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Subject: BS From: Paul S Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:30 AM It seems that nobody can create a thread that doesn't directly relate to the finer points of music, without being attacked for not using the BS prefix. Many a thread that should have, or would have, died an early death has been extended to ridiculous lengths with people arguing "fer or agin" BS (yes, I'm guilty of this too). I would like to suggest some options: 1. Get over it. While much of the BS doesn't interest me either, not everybody shares the same interests. People will talk about unrelated topics no matter where they are. PS: To quote another esteemed Mudcatter (there I go assuming my own esteem), "You're all a bunch of whiney titty-babies". |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: bbc Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:35 AM Here's my opinion, stated once before, I believe, &, hopefully, here for the last time--Being, perhaps, somewhat immodest, I don't think of the things I say as BS, but they are, sometimes, not directly related to musical topics. If I were to prefix, I'd prefer NM (non-musical) to BS. I have no problem picking & choosing among the threads & I find various ones of interest. bbc |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: sophocleese Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:43 AM Good idea Paul, a to BS or not to BS thread, a bitch session on bullshit. I like your point about getting tired of reading through the argument over and over again. It is getting monotonous and its creating more bad will than solving anything. The BS may not drive people away but the persistent arguments over it will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Bill D Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:48 AM ah, NOW we're getting to my area of expertese...meta-BS or BSBS ...I knew that all those hours in Philosophy would come in handy... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Paul S Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:51 AM This is a BS thread Bill. You're not allowed to discuss philosophy; that sometimes relates to music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Áine Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:52 AM I posted the message below earlier today on the 'Pills to Purge Melancholy' thread; however, I think it is more appropriately posted here. Forgive me for my redundancy, I just happen to love James Joyce. And Paul, you can assume your own esteem with me anytime! -- Áine ------------------------------------- This Thanksgiving holiday, I picked up my dog-eared copy of 'The Dubliners' by James Joyce and flipped to one of my favorite stories therein, 'The Dead'. I was amazed to find how relevant several bits of this story were to the things that have been discussed on this forum before and especially to the turn that this thread has taken. Below is a particularly relevant part which I hope you all will digest (along with all that leftover turkey). And to those who are not familiar with Joyce, this was originally published in 1916, which makes me consider the old addage, 'The more things change, the more they stay the same': 'A new generation is growing up in our midst, a generation actuated by new ideas and new principles. It is serious and enthusiastic for these new ideas and its enthusiasm, even when it is misdirected, is, I believe, in the main sincere. But we are living in a sceptical and, if I may use the phrase, a thought-tormented age: and sometimes I fear that this new generation, educated or hypereducated as it is, will lack those qualities of humanity, of hospitality, of kindly humour which belonged to an older day. Listening tonight to the names of all those great singers of the past it seemed to me, I must confess, that we were living in a less spacious age. Those days might, without exaggeration, be called spacious days: and if they are gone beyond recall let us hope, at least, that in gatherings such as this we shall still speak of them with pride and affection, still cherish in our hearts the memory of those dead and gone great ones whose fame the world will not willingly let die.' . . . 'But yet,' . . . 'there are always in gatherings such as this sadder thoughts that will recur to our minds: thoughts of the past, of youth, of changes, of absent faces that we miss here tonight. Our path through life is strewn with many such sad memories: and were we to brood upon them always we could not find the heart to go on bravely with our work among the living. We have all of us living duties and living affections which claim, and rightly claim, our strenuous endeavours. 