BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 10:17 PM

Oh gosh, the suggestive 'power of suggestion' at work....

(GfS: "It must be miserable to be on the wrong side of this stuff, with the feeling of helplessness. . ."

SRS: "You'll have to tell us, Guest, you just described yourself."

Not at all..that's YOUR take on it. As Akenaton said, "I would just for once, like to see an attempt made to answer the actual points made by Sanity, they are perfectly valid and the reason they are not being addressed...."

Not only that, I posted the EXACT tactic, used in order, as I posted them, of the methods used to avoid answering anything of substance!!

SRS(continuing): "How does it feel? Petty, self-righteous, xenophobic, constantly indignant"

Absolute nonsense, and a projection to infer that I'm like that at all!..Is Don writing your scripts, too??

SRS(Cont.): "- seems like you'd set yourself up for a heart attack or an ulcer. Stalking others just spreads the unhappiness. Time to give it a rest, go get a hobby. Go make music, not vitriol."

'Stalking others', is another nonsensical accusatory diversion from the self absorbed imagination of Don, again. He tried that once before, and when he posted the accusation, I thought he was just overplaying his hand...and I still do, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to champion it!

'Spreading the unhappiness'????? You must not have read my earlier post carefully, to say such biased ridiculousness....Here, I'll re-post it....:From earlier on this thread....(one of the ones you didn't delete):

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 06:10 PM

BS: Voting for Hillary?   04 Jun 08 (My ninth post on Mudcat)

" Nope, no web page. I just come in here, sometimes when I come upstairs from the studio, and check my mail. While I'm on I found this blog and thought I throw in my two cents in. This is the first time I have 'held forth', (Though I posted a few above), and I don't plan on posting much more. I was more interested in what musicians were talking about (more than politics). I personally don't know any of the people on here, though I found some interesting, well, enough to respond, anyway. I'm not much of a blogger, but upon reading some of these posts, I found that there are some of my musical brothers hurting, that's all. After all, being a musician is a gift, and politics can get in the way, of the things we need to focus in on, to use that gift clearly...I guess, unless you write political songs (which I don't). What I do know is, that people are tending not to trust one another, unless they share the same political view, and there is certainly a lot of fear and hostility in our country, which, as in music, gets in the way of us all using our gifts the way we fully can, no matter what field you're in. Anyway, God Bless, and keep you all!!"

(My summation five and a half years later!).

"Now after FIVE fucking years of trying to talk some COMMON SENSE, into some fellow musicians....and they're still bitching, I don't think 'fuck-nuts' and 'wing-nuts' is too far off the track!
Seems like I've had it CORRECT for a long time!!"

If there is one thing that political hacks hate, it's the TRUTH...and no amount of 'spin', 'left' or 'right', is going to change that...only a re-examination of why certain people are so entrenched in partisan propaganda, based on a hoped-for false agenda.

It has become flagrantly obvious, beyond any question, that those who get their jollies from pretending to be some sort of integral hub of 'party wisdom', NOT BASED ON FACTS, but wishful thinking, have been the ones, distorting posts, then commenting on the distortions they concocted, and then blaming it on the one they distorted, that have been creating the hostility in the forum!!

Matter of FACT, go back to my post, and read it again.. on this thread:
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 06:10 PM

Read it all..because those were my first nine posts, and the divide was already obvious!...but it wasn't with me, I WAS BRAND NEW!

Keep in mind I was responding to Akenaton's simple observation:

Akenaton: "....I agree Sanity can be a little over the top sometimes, but he has been subjected to loads of abuse since he started posting.."

"SINCE HE STARTED POSTING!"

Get it?...Got it??....Good!

GfS

If anything, SRS, you are being emotionally manipulated, using party politics as a platform to do it!

---

That's enough. -Mod

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 07:45 AM

I'm sure that SRS knows the rules Ake, that is why she hasn't broken them. GfS isn't hurting anyone but himself with this rambling, insulting nonsense, for instance putting quotes around and thus belittling his own words.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 04:38 AM

Name calling is against the rules even for a mod SRS.
You surely all know what the "liberal agenda" is by now, you all see it in your newspapers, every time you turn on your TV, radio content.
and most importantly the manipulative power of the mainstream internet.
Do you think many of the people who use Twitter or Facebook actually think for them selves.....or are the huge majority not slavish followers of celebrity?.......yet they have tremendous political power. It is democracy in reverse, just as the posts of many here are the reverse of liberal.


