BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Mar 15 - 03:07 PM

I am glad Dave the gnome likes the clip of himself singing, we can all live happily ever after

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 20 Mar 15 - 03:52 PM

I've got two wings and fly high with the buggers.

I'm not what you refer to as right wing though. Call me a kiddie fiddler, banjo player or mass murderer but for fucks sake, don't align my views to that of Terribulus or Keith A Hole of Hertford.

Getting off your arse ain't making a statement. It's being yourself.

I have a second engine for the Stag by the way. It will fit many rear wheel drive cars without much modification to the mountings or gear coupling. Yours for £800. Just don't listen to those bastards who reckon its two Allegro engines welded together. (It comes with the conversion kit to stop it overheating,)

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Mar 15 - 04:07 PM

I once had an Allegro. They had a serious problem with the rear stub axles in that the wheel used to shear off! Happened to me on the way to the lakes with the kids on board. I can honestly say that I saw the wheel overtake me before the car fell over. Odd experience. My mate Mike reckoned that they were so named because when the wheel falls off, a leg grows...

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 20 Mar 15 - 04:30 PM

Thanks Keith. No t a film I've seen.

800 quid for a car engine? No way hose. That's a whole heap of PhD fees right there (well, most of one payment).

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 20 Mar 15 - 04:46 PM

i'm confused , peter laban, as I have never been an opening poster, and I don't know which post you refer to. but having read your link, it certainly seems Clarkson is a bit of a loose cannon, but whether he deserves sacking by the beebs slack standards, I wouldn't know. I did have my last post disappear...or maybe fail...,but that was a reply to shimrod .

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 01:30 AM

"My mate Mike reckoned that they were so named because when the wheel falls off, a leg grows..."

Nah Dave, it's because the bloody things were All Aggro...

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 01:42 AM

Clarkson said (this is a thread about Clarkson, remember?) that when some students put one in a wind tunnel to try out a theory, they were right about the Allegro. It was slightly more aerodynamic in reverse than going forward with a similar drag coefficient.

Yeah Stu, you can get a far better engine for £50 but its a bit like when I paid a tenner to see Martin Carthy last week. You are also paying for the heritage and provenance.

Anyway, I only paid £150 for it and spent about £100 on it. But being a dirty rotten stinking capitalist and knowing there are plenty out there willing to feed my craving, you never know. (It didn't reach its reserve last year.)

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod (the Gas Pedant)
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 02:01 AM

So what was your reply to my last post, pete? I can hardly wait! I hope that you didn't compare me to the arch-villan, Jeremy Clarkson!

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 03:06 AM

Hey Backwoodsman! As Good Soldier pasted a clip of his favourite Dave track, can we ask you to put up a link to your favourite Dick Miles track? I'm sure there are many to choose from 😋

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 03:17 AM

Never heard of him.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 05:51 AM

🙊🙉🙈

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 06:10 AM

There are indeed "many to choose from."
First page of hits,


Dick Miles - One April Morning - YouTube
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Dick Miles - One April Morning Recorded live at the Swindon Folksingers Club 05.04.13.
Dick Miles - Little Birdie - YouTube
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6 Apr 2013 - Uploaded by Allan Allsopp
Dick Miles - Little Birdie from his live performance at the Swindon Folksingers Club 05.04.13.
Dick Miles - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEuLjJGPevMbRip0HQVUdlg
A traditional English folk song sung by folk singer and storyteller Pete Castle. (www.petecastle.co.uk ) Pete says "I recorded this on a cassette for VFM records ...
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Dick Miles - Willy of the Winsbury Live at Swindon Folksingers Club 05.04.13.
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Dick Miles and the Whitby Whaler. - YouTube
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21 Sep 2011 - Uploaded by shaneis777
Dick Miles of Ballydehob, Co.Cork singing 'Whitby Whaler' in Schull, Co.Cork. August 1992.
Dick Miles - The Touch Of Her Hand - YouTube
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Dick Miles -The Last Goodbye.wmv - YouTube
Video for dick miles▶ 2:55
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20 Jun 2010 - Uploaded by scot1759
Looked like Utube was short this great old song so I cleared the dust from my brain and learned Windows ...
Seeds of Love - YouTube
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Dick Miles - Adieu Sweet Nancy - YouTube
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6 Apr 2013 - Uploaded by SwindonFolksingers
Dick Miles - Adieu Sweet Nancy Recorded live at the Swindon Folksingers Club 05.04.13. Category ...

