sorry folks - I really had no intention of ruffling feathers here, but I was not entirely happy about the wording of the announcement and I don't think it does them any favours.
I am delighted when another singing venue appears and I wish them all the very best, but building into it what appears to me to be an age difference from day one seems not the right way to go about it - maybe I'm beginning to get knouty in my old age!
"youngsters feeling tolerated, at best,"
Don't get me started about 'singing circles', but as far as traditional venues are concerned, the opposite is the case in my experience. Youngsters are overwhelmingly welcomed (sometimes to the point of patronisation), rightfully so; the traditional song scene desperately needs the shot in the arm that its music counterpart has had from the large influx of young people taking up the instrumental side of things.
Anyway - I apologise if I have upset anybody and got it wrong - now where did I put my reading glasses?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 May 13 - 04:29 AM

Seems like a strange sort of session to me, where there is a guest, and a suggestion you pay to get in.

I've played at hundreds of session here in England, they are all free, sometimes a complimentary pint at some of them, there are no ' guests, ' everyone is made welcome, anyone can sing and play anything they like.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: MartinRyan
Date: 05 May 13 - 05:40 AM

Dave H

In Ireland, singing sessions are generally more structured than instrumental sessions - they resemble what in UK and America are usually termed "singarounds" or such. Some, though not all, operate a policy of inviting guests in order to vary the song-diet. Any cash collected is used to pay guests travelling expenses, more or less.

Mixed tune/song sessions do of course exist but the dynamic is different.

Regards


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 13 - 08:12 AM

"Seems like a strange sort of session to me"
What Martin wrote sums it up for me, that's how most organised singing sessions work here.
As well as the outlay he mentioned, sometimes a rent for the use of a room needs to be found - works fine.
It should also be remembered that clubs like Fergies embark on other projects, in the Goilin's case, the Frank Harte weekend. We have very much to be grateful to them for, for their work on our 'Around The Hills of Clare' CDs which, without their help.....
Personally I prefer the sessions where the unnoticed light touch on the steering wheel is evident (or not evident preferably); much different from the UK where 'anything goes' now seems the order of the day.
Ireland doesn't have a long history of 'Folk Clubs' but the format here works fine (mostly).
I am quite often disappointed by mixed music/song sessions as, with the best will in the world, while virtually all the singers I know love the music, many musicians resent songs as an intrusion, or at best, look upon them as a chance for a chat.
I am delighted that the OP here is both a singer and a piper - might get a chance to hear him as the latter on Tuesday at the Cobblestones maybe.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 May 13 - 02:10 PM

Jim, in England that sort of thing only happens in ' Irish ' sessions, dominated by fiddlers playing 20 minute tune sets, [ mostly reels ] they resent singers with a vengeance.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 13 - 03:18 PM

Hi all,

Just to clear up a few points – the session was originally intended as a focal point for 'younger' singers' who wouldn't regularly attend singing sessions. They have all been well attended by a great mix of singers from various backgrounds and age groups, and in this regard calling it a 'session for young singers' has become quite redundant, and tbh is probably something that we will move away from. Apologies for any offence caused Jim, many singers often joke about the 'younger singers' thing, asking if they will need to produce a birth cert at the door etc. - the point about old singers was merely a bad attempt at some light humour on my part, and I do take your point about maintaining such false distinctions and the divisions they may cause….As Fergus has pointed out we all have great admiration and respect for those who have carried the tradition down to our generation. Indeed, respect and an attentive ear can be guaranteed to any singer who comes to join us. Joe Offer – we do meet on the first Sunday of every month and you would be more than welcome to join us. Right, I'd better get down there and get set up!

Ian


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 13 - 03:03 AM

"Jim, in England that sort of thing only happens in 'Irish' sessions"
Bow to your experience on that one Dave - the Irish scene I experienced was a very different one up to the point I left London 15 years ago - the old crowd either died off or 'came home'. I was in Camden Town last week and I couldn't even recognise the names of the pubs there. Didn't manage to get to Fulham, but I have little doubt that I would have been equally out of my depth there - hope somebody tells me I'm wrong.
"20 minute tune sets"
Must take a walk up to Bobby Casey's grave (it's 20 minutes walk from here) and see if it's been disturbed - he must be spinning in it!
Ian.
No offence taken; on the contrary - it's me who knee-jerked.
I am delighted at the fact that we have another singing venue and that it is concentrating on younger singers; we really have a bit of running to do to catch up with the music crowd who (certainly here in the West) seem to have guaranteed that the music will survive for another couple of generations.
Good luck.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 May 13 - 03:18 AM

I'll be back. I had such a wonderful time in Dublin when I was there in May, and the people were so nice....even if I did get lost on my way to the Goilin. I made it (in the rain) to the right fricking building but the wrong fricking room. Heard a nice concert of Palestinian music, though - I thought it was another case of the Goilin branching out into new ventures.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: thetwangman
Date: 06 May 13 - 04:07 PM

I attended this session last night and I can confirm that all in attendance were just as hairy-arsed as Ronnie Drew was in his heyday.


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: MartinRyan
Date: 06 May 13 - 06:12 PM

No change, then! ;>)>

Regards


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Subject: RE: New singing session in Dublin
From: GUEST,False Lankum
Date: 28 May 13 - 08:56 AM

The next installment of The night before Larry got stretched singing session takes place this Sunday, the second of June. This month's guest is Tipperary native Dick Hogan. Hope to see some of you there!


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