BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 10 Sep 14 - 05:41 PM

Now we know....Abed a-Rahman Ghaminat, deported to the Strip under the Gilad Shalit deal, coordinated the attack with a top Hamas official in Turkey.

Hamas higher-up in Gaza pulled trigger on teens' abduction

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 01:06 PM

Hamas and Iran are saying that if and when Israel pulls back to the pre-1967 lines, they, together with other Palestinians, would bring weapons into the West Bank to achieve their goal of eliminating the "Zionist entity."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 14 - 12:45 PM

Mahmoud Abbas says Hamas' behaviour threatens Palestinian unity.
He blames them for the destruction in Gaza.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 05:32 PM

Whose "truth", Boo- yours?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 05:28 PM

Embrace the truth Greg.....it will set you free.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 05:24 PM

You bet, Boo- its a real love-fest there. Unless, of course, you're a Palestinian.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 04:00 PM

An English Asian Muslim, Kasim Hafeez, was brought up, like many Muslims, to hate Jews and Israel. But when he went to Israel he saw Muslims, Arabs, Christians, Jews, atheists and others live in peace in Israel and not the LIE that they hear in some mosques. He found out by visiting Israel that Israel is NOT a terrorist apartheid state which is the big media lie.

Kasim Hafeez discovered that Israel is a free democratic society that is constantly under attacks and false claims.

Muslim discovers that Israel is not evil. Shocked to find out Israel is a great country and free

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 12:18 PM

If you only ever report Israel's screw ups it is bias.


Sorry, FKWT, if you'd bothered to listen to the clip BullShot referenced,you'd know that Mr. Friedman claimed no such thing.

Now, if you want a REAL "disproportionate focus" check any of the militant Zionist websites/media outlets/publications.

As well as your own postings here as well as those of the Bullshot & Boo Show.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 11:48 AM

"Sorry, Boo, but one doesn't have to be "biased against Israel" to report its screw-ups and atrocities."

If you only ever report Israel's screw ups it is bias.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 10:10 AM

Sorry, Boo, but one doesn't have to be "biased against Israel" to report its screw-ups and atrocities.

In addition, a "bias against Israel" doesn't negate the atrocities it has committed.

Nice try, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 09:35 AM

CNN has posted a video by Matti Friedman which examines the issue of whether there was a disproportionate focus on Israel during Operation Protective Edge.

The media coverage of Israel as compared to the rest of the world is grossly disproportionate, considering the small size of the country versus the large Arab presence that surrounds it. Unfortunately, as this video indicates, this has caused a significant media bias against Israel.

CNN has taken the time to review the coverage of Operation Protective Edge. The big issue that CNN reporter Matti Friedman addresses is the strong media bias against Israel.

Matti Friedman on Media Bias Against Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 09:32 AM

ACTUALLY FINDING OUT the truth

Surely you mean YOUR "truth" - i.e. the "truth" according to BullShot.


(NB: Elves: Whatever happened to the "One Screen Rule" for Cut-N-Paste???)

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 12:55 PM

Hardly.

But the idea of ACTUALLY FINDING OUT the truth seems to be beyond your comprehension.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 12:12 PM

Your ANONYMOUS source, you mean ----

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 12:02 PM

Sorry, Greggie boy, MY source is reality.

Since you have no knowledge of it, you are still confused I see.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 11:57 AM

You have never accepted any source that you did not agree with, so why bother?

As I thouight, BullShot. Just more of your made-up horseshit. Thanks for the confirmation.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 11:36 AM

https://screen.yahoo.com/israel-shows-evidence-rocket-fire-083335901.html

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 10:15 AM

You have never accepted any source that you did not agree with, so why bother?

You can choose to believe whatever you want, but you fail to persuade anyone that you have any grasp of reality when you ask for sources from others AND FAIL TO PROVIDE ANY SOURCES OR FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR OWN VIEWPOINT.


Crawl back under your rock, Greggie boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 10:11 AM

Source, Bullshot? Or just more of your made-up horseshit?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 08:36 AM

Useful to Hamas.

"A community of armchair pundits around the world will disingenuously preach restraint and proportional response. To borrow a Soviet term, these pundits, along with many news anchors, correspondents and social media opinion-makers are Hamas's "useful idiots." They may believe they are serving the Palestinian cause, but they are really serving Hamas's vicious agenda, dealing savage blows to the Palestinian future. By blaming Israel in this crisis, Hamas's useful idiots help to force suicidal radicalism on the Palestinian people, at the expense of responsible leadership.

They are complicit in the ongoing tragedy that is, but need not be, Palestine."

Hamas's useful idiots

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 07:43 AM

I really like Greggie boy's new signature line. It fits him so well…


He has proven many times he is an idiot, now he even signs himself as one.


