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Old Paint: What's a hoolian? DigiTrad: GOODBYE, OLD PAINT I RIDE AN OLD PAINT Related threads: Lyr Add: Rebel Soldier (cf. Old Paint) (25) (origins) Origins: I Ride An Old Paint (100) I ride an old paint - houlighan? fiery & snuffy? (35) Hoolian??????? (44) old paint and goodbye old paint lyrics (3) Lyr Req: Goodbye Old Paint (6) Song Title please ?-I Ride an Old Paint (21) (origins) Help: houlihan? - Old Paint (77) Lyr Req: Riding Old Paint and Leading Old Ball (22) |
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Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: John in Brisbane Date: 22 Nov 99 - 05:55 PM I have no idea whether this helps, but a young group of muso's from Melbourne known as "The Hooligans" recently toured Ireland. They were told that the term 'hooligan' - otherwise described as a ruffian or thug - was derived from the Irish name of Houlihan, presumably because one or more of that family were synonymous with rough behaviour. Regards, John |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: kendall Date: 22 Nov 99 - 04:27 PM I once had a boss who had "ridden the rods" and insisted that to dance the Houlahan meant to get stupid drunk and cavort in the street. he also explained what a "wangdoodle" was.( a Salvation Army worker) a bindle was a bed roll etc. |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: Les B Date: 22 Nov 99 - 01:42 PM I've seen and heard lots of discussion about those terms over the years. Here's my two bits worth: From my dad and my uncles who were pretty good cowboys, they implied that the holihan was a type of loop, and deft throw, that was used when roping horses. When you've got a corral full of circling horses just wrangled (gathered) early in the morning, they're pretty skittish -- especially if you're working in a temporary round-up corral that is just one waist-high rope stretched though iron stakes. Consequently, rather than making a big loop and using a flailing, swishing sounding swing, which would excite the horses even more, the cowboys developed a "horse loop" that is a short, smooth, overhand toss with a hole in the rope just big enough for a horse's head. I believe this is the "holihan". As for firey and snuffy, I always assumed those were the typical western jargon for the emotional state of the horses and/or the cattle. Horses and cows regularly "snort" loudly (and fart, too) when excited or disturbed. If you've ever had a mad cow blow snot in your face, the term "snuffy" fits ! Firey means high-strung, or nervous, which fits the line "The firey & snuffy were rarin' to go". |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 22 Nov 99 - 12:07 PM The branding theory sounds good,garg. |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: _gargoyle Date: 22 Nov 99 - 12:00 PM Mea Culpa!!!!
Just realized that the above section of "forgotten verse" is drawn from "Get Along Little Dogies"... |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: _gargoyle Date: 22 Nov 99 - 11:52 AM I've taken firey to refer to the hot coals of the branding fire and snuffy to refer to the branding iron used on those coals. ie. the branding iron creates a "snuff of smoke" such as would stream up from a "snuffed out candle-wick." This would also apply using a missing verse, "Its early in the Spring when we round up the dogies....and brand 'em, and clip 'em, and bob off their tails." |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 22 Nov 99 - 01:51 AM Thanks Art. I found the older thread, and the definition of "throwing the hoolian" as using a small-looped lasso to rope a steer sounds good, especially when coupled with the jargon-meaning of the phrase to the cowboy of painting the town red. How about Firey and Snuffy? My guess would be the lead steer and the trailing cowhand in a drive. |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: Date: 22 Nov 99 - 01:17 AM Se older thread 'paint' |
Subject: RE: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: Art Thieme Date: 22 Nov 99 - 01:15 AM It's a rope called a "hoolihan". An "old Dan" is probably a "dun" colored horse---a mottled lightish brown --- like it's been tie-dyed. (See the old cowboy son "THE ZEBRA DUN". Art |
Subject: Old Paint: What's a hoolian? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 22 Nov 99 - 01:09 AM One of my favorite songs of the Old West is Old Paint, but I've alway been puzzled by some of the references. Here are the lyrics... OLD PAINT
I ride an old paint,I lead an old Dan
Old Bill Jones had a daughter and a son
When I die, take my saddle from the wall Now, I would guess from the context that an "old Dan" is a mule. But what's a hoolian? And how about "the Firey and the Snuffy"? Thanks in advance, LEJ
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