'Therefore, I will not linger on the past. I will not let any gloomy moralising intrude upon us here tonight. Here we are gathered together for a brief moment from the bustle and rush of our everyday routine. We are met here as friends, in the spirit of good-fellowship, as colleagues, also to a certain extent, in the true spirit of camaraderie . . . .' |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: JedMarum Date: 29 Nov 99 - 12:12 PM I think it's easy enough to dispense with the prefix. Most threads are named appropriately and conatin enough info in the title to give the reader an idea if they are interested or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: MandolinPaul Date: 29 Nov 99 - 01:57 PM This thread is nowhere near as controversial and argumentative as I'd hoped. Come on kids. Let's see some cussin' and spittin'. OK, I'll start: Aine (and I make no apology for my lack of keyboarding knowledge to accent your name correctly), you are the whiniest, tittiest baby of them all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: BSer Date: 29 Nov 99 - 02:14 PM My current server won't host a forum like this used to be (folk songs and music, with some discussion of instruments and techniques), so I'm currently searching for one that will, and has the capability of blocking messages from addresses on a proscribed list of e-mail addresses. It will be simple to make the proscribed list, and hard to get off of it. [And it will be made available on the Forum] Postings will be noted by return e-mail addresses as well any chosen moniker, ensuring as best as possible (without elaborate measures for pre-certification) some responsibility for statements made. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Peter T. Date: 29 Nov 99 - 02:27 PM Just to raise this out of the swamp, it is worth pointing out that Gabriel Conroy in the story of "The Dead" is being undercut by his own deadness, which is revealed in this cliche-ridden speech, and which he takes a kind of awkward pride in. The reason why the story is so heartrending at the end is that the real connections to the past (his wife's love for another man, dead for love of her), and what it means to be part of the past, are unknown to him; and when he does discover the true meaning of what it would mean to know the past, he sees himself to be a failure as a human being. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS: BSer From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 29 Nov 99 - 02:29 PM Oh, goody. Let's all start our own forums that we can exclude everyone else from. Then we can sit and send messages to ourselves all day and night. BSer, if yer gonna insist on email addresses on your forum, ya might pay yer dues by posting yours here. Mine is bseedkratz@aol.com, but you could have found that out by checking Mudcat resources: it's listed there, as are those of most of the regular posters to these threads. Is yours?
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Mrs. Spinster, English Lit. Teacher Date: 29 Nov 99 - 02:30 PM Run on sentence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Mbo Date: 29 Nov 99 - 02:45 PM Love that line from Joyce! What a great author! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Micca Date: 29 Nov 99 - 02:56 PM There's another Joyce story thats very apropos here, he was approached by a fan who said "May I kiss the hand that wrote Ulysses" Joyce replied "No,I did a lot of other things with it, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Margo Date: 29 Nov 99 - 03:22 PM I really don't like the BS prefix either. I think Lyr.Add/wanted or Tune add/wanted is fine. I say down with the BS prefix and up with clicking on what looks interesting to you. Margo |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: katlaughing Date: 29 Nov 99 - 03:35 PM Here, here! Brilliant minds work along the same lines; hence, my OS instead of BS thread started this very same day. No more BS! And, I mean that, sincerely. Oh, anonymouse list maker, PLEASE LET ME BE THE FIRST ONE YOU BAN!!! Then I wil take great pleasure in promoting myself as a Banned Author!! Should be great for sales of my columns, etc.!! Thank you, thank you! kareallyLAUGHING! Oh...and Paul, you KNOW what you can do with your vitriol, doncha? Why, how dare you attack such innocents here on such a nice site!