But the question remains, is he "Useful"?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 09:53 PM

Gaza is occupied and ruled by the Islamofascist occupiers

Idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:46 PM

"(Psst: Boo- they don't HAVE self rule, but a colonial occupation)"

You are right there Greg, Gaza is occupied and ruled by the Islamofascist occupiers Hamas.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:42 PM

P.S. - try reading what Mr. Lyons & the people he quotes have to say - the whole article now.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:41 PM

(Psst: Boo- they don't HAVE self rule, but a colonial occupation)

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:30 PM

If Gaza is an indicator of the consequences of giving self rule to the Palestinians anyone would be a fool to wish the same for the "West Bank".

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:10 PM

Merciless slaughter in Gaza appalls (Excerpt)
BY GENE LYONS

What's less understood in this country is that Israel has zealots of its own: militant nationalists on Prime Minister Netanyahu's extreme right who believe that the territories he calls "Judea and Samaria" (and the rest of the world calls the West Bank) belong to Jews by divine dispensation, and that the indigenous Palestinians have no rights.

It's to that faction that Netanyahu is speaking when he says, in Hebrew more plainly than in English, "that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the river Jordan."

"That sentence, quite simply," comments David Horowitz in The Times of Israel, "spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state."

In short, not only no peace now, but no peace as long as Netanyahu can prevent it. He may not be so blunt on "Meet the Press," but that's what he's telling his supporters. Israel, after all, has overwhelming military superiority. Why should it risk anything at all for the illusion — as he sees it — of peace?

The New York Times' brilliant columnist Roger Cohen, a South African Jew resident in Europe, has an answer.

A lifelong Zionist, Cohen writes that what he "cannot accept, however, is the perversion of Zionism that has seen the inexorable growth of a Messianic Israeli nationalism claiming all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River; that has, for almost a half-century now, produced the systematic oppression of another people in the West Bank; that has led to the steady expansion of Israeli settlements on the very West Bank land of any Palestinian state; that isolates moderate Palestinians . . . in the name of divide-and-rule; that pursues policies that will make it impossible to remain a Jewish and democratic state; that seeks tactical advantage rather than the strategic breakthrough of a two-state peace; that blockades Gaza with 1.8 million people locked in its prison and is then surprised by the periodic eruptions of the inmates; and that responds disproportionately to attack in a way that kills hundreds of children."
**

Rest of article Click Here

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 03:36 PM

The Algemeiner on September 2, 2014 published an article exposing three " heathcare workers " killed in an Israeli missile strike as Islamic Jihad operatives. The Algemeiner piece reproduces the original report from the Palestinian Center for Human Rights [PCHR], one of the better known non-governmental "human rights" groups in Gaza that western news media occasionally cite. PCHR's entry on Aug. 2 stated,

    At approximately 15:30 (August 1), Israeli warplanes bombarded an ambulance of the Ministry of Health. As a result, 3 health workers were killed: 'Aatef Saleh al-Zameli, 42, the driver; Yousef Ejmai'an al-Zameli, 33, a nurse; and Yousef Jaber Darabih, 25, a volunteer paramedic.

The Algemeiner published the martyr photographs of the "driver," "nurse" and "volunteer paramedic" proudly posted on the web site of the terrorist group, Islamic Jihad, in their military garb.

3 "Health Workers" Killed in Israeli Strike Exposed as Terrorists

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 02:24 PM

Clueless in Gaza

Click Here

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 07:57 AM

No use hiding behind euphemisms Carroll, we've got your number.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 05:42 AM

Well this "Brit" knows Israel quite well.

Ditto Palestine.

Nobody is against anything. Some of us are capable of seeing crimes against humanity when we see it.

And recognise those idiots who try to give it credibility through their foolishness.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 05:04 AM

"You are an anti-Semitic bigot."
And you are a right-wing Zionist moron who has denigrated and betrayed the people you claim to be defending
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 08:01 PM

"JERUSALEM: The Israeli army has released what it says is a page from a seized Hamas training manual that would appear to support its case that Palestinian militants deliberately use the cover of residential areas for combat operations."

What proportion of the 360sq.km. Gaza Strip, with its now rather less than the previous 1.7 million people, is NOT residential BB?

Almost half of its total area is within the border strip razed to the ground and rendered uninhabitable by the IDF.

When the IDF orders civilians to leave an area, where exactly can they go to be safe?

How many civilians do you lot think Israel is justified in slaughtering in order to kill one militant? 10?.....100?......1000?.....or maybe just keep going till there's none left? After all, they would then feel safe, or would they?

Who's next? Jordan?......Syria?.......another pop at Lebanon?........or (God forbid) Iran?

After all, they have to find employment for their vast stock of US weaponry!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 07:54 PM

And more Boo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 07:01 PM

Trying to understand some of our Brit posters vehement antipathy toward Israel:

"The aggressive criticism in Europe of Israeli policy is neither anti-Semitism, nor is it a natural political reaction of people of conscience and sound morality. It is mainly a platform for people who are a good deal more interested in showing themselves than they are in showing the evils of the occupation."

