Bill Leader / Trailer Records

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 05:44 PM

I have long thought that Bulmer's only interest in Leader / Trailer was in the stock of unsold LPs.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Matthew R.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 05:59 PM

A "GUEST" wrote:

"Matthew. By what strange logic do you deduce that the copyright / ownership rights bought completely legally in a free market should not, when they die, go to a person's decendants or business partners?"

Apparently you lack basic reading-comprehension skills, as is often the case with anonymous trolls. I deduced or implied no such thing. I merely inquired who, after Dave Bulmer's death, retained the rights to the catalogues he purchased. I am ignorant of that information.

Honest Jon's does exist.

The utterly uncalled-for condescension of your post merits no further response.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 06:14 PM

NEVER THE SAME - Honest Jon's CD
1. Lal Waterson – Never The Same
2. Nic Jones – Anna Water
3. Dorothy Elliott – Adieu To Judges And Juries
4. Alistair Anderson – The Kid On the Mountain
5. Dick Gaughan – Jock O’Hazeldean
6. Dave Burland – The Bleacher Lassie O’ Kelvinhaugh
7. Aly Bain – Niel Gow’s Lament For His Second Wife
8. Lal Waterson – To Make You Say
9. Nic Jones – Annachie Gordon
10. The Boys Of The Lough – Caoineadh Eoghain Rua
11. Dave Burland – A Dalesman’s Litany
12. Tony Rose – Blackwaterside
13. Dick Gaughan – MacCrimmon’s Lament / Mistress Jamieson’s Favourite

still available.

Did any of the people who keep insisting SOMEONE should reissue
this material ever BUY this ???
Or the LP's which are offered on eBay and other sites ????

Thomas.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Matthew R.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 06:16 PM

By the way, in recent years -- despite the downturn in the sales of music on physical media -- there have been hundreds if not thousands of reissues of remarkably obscure albums, some of which have done reasonably well. Labels such as Light in the Attic, Numero Group, Missisippi Records, and so forth have been in business a decade or more selling LPs and CDs of music that is much more obscure than that of Nic Jones or Dick Gaughan. The owners of these labels have been able to negotiate with the rights owners and make it worth their while to reissue the material. Certainly no one is getting rich in this market but it is nonetheless been proven to be a viable one.

In light of that, the continued insistence by some on this thread (often but not always cast in fairly abusive terms) that the Trailer catalogue plainly has no financial value -- and that /must/ be the reason by Bulmer never got around to exploiting it -- rings hollow. It's possible that nobody made an offer to Bulmer that he felt was fair. But to flatly assume that the market for a reissued Nic Jones LP is so vanishingly small as to make a reissue out of the question seems unwarranted to me. I suspect that will not stop people from repeating the assertion each time this thread is revived.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Matthew R.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 06:20 PM

cross-post

I bought the Honest Jon's reissue when it was released in 2005.

As for LPs, I have bought many Trailer and Leader LPs on eBay, however in many cases they fetched very handy sums.

I was never made aware of Mr. Bulmer selling those LPs directly. Perhaps he did so back in the 1970s and 1980s. All of the Trailer/Leader LPs I've purchased in the past 20 years were used copies, being resold by individuals or stores. There was a brief moment when poor-quality CD copies of some Trailer albums were available, but these were mastered from vinyl copies and quickly went out of print (they too fetch high prices now).

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 08:29 PM

So where can one get the Honest Jon recording?

As compilations go it seems to be a cracker.

I will apologise (slightly) to Matthew in that I misinterpreted his query as being yet another dig at Dave Bulmer.

That came in the following posting.

As regards where the ownership lies there are enough clues in the various threads to indicate that Dave does indeed have a widow and children and business partners who (unless Dave willed the ownership to a dogs home or similar) will have inherited.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Matthew R.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 11:24 PM

The "Never The Same" compilation can be had for fairly cheap, e.g.

http://www.amazon.com/Never-Same-Various-Artists/dp/B000BNWNW4/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Same-Leave-taking-British-1970-1977/dp/B000BNWNW4/

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Jun 15 - 08:44 PM

So I checked it out and apart from one site offering a new item to be shipped from Japan at a price over and above what I would be prepared to pay and "only one in stock - order now", the rest were second hand items.

