BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 01:33 PM

...oh, and 500 miles

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 01:29 PM

DF: "Now, watch!! He's going to claim that he's won the debate (??) and that I'm simply giving up. Not so! Why bother beating a dead horse?"


Something in here, that was so very true....(check the last sentence)


"(happens every time their backs are to the wall...as I explained earlier).....(next he'll start with insults and an attempt to discredit every body, except himself)...(and then he'll start in on about himself, and why and how he became 'so wise')...without winning a discussion...(he's into 'winning', more than making sense!)."

...and as I posted earlier(again).."...just hold up the TRUTH, and let the chips fall where they may"

..as far as 'winning'?....The elite ruling class are the ones most concerned about 'winning'...

...but here's a little song that parallels the whole game: The end says it all!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 12:22 PM

Firth: "I have many more answers,..."

I'm sure you do....let's hear some..or even one, that answers my earlier questions/comments.
I'm sure there are other Mudcatters that are interested in our 'exchange'...maybe some have been under the same impression that the corrupted party bosses have filters down through biased spin...let's get to the bottom of it...
I'm NOT from the 'other side'.

GfS

P.S. I'm just composing the soundtrack....

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 01:08 AM

I have many more answers, no excuses, and the only spin around here is your dizzy head.

What I don't have is any more time to waste on the likes of you

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 01:03 AM

Goofball, I have answered any and all of the questions you have manage to state with even a modicum of clarity about nine times over. If you can't understand plain English--or more like, just slam your mind shut to anything and everything I say, I am not going to waste any more of my valuable time trying to educate the uneducable.

Now, watch!! He's going to claim that he's won the debate (??) and that I'm simply giving up. Not so! Why bother beating a dead horse?

I've better, more productive things to do in the Real World.

I leave it to the more intelligent readers of this thread--if, indeed, there are any still here, to make their own judgments.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 11:10 PM

So, you can't answer anything???
Last elections we had Romney running against Obama...both had the same program running for healthcare....and somehow you think this was either liberal or conservative...and nothing else, right?

...but that's another related subject....(that nobody wants either)....

So are you done??..Out of answers, or excuses or spin???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 08:17 PM

Gee, folks! Mudcat has its very own Archie Bunker!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 06:20 PM

Firth: "The New Republic is viewed as highly dubious by many knowledgeable Liberals. The magazine has had its troubles, and continues in its policy of its right hand not knowing what it's left hand is doing."

"...and continues in its policy of its right hand not knowing what it's left hand is doing."

Sounds pretty 'liberal' to me!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 06:18 PM

Firth: "You see, Goofball, during my days as radio station news director and editor, I learned to check and double-check the reliability of information sources. Even the ones that you would automatically assume you could trust."

Well you sure fucked up on the link you posted!
Nonetheless, even a broken clock is right twice a day....


Now, back to your posting of some FACTS, as related to Obamacare, refuting what I posted...and stop talking about yourself..I thought we covered that already!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 05:53 PM

The New Republic is viewed as highly dubious by many knowledgeable Liberals. The magazine has had its troubles, and continues in its policy of its right hand not knowing what it's left hand is doing.

Controversies

Michael Straight

New Republic editor Michael Whitney Straight (1948 to 1956) was later discovered to be a spy for the KGB, recruited into the same network as Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess, Kim Philby, and Anthony Blunt. Straight's espionage activities began at Cambridge during the 1930s; he later claimed that they ceased during World War II. Later, shortly before serving in Kennedy administration, he revealed his past ties and turned in fellow spy Anthony Blunt. In return for his cooperation, his own involvement was kept secret and he continued to serve in various capacities for the US Government until he retired. Straight admitted to his involvement in his memoirs; however, subsequent documents obtained from the former KGB after the fall of the Soviet Union indicated that he drastically understated the extent of his espionage activities.

Ruth Shalit plagiarism

In 1995, writer Ruth Shalit was fired for repeated incidents of plagiarism and an excess of factual errors in her articles.

Stephen Glass scandal

In 1998, features writer Stephen Glass was revealed in a Forbes Digital investigation to have fabricated a story called "Hack Heaven". A TNR investigation found that most of Glass' stories had used or been based on fabricated information. The story of Glass's fall and TNR editor Chuck Lane's handling of the scandal was dramatized in a 2003 film "Shattered Glass," based on a 1998 article in Vanity Fair.

