BS: Jihadi John identified

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 03:57 AM

Missed a bit.
JEWS AGAINST FASCISM
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 05:05 AM

Sadly, Begin was just one of a number of terrorists who went on to achieve "political respectability" in successive Israeli regimes without modifying their ways of thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 05:17 AM

Why do you people always and only attack Israel, even on threads about something else?

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 05:29 AM

"Why do you people always and only attack Israel, even on threads about something else?"
Why do you people defend Israeli State terrorism and try to manipulate threads whenever it is raised?
You have been told before - dozens of times - you have no authority on this forum (not even respect) and you have no right to say what is relevant and what is not - you don't want to discuss this aspect of the rise in religious extremism - the anser is simple - butt out!
Israeli behaviour in the Middle East has as much tpo do with the rise of Islamist extremism as has the Western need for oil, or the support for Assad or the long-term persecution of Muslims in Britain and elsewhere
Refusing to discuss these aspects is only indicative of your Islamophobic and racist agendas
So be a good pratt and mind your own business; if you are not interested, it's nothing to do with you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 05:48 AM

Keith, I have asked you to stop addressing me for reasons that are listed in a now lost thread. You know them well and unless you wish me to I will not repeat them. Address issues, not people.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 05:48 AM

It is true I sometimes put Israel's side of the story, but I do not hijack unrelated threads to do it.

There are dozens of threads about Israel that you could reopen.
Why do you have to hijack this one?

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 06:01 AM

all the preceding really begs the question - whatever your politics. English society has created this ghoul - is there anything poisitive we can do to stop it happening again.

We all enjoy the good things our society gives us - so collectively we ALL bear responsibility for what has perverted this young person. Can we as individuals do anything?

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 06:11 AM

That question has been asked many times since 7/7.
No-one has come up with a plan yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 06:22 AM

Integration is the answer, "multiculturalism" has failed in reference to such diverse cultures.
Islam will always confront Western "liberalism"......it is a fight to the death.

Personally, I believe many of our social values have become debauched, but that is in the nature of capitalism in decline and NOTHING excuses the hideous crimes and cruelty of Radical Islamism.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 06:30 AM

Well said, Al, and I refer you to the BBC survey I linked to earlier which makes it quite plain that it is not Muslims who are resiting integration.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 06:55 AM

...and in fairness, for once, I agree with ake's statement that nothing excuses these crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 07:26 AM

" is there anything positive we can do to stop it happening again."
It might be a good start to recognise it for what it is and how it got to be what it was.
It is based on religious extremism which is to be found in all religions - including Christianity.
It got be powerful by the long term alienation of Muslims and by pandering to despotic dictators in Syria, Libya, Bahrain, and all the other states we sell arms and military equipment to - Isis stepped into the gap and used that alienation to recruit angry young people to fight its battles.
The U.S. has championed the causes of extremist states in the interests of oil and Britain, poodle like - has followed its lead - western leaders flocked to the recent funeral of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia to pay their respects at the same time as a journalist was receiving part of his sentence of 1000 lashes for speaking out of turn - doesn't come plainer than that.
Israel has added fuel to the flames by slaughtering over 2000 Palestinians last year, most of them civilians and many of them women and children.
A good step towards a solution would be to recognise that Isis terrorism is no more Muslim that Israeli terrorism is Jewish.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 08:06 AM

"Why do you people always and only attack Israel, even on threads about something else?"

That is not hard to figure out.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 08:22 AM

"That is not hard to figure out."
Certainly isn't but it would be Antisemitic to describe it as Antisemitic acoording to the European definition of Antisemitism
EUROPEAN FORUM ON ANTISEMITISM 2012
Working definition of Antisemitism
"Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."
Now what have you figured out Brucie?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 08:33 AM

perhaps we should start a Mudcat/ Muslim friendship initiative.

i mean alright Jim, we're all guilty as fuck but it doesn't get us much further forward. on top of acknowledging guilt, there is positive action.

Subject: RE: BS: Jihadi John identified
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 15 - 08:48 AM

"there is positive action"
No quick fix unfortunately Al, and if it's down to the usual group of War Crimes supporters who use forums like this to spread their hate, there never will be.
If you are a voter (I no longer am), remember that your major parties are all endorsing weapon sales to the feudal dynasties that the Arab Spring revolts tried to get rid of - virtually into the first two weeks of the revolts Cameron hosted an enormous Arms Fair to sell weapons to States like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, and had previously issued export licenses for sniper ammunition and riot control equipment to Assad the Insane.
We can't do much but "every little helps", as than nice man in Tesco keeps telling me
Jim Carroll