BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 09:48 AM

"Moderate Muslims are not very moderate...today"

"I am not looking to do away with fundamentalists, I am looking to remind them that there is only one God and they are not it".


Difference between Muslim moderates and real reformists

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 03:15 AM

Michael. I suggest you add bee keepers to your list of people to be wary of.

More people in this country have died from bee stings than through terrorism in the last five years.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 04:36 PM

Them show us SOME indication that you are NOT " a supporter of terrorism and an Antisemite:

Sounds like the old lawyer's ruse: "So wnen did you stop beating your wife?"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 01:17 PM

"You have been informed of your failure to address reality" By whom - Mike - don't think so?
"It is not possible to debate with people who lie"
I'm still willing to give it a try - go on, make your point, you haven't yet
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 11:55 AM

You have been informed of your failure to address reality. Since you provide no support for any of your comments, when you continue to state false points you are deliberately lying.

It is not possible to debate with people who lie.

You have demonstrated that you have nothing to contribute to any further discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 11:47 AM

"WHICH RENOUNCED the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews, at least officially."
Yet they still negotiated with the Palestinian government of at least six occasions.
"THEY HAVE NOT NEGOTIATED WITH HAMAS."
Nobody has ever claimed they have or should.
"ONLY those that have renounced the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews. "
There has never been any stipulation on which who should take part in those talks.
"Them show us SOME indication that you are NOT ""
No, you nasty little bollocks - you have accused me - you show me where I am these things.
You, on the other hand, have made it quite clear that you are a supporter of Israeli fascism (so described by Jewish Noam Chomsky and suggested as a possibility by Jew Albert Einstien - and many other Jews) - no proof needed for this.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 08:09 AM

Don't reply to me so truculently, please Jim. I was particularly taken aback, as the form my question to you showed, by your use of the phrase "you people", which, in the context, and taking into account the direction the argument had taken, was extremely imprecise, and could have been unfortunately interpreted [or over-interpreted!]. I was simply trying to point out that your hot haste in posting can sometimes result in unfortunate choices of phrase, of which you should be aware. If you wish me to stick such well-meant indications uncomfortably, then I shall just leave you to get on with it, and hope there are no disagreeable outcomes.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 07:48 AM

Jim,

YOU state:

"I will not accept being called a supporter of terrorism and an Antisemite, by him, you or anybody, without getting angry nad feeling free to express that anger."

Them show us SOME indication that you are NOT " a supporter of terrorism and an Antisemite:" or else live with the FACT that you are one.

I have shown you are a liar, and have consistently denied proven facts. That says a lot about YOU, not those of us who point out your bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 07:44 AM

Jim,

YOU state:

"Israel has already negotiated with the Government of Palestine - they have again if there is to be peace"

YES, Israel has negotiated with the LEGAL government of the Palestinian Authority- WHICH RENOUNCED the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews, at least officially.

THEY HAVE NOT NEGOTIATED WITH HAMAS.

You rally do think that ALL Palestinians look alike, don't you??



"You have always claimed that the Palestinians want to kill Jews and destroy Israel"

NO, you lying shit for brains. I HAVE STATED that HAMAS has, in it's charter, stated those points.



" - Israel has negotiated with them on -"

ONLY those that have renounced the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews.





"how many occasions, therefore it has betrayed the Jewish people - according to you"

NONE






"You are a lying shitbag who hasn't the bollocks to admit that you are wrong "

This is a reasonable definition of Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:22 AM

" I think you had better count to 100"
I was referring to people who deliberately lie to make their case, as Bruce is doing here and as is common practice with at least two other members of this forum.
It undermines every one of these discussions over and over again and drives them into the ground
I disagree with you, and others on the question of Israel, but at least, I accept that your arguments are honest and thought out.
I will not accept being called a supporter of terrorism and an Antisemite, by him, you or anybody, without getting angry nad feeling free to express that anger.
Please stick your warnings where they don't show.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:03 PM

"it shows what a shower of shit you people really are
Jim Carroll"
.,,.