I would just for once, like to see an attempt made to answer the actual points made by Sanity, they are perfectly valid and the reason they are not being addressed, is exactly the same as the reason my questions on the HIV epidemic are not being answered......the "liberal agenda."

Real liberals should not, when they come up against difficult issues which contradict their ideology, resort to abuse and name calling.
Real liberals, should examine their position, make sure it is correct and set out their alternative view.
This rarely happens on Mudcat, disagreements rapidly become "personalised", as this avoids the need to properly debate an issue which could call into question ones political ideology.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 01:20 AM

It must be miserable to be on the wrong side of this stuff, with the feeling of helplessness. . .

You'll have to tell us, Guest, you just described yourself. How does it feel? Petty, self-righteous, xenophobic, constantly indignant - seems like you'd set yourself up for a heart attack or an ulcer. Stalking others just spreads the unhappiness. Time to give it a rest, go get a hobby. Go make music, not vitriol.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 10:59 PM

Irony?...Irony to a misconception??.....take your pick.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 09:01 PM

GfS, "Liberal Agenda" is your word. Why is it in quotes?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 07:40 PM

Hey, the truth is going to catch up with you, and as time unfolds, and this political crap plays out, you're going to find who was right...and who is full of shit.
You might as well not stick your heads in the sand, all for political misinformation.

Quick!....you'll probably delete this one, too!

It must be miserable to be on the wrong side of this stuff, with the feeling of helplessness, because you can't admit that the 'so-called liberal agenda' isn't working......it was never suppose to!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 03:55 PM

GfS your 'use' of quotes is pretty strange.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 09:58 AM

So, uh, whadaya think of this weather, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 01:12 AM

The personal attacks need to stop or the thread is finished.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 10:44 PM

You're a bit premature if you're yapping at President Obama. We'll have to wait and SEE what he does.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 10:39 PM

Somgwronger, get a clue. It was a Republican Congress that cut the food stamp program!

Don Firth

Subject: BS: Surely Obama will Veto Food Stamp Cuts
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 09:42 PM

Does slicing $8 billion from food stamps cut to bone or just trim some flab?

The farm bill that Congress approved on Tuesday contains a controversial $8 billion cut in the food stamp program that millions of Americans rely on as a defense against hunger.

Many Democrats oppose the measure, arguing the cut is too steep and will hurt about 1.7 million of the neediest Americans....

...By removing "heat and eat," the farm bill reduces food budgets for affected households by about $90 per month on average. That's a significant hit to low-income families.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/0204/Does-slicing-8-billion-from-food-stamps-cut-to-bone-or-just-trim-some-flab-vid

Obama is a man of the people. He loves the poor. The new Farm Bill will cut food stamps to hundreds of thousands. Now he will get to use his famous pen, the one he said he would use to protect Americans. I have no doubt he will veto the farm bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 06:04 PM

>>
Evidently the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut did indeed turn out to be the watershed event that shocked America into taking draconian measures to make it nearly impossible for anything like that to ever happen again. <<

Another unkept promise from that reprehensible bastard.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Mike B.
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 05:08 PM

I guess the problem of gun violence in America was solved to everyone's satisfaction over the past 12 months, because Obama (who spent a lengthy portion of his SOTU speech a year ago with a passionate appeal for meaningful gun control legislation) barely mentioned the issue last week.

Evidently the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut did indeed turn out to be the watershed event that shocked America into taking draconian measures to make it nearly impossible for anything like that to ever happen again.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 01:14 PM

GfS: "Obamacare, a law to force people to spend increased premiums to the insurance corporations..."

If this is true, then why is it that my wife and I don't have to do a thing? We're covered, with no increase in our premiums. And we have the additional assurance that our health insurance coverage meets the standards.

And the same holds true for everyone else I know. I've asked, and the answers I get are, "No, I'm fine. Don't have to change anything."

A FEW people have had to change their coverage--or get coverage in the first place. But that's because they either weren't covered or their coverage was not good. IT, was a rip-off, and this tipped them off to the fact that should they ever really needed health coverage, they were in for a nasty surprise.

