BS: Pathetic goading

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 11:19 AM

Amnesty International report
27 January 2009
Israeli army used flechettes against Gaza civilians
A flechette embedded in a wall in a Bedouin villlage in GazaEnlarge
Apart from white phosphorus, the Israeli army used a variety of other weapons in densely populated civilian areas of Gaza in the three-week conflict that began on 27 December.

Flechettes are 4cm long metal darts that are sharply pointed at the front, with four fins at the rear. Between 5,000 and 8,000 are packed into 120mm shells which are generally fired from tanks. The shells explode in the air and scatter the flechettes in a conical pattern over an area about 300m wide and 100m long.

An anti-personnel weapon designed to penetrate dense vegetation, flechettes should never be used in built-up civilian areas. The Israeli army has used them in Gaza periodically for several years. In most cases their use has resulted in civilians being killed or injured.

Amnesty International's fact-finding team in Gaza first heard about the use of flechettes in the most recent conflict some ten days ago. The father of one of the victims showed the team a flechette which had been taken out of his son's body.

In its latest post on Amnesty International's Livewire blog, the team described how on Monday it visited towns and villages around Gaza and found more hard evidence of the use of flechettes.

In 'Izbat Beit Hanoun, to the south-west of the town of Beit Hanoun, several flechette shells were fired into the main road, killing two people and injuring several others on the morning of 5 January.

Wafa' Nabil Abu Jarad, a 21-year-old pregnant mother of two, was one of those killed. Her husband and her mother-in-law told the team that the family had just had breakfast and were outside the house drinking tea in the sun.

Wafa' and her husband were standing by the corner of the house when they heard a noise, followed by screams. They turned to go back into their house but at that moment Wafa' and several other members of the family were hit by flechettes. Wafa' was killed outright.

That same day, at the other end of the street, 16-year-old Islam Jaber Abd-al-Dayem was struck in the neck by a flechette. He was taken to the hospital's intensive care unit but died three days later. Mizar, his brother, was injured in the same attack and still has a flechette lodged in his back.

In the village of al-Mughraqa on the morning of 7 January, a shell struck the room where Atta Hassan Aref Azzam was sitting with two of his children, Mohammed, aged 13 and Hassan, aged two and a half. All three were killed. The six other members of the family who were in the house fled to the nearest school for shelter. The team examined the bloodstained wall by which the three were killed. It was full of flechettes.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 11:45 AM

That anybody could use such weapons on civilians or defend their use is obscene and inhuman -and extremely "bloodthirsty"

But no-one is Jim, except Hamas.
It is always illegal to target civilians with any weapon.

In your view, should Hamas continue illegally firing rockets or stop?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 11:52 AM

Amnesty International Report. 11 July 2014.

"Meanwhile, Palestinian armed groups in the Gaza Strip have fired more than 600 indiscriminate rockets at Israel, including at major Israeli cities such as Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Be'er Sheva, Ashkelon and Hadera, placing millions of people at risk. A Hamas spokesperson has stated that all Israelis are legitimate targets.

"Firing indiscriminate rockets, which cannot be aimed accurately at military targets, is a war crime, as is deliberately targeting civilians," said Philip Luther. "
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/israelgaza-un-must-impose-arms-embargo-and-mandate-international-investigation-civilian-death-t