Lee Siegel

In 2006, long-time contributor, critic, and senior editor Lee Siegel, who had maintained a blog on the TNR site dedicated primarily to art and culture, was revealed by an investigation to have collaborated in posting comments to his own blog under an alias aggressively praising Siegel, attacking his critics and claiming not to be Lee Siegel when challenged by an anonymous detractor on his blog. The blog was removed from the website and Siegel was suspended from writing for the print magazine. He resumed writing for TNR in April 2007. Siegel was also controversial for his coinage "blogofascists" which he applied to "the entire political blogosphere", though with an emphasis on left wing or center-left bloggers such as Daily Kos and Atrios.

Spencer Ackerman

In 2006, associate editor Spencer Ackerman was fired by Foer. Describing it as a "painful" decision, Foer attributed the firing to Ackerman's "insubordination": disparaging the magazine on his personal blog,[42] saying that he would "skullfuck" a terrorist's corpse at an editorial meeting if that was required to "establish his anti-terrorist bona fides" and sending Foer an e-mail where he said—in what according to Ackerman was intended to be a joke—he would "make a niche in your skull" with a baseball bat. Ackerman, by contrast, argued that the dismissal was due to "irreconcilable ideological differences." He believed that his leftward drift as a result of the Iraq War and the actions of the Bush administration was not appreciated by the senior editorial staff. Within 24 hours of being fired by The New Republic, Ackerman was hired as a senior correspondent for a rival magazine, The American Prospect.

Scott Thomas Beauchamp controversy

In July 2007, after The New Republic published an article by an American soldier in Iraq titled "Shock Troops," allegations of inadequate fact-checking were leveled against the magazine. Critics alleged that the piece contained inconsistent details indicative of fabrication. The identity of the anonymous soldier, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, was revealed. Beauchamp was married to Elspeth Reeve, one of the magazine's three fact-checkers. As a result of the controversy, the New Republic and the United States Army launched investigations, reaching different conclusions.

As of December 1, 2007, an article titled "The Fog of War" and bearing the byline of Franklin Foer, postdate December 10, 2007, has been available for professional critique. In the article, Foer writes that the magazine can no longer stand behind the stories written by Beauchamp.

You see, Goofball, during my days as radio station news director and editor, I learned to check and double-check the reliability of information sources. Even the ones that you would automatically assume you could trust.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 04:37 PM

Can you prove ANYTHING????..or just spout off more dumb opinions???

You want 'interesting' reading...from a 'Progressive' site???

At lest it's an educated opinion!
Check it out!

GfS

P.S....let's not get off on 'opinions'..but I thought this may be of interest to YOU....might even cause you to think...(for once).

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 04:16 PM

No, NOT before! The carping started when the Affordable Care Act was in the early planning stages and has gotten louder ever since. The bitching is done by those who will have to start dealing honestly with their clients, and, of course, by the usual suspects who, if Obama could end all death and disease in the world, would caterwaul that Obama is attacking the funeral industry and trying to deprive the medical profession of any business at all. And those who hate Obama for—reasons of their own.

As far as health insurance companies are concerned, the Affordable Care Act is separating the sheep from the goats. The only people having to change their insurance are those whose health insurance policies do not provide adequate coverage. Oftentimes people with these policies do not realize what their policy does NOT cover until they NEED those particular services.

Opponents of the ACA are claiming that it is a sop to the health insurance companies. But what it's actually doing is notifying their clients of the inadequacies of their policies and putting insurance companies on notice that if they want to be part of the program, they're going to have to get their act together.

That is a GOOD thing.

The roll-out of the New Deal faced similar flak from the Republicans, the bankers, and others profited from the status quo and who hated FDR—including people like Goofball, who doesn't know his ass from his elbow. It put the brakes on their screwing the populace at large. A few wrinkles had to be ironed out—and, of course it's opponents jumped on every wrinkle and tried to claim that it was The End of the World (just like they're doing with the Affordable Care Act), but once it got under way, was the beginning of the end for the Great Depression. Suddenly, the bankers and the money brokers, who were responsible for bringing about the Great Depression in the first place were required—by LAW—to behave themselves.

In the same way that health insurance companies will have to stop ripping people off!

Closet Right-Wingers like Goofy (he keeps a lot of things in his closet that he doesn't want to admit to himself) keep flying in tighter and tighter circles until he'll soon fly up his own ass.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 13 - 03:18 PM

Hey! This should be fun!!!

Firth: "Most interesting!!
Several most interesting FACTS within the article."

Upon a closer look at the article posted by 'Our Resident Self Appointed Expert' he posted an op-ed dated, 'Oct. 2, 2013'...which means that is written the day before Oct.1, or possibly Oct. 2.
Initial roll-out day was Oct.1!!!!