Don Firth

P. S. Busy right now, but I may be back later and blow the rest of this nonsense out of the water. As a political commentator, GfS, would make a halfway decent ditch-digger.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 14 - 10:36 AM

"While I post about his deception and crony, capital corruption, you 'so-called liberals' always come back with 'You're a bigot because you don't like his color'.....and I'm saying I don't like him because he's lying, shovel ready nothings, (but where did the money go?), Jeff Immelt, Job Czar..for China...corrupt(but where did OUR tax money go?) 'Green energy kickbacks....AND ALL OF THEM FAILED.....(but where did OUR tax money go?), 'Fast and Furious'....reminds me of Hassenfus, the tip of the iceberg for Iran/Contra....Obamacare, a law to force people to spend increased premiums to the insurance corporations...(and if Bush did that, you'd be screaming bloody murder), Lying about Benghazi!..."If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it..PERIOD!"..so on and so forth...I call it corruption, and if you noticed, I never said ANYTHING about his color..just the 'content of his character....and the fuck-nut wing-nuts keep screaming that it's about color!!!..YOU ARE the RACISTS....(because you're also idiots)"

And for those whose first language is English????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 06:10 PM

akenaton: "Jack and Gilly, I agree Sanity can be a little over the top sometimes, but he has been subjected to loads of abuse since he started posting.."

Ahhh!..Glad you brought that up!

I know I've stepped on the toes of the illusion, and those deluded by it...For FIVE fucking years!

Let's take a look ......

My first post:
GUEST,Guest from Sanity
        
BS: Voting for Hillary? (701* d)         RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?         02 Jun 08

"Jesse Ventura said it right, and the same thing I've said for years..There should be a box below all the names of the candidates on the ballots that reads 'None of the Above'...That shows a willingness to participate, but a 'no confidence vote' for the propped up shills'..come on folks....they all suck square eggs! None of them represent any of you, do they??..Now be honest!! Year after year, we all tend to vote for the 'lesser of two evils'..but in fact, we're still voting for evil, and someone who does NOT have any of our best interests at heart. Everyone of them is so far away from our constitution, that if they spouted their trash, when it was fresh in our founding fathers minds, they would have all been tried for treason!! I could go on. from what I know, but why bother? You either know this to be true, or you don't!!"

My second:

RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?         02 Jun 08

"This 'election' calls to mind the words of Adlai Stevenson(ran for President four times, Eisenhower-Kennedy era), whose words are surely prophetic, and obvious, before our very eyes!! "By the time a man is nominated for President, he is no longer fit for the job!"

Third(in response to a reply, touting the 'so-called liberal' position:

"Come on, Joe..Be healed!!"

Fourth:
BS: Voting for Hillary?         
RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?         02 Jun 08

"The remark, attributed to Stevenson, is accurate, and unfortunately, he was(is)right. As for the other, Obama and Hillary, are both just politicians, who do NOT embrace the constitution, as their guide to their positions, or moral compass. Just read their positions. Sorry, that some of you get your info from your local high school paper. When any elected official, takes their oath of office, they swear to uphold the constitution, not change it to fit their own ideology, which, with media support, is rammed down our throats, and is destructive, to both our will, as a democracy, and to the founding principles on which this country was founded. GWB, in my opinion, has committed perjury, as well, by not upholding the oath he took. We need another party, that has some credibility. Both the republicans and democrats are both too corrupted, and are re-actionary to the others nonsense. When was the last time either of these parties represented you, or the will of the majority??? Instead, we get their latest notion of how to 'remedy' the ills pushed forth by the other party of crooks, and buffoons. We have the best system on the planet, as far as governing, but it has been far too corrupted by both parties, all the while, leading us to a form of government so far removed from what we had, fought and died for, and worked hard to live within!!"


Fifth:
BS: Voting for Hillary?         
RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?         03 Jun 08

"So, taking an oath is purely ceremonial??????Boy, tell that to the judge! Ask a service man's widow if it was ceremonial!..Or your wife!!..Maybe to Bill Clinton and his ilk!, or GWB as...well, you know the rest. Just ceremonial!!...Shows how far far we've slid from what we hold important, you know, like the truth, or honor, or like all of these ridiculous people that are running, who actually are lifted up, to be the best we have????!!!!....These cons are the best we have to choose from???? Everyone of them have a list of lies, documented, longer than this blog thread we're on...and that's no lie!! Fox news tells you who is honest???...Excu-u-u-se me!!...CNN?????, gag...msnbc???(well I do like Keith Obermann)..but come on....folks, wake up!!...All you have to do is scroll up and read the weak 'endorsements', and 'commitments' that any blogger has toward any candidate!..Its all weak. We really do not have a choice...and if I have to, and I can,produce a link where any one of these Bozos, are caught on camera lying obviously to the people..on camera!!..That's right, you people!!!...and you just gobble it up. Every one here, knows that at least two of the other candidates are just full of it, and guess what??...you're all right!!..anyway, I'm done, for now!"