WHICH people precisely, Jim? I think you had better count to 100 before posting anything like that again, before you really land your exceedingly thoughtless self in some of what you accuse some [insufficiently specified] people of being.

FOR YOUR OWN SAKE ~~ FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE WATCH IT!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:40 PM

One might pose the same question about yourself, pdq.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:07 PM

"...You are a lying shitbag who hasn't the bollocks to admit that you are wrong - no different than any other apologist for Israeli terrorism. Please keep this up - it shows what a shower of shit you people really are..." ~ Jim Carroll


Why is this person allowed to post his daily ration of hatred, bigotry and shit-slinging?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:53 PM

"YOU have demanded that Israel should negotiate with the PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT IN GAZA- WHICH IS HAMAS."
Israel has already negotiated with the Government of Palestine - they have again if there is to be peace
You have always claimed that the Palestinians want to kill Jews and destroy Israel - Israel has negotiated with them on - how many occasions, therefore it has betrayed the Jewish people - according to you
You are a lying shitbag who hasn't the bollocks to admit that you are wrong - no different than any other apologist for Israeli terrorism
Please keep this up - it shows what a shower of shit you people really are
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:08 AM

"The fact that you have to lie shows you have no argument - the fact that you lie public shows you to be a very stupid individual."

This describes you precisely.



"Israel has negotiated with the Palestinians - that is all I have ever suggested. "

Then YOU admit that Israel DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH HAMAS and those who STATE that they want to destroy Israel, kill Jews, and will never negotiate in good faith.

YOU have demanded that Israel should negotiate with the PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT IN GAZA- WHICH IS HAMAS.


Or is it that "All Arabs look alike" to you?

I bet you even have "friends who are Jewish".




"If that make me an Antisemite, then the Israeli regime is Antisemitic also."

No it is YOUR demand that Israel negotiate WITH HAMAS, and YOUR posts that, according to the EU definition of anti-Semetisn, define YOU as an anti-Semite.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:28 AM

"Israel has NOT negotiated with HAMAS AS YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY expressed a desire for"
Where - now is your chance to prove me a liar?
The fact that you have to lie shows you have no argument - the fact that you lie public shows you to be a very stupid individual.
Israel has negotiated with the Palestinians - that is all I have ever suggested.
If that make me an Antisemite, then the Israeli regime is Antisemitic also.
You really are not very good at this, are you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 04:13 PM

"I do believe Israel has done as much damage to the Jewish people as is being done by any other nation in the present time, "

YOU may have whatever opinion you like, but you have provided no justification for anyone reading your posts to agree with you.



"but that is not part of your lying attempts to make me an anti Semite"

YOUR POSTS have demonstrated you are by the EU definition and anti-Semite. No lie, just a factual statement.

If you don't like it, try not acting in the manner which proves you are one.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 04:08 PM

Let me 'splain something…

"Israel has negotiated with the Palestinian leadership therefore, by your argument, Israel is guilty of negotiating with people who wish to destroy the Jewish people, which makes, again according to your argument, Antisemitic."



This is a false statement by you.

Israel has NOT negotiated with HAMAS AS YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY expressed a desire for- since the were the "Legitimate elected government of Gaza". YOUR STATEMENT "Where - I have never mentioned Hamas - you are again lying " is in contrast to your posts.

HAMAS has declared it wants to destroy Israel, Kill Jews, and declared it will not negotiate honestly.

The PA UNTIL RECENTLY (When Israel stopped negotiating) was NOT allied with HAMAS.

The PA had renounced the destruction of Israel.




BY MY ARGUMENTS, YOU are being an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 03:32 PM

"YOU have stated that Israel should negotiate with Hamas, AS THE GOVERNMENT OF GAZA."
Where - I have never mentioned Hamas - you are again lying
Where have I ever mentioned negotiating with Hamas, or even mentioned them?
Israel has negotiated with Pthe palestinian leadership therefore, by your argument, Israel is guilty of negotiating with people who wish to destroy the Jewish people, which makes, again according to your argument, Antisemitic.
I do believe Israel has done as much damage to the Jewish people as is being done by any other nation in the present time, but that is not part of your lying attempts to make me an anti Semite
As I said put up or piss off
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 03:10 PM

Jim,

"Nobody has suggested negotiating with Hamas - the Palestinian people are the victims here ans unless you are prepared to negotiate for a settlement the alternative is to drive them out en mass or exterminate them - what do you suggest? "


YOU have stated that Israel should negotiate with Hamas, AS THE GOVERNMENT OF GAZA.