Further investigation revealed that the CD in question appears to be the only one by this outlet offering English folk.

So once more the question is - why?

It also gets one good and one dodgy review. You pays your money and you takes your chance!

With regards to any agreement with Celtic Music perhaps if it is so important to know it is open to whoever to ask the Honest Jon management.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 05 Jun 15 - 02:59 PM

£9.99 direct from the excellent and eclectic Honest Jon's. It's a corking album, and all above board in terms of licencing & legality.

http://honestjons.com/shop/preview/27428

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 04:16 AM

Just checked out Honest Johns website.

http://honestjons.com/shop/search/topic

There are now quite a few (many?) Topic re-releases on CDs listed there. Do a search for 'topic' Are these from the actual masters or dubbed from pristine LPs? If they are CDs then I guess some audio decompression has been used - so they would not have the same analogue 'clarity' as the LPs themselves. But at least the older folk material is out there. But then I guess Topic are also re-releasing there back-catalogue on CDs. Huh - maybe these are Topic CDs!!!!

Sadly a search for Trailer or Leader does not produce anything.

As an aside I have the boxed set of Bill Leader's Copper set 'A Song For Every Season.' They're in pristine and unplayed condition. However I would be happy for someone to digitise the LPs for re-release onto CDs so long as the Copper Family got their due royalties. Any thoughts on this?

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 04:24 AM

Actually I am 'quizzy.' The Watersons and Coppers recorded on Trailer / Leader but some of their recordings are being re-issued on Topic. How on earth did Bulmer allow that?

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Reinhard
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 06:52 AM

Only Mike and Lal Waterson's Bright Phoebus was on the Trailer label. All other Watersons records were and are on Topic.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 06 Oct 16 - 04:11 AM

And I have Bright Phoebus - largely unplayed!!!!!

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Alistair
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 08:57 AM

Bright Phoebus now available again and with other tracks from the recording. Double LP for vinyl lovers...

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Reinhard
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 12:48 PM

See the thread   Bright Phoebus reissued

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Gavin Paterson
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 03:31 PM

Playlist for Ballads & Balladeers with Gavin Paterson, Tuesday 15th October 2019.

Celebrating the huge contribution of Bill Leader - the man who has produced more folk LPs/CDs/etc than anyone else. Starting around 1955 and still active today. Most of his work is on legendary labels such as Topic, Transatlantic and his own Leader & Trailer labels.

Was anyone in "The Massed Choirs Of The Glasgow Socialist Singers And The Glasgow Y.C.L. Choir "? - get in touch if you were.

There will be a part two before too long.

First Hour
Come In Come In (Theme) - Andy Stewart
Blow The Man Down - Ewan MacColl, A.L. Lloyd with Harry H Corbett as shanty master.
Haul Away Joe (Away Haul Away) - Stan Kelly
Zoological Gardens - Dominic Behan
The Twa Corbies - Ray & Archie Fisher
Anji - Davy Graham
The Anti-Galician Privateer - Louis Killen
The Peat-Bog Soldiers - The Ian Campbell Folk Group
The Butcher Boy (My Parents Gave Me Learning) - Enoch Kent
Hot Asphalt - Bob Davenport
The Red Flag (White Cockade & Maryland) - The Massed Choirs Of The Glasgow Socialist Singers And The Glasgow Y.C.L. Choir
Carriag Dun - The McPeake Family
Jazz Bo's Holiday - Clive Palmer & Robin Williamson
The Wild Rover - Luke kelly and the dubliners
Rap Tap Tap - Matt McGinn Lives On (Official)
The Girl On The Greenbriar Shore - Tom Paley & Peggy Seeger
Roberta - Alexis Korner - Musician Vocals Herbie Goins)
Needle Of Death - Bert Jansch (Official)
Catch up link -
http://podcast.canstream.co.uk/celticmusic/index.php?id=31291&fbclid=IwAR1r44yYFtXxQBuQv3p7SaBYVvWu5o7QF_WtOlXf1lWEHR3qAfcXOc0Jh