**BG** |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Paul S Date: 29 Nov 99 - 03:38 PM Freak |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Áine Date: 29 Nov 99 - 03:48 PM Oh, Paul, you've just made my day!! Am I REALLY the 'tittiest'?? You flirt, you!! Why, that's the nicest thing a fella has said to me since the boy in high school who was trying to ask me out said, 'You know the thing I like best about you, Áine?' (staring straight at my chest) 'It's your eyes.' Luv ya, Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: j0_77 Date: 29 Nov 99 - 04:13 PM Bill D ...hmmm yup you are correct - others may not understand why but I certainly do. Reading the quote from Joyce reminded of all that is bad in the exclusive publishing world. Joyce could have written a very very very long 'run on' sentence if he wanted to and we the consumer could not do anyting about that, here however we can do something about such silliness. Complain! Now where is that spaw??? Joyce is tiresome to read, I used try to but quit! If he has something to say it goes on and on and on and on ... Bullshit is bullshit! The internet is providing another door for the literate. I used to wander into a bookshop and browse, now the interenet has more variety; not only can we read 'authors' on line but have the chance to contribute as well. This revolution benifits muddie, we don't have to read any particular author, we can choose 'Spaw' or 'Bseed' or whoever. In fact it is now possibile for a person to gain popularity on the basis of his/her posts where ever they may be. I notice some folk on muddie contribute lots of stuff, others less and we all have our favorites :0) The internet is providing a whole new world for serious and creative bullshit. The rules have changed too for the sucessfull writer, it is not enough just to be in print you have to be 'online' as well. There are some writers who have gained fame and never worked a day for a publisher, Matt Drudge now has his own Radio Show! So being online is some of, though not all that is needed to become a 'writer'. Talent helps too. In printed media long paragraphs and complciated sentences used be popular but on the net the opposite is the case. The shorter the paragrah/sentence the better since the aim is to convey information not impress. Perhaps in the day of the 'Book' fancy language created the impression of intelect, here it simply looks arrogant. Bullshit needs to be accurate and easy on the eye, I don't care if Okiemockingbird is a Ph D phd BA MA MD, what he/she writes is real hard to read and boring to boot! I think Spaw called it 'philobabble', very apt! Good Bullshit is plain talkin.
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Mudjack Date: 29 Nov 99 - 04:25 PM To BS or not to BS, THAT IS THE QUESTION. Why is this an issue? Take it or leave it, filter the threads with common sense. Mudjack with BS and opinions like any other member of our community. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Blackcat2 Date: 29 Nov 99 - 04:34 PM ya know - the reason why this has been such a reasonable discussion is the BS in the title - all the whiners who look precious seconds of their days checking out each thread in hopes of the ultimate musical answer (or whatever the HELL they're doing) aren't checking out this thread precisely because of the BS - do the threat over as a lyric req for Banks of the Ohio in Yiddish and see the "Fish" you reel in! Remember though, the rule of river fishing - "Those who set their lines too deep catch only catfish and suckers." pax yall Blackcat2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Paul S Date: 29 Nov 99 - 04:43 PM Don't mind if I do, BC. 'Banks of the Ohio' in Yiddish Paul. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Nov 99 - 08:45 PM I'm personally incensed and I am not going to mince words. When you mince them they come out like oidfheedgbokuhboiadfghefilukgaekgnaegpiu. In any case, I opened this thread in hopes of finding BS and I find the dreaded music has invaded. I just got back a little while ago and I don't have time to read this music stuff. Its so beneath me....but then not much else is except my watch which I dropped while evacuating my bladder and timing my every move (flip,grabtab,zip,reach,dig,etc........) and trying to fit in time to read BS from real BS artists. It is getting hard to find any BS of quality that is BS for BS and only BS including the BS on this BS designated BS thread and ..........HEY look at all the BS in the last sentence!!!! Well just so no more music shows up to ruin the thread. Or I won't be back!!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 29 Nov 99 - 08:55 PM Kee-riced, 'Spaw, control yourself. Who in feckin' hell do you think wants to read about you peein' (unless yer peein' on yerself and we can imagine it's us what's doin' the pissin'). Everybody, altogether, imagine Catspaw in front of a cyber-pissin'-firin' squad: ready, aim, PISS! Gawd, that felt good. How was it for you, 'Spaw? --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Áine Date: 29 Nov 99 - 08:58 PM Give him hell, 'Seed! What I want to know, dear 'Spaw, is can you write your name in the snow? And is that in block printing or in script? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: JedMarum Date: 29 Nov 99 - 09:10 PM name in the snow? y'all must be yankees! It reminds me of a story I recently heard. It seems our president stepped out onto the porch of the white house and found that someone had written "Clinton's a jerk!" in urine in the fresh snow. Incensed, he returned to the Oval office and got the FBI on the phone - demanding an investigation. Several days later the FBI had "bad news, and worse news" to report to the president. "Well just let me have it," said Mr Clinton. "The bad news, Mr President is that our analysts have proven the urine to be that of Vice President Gore." The president was beside himself with anger and disappointment at his friend's betrayal. "What news could be worse than that?" he asked the FBI - "Well sir," the agent answered, "the handwriting was Mrs Clinton's." |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Nov 99 - 09:27 PM Watch it Seed.....I take lasix too!!! And we just had a few flurries too................... Geeziz Seed, can you see it now? One of our more serious scholars drops by because they have a "few extra seconds" and their curiosity is killing them and they find this? "OHMYGAWD.....That filthy Catspaw and Seed are doing golden showers now!!!!" Oy.................. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Little Neophyte Date: 29 Nov 99 - 09:38 PM Charles & Catspaw, that's disgusting |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Áine Date: 29 Nov 99 - 09:39 PM All right now, ya buggers, if ya make any money offen them golden showers now, ya better be payin' me a finder's fee! And don't even think about rippin' me off, 'cuz I use ta work fer the IRS!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 29 Nov 99 - 09:46 PM I'm trying to post a response here but I keep cracking up. Liam, I loved the joke. Shortly after the revolution two Soviet generals were walking through the snow in Siberia. One was a former aristocrat, the other a peasant. As they walked, the peasant kept exclaiming about how wonderful the revolution was, and particularly about the miracle that he and one of his former oppressors could walk together as equals. The former aristocrat nodded occasionally but said nothing. Finally, after a couple of hours of the peasant's extolling the glories of the revolution, they stopped to take a pee. "Comrade," the former peasant said. "I never cease to be amazed by the wonderful blessings brought on by the glorious revolution: here we are after walking side by side, talking as equals, a former aristocrat and a former peasant, here we are standing side by side, pissing in the snow. Isn't the revolution wonderful...but comrade, your piss isn't making a yellow hole in the snow as mine is...why is that?" At last the former aristocrat spoke: "Dot's because I'm pissink on your boot, peasant." --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Nov 99 - 09:46 PM You....YOU.........YOU........Why YYOOOUUUU... "Whinee Tittee Babeeee" Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Little Neophyte Date: 29 Nov 99 - 09:54 PM Tittee, yes Whinee, no |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 29 Nov 99 - 10:10 PM Neo, I still can't get used to "Banjo Bonnie." I think it has something to do with getting older--when the children are maturing right before our eyes (in a few short weeks, fer Gawd's sake) it makes it seem as time is just goin' by too fast. --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Little Neophyte Date: 29 Nov 99 - 10:40 PM Just think Uncle Charles, soon I'll be asking you for the keys to your car. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Nov 99 - 10:45 PM Ya need to ask sooner BB........At his age, the mind goes quickly and uh.......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Áine Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:24 PM BB (f/k/a LN), Are you referring to yourself or to 'Seed? Whatever and in any case, GO GIRL!! From the lover of all Whiney Titty Babies, Áine |
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Subject: Lyr Add: HAVE SOME MADEIRA, M'DEAR ( Limeliters) From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 30 Nov 99 - 02:00 AM La-gah-dee-um, La-gah-dee-um, La-gah-dee-um, La-gah-dee-um, Scoobie-doobie, Oogalya-doobie, Shoobie-dra-ha-ha, She was young, she was pure, she was new, she was nice, She was fair, she was sweet seventeen. He was old, he was vile--and no stranger to vice, He was bad, he was base, he was mean. He had slyly inveigled her up to his flat To view his collection of stamps (all unperforated), And he smiled as he hastened to put out the cat, The wine, his cigar, and the lamps, "Have some madeira, m'dear. You really have nothing to fear. I'm not trying to tempt you, that wouldn't be right, You shouldn't drink spirits at this time of night. Have some madeira, m'dear. It's really much nicer than beer. I don't care for sherry, and one cannot drink stout, And port is a wine I can well do without... It's simply a case of chaque-un a sonGOUT[rhymes with out] (heh, heh, heh) Have some madeira, m'dear." Unaware