What do YOU suggest that Israel does WITH HAMAS?

IT IS HAMAS THAT HAS STATED IT WANTS TO DESTROY ISRAEL AND KILL JEWS.
IT IS HAMAS THAT ISRAEL WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH.

Israel will AND HAS negotiated with Palestinians.

You need to learn some history.

Perhaps that is why you keep making lies up.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 03:04 PM

"Israel DOES NOT negotiate with Hamas."
Nobody has suggested negotiating with Hamas - the Palestinian people are the victims here ans unless you are prepared to negotiate for a settlement the alternative is to drive them out en mass or exterminate them - what do you suggest?
"Where is the outrage over the bombardment of civilians in Israel?"
There is a war on - tanks agains civilians and their homes,Berlin type wall, phosphorus used against schools and hospitals, massacres of 3500 refugees, a seven year blockade in an attempt to starve the ordinary Palestinian into submission.... in fact, war crimes.
I deplore the use of rockets, but it's a little difficult to be outraged by their use as retaliation compared to the larger picture.
Israel is now considered a fascist state, by Jews and non-Jews alike.
It is putting into operation an Apartheid policy, it has adopted the same solution that was adopted by East Germany to cut the Palestinian farmers off from their land - starve them out - it is clearing legitimate occupiers from their land in order to create a Jewish state and it is ethnic cleansing nomads.
The world has been here before - last time it was the Jews who were prominent victims, this time it is the Israelis jackbooting their way across the Middle East in the name of the Jewish people.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:47 PM

Islam, or at least modern reinterpretations of it, is at the core of some of the Arabs' deep troubles. The faith's claim, promoted by many of its leading lights, to combine spiritual and earthly authority, with no separation of mosque and state, has stunted the development of independent political institutions. A militant minority of Muslims are caught up in a search for legitimacy through ever more fanatical interpretations of the Koran. Other Muslims, threatened by militia violence and civil war, have sought refuge in their sect. In Iraq and Syria plenty of Shias and Sunnis used to marry each other; too often today they resort to maiming each other. And this violent perversion of Islam has spread to places as distant as northern Nigeria and northern England.

Today the outlook is bloody. But ultimately fanatics devour themselves. Meanwhile, wherever possible, the moderate, secular Sunnis who comprise the majority of Arab Muslims need to make their voices heard. And when their moment comes, they need to cast their minds back to the values that once made the Arab world great. Education underpinned its primacy in medicine, mathematics, architecture and astronomy. Trade paid for its fabulous metropolises and their spices and silks. And, at its best, the Arab world was a cosmopolitan haven for Jews, Christians and Muslims of many sects, where tolerance fostered creativity and invention.

The tragedy of the Arabs

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:45 PM

Or is it that All Arabs look alike to you? wink, wink

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:43 PM

"Then the Israeli Government is guilty of (one more time) supporting those who "have stated their goal is to destroy Jews"
The Israeli Government entered those negotiations of their own free will - nobody forced them, they were prepared to "negotiate with those who "have stated their goal is to destroy Jews".
"

As usual. you are shown up as a liar.

Israel DOES NOT negotiate with Hamas.

YOU LIE.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:36 PM

So, Jim, your offer is a lie- just as most of what you post.


Keep cheering those Palestinian war crimes- After all, they are doing what YOU want- attacking Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:22 PM

Where is the outrage over the bombardment of civilians in Israel?

You see, as most people in the UK were waking up this morning, and those in Europe, United States and elsewhere around the world were going about their daily routines, here in Israel over one million people were running for cover from a hail of rockets being rained down by Palestinian Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

In the last 24 hours alone, over 120 rockets have been fired on southern Israel. That's approximately five rockets per hour. By the time I finish this article, odds are that count will have risen to 125 rockets.

