Origins: Light from the Lighthouse

Subject: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:05 PM

I have heard two people recently introduce Light from the Lighthouse as written by Bob Zentz.   I always thought it was an older song, perhaps with newer words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfHN7-zjkrc

From 1963. Of course Bob could have written it before that date but does anyone know the history?

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:09 PM

http://www.bobzentz.com/songbook/t.lighthouse.loc.reference.htm

Zentz explains it at that site.

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:31 PM

Several threads. If memory is working, I believe that the phrase was used in a gospel song in 1928. Check out the threads, it's there somewhere in a posted song.

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:33 PM

Indeed it is, Q.

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 06:28 PM

Called "Shine on Me," it was recorded by Ernest Phipps.

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: Dave Earl
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 06:43 PM

Yeah but a lot of us UK singing people (me included) have been singing our version(s)for goodness knows how long from a "recieved" version from goodness knows who and it still makes for a good sing.

Dave

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 07:03 PM

Complete with torches on the heads on at least one occasion, Dave!

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: Dave Earl
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 09:16 PM

Yes Trish

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: GUEST,Jim Moran
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 11:11 AM

Liverpool blues artist Raphael Callaghan has been singing it since the 1960s.

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 02:10 PM

Blues/rock, imo.

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: GUEST,catherine yronwode
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:03 AM

Re: the Ernest Phipps and His Holiness Singers version of "Shine On Me" --

There is a [closed] thread requesting lyrics to songs by Phipps, with the comment that due to the enthusiastic singing of the group, and the speed at which they sang, it is often difficult to understand or transcribe their lyrics. This has certainly proven to be the case with the Ernest Phipps version of "Shine On Me."

It took my husband and i dozens of listens until we cracked two out of the three verses. The third one is still a mystery.

Verse 1 is actually Verse 1 of "Must Jesus Bear the Cross Alone" by Thomas Shepherd.

Verse 2 is actually Verse 3 of "We will Stand the Storm" by Isaac Watts.

Verse 3 eludes us for now. If we had even a few words to match against all of the online hymnals at Google Books, we could solve the mystery in a moment. We know that it must be lifted from another hymn -- but which one?

For now, this is what we have:

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Must Jesus bear the cross alone
And all the world go free?
No, there's a cross for everyone
And there's a cross for me

Chorus:
Oh, shine on me, Oh, shine on me
Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me
Oh, shine on me, Oh, shine on me
Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me

Sure I must fight if I would reign
Increase my courage, Lord
I'll bear the toil, endure the pain
Supported by thy word

Chorus

Chorus (fast tempo)

Then the fast tempo verse that we cannot understand

And a final two Choruses at fast tempo

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Any help would be appreciated.

Subject: RE: Origins: Light from the Lighthouse
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 04:05 AM

I see what you mean, Catherine. The song gets fast on the lighthouse refrain, and then it keeps that fast pace on another verse - and I can't make heads nor tails of it. I hear "unto thy side," but I may be wrong.
It's on this YouTube recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQyKGJH7wyE.
The difficult part begins about 2:16.

-Joe-

P.S. What's the Phipps thread that's closed? I can open it, if there are no technical issues.