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 12:48 PM

"But no-one is Jim, except Hamas."
Hamas has never used flechette weapons or white phosphorus or DIME missiles - only Israel has
Israel has used them over civilian areas - you derisively compared them to "Napoleonic missiles" - making you the appalling, inhuman shit that you are.
"In your view, should Hamas continue illegally firing rockets or stop?"
Using your own argument, the use of rockers is not a war crime - targeting them at on civilians is.
Israel is now indiscriminately attacking civilian areas
If one is a war crime both are - doesn't get more simple.
The total number of deaths from missiles fired on Israel since 2001 is 28
The total number of civilian dead in the present conflict in Gaza is 882 - 550 of those have been civilians and 20% of them have been children.
Do I think they should not be fired - of course I do - as long as Israel agrees to stop the state terrorism it has aimed at Gaza for decades in order to create a single-culture apartheid state.
One of the demands made, and backed-by many nations, is an immediate lifting of the blockade and a removal of the apartheid walls - anything less is a surrender to state terrorism.
What you are suggesting amounts to total surrender to return to Israeli oppression - giving way to brute force, no less and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the conditions Israel have created back home.
I doubt if I would have the courage to continue opposing these thugs, but I tend to feel that to do so would be a betrayal of all those who have been slaughtered in this obscenity that passes for a war.
It's hard to ignore the fact that, while Israelis are busy in Gaza slaughtering civilians, back home they are killing and maiming protesters   
I said at the beginning tat the Middle Eastern situation should be in the hands of the United Nations, without the interference of the U.S. and its vetoes - God knows, America has a record of war crimes and human rights abuses of its own, pat and present, without assisting the Israelis with theirs
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 12:50 PM

"Meanwhile, Palestinian armed groups in the Gaza Strip have fired more than 600"
causing 28 deaths in twelve years - compared to.....
see above
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 01:33 PM

Using your own argument, the use of rockers is not a war crime - targeting them at on civilians is.
The rockets are indiscriminate and aimed at population centres.
An unequivocal war crime.

Israel is now indiscriminately attacking civilian areas
No it is not.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 01:48 PM

Err.. Either Keith is right or dozens of BBC reporters in flack jackets and with cameras are on a huge Elstree film set.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 14 - 03:06 PM

"The rockets are indiscriminate and aimed at population centres."
No they are not - they are aimed as far as they can be thrown - pretty much like a naughty kid throwing a stone over a wall
The missiles are not capable of being aimed anywhere with any accuracy (we've discussed this before) nor are those firing them capable of aiming them
However, what you described id exactly what is happening in Gaza at the present time - unless the Israelis are deliberately targeting hundreds of the civilians they have killed (more likely anyway) - which would be an unchangeable war crime in anybody's book
Can't have it both ways, as much as you have tried to - often enough
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 05:10 AM

The rockets ARE aimed at population centres (and the airport).
Israel is not attacking indiscriminately.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 05:17 AM

(Reuters) - Islamist Hamas's armed wing has warned airlines that it intends to target Israel's Ben Gurion International Airport with its rockets from Gaza and has told them not to fly there, a statement by the group said on Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 05:24 AM

Guardian 9 July.

One hundred and sixty-five rockets have been fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel in the past 24 hours, according to Israeli military estimates. There have been no reports of deaths from the rocket attacks. About 45 of those rockets targeted cities in the centre of Israel – Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Hadera, 72 miles north of the Gaza Strip.

On Wednesday morning, several missiles were fired towards Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion airport. The city's smaller airstrip at Herzliya has been closed due to the threat of rocket fire

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 05:29 AM

"Israel is not attacking indiscriminately."
Then they are deliberately attacking civilians hospitals, chools andmedical homes - they are war criminals
We have agreement
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 06:02 AM

Then they are deliberately attacking civilians hospitals, chools andmedical homes - they are war criminals

If that is true, yes.
If legitimate targets are present, no.
The war crime is the siting of fighters in those locations.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 07:02 AM

When Israel are attacking another country, contrary to UN criteria, there are no legitimate targets.

None whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 07:11 AM

"If legitimate targets are present, no."
Israelis are claiming the presence in all the places that have been destroyed - or have you appointed yourself spokesman on their behalf.
Israel are either indiscriminately attacking or targeting what they are destroying - which is it to be?
You really are an arse-licking squalid, aren't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 08:30 AM

They are targeting Hamas fighters who have illegally placed themselves among civilians.
It is not civilians killing IDF in unprecedented numbers.

Musket, your ignorance is priceless!
When Israel are attacking another country, contrary to UN criteria, there are no legitimate targets.

If it ever does you might have a point.
UN is questioning proportionality, but not Israel's absolute legal right to respond to the totally illegal bombardment of its people by going into Gaza.