To put things in context: one million Israelis is roughly 13 per cent of the population. Thirteen per cent of the UK population equates to about 8.4 million people, or the entire population of London.

The Telegraph

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:12 PM

"YOU have been shown to support forcing Israel to negotiate with those who "have stated their goal is to destroy Jews"
Then the Israeli Government is guilty of (one more time) supporting those who "have stated their goal is to destroy Jews"
The Israeli Government entered those negotiations of their own free will - nobody forced them, they were prepared to "negotiate with those who "have stated their goal is to destroy Jews".
Sorry - feeble try - certainly no cigar.
You have a chance to make a large donation to a charity of your choice - you refuse to avail yourself of that offer.
You obviously have as much contempt for those in need of charity as you do for the rest of humanity.
Game, set and match - you are a liar
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 12:37 PM

YOUR CHALLENGE:
"I will donate a large sume to the charity of your choice if you produce any support from me for any of these people - any whatsoever."


YOU have been shown to support forcing Israel to negotiate with those who have stated their goal is to destroy Jews, and that they will not negotiate in good faith. Either you are a total idiot, or you have demonstrated support for them.

SO PAY UP.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 12:34 PM

You have stated you support forcing Israel to NEGOTIATE with HAMAS, who have stated that they will not negotiate in good faith and that their goal, and yours, it appears, is to kill all the Jews.

Send that large sum to

FSGW Treasurer
8252 The Midway
Annandale,VA 22003


Waiting to hear about it's delivery.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 12:13 PM

I take it you are not in the position to take up my offer?
I have long realised they you people are not exactly the brightest starfishes in the sandbucket, but at least Keith attempts to bluster his way out of having lied.
I suggest you sling your hook and take your Antisemitic and dishonest arse elsewhere if you lack the bottle to back up your lying
It really does sum up you people - great role models for your cause!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 12:05 PM

http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b.htm?utm_term=hamas%20charter&utm_content=p1-main-1-title&utm_me


Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences: [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: "Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware." From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? "And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper." Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game. As the hadith has it: "The people of Syria are Allah's whip on this land; He takes revenge by their intermediary from whoever he wished among his worshipers. The Hypocrites among them are forbidden from vanquishing the true believers, and they will die in anxiety and sorrow." (Told by Tabarani, who is traceable in ascending order of traditionaries to Muhammad, and by Ahmed whose chain of transmission is incomplete. But it is bound to be a true hadith, for both story tellers are reliable. Allah knows best.)

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 11:29 AM

"supported the massacre of refugees, the killing of civilians and the destruction of their homes, the ethnic cleansing of Bedouins, the use of chemical weapons on homes, schools and hospitals.... and all this you have blamed on "THE JEWS "

No, I have not.

You have claimed that without any proof other than your statement.

If that is all that is needed, YOU are certainly guilty of all that I have stated. Since you provide no proof, I see no need to provide you with any. It is obvious from your posts that you are all that I have stated.

Sorry if I demand the same treatment of my accusations that YOU have demanded for yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 10:55 AM

So, you are calling Hamas liars? THEY have stated such in their own publications.


And Muskets are known for being less accurate than rifles- you miss the mark again.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 10:55 AM

"YOU are the one who supports the side that has stated it's goal is the destruction of the State of Israel and the killing of all Jews."
Where have I EVER done that - anywhere
I will donate a large sume to the charity of your choice if you produce any support from me for any of these people - any whatsoever.
On the other hand, you and yous have persistently supported the massacre of refugees, the killing of civilians and the destruction of their homes, the ethnic cleansing of Bedouins, the use of chemical weapons on homes, schools and hospitals.... and all this you have blamed on "THE JEWS - I've shown you yours - now you show me mine.
Won't hold my breath though!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:25 AM

I was at a conference with a man doing research in Germany recently. He is Palestinian and considers himself an Arab.