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Gurney
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 03:16 PM

Now, about Jeremy Clarkson, The main online petition about reinstating him was delivered to the Beeb, -there's a clip online,- by the purported Stig mounted in a TANK. A million signatures.

About the Allegro. I never had one, but a workmate did. He was involved in one of those enormous nose-to-tail-in-the-fog-Birmingham-to Coventry-pileups, and when the rescuers got there, there were four motorist sitting in the Allegro. It was the only car around with working doors.
A neighbour had an Allegro. When I asked him why, he pointed out that he was a fireman/rescuer and had to cut people out of cars as a matter of course. He said he bought the car for his family.

How did Allegros get into this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 04:07 PM

I think, shimrod, I posted something like.....I don't mind being pulled up on a mistake, and I don't claim to be a scientist and therefore try to stick to the simpler arguments. But I seem to remember, that in a previous thread, you had confessed....albeit under pressure....that your science had nothing to say on the subject of evolution.   So I guess you got nothing to shout about either!.    However, if you got something more than devoted ness to the ruling paradigm...........?

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod (Gas Pedant)
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 05:24 PM

"I don't claim to be a scientist ..."

No, but you insist on commenting on scientific subjects which you obviously don't understand. And though I have never studied evolution (and neither have you!) I can still follow a scientific argument and understand that evidence always trumps stuff like belief and 'faith'.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with Jeremy Clarkson. We have hi-jacked this thread - and, yes, it's all my fault!

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 15 - 05:41 PM

Have you noticed how some people get ever more like the fictional characters you mentally link them to?

I liken one person on here to Major Misunderstanding (from Viz comic) and bugger me if he hasn't completely borrowed from the character in a post a few above this one..

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 03:36 AM

Fictional characters?
I would prefer not to bugger anyone, but i have nothing against those that wish to do so, providing they are not doing it to underage children,
Any further news on Leon Brittam losing files on child sexual interference, or the alleged disappearance of youths from Heaths yacht.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 08:40 AM

"I don't claim to be a scientist"

That's because you have no idea what a scientist is, or what is involved with being one. Your plumbers, builders and other tradesmen mud really get pissed off with you pete. Do you tell them they're doing wrong, that the entire foundation of their training is based on error? Do you do the same with car mechanics, computer designers, airline pilots, folk musicians, engineers, your dentist etc etc?

Back int he real world . . . My mum used to have a bright lime green Allego estate. It was easy to spot her when she was out and about as it was the only one for miles. It had that funny lip on the roof at the back of the estate version, presumably for downforce.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 11:58 AM

Sounds like bluff and bluster to me s and s.   My plumber could tell me how things work, unlike you evolutionists. Jeremy clarkson could explain the workings of an engine...you can't explain the workings of Darwinism, other than infer that it happened by your own philosophical preference of how you interpret the data.   Also, I doubt there is much variation between how plumbers interpret their trade, or how mechanics understand engines. That is far from the case with evolutionists....even leaving out scientists who reject Darwinist dogma.   Now if you really want to just talk about clarkson?........

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 12:27 PM

I don't claim to be a scientist and therefore try to stick to the simpler arguments

Don't sell yourself short, pete - you stick to nonsence, myth and bullshit, and very good you are at it, too!

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod (Gas Pedant)
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 12:57 PM

Oh no!! I'm a gas pedant who's been duped by the Ruling Paradigm!! Ahhhh!!!

