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Subject: BS: Why does modern folk sound so different From: cnd Date: 11 Apr 15 - 11:34 AM I don't understand why modern folk, country, bluegrass etc sound so different? Not different songs/styles, but artists doing covers of classic songs, even when they try to sound the same, almost always are pretty noticeably different. I have a couple guesses, one being that the use of multiple mics allows greater instrumental pickup, and a second that also revolves around mics, but this time that the mics are better and pick up more song. But the instrumentation isn't the only difference. Another big thing I've noticed is the singing. I'm still trying to put my finger on it, but I think it's that it sounds clearer. Also, maybe more female vocalists. Anyone else have some clues? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: kendall Date: 11 Apr 15 - 11:40 AM It's all noise to me. Loud and repetitious can never replace good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Date: 11 Apr 15 - 12:41 PM I think maybe modern mixing tends to elevate the vocals more, and there are more vocal enhancements. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST Date: 11 Apr 15 - 12:47 PM Technology and taste have both moved on. Simple as that. Is that a problem? It's all noise to me. is a really pathetic comment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: akenaton Date: 11 Apr 15 - 12:47 PM Depends who you listen to, try Gillian Welch and David Rawlings, "modern" music with all the traditional magic left in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: akenaton Date: 11 Apr 15 - 12:53 PM The way that it goes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 11 Apr 15 - 01:56 PM Kendall - "Loud and repetitious".... errrmmm.. don't that sum up much of good ol' folk music...???😜 .. shanties for instance.....????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Mr Red Date: 12 Apr 15 - 05:33 AM IMNSHO the first time we encounter a song, especially by a good musician, it does rather set the standard by which we "appreciate" the next rendition. A similar process must go on with the genre too. Newbies don't have that historical precedent and as they absorb the music - that becomes their line in the sand. The way music is made and propagated has changed, and it will leave its mark. Most notably on the hearing of the consumer. The average age at several levels of hearing loss has fallen, despite a lot of industries that used to cause hearing loss like boiler-making, rivetting, blacksmithing etc. You can't tell 'em, it falls on deaf ears. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,# Date: 12 Apr 15 - 08:47 AM Tastes in music change for some people and not for others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: akenaton Date: 12 Apr 15 - 08:56 AM Music in # is always delightful....best wishes.A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Date: 12 Apr 15 - 09:03 AM That would be my opinion too !. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Bonzo3legs Date: 12 Apr 15 - 11:32 AM "It's all noise to me" - yes very much Bellowhead!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Ed T Date: 12 Apr 15 - 01:07 PM I actually enjoy listening to various covers and variations of songs I like. It adds a new, and fresh perspective. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Bill D Date: 12 Apr 15 - 08:24 PM "Various covers" sure do add a perspective. A couple years ago I went thru a collection of many versions that someone had posted of "Hard Times Come Again No More". I found 18 that I liked a lot, 22 that were 'sorta ok'.... and 43 that made me wonder what they were thinking of! Several were incomprehensibly weird. Many 'newer' ones sounded like they were just trying to be different for the sake of being different.... which is what I suspect happens with many covers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 12 Apr 15 - 08:47 PM I keep hopin' not to hear any new and different versions of that old Paul Anka song..."Havin' My Baby". Specially not in the Rap style. There are some things that the whisky just don't make any better. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Jim Carroll Date: 13 Apr 15 - 03:32 AM All music tends to sound the same to those it doesn't particularly appeal to - any music. I'd have retired at forty if I'd been given a £ for every time somebody said - all folksongs sound the same, or all classical music, or all jazz, or blues.... or whatever type of music happens to appeal to me. I'd never heard Gillian Welch and David Rawlings, until I just searched out one of their tracks - almost exactly the same as all those country duos I walked away from when I was twenty (except slower and drearier). One of the features of music that turns you on is that you tend to listen to it closely and discriminate - a cross we all bear!! I really don't think that applies to pop music to the same extent, which has to be rem-marketed and re-wrapped periodically by the industry in order to be profitable. Today's flavour-of-the-month will "all sound the same" in a few years time. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Big Al Whittle Date: 13 Apr 15 - 04:22 AM doesn't really answer the question. I suspect there are lots of answers. In classical music - the change is very dramatic - from Elgar to everything beyond. Jazz made the big turn for me at the time of bebop. Although I love all jazz. folkmusic....abandon all hope all who enter here. some people like Jim won't allow that what most of us take to be folk music is folk music. Though how he differentiates between Gillian Welch's phoney Appalachian and Peggy Seeger's phoney Appalachian is beyond me. I think they would get on with each other. The question remains - why is it different. Perhaps because middle class intellectuals who patronise live music in concert halls want there aspirations stroked. They want to be provided with something that is not what ordinary folk are singing along to - that's what I suspect. I watched an acoustic duo, gut and steel do George Ezra's Budapest song in a pub yesterday, the field force was tangible - the whole room lit up. Also musicians - they like to kick over the traces and not be confined by the same old dull formulae. Certainly that's how the bebop, and later the Ornette Coleman sort of free form jazz must have started. Similarly with instruments. Is there a guitarists heart so dull he has never switched the amp up to eleven and felt his heart rise with excitement? THen again audiences change their expectations and professional musicians and composers have to respond to what is asked of them. I hope that has been some reasons why music has change and will continue to change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Jim Carroll Date: 13 Apr 15 - 04:52 AM Agree with your analysis Al, but to outsiders, it still "sounds the same" Pop music, I believe, is unique in its formulaic nature - it needs to sound the same to be "in" (except to the aficionados Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 13 Apr 15 - 05:26 AM Interesting. But why BS? * Pop music, I believe, is unique in its formulaic nature - it needs to sound the same to be "in" (except to the aficionados All music is formulaic - that's how idioms & traditions are defined. Such idioms will all sound the same to people who don't like them, yet within each idiom there is sufficient diversity to keep it interesting for those in-the-know. Pop Music is Popular Music - Popular as in People, all people. The myriad feral idioms of Popular Music form a continuity unbroken these past 50,000 years or more as human creativity is born afresh with each new generation who experience the self-same sense of wonder and renewal that invigorates their creative urges to paying their dues and maybe making a contribution or two themselves and so it goes on, incrementally transfiguring itself with respect of available technology. The People's Music! Here's to it sounding different for another 50,00 years! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Apr 15 - 05:33 AM I think you are wrong about pop music. It has much in common with other genres in that the worst of it is really unbearable but the best of it is truly exciting. There is also much in between these two poles which is very good pop. As for the previous comment about " middle class intellectuals" and live music , well what can one say to that ... A very odd point of view, to say the least! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 13 Apr 15 - 06:10 AM It has much in common with other genres in that the worst of it is really unbearable but the best of it is truly exciting Too subjective. What we need here is a broader objective appreciation of what is, after all, integral to our humanity. Popular Music is symbiotic with other feral aspects of popular culture such as technology, media and business. It is defined by and, to a significant extent, definitive of each epoch, and each epoch informs subsequent ones in all sorts of wonderful, exceptional and ingenious ways as each successive generation sees, hears and does it differently, and brilliantly, regardless of whether you like it or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Ed T Date: 13 Apr 15 - 08:55 AM Wouldn't it be odd and very limiting if music, or any art, were frozen in time-even though some peoples tastes in music may be so? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 13 Apr 15 - 09:10 AM Ed - yeah... it'd be like sad small minded folk limiting themselves to a diet of porridge and high fibre bread because it's all they know, and all they like...??? Whereas most of us can happily coexist with our progressively diverse tastes in food and music....😜 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 13 Apr 15 - 09:10 AM I try, God knows, but maybe there's only so much space for new music in the brain? I managed a couple of amazing new albums last year - Matt Berry, Metronony (complete with healthy back catalogue) and FKA Twiggs - all of which we bought on vinyl too... Otherwise, recent purchases are all old stuff : Soft Machine, John Coltrane, Cluster, Michael Hurley, Harmonia, John Jenkins, William Lawes, John Dowland, Fela Kuti, and after a lovely day in Liverpool the other day I bought The White Album by way of a souvenir - not forgetting picking up an old copy of Fish Rising on Saturday in Lancaster which just happened to be the 40th anniversary of its release... Happily though Popular Culture races on apace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Apr 15 - 10:04 AM Some of my recent pop purchases include Lily Allen's first album, very clever and funny. The Haunted Man by Bat For Lashes (Natasha Khan) great song writing. I also purchased Let England Shake by P.J. Harvey, Lungs by Florence and The Machine and Fifty Words for Snow by Kate Bush. All greatPop records and, I didn't notice til ,. now, all by female artists. I listen to music in a lot of genres and it all changes over time. I think that that is a good thing really. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 13 Apr 15 - 11:42 AM Big fans of Bat for Lashes here - saw her a couple of years back at Manchester Cathedral and was utterly wowed by the gal. FKA Twiggs is in a similar vain of English genius (i.e I think they both been compared to Bjork - hey! Another recent album!) but much darker in her take on R&B. I hope she keeps it up! Meanwhile - where's Natasha? Haven't heard from her for too long. Here's a favourite from the MCR Cathedral gig. What a setting!: Bat For Lashes - Horses of the Sun live Manchester Cathedral 22-10-12 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Apr 15 - 02:51 PM I hate Lilly Allen's stuff with a passion! Wigger with delusions of grandeur. But to make the point I came here to make, surely while rock music might be feral, pop music is at most farouche rather than feroce or sauvage. And Blandiver is still pretentious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 13 Apr 15 - 03:48 PM There are too many facets of Popular Music to pin it down, especially as it moves in symbiosis with other aspects off popular culture - media, technology, business, fashion, graphics - all of which are pretty fluid in terms of tradition / folklore. Rock music is a facet of pop - the processes and traditions are exactly the same (media. tech, fashion, graphics, fashion) though maybe the audience is more niche rather than feral per se. I'm going to see Magma in Manchester on election night. I bet that will be pretty niche - as my wife points out, at least there won't be too much of a queue for the ladies'. They play Pop Music in the Prog Rock idiom, sub-category Zeuhl, which draws on aspects of Jazz, Classical and Experimentalism with copious dollops of Soul thrown in for good measure. Now that is pretentious! No one cares what you hate, Richard - tell us what you love! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Apr 15 - 04:29 PM Blandiver, thanks for the link to Bat For Lashes at Manchester, lovely. I like Bjork as well, she claims Kate Bush as a major influence. I think that Kate Bush has been a seminal artist and has had a profound influence over the years. Richard, I know that Lily Allen is not to everyone's taste, but I do think she has a great sense of irony and a sharp wit. Musically, she is not terribly sophisticated, but lyrically she is very clever, at least in my opinion. Sometimes I just close my eyes and pull out a cd and play it..never know what I'll get. We both have very eclectic tastes, so the music is always a surprise and I find that there is not much that I really don't like. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 13 Apr 15 - 04:47 PM My wife's a huge & lifelong Kate Bush fan though sadly we were unable to attend on her London extravaganza! (At least I got her down for the Bowie exhibit at the V&A the year before). I really got to know & love her Aerial album. Another one in a similar mode is Jane Siberry - very idiosyncratic (and Canadian) but some of her stuff wastes me to the core. Oh - and Tori Amos. And Saint Vincent. And Cat Power. And.. and... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Hi Date: 13 Apr 15 - 04:55 PM Are we ever on the same page, St. Vincent yes..just grand . And I have a lot of Jane Siberry. But Kate Bush is just my favourite.. I love Aerial, fills me with great Joy, it really does. I didn't get tickets either, was hugely disappointed. Haven't heard Cat Power, will have to check it out. I will have to give another listen to Tori Amos. Only have her " Little Earthquakes "album but my significant other plays it more than I do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,# Date: 13 Apr 15 - 04:58 PM Calling All Angels--Jane Siberry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: cnd Date: 13 Apr 15 - 05:15 PM Wow, thanks all! I never thought it would be so popular! I guess I'll try to respond to some of your questions/comments here. Ed T and punkfolkrocker - I don't know if your comments are direccted at me, but I don't per se dislike more modern music. I was just wondering why the folks at Mudcat thought it might sound different. Blandiver (Astray) - I put it as BS because I wasn't really sure if it would qualify as relevant enough to float in the normal category. I suppose it could live in either, but I just put it here. Jim Carrol - I would tend to agree that pop is the most likely to sound the same. Here's a couple links on that. Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Big Al Whittle and Bill D - I suppose musicians wanting to be different could be part of it, but that wouldn't explain why covers still sound different. Mr Red - I think that is one of the bigger reasons, but I think you'd have to pair it up with Bill D and Big Al's comment--that musician's first style they hear may or may not be the one they base theirs off of, and then their favorites change because someone changed a little, with a domino effect. Pete from seven stars link - That's what I was thinking. Well, I think that's it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Ed T Date: 13 Apr 15 - 05:24 PM My posts were not spevifically directed at you cnd, just the topics during the discussion. While a thread OP often opens a discussion, the topics most often tends to broaden beyond the OP, much like musical style evolves, versus being frozen in time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,. Date: 13 Apr 15 - 05:42 PM I wondered, too, Garg, so I moved it to the music section. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 13 Apr 15 - 06:24 PM cnd - be assured none of my comments here were aimed at you... and thanks for opening one of the more interesting of recent threads... Though I do not deny my sarcasm is directed towards a certain element of mudcat's more hardcore musically reactionary pompous folkies....😉 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Apr 15 - 06:43 PM Thread above Hi was me. Brain to fast for fingers' or other way round. I like this thread being inBS. Not really folk but music that appeals to a wide range of people. Can we just let it be and enjoy ? I have learned a lot already, great thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Ed T Date: 13 Apr 15 - 07:03 PM An interesting site on the spectrum of music: Everything at once |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,# Date: 13 Apr 15 - 07:05 PM The Distortion of Sound--great 23 minute explanation Here's another way to 'see' the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: pdq Date: 13 Apr 15 - 07:13 PM At the begining of the 20th Century, people began adding syncopation to almost all types of traditional music. The plodding 4/4 and (sometimes 3/4 dance music) got a subtle lift. The Delmores Brothers actually swing a bit. They were Doc Watson's greatest influence as far as rhythm and harmony go. You can hear some boogie, swing and other modern affectations added to most modern music, even when it is called Folk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Apr 15 - 08:17 PM 'Why does modern music sound so different??' Because the old farts are tone deaf and brain-dead, anyway....so it doesn't matter! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Apr 15 - 08:33 PM Lets keep it positive shall we! Do have a constructive or informative comment, we love to hear it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Apr 15 - 12:38 AM Hi, GFS m'darling. Now you call on me to post, in my capacity as Official Boring Old Fart, I'll reiterate my BOF Credo to remind you that, Sub specie æternitatis, 'twill be the likes of you that won't matter:- ===Boring·Old·Fart credo: to which, at age of 80+, feel self entitled: viz that my Literature shall be Comprehensible; my Art Representational; my Music Tonal: naught else shall penetrate my perception-zone.=== Thus Spake BOFustra! ☺〠☺~M~☺〠☺ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Musket Date: 14 Apr 15 - 02:35 AM Nurse! He's out of bed again! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: Acorn4 Date: 14 Apr 15 - 04:02 AM The over-use of compression is one factor. The objective is to get your CD louder than the "opposition" so you bring all the soft bits up to the level of the loud bits and therefore lose the "light and shade" - use of things like frequency slotting do give modern recordings the clarity but if you just take a look at a modern wav file, you get the impression of a solid blob of sound. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: The Sandman Date: 14 Apr 15 - 04:27 AM in my opinion it does not sound different ,it sounds bland, samey, but then my ears are different tothe ops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 14 Apr 15 - 05:40 AM I will have to give another listen to Tori Amos. Her 2011 Night of Hunters is worth a look : a journey into the dark heart of Irish Mytholog which manages to do it without a single note of the old Riverdance creeping in, rather she bases it all on variations of familiar classical melodies. Bizarre but affecting! And be sure to check out her Xmas album nearer the time - Midwinter Graces (2009) - in which she gives an uplifting Tori twist to lots of familiar chestnuts, and points the way to a few unfamiliar ones. I especially like this one... Tori Amos - Jeanette Isabella |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 14 Apr 15 - 05:44 AM MGM·Lion: "Hi, GFS m'darling. Now you call on me to post, in my capacity as Official Boring Old Fart, I'll reiterate my BOF Credo to remind you that, Sub specie æternitatis, 'twill be the likes of you that won't matter:-" Well, glad to see you've achieved your younger goals....but some of us, as part of our goals, try to make it better for the next generation. HiLo: "Lets keep it positive shall we! Do have a constructive or informative comment, we love to hear it." See above. ....unless you REALLY want to get heavy! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Apr 15 - 06:05 AM "...make it better for the next generation" is exactly what I AM trying to do, GfS, in my struggle against the incomprehensible, the unrepresentational, and the atonal. Join me. Aux armes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why does modern music sound so different From: The Sandman Date: 14 Apr 15 - 06:21 AM im my opinion it sounds so samey because its sole raison d etre is to make money, as a result it is soulless commercial drivel |
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