He doesn't wish to kill all Jews. He was presenting a paper he wrote alongside a colleague from Tel Aviv who is Jewish.

Sorry Bruce, what were you saying again? It's just that I have problems taking in stereotypical bigotry.

Your sonnets are crap as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:18 AM

Sorry, Jim
YOU are the one who supports the side that has stated it's goal is the destruction of the State of Israel and the killing of all Jews.


YOU are the one who supports genocide.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:50 AM

"Just that Jews are not being killed enough to satisfy his desires."
Oh dear - once again - substantiate yourt lies you Antisemitic toe rag.
"I know what YOUR solution to the entire population of Israel is- you have supported those who STATE that their goal is to "KILL ALL JEWS'""
Where?
"Note how often Jim injects the 6 million Jews killed in WW II into his conversation."
Yes - I most certainly am, as are all my Jewish friends (including the ones with tattooed numbers on their forearms) who don't want it to happen with Muslims and are ashamed at what has happened to Israel in the name of the Jewish people
Now who do listen to, an unreconstructed liar who blames the Jews for Israeli war crimes and atrocities or Holocaust survivors and their families - er.... let me see?
"I would not rely on the Bible as a historical record if accuracy is what you are after,"
No neither would I - don't they do'irony' in the T.A?
Doesn't make any difference to the fact that they have occupied the land for millenia - and have as much right to be there ans anybody
Our differences appear to be simple - I opt for negotiation, you go for ethnic cleansing.
"let the crimes of the fathers be suffered on the children" is another good Christian ethic which you seem at home with.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:17 AM

Jim has already demonstrated that it is not the killing of Arabs that he minds- Just that Jews are not being killed enough to satisfy his desires.


Note how often Jim injects the 6 million Jews killed in WW II into his conversation. He seems quite fixated on that.

I am waiting on his attacks on Gypsies and homosexuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:02 AM

Over ten million Muslims killed by Muslims in the Middle East since 1950 vs. fifty thousand in the Arab-Israeli conflict in that time. Another 'final solution' d'you think?"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 07:47 AM

"What do you believe should happen to the 2.5 million Palestinians living in The West Banks and the 6.5 million refugees driven from their homes - another 'final solution' d'you think?"

I know what YOUR solution to the entire population of Israel is- you have supported those who STATE that their goal is to "KILL ALL JEWS'"


I note also that you have been silent on the war crimes even now being performed by the Palestinians- Seems like you are OK with violations of the Geneva Convention EVEN AFTER THE PALESTINIANS SIGNED THEM , when they are against Jews.




Your numbers are suspect- could you please justify them? If you count ALL the decedents of Jews that were driven out of Arab nations since 1948, I think that you will find it even larger, since the starting number was larger.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 07:39 AM

"Roughly the same number of Jews were displaced but the Jews allowed those refugees to assimilate into the general population and become part of the fabric of the nation."

Actually, there were MORE Jews displaced.

But Jim does not, from all his comments and posts, consider Jews as people with any rights whatsoever.

Nor does he consider Muslims as "real" people, as witness his silence on the India/Pakistan division.

ONLY the fact that it it Jews who are to be displaced is of interest to an obvious bigot like Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 05:53 AM

Well actually Christmas I would not rely on the Bible as a historical record if accuracy is what you are after, and even if it was I cannot remember there being any reference to Arabs in it Egyptians, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Hittites, Samaritans, Greeks, Romans, etc, etc - But no Arabs.

One other point to draw to your attention Christmas there never were 9 million Palestinians in 1948, the number who fled on the orders and advice of the Arab League numbered some 711,000. Instead of welcoming those refugees the very Arab nations who had encouraged the Arabs of Palestine to reject what was on offer by the UN and to fight instead imprisoned the "Palestinian Refugees in camps (Many of those on captured Palestinian territory) and deliberately kept them in squalor and abject poverty for political reasons. Roughly the same number of Jews were displaced but the Jews allowed those refugees to assimilate into the general population and become part of the fabric of the nation.