You so want to be heard, but have nothing to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 08:48 AM

"They are targeting Hamas fighters who have illegally placed themselves among civilians."
No they are not and they have not claimed to
"IDF in unprecedented numbers."
The current death toll has just been announced - 987 Palestinians, 38 Israelis - on "unprecedented if you take sides.
Whole townships have been leveled to the ground - the survivors are using the cease fire to search for bodies and (highly unlikely) survivors
A tank attack on an occupied home chalked up an entire Palestinian family - Hamas under the bed, no doubt
This is plain simple slaughter of civilians and your attitude is genocide denial - nothing less
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 09:08 AM

My ignorance is non existent. My dog, lying at the side of me seems to know more about this than you.

Keith's post above requires the moderators to intervene because if people read it, they are reading awful lies, put about to defend Israeli terrorism.

Now to the facts, available only to special people. In order to get access, you need a computer and something called google. Keith is working on the principle that nobody can find out..

However, and I don't do this often, I shall now quote from the Wikipedia entry for Israeli aggression;

"The United Nations General Assembly has adopted a number of resolutions saying that the strategic relationship with the United States encourages Israel to pursue aggressive and expansionist policies and practices.[3] The 9th Emergency Session of the General Assembly was convened at the request of the Security Council when the United States blocked efforts to adopt sanctions against Israel.[4] The United States responded to the frequent criticism from UN organs by adopting the Negroponte doctrine."

Back to me now.

There are still 45 UN resolutions from the UN Human Rights Council outstanding against Israel since the council formed in 2006. To put that in context, that is almost half the resolutions they have made full stop against anywhere. Add the dozens of other UN from 1948 onwards and Israel is seen as a pariah state, only able to be an aggressor due to sympathisers funding US politics.

There is no official recognition by UN for Israel's aggression. Their excuse concerning Hamas missiles is that Hamas started it. Hamas only exist because Israel is an aggressor to its neighbours. Without Hamas missiles, Netanyahu might not win the next election. (Just in case anyone wonders what this is all about.)



Now we have the facts, back to discussing the terrorist actions from both sides in this dispute and stop all this disgraceful claptrap about Israel being legitimate when they target hospitals, schools, shelters and children playing on beaches.

I don't know where you get your information about military matters Keith, but I suggest you widen your search, or ask some soldiers. They might know a bit. Or at least, a damn site more than you.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 10:21 AM

By "UN criteria" you presumably mean international law.
That allows a state to intervene across its borders in self defence.
You will find no UN statement denying Israel's right to intervene in Gaza.

Quite rightly there is concern that the response is proportionate, and for humanitarian considerations.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 10:31 AM

You can't stop yourself can you?

45 UN resolutions since 2006 ststing that Israel is an aggressor towards its neighbours, Palestine especially.

Considering Israel only exists by dint of a UN resolution in the first place.

Take your choice of denying Israel's right to dross borders. It isn't doing it in self defence, it never has done.

Thick twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 10:34 AM

BBC
"Enshrined in Article 51 of the UN Charter, the right of self-defence is accepted as a fundamental principle of international law. While aspects of this principle are disputed, it is universally agreed that a state can defend itself against an armed attack.

There is some debate as to the intensity that an armed attack should reach before a state can lawfully resort to self-defence. Most international lawyers would agree that rockets launched against civilians that disrupt the social life of part of a country constitute an armed attack for the purposes of Article 51"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20415886

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jul 14 - 10:46 AM

"a state can defend itself against an armed attack
There is no question of self- defence - this is simple butchery of non combatants who are attacking nobody.
The Nazis gave the same eccuse when they butchered the people of Lidice
You don't even bother to respond to the appalling death toll and the behaviour that has brought it about - the 16 dead desrve all they got for sheltering Hamas, no doubt
I've said it before Keith - you are a fascist
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 02:47 AM

I suppose pretending I hadn't brought the UN resolutions to the debate is as bad as saying there aren't any. There again armchair soldiers think real soldiers don't like UN interference. Been watching Rambo again?

Quoting irrelevant in this case criteria doesn't exactly help your credibility. It just reinforces the attitude and persona that comes out in these threads.