Second Hour - catch up link
Dido Bendigo - The Waterson Family: A Mighty River of Song
Drumdelgie - Dave Campbell (The Singing Campbells)
Pound A Week Rise - The Exiles (Gordon McCulloch with mandola)
Byker Hill - The Young Tradition
Henry My Son - Frank Harte
The Bridge Below The Town - The Glenside Ceili Band
Reynardine - Archie Fisher
Willy O Winsbury - Andy Irvine/Sweeney's Men
The Jute Mill Song (Oh Dear Me) - Mary Brooksbank
Lazlo Feher (Jim Lloyd intro) - Dave & Toni Arthur
Crooked Jack - Al O'Donnell
The Lichtbob's Lassie - Cilla Fisher & Artie Trezise
The Lonesome Boatman - Finbar and Eddie Furey
Her Father Didn't Like Me Anyway - The Humblebums
The Cliffs of Dooneen - Christy Moore
The John MacLean March - Dick Gaughan
Bright Phoebus - Lal & Mike Waterson

http://podcast.canstream.co.uk/celticmusic/index.php?id=31292&fbclid=IwAR3XChfARr-HhaBaHGPdxdEYu9TJ3rM4CF3yIXB_j-0F461Naka8svc_E

For the second show, I'd like to feature some more work from the Leader/Trailer labels. If anyone has digital copies of any such LPs and willing to share with me, please get in touch at
gavin dot paterson at ntlworld dot com.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 07:20 PM

Howzabout some tracks from Song For Every Season?

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Bugsy
Date: 25 Oct 19 - 08:41 AM

Or Roy Baileys "Dalesman's Litany"

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 19 - 10:33 AM

Is the man still actively recording nowadays?

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Gavin Paterson
Date: 28 Oct 19 - 05:17 PM

Guest SB - I have something by The Copper family from the Box Set tomorrow.
Bugsy - I have Roy doing "All Used Up" in for tomorrow but I'll do "Litany" next week.
Guest anon - I understand he is active in digitizing his archive (Yeah!) but I'm not aware of anything else. He has an active Facebook page.
Gavin P

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Bugsy
Date: 02 Nov 19 - 09:09 AM

GAVIN, I'd love to listen 5o your programme, but unfortunately, I'm in Perth Western Australia.

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Nov 19 - 10:12 AM

The Dalesman's Litany is a poem by F W Moorman, set to music by Dave Keddie, it's hard to hear a better version than Dave Burland's.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Bugsy
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 12:08 AM

Dave H, I was referring to Roy Bailey's ALBUM, Trailer 3021, which I thought I remembered as "The Dalesman's Litany" but is just the "Roy Nai,ey self titled album.
That said, I think it's an outstanding album and I like his version of All the songs on it.

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 02:17 AM

I was a big fan of Roy Bailey Bugsy, I met him at Bradshaw Folk Club near Halifax many years ago, an absolute gentleman who enjoyed talking to people.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 07:07 PM

Don't know why I decided to have a quick look at this thread but by an amazing coincidence I am looking at a "Never the Same" CD rescued in curiosity from a rummage box - in surprisingly good order.
Will probably have listen in the next couple of days and if there is anything worth coming back on I will do so.

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,CJ
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 05:02 AM

'Never the Same' is a cracking compilation. Only problem with it is it is too short!

Subject: RE: Bill Leader / Trailer Records
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 08:10 PM

Great accompaniment to our evening meal.
What was it doing in a rummage box?
Probably left for the family to sort and at least it didn't finish up in a skip.