Look for yourselves...

"Business Insider More: Obamacare Republicans
Republicans Hate Obamacare Because They're Afraid People Will Like It
Henry Blodget
Oct. 2, 2013, 7:37 AM 79,148 207"

BEFORE all the troubles came to light, and BEFORE anybody knew about how many people lost their plans...and BEFORE it came to light that the President was lying his ass off to promote this fraud!

The article starts off:

"One of the big mysteries about the government shutdown is why Republicans are so furiously opposed to the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a., Obamacare."

A bigger mystery is why Democrats overlooked common sense to let this bill to be passed without reading it....and then make excuses, as if that was a noble tactic....and now, deny any understanding as to why they are all being voted out of office!

Next sentence"

"Yes, the Act has many problems, not the least of which are its high costs and mind-boggling complexity."

THIS is the ONLY FACT in the op-ed piece!!!!

If you go on further, the author writes: "So why are the Republicans so outraged about Obamacare?
There are different THEORIES."

Theories???????????

After finishing those THEORIES immediately he moves on, with this one: "Outside the Republican Party, there are different theories."

THEORIES??????????

....and continues: "Some say the Republicans just hate anything that Obama likes. Based on the last five years, there's seems to be plenty of evidence to support this THEORY."

...and continues: "Another THEORY, popular last year, is that the Republicans don't like the tax increases that are necessary to pay for Obamacare. But the Republicans don't talk about these taxes (or the deficit) anymore when they air their objections to Obamacare."

..and continues: "Another THEORY is that the Republicans are just "crazy."

....and continues: "So why do the Republicans hate Obamacare?

Eduardo Porter floats an interesting THEORY in the New York Times.
The Republicans hate Obamacare, Porter SUGGESTS, because they're terrified that Americans are going to like it.
and again, continues after the 'poll' taken in MARCH: "So that's certainly one interesting THEORY about why the Republicans hate Obamacare so much — because they're worried that their constituents are actually going to like it."

Sounds like a bunch of half baked unsupported THEORIES, delivered by your Mongoloid twin!

...and a word about, 'Here are figures from Kaiser's March 2013 poll:'
You mean the same Kaiser crony, on the list of insurance companies on the exchange???

Don, if anyone has proven my point, you have!

...besides, if you could have read and had comprehension of what you read, you would have read, in my post,

"Pull one up then....not looking for a lame opinion...just a verifiable fact. Not a 'talking point hope'..a verifiable fact related to this topic."

Instead, you gave us a stupid op-ed, from some Bozo charlatan who didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground...just another talking shill!!

Here's a refresher....and NOT limited to "Why Republicans Hate Obamacare"....(I can't believe you posted that bit of stupidity!)

"The people are voting by NOT 'enrolling'....The people who lost their existing coverage are voting by NOT buying the lies or the Obamacare policies....Medicaid was always available to those who qualified, before their was an Obamacare....and yet the numbers of 'enrollees' are MOSTLY Medicaid.....the younger demographic wants nothing to do with it. The people are more willing to pay a fine and pay for healthcare right out of their pockets than to enroll in it...This is clearly civil disobedience on an unprecedented scale, for this country(maybe except for the illegal drug market).

So Don, just what the fuck are you talking about???
..and this time see if you can NOT divert the thread...but ANSWER the question like a 'normal' person.

You can call me anything you want....IF you CAN'T or WON'T answer the question. there's a few Democrats in Mudcat, that might like to have answers as well.....BECAUSE....(as I posted during the last presidential elections)....the Democrats are about to hand over ALL this ill gotten gain to the Republicans...both Houses and the Presidency to the Republicans....in it's present form!"

So, I repeat, 'So Don, just what the fuck are you talking about???
..and this time see if you can NOT divert the thread...but ANSWER the question like a 'normal' person.'

Want try again?

FACTS!...(if you know what those are)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Elmore
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 07:10 PM

GFS and DF duking it out on boxing day. How appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 07:05 PM

Most interesting!!

Several most interesting FACTS within the article.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 06:27 PM

Pull one up then....not looking for a lame opinion...just a verifiable fact. Not a 'talking point hope'..a verifiable fact related to this topic.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 05:03 PM

Goofball, I have repeatedly posted FACTS and given RELIABLE SOURCES for those facts. Yet, you continue to argue, denying those facts, and keep trying to draw me into protracted responses to your attacks. An obvious attempt to induce me to feed your sick little ego. That's the sure mark of a troll.

If you are not just a common troll, then let me ask you this:

Do you have a pen?