The scales have fallen from my eyes (hallelujah!!!). Now I know that I should have been taking the translated, re-translated and mis-translated myths and legends of a bunch of Bronze-age, Middle Eastern goat herds literally rather than being convinced by around 150 years of careful scientific observation. How could I have been so blind? Those pesky Ruling Paradigms have a lot to answer for!

Oh yes, and please note that, previously, I freely admitted that I have no background in evolutionary biology ... just as you have no backgound in evolutionary biology, pete ...

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 01:17 PM

Well shimrod, I guess that puts us on an even footing with our arguments, except that ,other than appealing to consensus, you have not exactly presented any arguments that I can recall.......other than mockery ,like your fellow believer, Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 01:28 PM

.. so how would the theory of evolution account for Jeremy Clarkson...???

Because if God's to blame for creating him,
the big old fella upstairs has certainly worked in very mysterious ways ???

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod (Gas Pedant)
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 01:53 PM

" ... except that ,other than appealing to consensus, you have not exactly presented any arguments that I can recall..."

Because all of the evidence is out there in thousands of publications - both popular and technical - and if you must insist on pontificating on evolutionary biology, it's your responsibility to familiarise yourself with that literature; otherwise you have no credibility.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM

infer that it happened by your own philosophical preference of how you interpret the data.

Pete, you've had plenty of people explain to you the difference between "evidence" and "belief." Yet you continue to dismiss evidence. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue, and you really ought to move along discourse-wise. But then, so should we all. There is no changing Pete's mind, the best thing to do is ignore the nonsense and carry on with the topic at hand.

Now back to the topic (whoever Clarkson is).

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM

"Jeremy clarkson could explain the workings of an engine"

Really? The physics of it, the chemistry, the role of each individual part? He could tell you how the engine management system works down to the reason for the existence of each part of a printed circuit, every component, the manufacturing process involved in each of those components? He can tell us all, in understandable terms why electrons flow through the circuits the way they do, how many of them there might be? He could explain how we see the visible light from the indicators? How that is generated? Who discovered the principles behind all of the countless applications and processes involved making something as irreducibly complex as a modern car?

You could, of course find all these things out, but not off Clarkson. He just drives cars, is a TV presenter and insults foreigners. You Pete, might say the car is evidence of god (if you choose to believe it is), but if you got off your arse and put the time in to find out you'd see people have discovered the scientific principles that make a car work and used that knowledge to manufacture it.

But you won't.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 03:00 PM

You're absolutely right, SRS, but pete's endless wilful confusion of evidence and belief is peculiarly provoking and infuriating (although it has caused me to think deeply about the nature of both evidence and belief).

We should, though, stick to the topic. Jeremy Clarkson is a British TV presenter - of a BBC motoring programme called Top Gear - who has a very abrasive style which is very polarising; some people love him for his 'robust' sense of humour whilst other people hate him. Top Gear, though, is a broadcasting phenomenon and is popular in many countries throughout the world. Clarkson is notorious for his indiscretions and bad behaviour. In the incident that provoked this thread, it is alleged that he punched a producer, after a day's filming, because a hot dinner was not available to him at a hotel at which he and the production team were staying. The BBC have suspended him and are not broadcasting the last three episodes of Top Gear in the present series. Clarkson, though, is now very rich and famous and has made the BBC an enormous amount of money ... so what happens next is anyone's guess!

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 03:09 PM

I agree with Shimrod, tho' I don't get angry.
I find pete's stance very interesting and thought provoking and like Shim,"it has caused me to think deeply about the nature of both evidence and belief."

I think pete is trying to show us all a deeper truth than "science" can provide?

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 07:08 PM

I hope you're not going all 'spiritual-on-our-ass', Ake!

pete has been (has allowed himself to be?) brainwashed by religious fundamentalists.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 02:35 AM

"A deeper truth than science can provide." in all seriousness, what the flying fuck does that mean? Not having the answers means just that. It doesn't mean God did it.