Sixth: "Jeez! I can't believe it, .. I'm waxing political!...I'd rather be composing in the studio, I've got REAL stuff to do!!..What about you??"

Seventh:
BS: Voting for Hillary?   03 Jun 08

"Vote??..of course vote! I'm just saying, give us a real candidate!..AS you stated, you are not voting for McCain or Ob-blab-o, because they suck!..That's not the same thing as voting FOR someone you think is good...you are just voting AGAINST those who you think are bad. Join the crowd of nearly everyone I've talked to!!! ..Voting for the lesser of two evils, as I stated before!!!...By the way, thank you very much, for illustrating my point, so clearly!! Now reflect..think about it...I'm not arguing with you, or any of you...just stating a common fact that has America sucked into this ridiculous debate(by design, btw)               
    P.S. Now watch all the deluded start posting the wonderful propaganda they've swallowed. telling us why they love their 'candidate'..Spare us!"

Eighth:
BS: Voting for Hillary? 04 Jun 08

"As per requested, Little Hawk, I re-read your post, and I stand corrected. That being said, Bush-Cheney, were in the same league, as Clinton during his term. Actually, not only are they in the same league, they are just more of the same person, with the same agendas...just extensions of the same agenda. It reminds me of being in the ring, with a boxer, who comes at you with a right..a left..another left, then a right....we in America have been battered by the same boxer, using both sides, and faking us out, while we are watching for the blow to come from 'the other side. We've been 'blind-sided', repeatedly, and every blow, right and left, has the agenda to strip us of our own sovereignty, while keeping us distracted from the real issue before us. Has anyone considered that the media, with their pundits, and speculations, right and left, has us focused on all the emotionalized issues while the wheels just keep grinding us down? Splitting us apart, and giving us the illusion that there is a big difference between us, that matters more than that we are all sharing this land, trying to survive, have a normal life, raising our families....just like every one else????? Whether you are white, black, rich or poor, male, female young, old, of any descent, we all share two distinctive traits given to all living beings, whether it is an animal, plant, or an amoeba, we all have the will to survive, and reproduce! Anything that gets in the way of this,(the common denominator of all living creatures) is a form of death! So, in conclusion, let's all re-consider...'Do unto others, as you would have done unto you'....not divide and conquer!"

Ninth:
BS: Voting for Hillary?   04 Jun 08

" Nope, no web page. I just come in here, sometimes when I come upstairs from the studio, and check my mail. While I'm on I found this blog and thought I throw in my two cents in. This is the first time I have 'held forth', (Though I posted a few above), and I don't plan on posting much more. I was more interested in what musicians were talking about (more than politics). I personally don't know any of the people on here, though I found some interesting, well, enough to respond, anyway. I'm not much of a blogger, but upon reading some of these posts, I found that there are some of my musical brothers hurting, thats all. After all, being a musician is a gift, and politics can get in the way, of the things we need to focus in on, to use that gift clearly...I guess, unless you write political songs (which I don't). What I do know is, that people are tending not to trust one another, unless they share the same political view, and there is certainly a lot of fear and hostility in our country, which, as in music, gets in the way of us all using our gifts the way we fully can, no matter what field you're in. Anyway, God Bless, and keep you all!!"

Now after FIVE fucking years of trying to talk some COMMON SENSE, into some fellow musicians....and they're still bitching, I don't think 'fuck-nuts' and 'wing-nuts' is too far off the track!
Seems like I've had it CORRECT for a long time!!

So, I re-iterate: "I know I've stepped on the toes of the illusion, and those deluded by it...For FIVE fucking years!"

Next on, I'll get to 'Guest's' magical question, as to the 'liberal agenda'....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 05:53 PM

And just HOW is "liberal 'ideology'" mental suicide?

(I object to the term "ideology," by the way.)

Ake, you, like GfS, dodge any questions having to do with your OWN political position, but you denigrate all those who are clear about theirs and the positions they are willing to clearly enunciate. That's like sniping at others while hiding in the bushes.

If you can't be CLEAR about your political position, I'm just not going to bother reading what you post anymore.

I'm already deeply suspicious of anyone who believes in compelling gay men to have periodic medical exams in an effort to halt the spread of HIV/Aids. How do you plan to find out who's gay, and then round them all up?