I think you'd better get back into it before the farmer finds you missing.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 03:46 PM

You think I'm bullshitting???...EXPLAIN WHERE!

You think I was wrong about this too????

"From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 06:56 PM

Well we've moved up to the next part: "(next he'll start with insults and an attempt to discredit every body, except himself)..."

jeez, even in order

(happens every time their backs are to the wall...as I explained earlier).....(next he'll start with insults and an attempt to discredit every body, except himself)...(and then he'll start in on about himself, and why and how he became 'so wise')...without winning a discussion...(he's into 'winning', more than making sense!)."

PERFECT!! You've completed the cycle, and start talking about yourself, just as foretold(and my above post was quoting from an earlier post, as well!!)....and frankly, who gives a shit? You think I haven't clocked the way you bullshit???!!??

Address the topic being discussed, and if you can disprove any of what I've said ABOUT OBAMACARE, put it forth. If you can't you owe some apologies...and to more than just me!

Reply, please.............................(or be found out for being an opinionated fraud.)

GfS

P.S...Jeez, I told him before that he and his predictability were getting boring...along with his MIS-information!

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 02:27 PM

Yesterday being Christmas, my wife and I had eleven people over for dinner. During about eight hours of eating until we squeaked, sitting around burpin' and scratchin', exchanging presents, and generally enjoying all-around pleasant conversation, the matter of the Affordable Care Act came up.

Some of the people there said that they didn't have to do a thing, that their insurance was fine as it was.

That was the case with Barbara and me: our health insurance (modest, easily handled premiums) are fine as is.

One couple said they got word that their health insurance did not provide adequate protection, so they followed a couple of suggestions and found better health insurance for a much lower premium.

That, of course, was not a big sample, but, take a look at THIS:

CLICKY.

Suck it up, Goofball!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 01:10 PM

Bullshit!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 03:46 AM

Ooops..I forgot one:

Firth: ""Then, when President Obama tries to improve the system so that everybody has adequate coverage,....(blah blah blah...)"

Adequate?? Not only are people losing their doctors(another lie he told), they are losing specialists treating long term illnesses like cancer and other terminal illness.

"tries to improve the system so that everybody has adequate coverage.."

Then why are charitable hospitals who take in and care for people, and who rely on donations primarily, being taxed and heavily fined?? What BUSINESS is it of anyone who is interested in..."tries to improve the system so that everybody has adequate coverage.."
I thought the idea was to get AFFORDABLE healthcare to everyone and anyone who needed it....why move to close down the 'free' ones??..not only that, some rather GOOD hospitals are NOT going to be taking in Obamacare patients.

Come on, you must have some sociopath lie to tell about that one, too!

Here, read about it yourselves....take your pick of sites! .

Name calling?? Lies?? Diversions??...How about a straight up answer........FOR A CHANGE!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 01:48 AM

THIS IS A CROCK OF SHIT..AND ..I'll TELL YOU WHY!!!


Firth: "Then, when President Obama tries to improve the system so that everybody has adequate coverage, you have a wall-eyed hissy-fit. Why? For no good reason except that it's Obama who's trying to fix it.

I would like to see universal, one payer coverage, but Obama is not so stupid as to think he can get that through a majority Right Wing Congress. I understand what he is trying to do and I also understand why he is doing it that way. It is far from perfect, but it's the best he could hope to get under the circumstances.

And the Right Wing Congress STILL blocks it!

I give Obama full marks for giving it a try."

Starting from the top:
Firth: "Then, when President Obama tries to improve the system so that everybody has adequate coverage, you have a wall-eyed hissy-fit. Why? For no good reason except that it's Obama who's trying to fix it."

Fix it???...How? By lying to the nation about what it was??..and then adding these 'adjustments'??....BTW, if Congress passed it, and signed it, and he signed it in its original form, the Executive Branch cannot change it by fiat, 'executive orders', or by tweaking it at his whim to try to save political face. The bill has to stand, or go through the legislative process.
Also, have you noticed that those further down on the political 'food chain', who were in charge of failed parts of it, who also were caught lying to Congress, in the subsequent hearings, not one has been fired or hardly reprimanded? (Same as Benghazi and other crimes, IRS, Fast and Furious, etc. etc(but that's another bunch of issues).

Firth: "I would like to see universal, one payer coverage, but Obama is not so stupid as to think he can get that through a majority Right Wing Congress. I understand what he is trying to do and I also understand why he is doing it that way. It is far from perfect, but it's the best he could hope to get under the circumstances."