You should be ashamed. Don't forget to say a prayer for those Palestinian families you call legitimate targets when you get to your church later. Watch out for thunderbolts on the way out too.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 02:57 AM

Isn't the thread title, altho we have somewhat drifted from original question addressed, peculiarly appropriate for much of the conduct towards Keith on the part of some posters, with their ad hominem attacks instead of any attempt at rational response to the perfectly sensible points he makes?

Par for the Mudcat course, I suppose, mind.

≈M≈

Sometimes ask myself why I keep logging on, just to subject myself to so much more irritation. Some sort of addiction? Anyone interested in starting up a Mudcats Anonymous campaign!

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 03:20 AM

"peculiarly appropriate for much of the conduct towards Keith "
Keith deliberately places himself in the firing-line with his extremism.
He comes with no fore-knowledge of most of the subjects he dominates (I notice with a little satisfaction that this has lessened of late) - he scrabbles round for 'evidence to back his case' (this has also lessened -now he just pronounces), and has nor taken to sneering at those who disagree with him and declares himself superior and the rest of us "muppets" - on several occasions he has declared himself "infallible".
He appears to 'get off' on defending the more despicable side of humanity.
That we should all grow old defending such behaviour!   
Leave you to your celebration of Israel's victory over the Muslim menace.
Off to my 73rd at Blessington Lake
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 03:25 AM

M the GM, the tactics you mention are not used by accident, or even through an obvious personality disorder, but are to my mind, used with the premeditated intention of driving posters away from the site and causing it to close; to further one particular ideological agenda.

I have watched over the last couple of years how successful these tactics are, how numbers have dwindled, how each thread has become a battleground littered with personal abuse and nonsensical drivel.
very little attempt to address controversial issues which are raised by members......it is far easier to attempt to bully and browbeat opposition into the dust.

I admire the volunteer moderators for allowing all shades of OPINION here, but I feel that in the interests of the forum, these childish tactics need to be terminated, before there are no posters interested in reasonable discussion left.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 03:38 AM

Noted, ake. Thank you.

Happy Birthday, Jim, young man.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 05:10 AM

2but I feel that in the interests of the forum, these childish tactics need to be terminated"
Ake's whigeing self-righteousness never fails to astound.
They ring somewhat hollow coming from someone who makes Mudcat a no-go area for those who do not share his sexual inclinations, with his 'disease carrying' accusations and his exhortations that we should listen to mass-murderer Brievik because he has something important to say.
His friend has similarly made this forum 'no Muslims need apply' territory with his claims of 'cultural implants' and 'the enemy within' depictions.
The breadth of the opinions expressed on this forum is very much to be admired, the abuse that that liberality (whoops - soory, Ake hates liberals) is subjected to is not
Thank you Mike - I have no doubt that your well wishes are sincere.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 05:24 AM

It would help if Keith stopped lying and Michael stopped egging him on. If Michael thinks that stating lying propaganda that Israel is within its rights to murder children, bomb civilians and be an aggressor outside of its own territory, then logging on to read Keith's latest missive is right up his street. Even when you quote UN resolutions condemning Israel, Keith says they don't. A tactic best used by the nazis.

I am not too sure about Michael's sincerity. His comments lately have been reactionary, discriminatory and worthy of his favourite newspaper.

Akenaton is irrelevant to this, as his posts preclude judging his diatribe as a view, just a personality disorder. His last post I bothered reading said that Scotland will be a brotherhood of equal people, except gays because they spread disease and are only about 1% of the people anyway. I thought such views had either died out or were rightly too ashamed to spout them in the first place. He'd be a monster if he wasn't an insignificant small person.

Far too many people leave Mudcat because of the pathetic right wing bloodthirsty claptrap contained in the bullshit posts. They aren't leaving because normal people point out bigotry, they leave because it sickens them to read the bigotry in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 05:45 AM

Jim, I could see your point if I was making up the MSM health figures, but unfortunately for you, they are not MY figures.
They pertain to every country in the world, and are quite incontrovertible.

"The breadth of the opinions expressed on this forum is very much to be admired, the abuse that that liberality (whoops - soory, Ake hates liberals) is subjected to is not"

Sorry again Jim, but that is gobbled gook.....what is the abuse you refer to?