This smacks of the nasty, grim-faced little man who was very fond of uniforms and wore a postage stamp mustache, and who caused a world a lot of trouble some seventy years ago.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 05:28 PM

the "liberal" political stance

Please define, Pharoah. In detail.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 04:33 PM

I don't think Sanity thinks you are stupid Ebbie, it's just that he cannot understand why you fail to see how you are being manipulated.
I have always felt the same as Sanity about the "liberal" political stance, but I am not "wedded" to any particular political ideology.
A left wing socialist who can appreciate many conservative social policies, an atheist who is able to admire the strength of "believers".
"liberal" ideology is mental suicide.
Destroy social conservatism and you kill society.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 04:12 PM

ake, I wasn't aiming at patronizing but I think it is beyond hilarious for GfS to chide someone for appearing to believe that 'most everyone is stupider than you(rself' when every blasted one of his posts bears that implicit message.

Does he know that? I doubt it. Which means he is not quite as smart as he believes. Maybe not even nearly as smart.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 03:12 PM

Ake, if that's what you call "a little aggressive in style," I wonder how far he would have to go before you would consider him beyond the bounds of decent, civilized behavior.

If anyone in my home talked to anyone the way he talks to and about people here on Mudcat, I would throw him bodily out in the street.

As any decent person would!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 02:34 PM

Don I would NEVER publish private messages under any circumstances.
Many people on here do so. I think those who do so should be warned by admin.
When Sanity first appeared here he was subjected to disgraceful abuse from a bunch of people...you included. Fuckwit was mild compared to what GfS received in the way of abuse.
Maybe apologies all round and a new start under Jack's weather eye would be good for the forum?

As I have said, he can be a little aggressive in style occasionally, but don't poke him and he wont bite.
ANY personal abuse on a forum like this is cowardice.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 01:49 PM

Ake, when someone repeatedly attacks you personally, calling you a "fuckwit" and worse, and doesn't address what you have said in your posts, but responds by telling lies about your personal life (about which, he knows nothing), and demands (with piles of invective) that you answer questions that he never asked--it's pretty damned hard to answer him civilly.

He says to people here on the internet, while hiding behind a pseudonym, that were he to say the same things face to face, they'd grab him by the shirt front, shove him against a wall, and slap the living snot out of him!

In addition to being a troll, he's a coward.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 10:51 AM

Jack and Gilly, I agree Sanity can be a little over the top sometimes, but he has been subjected to loads of abuse since he started posting...I have always found him civil even when we disagree, because I treat him as a friend with some views that don't correspond to my own, not as a mortal enemy.
I wouldn't dream of using name calling to any of you, it's disrespectful, but most of you, except Jack, do it continuously.

If you look beyond the slightly aggressive style, you'll see a person who can think out of the box and who could be a real asset to this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 09:54 AM

Hey, with Dylan selling Chryslers, the USA will be back on track in no time. This Bud's for you, Bobbie!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 09:51 AM

Well Akenaton, All you have to read of GfS's post is the part where he expects an honest man to be elected President. Honesty to the level that GfS expects would require omniscience, supernatural knowledge of every upcoming event untainted by optimism.

Do you it is possible to know every event in advance? Do you think it is possible to be "brutally honest" and be elected?

We know that we are choosing among politicians. We know that politicians tend to tell us what we want to hear. On the other hand I know that in President Obama's case, a lot of people took "Hope and Change" as a promise to end all war and give everyone a pet unicorn that pooped skittles. At the time I believe that GfS was insisting that there would be no such unicorns and that we would have to buy our own Skittles and we were saying "We know. But we think the other guy will be worse." Does anyone doubt that if McCain was president we'd have boots on the ground in Iran now? And Syria and Libya Not to mention 8 years under the shadow of the probability of the emergence of President Palin.

So, if he wants to, on this forum Mr GfS has every right to go ape shit and spread his hyperbolic, naive, nonsense all over the walls of these threads like a person in a padded cell with no access to ink he does not produce with his own body. What he does not have a right to do is say things like this. "and all you fuck-nuts ever talk about" but you know that and he knows that, so it seems rather pointless and futile to point it out. About as pointless and futile and railing about politicians being dishonest.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 09:03 AM

Geez Ake, kind of difficult to be civil to a misanthrope like GFS who refers to you as a fuck-nut, fuck-nut wing-nut and an idiot. Did you actually read his venomous, hate-filled post?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 04:40 AM

GfS makes many salient points there Ebbie, I don't recognise your characterisation of him.

Please address the points he makes, and stop trying to sound so patronising. He obviously becomes frustrated by trying to debate with people who's minds are not open to political alternatives, but he does respond to the points made by "liberals".
Why do you and Don not try to respond civilly?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 02:05 AM

"not another round of how everybody is stupider than you!" Geewhiz



hmmmmm

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 01:07 AM

Speaking of bullshit. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Feb 14 - 12:03 AM

Stringsinger: "the fact that a black man made the presidency is still something for every American to celebrate."