This is PURE horseshit, and a lying talking point from DAY ONE!
Obama got this passed, lobbied for it, gave waivers and other bribes, to get the votes to pass it....it passed through a Democrat House of Representatives, and a Democrat Senate, being as at the time, it was a Democrat majority controlled Congress, BOTH HOUSES!!...and he signed it!! There was NO Republican way, to in ANY way, change it, add to it, subtract from it, or even obstruct it. It was so closed up, that the Senate did not, and could not even see or read the last minute changes, before they voted on it. I hope everyone remembers Herr Pelosi's now famous, pre-vote speech, about "Let's pass this bill, so we can see what's in it.."
Oh, speaking of 'closed up'..remember candidate Obama promising transparency????? Remember him promising all negotiations for bills would be put up on C-SPAN??..open to all the public???..more horseshit!

Firth: "And the Right Wing Congress STILL blocks it!"

Blocks what??? It is already the law....he's the one changing it,(illegally) about weekly.

Firth: "I understand what he is trying to do and I also understand why he is doing it that way."

Well why don't you in your 'infinite wisdom', explain it all PLAINLY!
And while you're at it, explain that WHY if he had the political muscle of both Houses, in the beginning, why he didn't pass it the way you say he wanted it...when he KNEW damn well there was not enough opposition to it to oppose, block, alter or obstruct it in ANY WAY!
BTW, both the Democrats lost a lot of seats in Both Houses in the following elections due to it...AND...a lot of Democrats who voted Democrat in the prior elections, voted AGAINST their own party because of it....and now this year they are expecting to be slaughtered in the next election...because of Obamacare. Democrat polls plunging...Obama approval rating lower than Bush's, at the same time into their last term...

Now so much for the bullshit politics of it.....
Why doesn't Firth explain what the Obama Administration REALLY want...and who does he want it for???

EVERYTHING that I replied to, is all truthful and EASILY provable!!
Some of you should be easily able to remember the history as it unfolded....so what is this continuation of lies for???

The people are voting by NOT 'enrolling'....The people who lost their existing coverage are voting by NOT buying the lies or the Obamacare policies....Medicaid was always available to those who qualified, before their was an Obamacare....and yet the numbers of 'enrollees' are MOSTLY Medicaid.....the younger demographic wants nothing to do with it. The people are more willing to pay a fine and pay for healthcare right out of their pockets than to enroll in it...This is clearly civil disobedience on an unprecedented scale, for this country(maybe except for the illegal drug market).

So Don, just what the fuck are you talking about???
..and this time see if you can NOT divert the thread...but ANSWER the question like a 'normal' person.

You can call me anything you want....IF you CAN'T or WON'T answer the question. there's a few Democrats in Mudcat, that might like to have answers as well.....BECAUSE....(as I posted during the last presidential elections)....the Democrats are about to hand over ALL this ill gotten gain to the Republicans...both Houses and the Presidency to the Republicans....in it's present form!
(Gosh, you'd think those insurance corporation lobbyists would have known that, too...from the beginning??)..awww..they wouldn't care..they'd just buy the Republicans, too....it wouldn't be the first time!

OK, Firth..explain....save the name calling...it won't be your saving grace!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 09:53 PM

No, I guess you really are that clueless.

First of all, your analysis of the system as it was is inaccurate, largely because you exaggerate everything, trying to make bad enough look even worse. Then, when President Obama tries to improve the system so that everybody has adequate coverage, you have a wall-eyed hissy-fit. Why? For no good reason except that it's Obama who's trying to fix it.

Goofus:   "Then you say you didn't like Obamacare....and then you defend it as being an improvement!!!???!!!"

I didn't say that I don't like the Affordable Care Act. I said that it didn't go far enough. I would like to see universal, one payer coverage, but Obama is not so stupid as to think he can get that through a majority Right Wing Congress. I understand what he is trying to do and I also understand why he is doing it that way. It is far from perfect, but it's the best he could hope to get under the circumstances.

And the Right Wing Congress STILL blocks it!

I give Obama full marks for giving it a try.