Why are Brits who know little about Israel so active against it?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 05:45 PM

PA president says conflict with Israel that left thousands dead and much of Gaza destroyed was avoidable.

And guess who he is blaming?

Abbas blames Hamas for prolonged battle with Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 03:13 PM

Crawl back under your rock, Greggie.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 02:53 PM

Can some helpful person re-label this thread to " Bearded Bruce Vociferous Verbal Vomit"?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 01:22 PM

Then YOU have chosen to accept the HAMAS figures, and denied the Israeli ones, although Hamas has a long PROVEN history of making up figures for political purposes, which Israel has not been shown to do.

You are an anti-Semitic bigot.

The blood remains on your hands. Every dead Palestinian child is your responsibility, and you have earned the blame by your own posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 01:13 PM

"THOSE FIGURES ARE FROM HAMAS."
Those figure are either from the press or from human rights observers
The only other ones available are from Israel - totally untrustworthy.
Failing either of those - there are no casualty figures and no other information.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 11:50 AM

EVERY time you claim that the number of Palestinian civilians killed BY ISRAEL is the number Hamas claims YOU are supporting killing Palestinian civilians.

NOT one of them is EVER killed by Hamas rockets, or executed by Hamas, or killed for political purposes by Hamas- EVERY body in Gaza is blamed by YOU AND HAMAS on the Israelis.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 11:44 AM

So, Jimmy the "useful idiot", YOU have NEVER quoted Hamas?

What about all those claims that "xxxx Palestinians have been killed, most of them civilians and children"?

THOSE FIGURES ARE FROM HAMAS.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 11:40 AM

Juicy Brucie
I have never at any time quoted Hamas as evidence, neither has anybody else on this forum
The quote we have all made are usually from the international press or from human rights groups - virtually all of them
I defy you to produce one single quote I have ever made from Hamas - one single one

The fact that you regard all criticism of Israel as either supporting Hamas or Antisemitic is entirely of your own twisted logic - ca't help remembering the hole you got yourself into by claiming Israel sat down at the conference table with terrorists/Palestinians.
You on the other hand, choose your quotes (carefully not linking them) from opinions of extremist right wing Zionists - says all that needs to be saidf on the subject of validity of quotes as far as I'm concerned.
Your running mate, little Booboo, goes even further by choosing his from sites like 'White Supremist' and 'Muslim Watch' - the gutternet.
You continue supporting the ideology that wiped out six million of your people - that appears to be the extent of concern for the Jewish people
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 11:07 AM

Jimmy boy,

EVERY post that you have made has presented the HAMAS viewpoint, or the UN report based on the HAMAS numbers, or the BBC report based on the UN report of the HAMAS numbers.

Are you REALLY so dumb as to think that people do not look at your numbers and CHECK to see who is making those claims???

YOU have been presenting the words of those who place their own civilian in peril to make political points with idiots such as yourself.


YOU have their blood on your hands, NOT the Israelis or those of us telling you what you do not want to accept.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 11:01 AM

"Well, since you continue to present the straight Hamas"
Don't suppose you'd care to back this up with a single shred of evidence - no? - thought not.
Still - you can'tgetr round the fact that it was the extreme right that filled the Auschwitz ovens - bet your ancestors are very proud of you!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 10:38 AM

Well, since you continue to present the straight Hamas , certified terrorist view, I suppose you should know...

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 10:12 AM

Juicy
Presented texts are invariably selected to suit a pre-formed agenda
Both of your (significantly) unlinked cut-'n-pastes are largely merely opinions riddled with such agendas.
They both come from the extremist conservative right, which has been responsible for making Israel the terrorist state it has become - given your own agenda, you were wise not to link them.
You want to present t continue to present the opinions of such people - feel free
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 09:32 AM

Bruce, you should have figured out by now that they attack the source or the poster because they cannot mount a cogent argument against the facts presented. It has become boring...........yawn!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 08:02 AM

"a gaggle of apologists for terrorists need a naive thick count "

I think that you, Jimmy boy, and GregF fill the role quite well.


Care to discuss the FACTS ? I note Hamas has declared victory- because they met their goal of killing enough Palestinian civilians to make Israel look bad to some "useful idiots", I presume.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 07:22 AM

Jimmy,

YOU are attacking the source, rather than telling us what if anything is incorrect. BillD would tell you that this is an "ad hominem" attack, and does NOT advance your case.

Perhaps yu would care to argue FACTS: Tell us why YOU think the presented statements do not reflect reality, if you are capable of reasonable statements.

Come on, you can do it. Tell us why it is better to kill your own civilians than to stop trying to kill other countries civilians.