I don't hate people through colour, sexual preference, or political ideology.

I can disagree about how some of these things affect society, but no hatred.


The important thing is that anyone who attempts to put forward a conservative view on any subject, social or political, is immediately attacked by a gang of ideological blinkered people, who have no alternatives to supply, so depend heavily on personal invective.

I say that as a lifelong socialist.
That lifetime has taught me that no matter our political leanings, we need to listen to other views and either dispute them in a reasonable manner, or learn from others that some of our firmly entrenched views may be wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 05:47 AM

Indeed, Jim. We don't agree about much, but I certainly wish you well.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 05:54 AM

Suggest you look up all the times you have sneered at liberals Ake
"I say that as a lifelong socialist."
That I find impossible to accept
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 07:47 AM

It would help if Keith stopped lying

Will you produce an example of me lying.
Of course not, because only a fool like you would stoop to lying on here just to try to win a point.

You have not the knowledge or intellect to join in this debate, so you post shit like that.

You are indeed a sad, inadequate buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 09:22 AM

Ian, if you go back to the threads concerning homosexual "marriage", adoption, etc, you will find that the posts numbered into many thousands. The debates were interesting...and for the most part civil.

When the nasty personal stuff started to appear, most of the real liberals disengaged or left the forum.
Now it is almost impossible to have an objective discussion on any controversial subject, without the "attack dogs showing their fangs.

Verifiable facts used to be the order of the day, now it is politically correct myth which rules this forum.

The "myth bearers" have the temerity to mock good Christian people for their beliefs what a sick joke!

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 01:18 PM

Allow me to quote from Akenaton the other day on the Scotland thread;

"Brotherhood and equality in my book, does not run to legislation in favour of a tiny sexual minority which is associated with such high rates of ill health, even if it only affects 1 in 100 of the population of Scotland."

And as for Keith.. he says The UN have no resolutions out on Israel, (it's 46 since 2006 alone, condemning them.) Then calls me a buffoon for saying so. About the same time he says that Israeli bombing of residential areas, hospitals and schools is permissible under some law or other, despite Israel's venture being classed by UN as aggression rather than the self defence that Israeli terrorists and Keith claim.



No, I'm on the side of reality and the angels. I don't see gay people as sub human as Akenaton does, and I don't profess to be a member of a right wing fascist political party one minute and deny it later, as Keith does.

Keith is a "good Christian person" why don't you ask him if he shares your views on gay people Akenaton? If he has any courage of conviction, you might be interested in his answer. You see, the Christian view is that gay people are equal and can / should be married to each other. it is bigots and schisms that say otherwise, and they need mocking.

Big time.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 01:43 PM

And as for Keith.. he says The UN have no resolutions out on Israel,

Why would I say such shit?
More made up Musket shit.

(it's 46 since 2006 alone, condemning them.) Then calls me a buffoon for saying so.

No.
I described you as an inadequate buffoon because of your lack of knowledge and because you compensate by lying.

About the same time he says that Israeli bombing of residential areas, hospitals and schools is permissible under some law or other,

Showing your ignorance again.
I have explained it to you as simply as I could and gave you a Red Cross explanation of it, but it has all gone right over your pretty little head.

despite Israel's venture being classed by UN as aggression rather than the self defence that Israeli terrorists and Keith claim.

Not true.
The General Council always votes against Israel but no-one takes any notice.
I have quoted UN officials on this.
You just have no understanding of these things.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 04:18 PM

Ian, Keith has different views from me on many subjects, but I have the greatest respect for him.
He is accurate, deals in facts, never misrepresents other members opinions and as far as I can see never lowers himself to lie on this forum......He deserves respect.

I have no truck with liars and twisters such as you and the few who have not deserted you. Your gang is breaking up and your disruptive tactics are heading for failure.....I am pleased about that!

This forum has a large number of highly intelligent members, members who PM me regularly to argue a point or to disassociate themselves from you and your ageism, misogyny and disgusting misrepresentation.