I give you a dead slug for not having brains enough to know what's actually going on outside of your own warped imagination!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 07:49 PM

Oh, I got it!..The old system, that you didn't like, was the insurance companies ripping the people off, making it unaffordable for the 'common folk'...so, you're guys have a better idea.....make a law, where everybody gets to be ripped off, BY LAW, the state will levy a fine, on those who can't afford to be ripped off,....the insurance companies raise the premiums, and fatten the deductibles, limit services and doctors, so by the time you pay the deductible, the insurance companies don't have to pay squat, make people pay for stuff they don't want or need, put it up on a faulty unsecured website, promote it with lying to the people....and you can't think of one reason why the majority of people in the country thinks this law sucks...and are NOT 'enrolling'...and not interested in the bullshit.....looking forward to voting every nincompoop out of office who voted for it...AND then, you two compliment each other on how bright you are!!!.........because it is a great diversion from addressing the topic, and an attempt to 'discredit' those who call this to your attention....(Remember this:

"(happens every time their backs are to the wall...as I explained earlier).....(next he'll start with insults and an attempt to discredit every body, except himself)...(and then he'll start in on about himself, and why and how he became 'so wise')...without winning a discussion...(he's into 'winning', more than making sense!)."

(just as I predicted)...

Then you say you didn't like Obamacare....and then you defend it as being an improvement!!!???!!!

Sounds like they 'fixed it' REAL good!...
Like two steps forward, and three steps back!

I just thought I'd refresh your memories as to the 'what and whys' of the topic.

Care to share your 'wisdom' ...or are the cupboards pretty bare?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 03:38 PM

". . . stroking each other's other parts!" would be something of particular interest to you, eh, Goofball?

Sorry about Santa's visit last night, Goofy But he knows best. CLICKY.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 02:24 PM

How about you two morons addressing the issue, instead of patting each other on the back...and stroking each other's other parts!

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 01:20 PM

I think he's in his manic phase...

wonder what Santa brought him, probably not his meds...

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 01:16 PM

Actually, an obvious sign that he's lost it is his rolling on the floor laughing hysterically, under the impression that he knows what other people are thinking. He is so self-contradictory that it's obvious that he doesn't even know what HE'S thinking!

If at all!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 01:04 PM

Yup! He's reduced to playing the "Nazi" card.

Sure sign he's lost it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 12:16 PM

Out of the corner of one side of their mouths, they bash corporatism, and out of the corner of the other side they applaud a law forcing people to send their money to their select crony corporations, or face the IRS.......
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
....and then they rail against Fascism!!!!.....ROFLMAO!!!!!!


                  ROFLMAO!!!!!!                                       ROFLMAO!!!!!!                                 ROFLMAO!!!!!!



                               ROFLMAO!!!!!!



ROFLMAO!!!!!!......

...and then they call themselves 'liberals'...ROFLMAO!!!!!!      


       ROFLMAO!!!!!!


                                              ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Try Nazis!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 08:12 AM

Sciencegeek, I get the distinct impression that Goofball is a descendant of Piltdown Man.

LOL :D

good one, Don, on many levels

I wonder if the high heeled sneakers actually reside in his closet, because they sure as heck aren't in mine... lol

sensible foot gear is what's needed out in the field & pasture, as anyone with actual experience would know.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 04:24 AM

Oh...and Merry Christmas!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 03:29 AM

There's only one thing standing in the way of Don's understanding of why people didn't show up to 'enroll' in this wonderfully great 'plan', as he sees it, or face fines for not 'enrolling' and go without 'Healthcare'...maybe he thinks their 'civil disobedience' was just coincidental, or maybe he thinks they were just too busy looking for that overdue library book, or maybe he thinks it's the TEA Party's fault, that they can't see a good thing when they see it.....or maybe he thinks they're watching too much Fox News, or maybe he thinks the President didn't convey how great of a plan this is....or maybe he's beside himself because he knows that all the people aren't as smart as he is, and after all the 'Hope and Change' isn't really 'Bait and Switch'....he just can't figure it out, or can't admit to himself the REAL reason that out of 6 million people who got cancelled, they've had only a total of 2 million sign up...and mostly for Medicaid....this doesn't make sense to him.....Do you think in his private moments it might have occurred to him, the reason he can't figure this out is because

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 09:20 PM

Sciencegeek, I get the distinct impression that Goofball is a descendant of Piltdown Man.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 07:23 PM

You obviously can find your pen....and perhaps you left your high heel sneakers under Don's bed....because you haven't done your survey yet.


BTW,...Freud's conclusions were not as accurate, as the thought of looking inward.

I'd rather subscribe to Dr. Leakey's comment to eager reporter's seeking his speculation about the 'activities' of the people whose skull he found....it went like this....

"In 1969 the discovery of a cranium of Paranthropus boisei caused great excitement. A Homo habilis skull (KNM ER 1470) and a Homo erectus skull (KNM ER 3733), discovered in 1972 and 1975, respectively, were among the most significant finds of Leakey's earlier expeditions. In 1978 an intact cranium of Homo erectus (KNM ER 3883) was discovered.