What would be REALLY something to celebrate is that an honest man made it to the Presidency...regardless of color!


Don Firth: "But President Obama is doing his damnedest against a Congress that is hell-bent on seeing him fail--partly because he's a Democrat, and partly because some of them think he is the wrong color to be occupying the White House.
And that last is not "playing the 'race card,'" it's a simple, obvious fact."

Sure you are(playing the 'race card')....If you really believed in the Civil Rights Movement, and in particular, Martin Luther King's words, you'd get it...."I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

....and all you fuck-nuts ever talk about is his color, and NOT the content of his character!!!!!!!! Now it's shifting to Hilary, because she's a chick...No matter what a crooked, lying turd she is!
Why don't you just elect another Bush??..same difference!

While I post about his deception and crony, capital corruption, you 'so-called liberals' always come back with 'You're a bigot because you don't like his color'.....and I'm saying I don't like him because he's lying, shovel ready nothings, (but where did the money go?), Jeff Immelt, Job Czar..for China...corrupt(but where did OUR tax money go?) 'Green energy kickbacks....AND ALL OF THEM FAILED.....(but where did OUR tax money go?), 'Fast and Furious'....reminds me of Hassenfus, the tip of the iceberg for Iran/Contra....Obamacare, a law to force people to spend increased premiums to the insurance corporations...(and if Bush did that, you'd be screaming bloody murder), Lying about Benghazi!..."If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it..PERIOD!"..so on and so forth...I call it corruption, and if you noticed, I never said ANYTHING about his color..just the 'content of his character....and the fuck-nut wing-nuts keep screaming that it's about color!!!..YOU ARE the RACISTS....(because you're also idiots)
Next, as Don pointed out, it will be "P. S. And if you want to see what male chauvinist pigs are like, wait until a woman is elected president! Especially if she's a Democrat!"

No, especially if she's a lyin' crooked politician, (like the character we have in there, now) like both of the Clintons!..."What difference does it make" Hilary. If she doesn't know...why support her?? ...especially after she lied about the whole thing!!!

AND, the 'so-called liberals' just can't get past their own bullshit...and that get's in the way of them ever 'getting it'!

Sincerely,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Feb 14 - 02:39 PM

The last three posts, Jack, Stringsinger, and Ebbie, are right on target.

Anyone who can't work up the necessary brain cells (or doesn't have them to start with) can sit on his or her flabby buttocks and snort in a smug and superior manner, "They're all a bunch of crooks!" and take snotty pot-shots at people who are actually working very hard to try to improve things (generally using meaningless blanket terms like "liberal agenda," not having the foggiest notion of what "Liberal" means or what a Liberal's "agenda" might be), and there are far too many such people.

Which is one of the reasons we all too often get some of the politicians we do.

If I am at all disappointed in President Obama, it's mainly because of my own expectations. I was hoping for another FDR, which, unfortunately, he is not. Few politicians are. But President Obama is doing his damnedest against a Congress that is hell-bent on seeing him fail--partly because he's a Democrat, and partly because some of them think he is the wrong color to be occupying the White House.

And that last is not "playing the 'race card,'" it's a simple, obvious fact.

Don Firth

P. S. And if you want to see what male chauvinist pigs are like, wait until a woman is elected president! Especially if she's a Democrat!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Feb 14 - 01:53 PM

"Wise up...and post a fact, relating to the TOPIC, and not another round of how everybody is stupider than you!" GfS

Good lord! Do you listen to what you write?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Feb 14 - 12:04 PM

Obama did what he had to do. The issues he didn't mention in his SOTU were deafening.

He is no FDR, , but because it would have been impossible a decade ago, the fact that a black man made the presidency is still something for every American to celebrate.

Unfortunately, inheriting a policy from Bush, and like Clinton before, he is still a war-monger president.

If Hillary gets in, watch the U.S. invasion of Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Feb 14 - 06:27 AM

GfS, do you think it is any news to anyone who is paying attention and who has lived through at least one election that politicians spin the truth and don't keep all of their promises.

The last election we were in a deep mess, the choice was clear. A guy with a bad plan made worse because the opposition would rather see the economy die a slow death than let that guy taken credit for the tiniest improvement

or

the leader of the opposition whose only plan was to double down on what made the mess in the first place.


Yes both parties are beholden to special interests.