The meaning of the remark which you quoted should be perfectly clear, we should not be legislating in favour of a sexual minority which carries such abysmal health figures, we should not be forcing churches to accept such a minority into Christian marriage while their behaviour and its results are unacceptable to a large section of society at large
Try to burst the bubble of media hype and look at the real world for a change.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 03:16 AM

Scotland has abysmal health figures but we still see them as equal members of society.

Keith repeats again that nobody takes any notice of The UN. He then says it always votes against Israel.

Never occurred to him there's a reason for that. The USA defends Israel and The UN deplore them doing so. The intervention by Obama over the weekend direct to Netanyahu was designed to try to address that after Kerry pointed out the harm that has come from propping up one side in a dispute.

So, Musket, equal members of society, The UN and The White House on one side and Keith and his pet worm on the other. (Oh, add Netanyahu and Farage I suppose.)

We buffoons like to stick together against the vast intelligence and fair society aims of Keith & his worm.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 04:37 AM

Keith repeats again that nobody takes any notice of The UN. He then says it always votes against Israel.

Just the General Assembly which is dominated by grubby dictatorships each with a vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 04:44 AM

The General assembly of The United Nations, including all western democracies...

Coor, I bet good old Kofi would become depressed if he knew such an eminent twat thought The UN was a bad idea.

OK, which idiot bought Keith a Rambo box set for his birthday? You know he gets excited about playing soldiers.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 04:49 AM

You revert to abuse because you can not make a case.
Western democracies are a minority and easily outvoted by all the nasty regimes of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 05:01 AM

The General Assembly chastises Israel three times as often as all other countries combined; it has declared Palestinian terrorism to be a "legitimate" means of "fulfilling…one of the goals and purposes of the United Nations"; that once classified Zionism as a form of racism; and that has three special bodies devoted exclusively to agitating against Israel although no other such body exists for any other country.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/26/how-the-united-nations-was-perverted-into-a-weapon-against-israel/

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 05:53 AM

I am greatly relieved to hear that Christmas is celebrating his 73rd birthday - Many happy returns of the day. The relieve is due to the fact that being over 70 he will never actually have to sit on a Jury and pretend to listen to "evidence" or be directed as to what constitutes admissible evidence and fact, or what is to be viewed as being "legal" and "illegal" in any criminal case.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 07:04 AM

"Far too many people leave Mudcat because of the pathetic right wing bloodthirsty claptrap contained in the bullshit posts. They aren't leaving because normal people point out bigotry, they leave because it sickens them to read the bigotry in the first place."

A very good comment from Mither.


Ake - keep digging. You keep coming up with purported reasons to discriminate against travellers, homosexuals, and non-Xtians. In this you expose yourself.

Somewhat similarly, KtheA, the vast predominance of your posts seek to point out or argue something that you present as a wrong done by Muslims. In view of that predominance there can really only be one view about your motivation.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 07:51 AM

Your conclusion is not justified Richard.
Would it stand up in court?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM

Hmm...when the preponderance of threads about Islamism turn into Israel bashing and the preponderance of threads about Israel run into thousands of posts. In view of that predominance there can really only be one view about the motivation of the Jew haters.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 08:45 AM

Just so.
Those threads run on for years.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 10:25 AM

What the fuck do you mean by jew hater poo bad? Fuck all to do with anything. This is about Israeli terrorism, not the superstition used as part of the excuse. This is about state affairs and not all Israelis are jewish anyway. The superstition of the inhabitants of either side are irrelevant to me. I treat all god botherers with equal contempt when they hide behind it to disguise bigotry and ulterior motive.

Just because you prejudge, don't think decent people sink to your level.

By the way, just been looking at the news. Perhaps when Keith next uses his precious google, he might look up Lord Haw Haw. Then get out his Boys Own dictionary and look up "treacherous."

"Just so." Does that mean anyone who disagrees with you is a jew hater? You pathetic specimen.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 12:42 PM

I note that my post has been modded off.

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None of yours were removed from here. It probably disappeared into the ether. Remember to select and use ^C to save it on your clipboard until you see it appear as a post. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 12:46 PM

You have to support Israeli militants in order to guarantee your posts stay put Bridge. Something to do with the servers based in The USA, using American software I think..