There are no established political or territorial boundaries within the Mandated Territory of Palestine as defined by the League of Nations in 1923, if you think that there are then please get the Hamas version of it posted on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 04:39 AM

"That is a bit of a "fairy tale" isn't it Christmas?"
No Corporal i its in the bible so it must be true
"Well Christmas the same should have happened to them as happened to the 820,000 Jewish people"
Eye for an eye eh?
Good old Christian ethic.
I'll raise you my 9,000,000 Palestinians to your 820,000 Jews - no contest!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 04:28 AM

" the fact that the Arabs have occupied the area continually for thousands of years"

That is a bit of a "fairy tale" isn't it Christmas? Especially as the same could be said for certain Jews, but they were chased out but for some convoluted reasoning in your own mind they have no right of return.

Any idea what the qualifying criteria (UN) is to be classified as a "Palestinian" Arab with this automatic right of return? I think it would surprise you - absolutely astounds me.

You ask:

"What do you believe should happen to the 2.5 million Palestinians living in The West Banks and the 6.5 million refugees driven from their homes"

Well Christmas the same should have happened to them as happened to the 820,000 Jewish people forcibly deported and robbed of their property and possessions in the wake of the wars of 1948, 1956 and 1967. Those "Palestinian" Arabs should have been absorbed into the social fabric of the Arab countries who encouraged those "Palestinian" Arabs to fight instead of accepting the two-state solution that they were offered in 1947 by the United Nations.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 02:45 AM

"So, what is YOUR solution, Jim, besides supporting terrorists as long as they kill Jews and anyone who support Israel's existence? "
More crouching behind the sic million dead Bruce - it wasn't Jews who facilitated the Sabra Shatila massacre or dropped white phosphorus on schools and hospitals or have attempted to starve the Palestinian people into submission..... it was to Israelis wot dunnit - blame the Jews if you wish - now that's what I call Antisemitism.
What do I think should happen?
I think a return to the peace table without the Israeli wrecking tactics and the U.S abandoning the use of the U.N. veto in their support (used over 100 times) might help.
What do you believe should happen to the 2.5 million Palestinians living in The West Banks and the 6.5 million refugees driven from their homes - another 'final solution' d'you think?
None of your rhetoric attempts to answer the fact that the Arabs have occupied the area continually for thousands of years, whatever was drwn up in a document by a handful pf politicians to get Britain off the hook.
You continually accuse me and others of supporting terrorism - without proof - you have continually and supported the massacre of Palestinian and their ethnic cleansing from the territory
What is your answer - I've given you mine - negotiation?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:17 AM

Interesting "Guest" on BBC's "Hardtalk" programme a few days ago, a Somali local Government Official, Mohamed Nur, who was appointed as the Mayor of Mogadishu and served in that capacity between 2010 and early 2014.

A Muslim his views on the radical Islamic jihadist group are extremely uncompromising, paraphrased, they are simply this:

Kill them, wherever and whenever you encounter them. Do not try to capture them or put them on trial, kill them. Their leadership including it's "middle tier will not fight, they have grown too rich to risk either their lives or their comforts, let their "foot soldiers" know that there is only death, and the "leadership" will then have to negotiate if they wish to keep what they have gained.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 10:16 PM

one of those boo-words to disguise antisemitism

Nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 04:35 PM

Moments ago, 20 rockets were fired from Gaza at Israel. 4 were intercepted by Iron Dome and 16 landed in open areas near Be'er Sheva, 50 kilometers from the Gaza Strip. In the past month, more than 200 rockets have been launched at Israel from Gaza.

Israel will do what it must in order to protect its borders and its citizens, and Israel Defense Forces will continue to respond to these terror attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 04:27 PM

So, what is YOUR solution, Jim, besides supporting terrorists as long as they kill Jews and anyone who support Israel's existence? Please tell us how you would resolve it.

Then you can address the hundreds of thousands displaced from Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh when THEY were divided.

Oh- that's right- No Jews, no need to complain about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 04:24 PM

The Palestinians that I know are members of West Bank Christian families that were driven out of their millenium-old Christian towns by the Arab League in 1948.

Going to give them back their homes? They lived in Ramallah.