But No.

There is a difference. One party wants to pull the plug on the economy and sell off the assets of the government in a fire sale.

The other wants to try to hold things together, invest in the future and have faith that America will find its way out of this mess.

As individuals I only trust them to say what they think will get them elected.

But one party has a noble goal and the other is the blind leading the intellectually bankrupt.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 14 - 05:45 AM

Thank you for explaining liberals to me. However, it doesn't provide me with a working definition of "liberal agenda" unless it's meant to be implicit in your statement.

I got a chuckle out of the following:

"Electricity is produced by burning coal or oil in power stations. They burn the fuel to make smoke and the smoke is pushed down the wires to the appliances in your home. Then the smoke goes back to the power station on the other wire and is let out the stack. The worst thing you can do to an electrical appliance is to let the smoke out. Once the smoke gets out, the appliance will no longer function. Sometimes you can fix the leak with tape but usually it is too late. Even worse is if the smoke gets out in the middle of a wire. Then it will set your house on fire. Toasters let out just a little bit of smoke in the form of hot air."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Feb 14 - 03:47 AM

I better clarify this, before the nitpickers make an overblown issue over it, "......AND can be stricken down by another Executive Order from the 'other party'.."

...should the 'other'(?) party win the next presidential elections.
...and if you go to 'Black's Law Dictionary' you'll find out the limitations of an Executive Order.
people have it quite overblown...and the government sure aren't about to clarify it!...or, for that matter, abide with the legal end of it, in regards to what exactly it covers, AND the limitations as to where and how it's supposed to be.......(but the 'Transparency' promised by this administration surely isn't about to tell you!!!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Feb 14 - 03:23 AM

My Dearest Ebbie...That's why I said to go to the 'fact checker'. If I post it, or Songwronger post it, the idiots start attacking us, INSTEAD OF CHECKING IT OUT! To quote you, "In my opinion, the people who find fault with it, are not responding to the words, they are reacting to who said them."

Let me rephrase....."In my opinion, the people who find fault with GfS's post, are not responding to the words, they are reacting to who said them."

Beauty, as well as ugly is in the eye of the beholder!

...and BTW, the SOTU was so weak and intentionally misleading that it was nauseating....only next to the 'Republican' response! If either Republicans or Democrats, thought either one of those speeches were 'inspiring', it's only because those two are just begging to be lied to...as long as they got to hear what they wanted.....without checking out the facts!

...and as so far as Don's post....when are you ever going to post something with substance relating to FACTS, instead of your opinions based on your feeble mind, that doesn't seem to be able comprehend shit!..You think that if someone doesn't post something that goes along with your disinformation, that somehow it is incomprehensible!
Wise up...and post a fact, relating to the TOPIC, and not another round of how everybody is stupider than you!

GfS

P.S. Here, I'll do you a favor....check the unemployment rates, and the Obamacare stats...and as far as the 'Executive Order' rap, nothing that he signs as an executive order, still has to be funded by Congress, AND can be stricken down by another Executive Order from the 'other party'...problem is THERE IS NO 'OTHER' PARTY....just other groups of pigs waiting to feed at the trough!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 09:28 PM

I could suggest posting the "lies the President spoke but I don't think I'll bother. There are one or two people on here who have a credibility problem- and it ain't me nor Don F neither. If you - you know who you are - don't know that, right there is your problem.

Sadly, I suspect that those same one or two people don't even believe their own statements.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 08:13 PM

GtS I think the term is "sowing fear"

As far as the SOTU: I try to watch or listen to whatever my President has to say in public. This went for Bush as well as it goes now for Obama. I found the 2014 address last week to be a bit too 'touchy-feely' for me. On the whole it was okay but I didn't find it inspirational or business-like. I'd have preferred either.

I think it is quite true that the present administration has continued a lot of the policies/ practices of the previous one. This belies the criticism that it is the most socialist or the most fascist. It is rather middle of the road in reality. People are quite willing to criticize those in power, then when they get a little power they are loathe to give up even a particle of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 07:16 PM

GfS just flunked Poli. Sci. 101.

Bloody undecipherable can of worms.

It's pretty obvious that not only can nobody decipher what the hell he's talking about, but HE doesn't know what the hell he's talking about!

He throws around words he's heard, but obviously has no comprehension of what they mean.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 06:32 PM

Ebbie: "In my opinion, the people who find fault with it, are not responding to the words, they are reacting to who said them."

Don Firth: "Right on, Ebbie!!"