When he arrived in Britain, the press was excited, and asked him to comment on his find, and tried to get him to speculate, as to what the humans were like. "Were they tool makers??" they asked. "Did they make pottery?" "Were they agricultural?" "What about their social habits?" "Were they a patriarchal or matriarchal society"...so on and so forth.

Dr. Richard Leakey blown away by their questions, answered them as direct, and as sure as he could, with his famous statement..."All I know," as he pointed to a map, "Is I found the bone, here!"

Get it??"

Now go do your survey, and stop spinning...you'll only get dizzier!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 06:16 PM

P.S. SG, Doesn't science show the direction to look, by observing the behavior of the subject?....sometimes your observations lead the observer to form a theory. Now, are you smart enough to formulate?.....or need you get your pad and paper, and fasten up you high heel sneakers?

ROTFLMAO.... I HAVE been observing the behavior of the subject... and if I subscribed to Freudian theory would draw some unflattering conclusions regarding your childhood, etc. However, I do suspect a very angry and unhappy person who never socialized well and resorts to extreme behavior as a way of drawing attention... much like child misbehaves to try and control adults.

You have no understanding of science and even less of me... so your attempts to insult or anger me only come across as pathetic. You are an itch that is quite easy to ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 04:00 PM

OK..I'm The Goofball?????...I got a great idea, for you to do...(Just to see how 'Goofy' I'm am.....start taking a poll of all those who didn't show up, and register, or 'enroll', and ask them why they didn't...and DIDN'T in deafening droves!..Maybe in a 'Democracy', (as in Democrat Party), there are more ways of voting, than at the ballot box...who trusts them anyway??

.....oh, and keep your dumb posts to yourself(and your mirror) until you've got enough reasons, matching the ones, I put down....and then tell us who the goofy one is!

Sincerely, The Other End of Reality,

GfS

P.S. SG, Doesn't science show the direction to look, by observing the behavior of the subject?....sometimes your observations lead the observer to form a theory. Now, are you smart enough to formulate?.....or need you get your pad and paper, and fasten up you high heel sneakers?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 03:24 PM

but Don, what would he ever do with it? It would definitely get in the way of his rants. Better that Santa gets him a paint ball set... take out his anger that way.

BTW... has either the wronger or GS ever indicated just how they have been harmed by the AFC? as in they have to shell out higher premiums or lost their coverage. or do they think that they are champions for their version of justice?   

Well, it really doesn't matter. The law is here and we need to make it better and fairer.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 01:13 PM

Goofball, are you really that clueless!???

The best thing to do would be to enact a single-payer health care plan—like civilized countries have—but if President Obama had put such a plan forward, the insurance companies (with all their lobbying money), the Republican Party, who would by running around frantically, shrieking "Socialism! Socialism!", Congress the way it's constituted right now, and imbeciles like you, who don't know cow pies from shoe polish, would be carping at him exactly like you are doing now!

The ACA is an improvement over the way things were, still not as far as we need to go, but the best that President Obama thought he might be able to get through. But the Philistines are shrieking and spitting anyway!

Ask Santa to bring you a brain for Christmas!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 10:55 AM

Well, OK for the 'snipes'...What I suspect will happen is that Obama will forgive student loans, in trade for them signing up.

You act as if Obamacare is 'God's gift' to the peasants. It's a sham. If they really wanted 'healthcare' they could do it without all this deceptive intrusive nonsense. Say, what if they funded hospitals as they do public schools?...(not that public schools are anything close to a stellar example of efficiency)....You go in, show your ID and get care. I'm NOT against public funded healthcare....but forcing people to buy an inferior product from your cronies, is NOT the path....but it is to needing a reason to 'chip' every one...especially with their fucked up website(which everyone thinks was a just a 'bumbling mistake').
Too bad that the President's credibility is in the toilet....and guess what?..I had NOTHING to do with that!..(Maybe his puppet-masters thought he was expendable for that...as long as they got their way..).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 10:32 AM

Yeah, but they had insane asylums back then!...and with no Medicaid, you were in deep shit!

Yeah?..and after you fuck things up beyond repair...there will still be music.....that's what us sane people do!


well... there it is folks... as fine an example of irrational blithering as any I've seen in quite some time. And consistent with the polling numbers that show the same folks who hate Obamacare are OK with the Affordable Healthcare Act. Give them enough rope and they will macrame themselves quite a nice noose.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 10:10 AM

SG: "LOL... exactly! they would HAVE NO INSURANCE AND NO MEDICAID under the old system. Which is what happened to me as a college student with almost no income and student debt."

