BS: Your own spy drone

Subject: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 12:56 PM

A chain megastore's flyer advertises a "toy" helicopter, full controls, and a camera that takes both still and video, with SD card and converter, for $99.95.

Come summer, that woman who sunbathes behind privacy screens will be a prime target.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:02 PM

Which megastore, pray tell

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:25 PM

Googling "toy helicopter camera" produces lots of them at around that price.

Alternatively, google "dead cat helicopter". But you'll have to assemble it yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:00 PM

London Drugs, flyer released yesterday. (Canada)

Jack Campin is undoubtedly correct; any store with a chance of selling them will offer them.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:19 PM

I wonder how long it will be before that nubile young lady sunbathing in the buff will bring down her horny neighbor's $100 gadget with a well-aimed blast from a shotgun?

Latest sport:   skeet shooting with drones instead of clay pigeons. Could get a bit pricey.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 03:03 PM

That's where the cat comes in. What nubile young lady would let off a shotgun at a fluffy kitty?

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: olddude
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 03:05 PM

Great for bigfoot hunting you can get them with a FLIR installed also

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: gnu
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:36 PM

Yo Dan! What's the limit on Bigfoots down there? Up here, ya can get one deer a year, one mooze if yer lucky in the mooze draw, 6 partridge a day, and so on. Far as I know, there ain't no limit on yer Sasquatches.

Got any good recipes?... that do NOT include Jell-O, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:57 PM

The Darwin effect has been in place for those drones for a whle now.

A report two or three weeks ago (if I haven't lost track of the time) indicated one "drone flyer" lost control of his drone in a public park, and decapitated himself (with the usual fatal result).

(Damage to the drone was not reported in the stories I saw, but it's probably on eBay now - "only flown once"(?).)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 06:24 PM

Shotgun-Destruction of personal property- Arrest and fine.

Discharge of a firearm in the city- revocation of gun license and prohibition of firearm ownership, plus jail sentence.

Canada, yuh know.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 11:47 PM

So use a wrist-rocket sling shot. Or get your own drone and take pictures of whoever's taking the pictures and have them arrested. Better yet, put a small rocket on your drone and shoot the other one down -- or just ram it with a cheaper RC flyer.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 04:25 AM

Many forms of spying devices are available that are a lot more sophisticated, and not necessarily more expensive. National secret services, business companies, terrorist organizations, and other organized criminals spy on us, big or small. And the least of their interest is what we look like in the nude.

If you think you need not worry, since you have nothing to hide, think again. Consider the case that you support a political movement: an opponent who has all the data can certainly find weak spots in some of you leaders' lives, and expose or blackmail them.

We need better private counter-intelligence than shotguns and metal locks, and we need it quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: olddude
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 12:16 PM

They are poor eating GNU   kinda tough .. we are allowed two bigfoots a season. They keep crashing my drone by throwing rocks .. dang monkies

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: olddude
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 12:17 PM

monkeys can't type today

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 12:57 PM

It's easy enough to pick up your neighbor's computer and mobile phone signals, I've been told. Dunno. Here are some articles found with Google. I am not able to critically evaluate these.

How to pick up your neighbors' Wireless Networks For Free, Article by Yahoo.
How to spy on your neighbors with a USB TV Tuner. Tom's Guide
(Note- these gadgets are cheap.)
Six reasons why you should secure your Wi-Fi Network, KSChang.
(Others say total security is impossible)
Piggy-backing (Internet access). Wikipedia
Long-range antennas- some for sale, but easy to make.
Articles on detecting a neighbor's use of your signals.
How to build a long range Laser spy system for eavesdropping on your Neighbors.
Residential Eavesdropping- Protective Countermeasures. (Many articles)

Tapping Fibre-optic cables. (Much information. www.blackhat.com has information on threats and defense.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 10:23 PM

You want the Truth? Can you handle it?

It's this: there is NO security and there never was.

Getting a program to break passwords is simple -- a "brute force" attack just takes time; "social engineering" is faster and easier. Your cell phone conversations go over what amount to radio links and have hence always been "public." Long-range listening devices have been around since at least the 1880s. Land-line telephones have always been able to be tapped. If your house has a wireless network, simply turn on the security and set a good password (at least 8 characters, using upper and lower case, non-alphabetic signs, and numbers). To prevent an eavesdropping laser system from listening in, install double or triple pane windows (your energy use will also go down). And so on.

But live with it -- there is NO security, NO privacy if someone really, really wants to get at you. Just remember, they can't be watching or listening all the time.

So get on with your life and don't worry about "them."

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 10:32 PM

how about them turning on your cell phone without you even knowing it and listening to everything going on in your house or whatever. NSA done that for years on the bad guys probably the good guys also

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 12:11 PM

Businesses encrypt their messages.
The location of a cell phone, even when it is turned off, can be determined by major security and police services.

olddude, remove the battery when the phone is not in use.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 12:27 PM

There also is no law preventing them to do a cell tower dump. Police do it all the time. Has all your text and phone calls made. The FCC laws have not caught up with the technology.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:05 PM

Right, olddude. I don't think the FCC would block security forces. Any change would have to come from Congress (or Supreme Court decision).

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:24 PM

there is NO security and there never was.

There is no absolute security, but would you leave your front door open because of that? More security than we have is easily possible and should therefore be demanded resolutely. The Sirens from Google etc. lure us into the deep blue sea.

Laws are slightly better than nothing, but then, there are laws against burgling and we still need locks.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 02:34 PM

Hawkin's bazar sells drones for as little as £60. I'm going to fly mine over 10 Downing Street and drop pigeon shit on the melee below.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 06:28 PM

For a phone tap here in the states they need a court order. However, a cell tower dump requires nothing. They just have to ask the phone company and the information is admissible in court. The ACLU has been trying to get some laws passed against that but to no avail. Like you said Q it would take an act of Congress.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 05:01 PM

I'm going to fly mine over 10 Downing Street and drop pigeon shit on the melee below. \

Fly yours over and drop popcorn. The pigeons that gather for the snack will take care of the heavy payload.

For better effect, drop sardines. Seagulls carry much more impressive ammunition, and remarkably accurate fire control systems to target anyone who looks up at them. (Based on my early experience around Boston harbor.)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 08:02 PM

I got bombed by a seagull in my local shopping center parking lot. Calgary, Canada- gulls follow the waterways and in the summer are in inland centers as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Your own spy drone
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 09:49 PM

Orientations for new students when I arrived in Boston included the warning that if you go down to the waterfront you "don't look up at a seagull."

Observation of the unoriented tourists confirmed that if you did look up, they didn't like it, and you would be "bombed" with deadly accuracy. They never seemed to miss.

(Our inland seagulls seem less inclined to take offense at being watched, or perhaps grasshoppers don't produce the necessary ordnance as efficiently as fish scraps; but I still feel a need to be little wary of them, half a century later.)

John