Except if you check it out with a fact checker..there were far too many lies....but that's OK for 'so-called liberals'...it SOUNDED 'nice'!

Glad you two showed up and claimed your prize!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 06:20 PM

Jeez! JtS almost got it right, at least he was on the right track...I have made my position of 'so-called' liberals very clear, repeatedly.
They SAY they are 'liberals', but are more in line with the 'hard right', due to their blind hypocrisy...and are just up tight, hostile fanatics, who, while they SAY they despise the 'right'...they end up supporting exactly the same corruption that the 'left' is duplicating. They apply the term 'civil rights' to about everything, and SAY they base it on the Constitution, but hypocritically, ignore the rest of the Constitution and/or The Bill of Rights, thinking that it strips the 'right' of their emphasis...but end up complaining when it dawns on them that the bullshit they heaped on the 'right', just happens to affect them, too...and then they blame it on the 'right'...but as long as they can mask it as 'progressively liberal', and an exaggeration of a 'civil right', they nod their heads like an entranced robot! They base their drivel on emotional exploitations, and very little on fact..as we have repeatedly witnessed through the threads. 'Name calling' replaces logically constructed thought...and they are for the most parts, hypocrites on steroids!!
That being said, the 'right' has a different tactic, but they exploit 'patriotism'..while sewing fear...the 'duty' as dictated by their 'party'.
Both of them are so full of shit..and with every year that passes, they just hand off the 'football' for the other to run with it..and run they do, further away from freedom and over-reach by the government, to the multinational corporations and international banksters, who only use the divide for THEIR advantage...NOT YOURS, or the citizens, of whatever country they happen to fucking over, at any given time!
They instruct you WHAT to think...instead of HOW to think...and the partisan morons just repeat their mantras...that most of the time, don't make factual sense...and are driven by hostility for any opposing ideas, that does.......and they aren't even honest enough to take a look around, and call it like it is....and what it is, is they've been duped, like a bunch of rhetorically driven imbeciles!

This present administration, has been a major wake up call, to MANY Democrats that they've been bullshitted to, and it's getting harder for them to keep frothing the lame excuses trying to deny, which is so patently obvious.....and the REAL 'so-calleds', just keep drooling the same 'talking points', without thinking, that the obvious bullshit, is just not true, and too ridiculous to defend without making a complete ass of themselves!....but they keep slobbering it out of their uncontrolled mouths.

I could get more specific....but if you find yourselves finding that the shoe fits well, why bother going on about it.
We know who the phony imbeciles are...we know it HAS occurred to a lot on here that just haven't RECONSIDERED why their bullshit doesn't match reality...OR the promises made them(and the country), doesn't seem to line up with what comes out in the long run.

Now, if you could wade through that...it happens to be far less convoluted, than the crap a lot of you promote, UNDER THE GUISE of being 'liberal'..(or Conservative, as well).

As for me, BOTH parties have allowed themselves to be corrupted beyond recognition!

Do we really NEED specifics??...and/or, are you really that dishonest, and stupid simultaneously??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 06:09 PM

Right on, Ebbie!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 06:00 PM

I, for one, liked the President's State of the Union speech. Given that it is - it has to be - a cheerleading speech, everything in it needed to be said.

In my opinion, the people who find fault with it, are not responding to the words, they are reacting to who said them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 03:42 PM

Don, You are pretty much on the money. But I'll give GfS for sticking the label "liberal agenda" on an idea he'd been percolating and trying to describe for some time. It does save a lot of bickering over who believes what.

Of course the implication that all people who support a particular politician or idea all have the same agenda or even are all liberal is silly propaganda which came from people who do tend to herd together and call themselves "conservative" even though on the whole, they are pretty radical.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 03:30 PM

GUEST, don't expect an answer, or at least a sensible answer to what GfS means by "liberal agenda" because he doesn't know what he means. He picked up the expression from somewhere and uses it as an epithet.

He purports to have no political opinion. He feels he's "above it all," thus superior to we mere mortals.

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, as to his accusation that I'm only a "wannabe activist," I have been working on political campaigns for number of decades now, and a couple of times have been offered a position as convention delegate by my local caucus. Can't take it, because I'm currently in a wheelchair (post-polio) and travelling is too difficult for me. But I work at campaigns and issues in any way that I'm able.

I have also put in a lot of time and effort on serious environmental issues.

What has GfS ever done? Bitch and complain on this forum, and throw mud at those who ARE active, is about all.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's State of the Union Address, 2014
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Feb 14 - 10:00 AM

nice post sciencegeek