Yeah, but they had insane asylums back then!...and with no Medicaid, you were in deep shit!

Firth: "If you think the government needs changing then quit whining here and get your butt out into the real world and DO something!
That's what we "loony Liberals" do."

Yeah?..and after you fuck things up beyond repair...there will still be music.....that's what us sane people do!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 06:07 AM

"It's 'under their parents'....and if they are living at their parents, they probably wouldn't qualify for Medicaid anyway."

LOL... exactly! they would HAVE NO INSURANCE AND NO MEDICAID under the old system. Which is what happened to me as a college student with almost no income and student debt.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 12:32 AM

"Ayn Rand is dead. Get over it!"

No problem here, Goofball. But your Tea Potty buddies—and Paul Ryan, who wants to make a run for the presidency—think she's the great Oracle for the Salvation of Mankind (non-religious sub-chapter).

And your ceaseless attempts to trash the government, and particularly President Obama in his efforts to reform the health care system, sound like something right out of the Ayn Rand Disciple's playbook.

If you think the government needs changing then quit whining here and get your butt out into the real world and DO something!

That's what we "loony Liberals" do.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 12:28 AM

It's 'under their parents'....and if they are living at their parents, they probably wouldn't qualify for Medicaid anyway.

Next we'll hear about 'pre-existing conditions'..another VERY misleading 'promise'. You might not get 'denied' but you might not get treatment, either. The reason is many pre-existing conditions require specialized treatment, and MOST of those doctors and hospitals are NOT taking Obamacare...OH, and did you know that because Obamacare is so concerned with the 'poor and needy' that massive fines and taxes are being levied on private charitable hospitals, (and get this), that cater to the 'poor and needy'!

I just thought I'd spare you some time posting propaganda blather....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 11:58 PM

LOL... the tune never changes, does it...

OK one good thing about the Affordable Health Care Act... young people under 27 can stay on their parent's health insurance, so they DO NOT have to go on Medicaid to get healthcare. You asked, I answered.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 11:47 PM

Firth: "And like Ayn Rand, he seems to object to any attempt to assist people who might be in need of assistance, such with a good health care program.
Civilized countries—and even some relatively primitive countries—have better health care and ways of paying for it than we do."

Hey, fuck Ayn Rand...she grew up in a fucked up Soviet empire, and bitched about it in some books. The 'wonderful Soviet utopia' crumbled, and Ayn Rand is dead...get over it!

As far as Obamacare being the 'saving light' for the 'poor and needy'..that's a crock of 'so-called' phony liberal propaganda bullshit!..and you know why?
Because AT ANY TIME, a person making under a certain amount, ( the amounts vary depending on the state they live in) could walk into a Social Services office and get Medicaid, FOR 'FREE'! They could walk into an emergency room, get help and Medicaid would cover it, if they could not pay it....SO, with that in mind, name ONE great thing about Obamacare......and this time tell the truth for a change!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 06:35 PM

"Enlightened self-interest" would be the way to go, but "rational" was a word Ayn Rand insisted on using. Rational as opposed to emotional. Emotions, such as empathy or sympathy, could lead one to being tempted to try to help someone who has had a run of bad luck with one's own resources. Or worse! Have the government tax your excess wealth and use it to help "parasites and freeloaders" (such as the sick and elderly).

Can't have that sort of thing!! Not in her ideal world.

Yet, she was quite emotional herself. Perpetual smoldering anger seemed to be her default emotion.

=========

American democracy is far from perfect. But it can be fixed.

Goofball is one of those who bellows "a pox on both your houses!" in reference to the two dominant political parties, but he doesn't suggest any solutions beyond "Throw the bums out!!" And like Ayn Rand, he seems to object to any attempt to assist people who might be in need of assistance, such with a good health care program.

Civilized countries—and even some relatively primitive countries—have better health care and ways of paying for it than we do.

Reagan's "Shining City on the Hill?" I don't think so.

Any idiot can see what's wrong with the system and sit around pissing and moaning about it. But it takes a little thought and effort to come up with a way of fixing it.

Too much work?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 04:53 PM

Science Geek asks goofus about his posting style and content:

"As the mind boggles.... so this is some new form of rap?"

Yes, it's called C Rap and is more commonly known as crap.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 03:35 PM

I believe the term really should be "enlightened self-interest" whereby one recognizes that by improving the lot of others, they will benefit as well.



She did seem to embrace the dark side... rationalizing self-interest is closer to the truth... one step away from divine right... for the haves not the have nots.