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Lyr Add: Sister Celestine -- song, abuse in NI

GUEST,mg 28 Jan 14 - 01:42 PM
Joe Offer 28 Jan 14 - 03:59 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Jan 14 - 07:47 PM
Keith A of Hertford 29 Jan 14 - 03:53 AM
GUEST,mg 29 Jan 14 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,mg 29 Jan 14 - 06:22 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Sister Celestine -- song, abuse in NI
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 28 Jan 14 - 01:42 PM

Here is a new song related to what is being reported daily in Abuse Tracker, Bishop Accountability...

I think the nuns and priests, and people of other denominations as well, are often victims as well as abusers...it was a perpetuating system.

I will put it to some standard Irish tune..I know it goes to a slow version of I'll me ma..


My name is Sister Celestine
I wonder how I got so mean
Too much rain, too little food
Children dirty wild and rude

Their noses ran they always cried
I could not love them though I tried
And so I grew the sharpest tongue
And used my strap upon the young

They would not mind me not at all
There was a closet in the hall
I shoved them in and turned the key
Oh is this monster really me

I did not want to be this way
I made a promise to obey
I did what Mother Agnes said
She tied the millstone round my head

But for the lack of just one cow
I'd be a married woman now
These wretched orphans I'd forsake
And pray to God for mercy's sake


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sister Celestine -- song, abuse in NI
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jan 14 - 03:59 PM

People use abbreviations all the time, and I feel left out because I often don't know what they mean. What's NI stand for - Northern Ireland?

I would hope that this is a song about days gone by. I suppose child abuse will never end completely, but I would hope that for the most part, it has been ended in Catholic schools. I went to Catholic schools in the 1950s and 1960s. My first grade teacher was a nun who kept me in the corner for misbehavior for much of the first semester, and I didn't understand why. My parents moved me to another Catholic school, and I never encountered a problem after that.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sister Celestine -- song, abuse in NI
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 28 Jan 14 - 07:47 PM

through the 70s...keep reading abuse tracker..every catholic should read it and also every Salvation Army member, Jew, evangelical, Morman etc. etc. They are studying Northern Ireland now and it is, as I thought, unbelievably bad. Salvation Army in Australia same thing. Other denominations, daily reports.

I had mean nuns in high school but nice ones in grade school...nice ones were St. Joseph of Newark and many were from Ireland as we were a mission parish of Ireland. The pathological brutality that is emerging from Northern Ireland is almost beyond belief. And it was nuns..so never give women a free ride when it comes to them being non-abusers.

This nun's name was Anne Boyle or O'Boyle originally. She was in love with a man called Jim McCann but a dowry situation and a poverty background made her become a nun...(she is not real)...You had some of these mother superiors who overruled the pope, Jesus, St. Patrick etc...and somewhat simple-minded nuns etc. could get caught up in their pathology, or become mother superiors themselves. I am not sure what the ms made her do, but it was awful.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sister Celestine -- song, abuse in NI
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 14 - 03:53 AM

How far back would it be that a girl was put in a nunnery for want of a cow for a dowry?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sister Celestine -- song, abuse in NI
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 29 Jan 14 - 02:15 PM

I would guess you could find some situations today. I have been googling but I bet it was at least under the radar in the 50s or so...a pretty girl of course needs no cow but us plainer ones might.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sister Celestine -- song, abuse in NI
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 29 Jan 14 - 06:22 PM

here is what is coming out of australia now

http://lewisblayse.net/

Canada last week. Northern Ireland now too. Wait till they shine the light on Thailand.


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