Stu points out that Clarkson is not an engineer. Correct, he is a journalist who presents TV shows. pete's faith in Clarkson's ability to explain car engines is touching really. Like Preachers, Clarkson tends to explain with a big hammer.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:08 AM

Does nobody look inside themselves any longer?

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:28 AM

"Does nobody look inside themselves any longer?"

Do you think science and spirituality are mutually exclusive?

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:56 AM

"Does nobody look inside themselves any longer?"

You mean like a sort of auto-colonoscopy?

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:27 AM

Takes two mirrors and the sort of bending I could do before the advent of my beer belly.

If Akenaton looks inside himself, I wonder if he can'grasp and understand what others see? If you look inside yourself, surely you then try to lose the bigotry and hatred?

Just a thought.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 09:27 AM

pete's stance very ... thought provoking

Contradiction in terms. pete's "stance" is the antithesis of thought.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: mayomick
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 11:37 AM

 Pedro Lopez ,the Spanish waiter who served Jeremy Clarkson, on what really happened the night Clarkson punched his producer:

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/interview-with-waiter-who-served-jeremy-clarkson-the-night-he-punched-his-producer/

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 01:19 PM

HILARIOUS, I am glad someone has a sense of humour, the whole thing is very funny. Clakson will be laughing to the bank too.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: mayomick
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 01:57 PM

It may or mat not have been a spoof - very funny either way.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:02 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/deannye/funny-parody-interview-with-clarkson-waiter#.ly78kaYyA

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 07:39 AM

When you come to think of it, it's quite healthy that we see these pedestalised* superstars with their pants down every now and again. I get fed up with seeing these knobheads who make their millions from entertaining us pontificating about stuff that they know nothing about. John Lennon springs immediately to mind. This week, the world's two greatest footballers, Steven Gerrard and Martin Skrtel, have demonstrated to the planet that they are just very talented dickheads. I think Clarkson is cut from the same cloth. The sooner these arrogant guys learn that they are just like everyone else except in the very limited sphere in which they achieved success, whether it be pop music, footie or making programmes about cars, the better.


*I think I've made up a new word.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 09:29 AM

Someone beat you to it, Steve. But it has the American spelling. Good post, btw.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 10:16 AM

Bono would be my nominee in the celebrity dickhead dept..

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:09 AM

How dare you speak of God in those terms! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:13 AM

Sorry if I took his name in vain, but he a bit of a prat.

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:25 AM

Hi Steve

<" This week, the world's two greatest footballers, Steven Gerrard and Martin Skrtel,">

Hmmmmm !!! Maybe Stephen Gerrard ....just maybe..!!!

Skrtel is a whole-hearted player who gives his all ..but World Class...don't think so.

Next you'll be saying Ballotelli is World class !! LOL

I was at Anfield and saw a very physical hard-fought game. Great to watch, especially to Man United Suppporters like me !!!

Gerrard's action was totally out of character but Skrtel for once got caught for his one of his many reckless tackles.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:34 AM

Help, mods!! Troll red alert!!! There's a Man U fan about!!!

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:36 AM

(Blimey, Mike, I shouldn't have done that, should I. You know how these yanks can take you literally....)

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 12:46 PM

Oh do I really have to say it again!?

OK then ----

U P   T H E   G U N N E R S

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 12:50 PM

At least Jeremy Clarkson doesn't (often) talk about f***ing football!!

Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 01:17 PM

well, I reckon, that if football can get in here, I can carry on responding to the evolution believers. oops...stilly don't like that term, and seems to think I am misusing it. however, stilly does not say what the evidence for her belief is, and shimrod merely asserts that it is evidenced. however, the scientists have the same evidence, whatever their position on origins. and as I have said before, I have probably read or viewed more evolutionist propaganda than shimrod has read creationist.....who is the blinkered one !!    stu, you have a point so far, except that no scientist knows it all either. in fact, does any evolutionist know how it, supposedly ,works,as in the details you demand of the inner science of engines.