of the wiles of the snake-in-the-grass And the fate of the maiden who topes, She lowered her standards by raising her glass, Her courage, her eyes--and his hopes. She sipped it, she drank it, she drained it, she did! He promptly refilled it again, And he smiled as he secretly carved one more notch On the butt of his gold-handled cane: "Have some madeira, m'dear, I have a small cask of it here. And once it's been opened, well,you know it won't keep. Do finish it off; it will help you to sleep (heh, heh, heh). Have some madeira, m'dear. It's really an excellent year. Now if it were gin, you'd be wrong to say yes; The evil gin does would be hard to assess.. And besides it is inclined to affect me prowess, Have some madeira, m'dear." Then there flashed through her mind what her mother had said With her ante-penultimate breath, "Oh my child, should you gaze on the wine when 'tis red Be prepared for a fate worse than death!" She let go her glass with a shy little cry, Crash! Tinkle! it fell to the floor; When he asked, "What in Heaven?" She made no reply, Up her mind, and a dash for the door. "Have some madeira, m'dear," Rang out down the hall loud and clear, With a tremulous voice that was filled with despair, As she fought to take breath in the cool midnight air, "Have some madeira, m'dear!" The words seemed to ring in her ear. Until the next morning, she woke up in bed With a smile on her lips and an ache in her head... And a beard on her earlobe that tickled and said: "Have some madeira, m'dear?" Of course you can borrow the car... --seed(words as I remember them from The Limelighters) |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Sandy Paton Date: 30 Nov 99 - 02:35 AM Requisite academic reference, in case a few of our purists get down this far: check out Vance Randolph's collection (one of several) of raunchy yarns from the Ozarks. Title: Pissing in the Snow. Sandy
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 30 Nov 99 - 03:31 AM Sandy, I looked under . but couldn't find it. --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Little Neophyte Date: 30 Nov 99 - 08:43 AM Uncle Charles, I showed Mom the lyrics to that song of yours. I'm not sure if she liked it or not, she seemed awfully quiet. Guess what? Dads buying me a new car. I'm so excited! Thanks for the offer though, you're always so good to me. Luv Little Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 30 Nov 99 - 11:01 AM Neo, Lou Gottlieb of The Limelighters introduced "Have Some Madiera, M'dear" as "a song of seduction--which none-the-less has the seal of approval of forces for good in the community." Gottlieb was a very funny guy. I couldn't resist posting it, both because it is a hell of a funny song and as an avuncular warning not to assume innocent intentions of avuncular--or other--types on the internet (or elsewhere). And, of course, to demonstrate to the purists that even BS threads are, often as not, music threads. It's always a delight to hear from you, bonnie Bonnie. I hope I didn't give your parents too much of a scare. --uncle seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Nov 99 - 12:14 PM Once again I am offended by this thread creep which has turned a basically fine BS thread into music. I simply cannot, as I said before, spend all my valuable time on such things as opening threads to see what is in them. But since I have........ Seed, do you remember, or did you ever hear Tony Randall doing that song. YOUR old age is obviously rubbing off on me and I can't recall for the life of me where or in what context. What I DO remember was the wonderfully funny way he did it. Very gothic and sinister with that great aristocratic sounding voice. It was just great...but WHERE was it? Curse you Seed!!!!!!! sApw...no, that's SWpA, er,uh....Spaw..yeah, that's it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Penny S. Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:11 PM Thought the madeira song was Flanders and Swann's..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: MMario Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:32 PM 'Spaw's right....Tony Randall did do that at some point....geesh - when? where? Damn.....I'm almost as old as spaw and don.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: --seed Date: 30 Nov 99 - 03:10 PM Penny, you are, of course, right. They wrote it. The Limelighters had a memorable recording of it (they also sang it when I saw them at the hungry i back in ought '62). Spaw, no, I don't remember seeing that. It must have been great--I can imagine his intonations, his facial expressions. Was it on the original Smothers Brothers show? --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Bill D Date: 30 Nov 99 - 05:00 PM can't hink of a clever, creative lead -in...but here...a handy graphic for those who need such and catspaw, I'm sorry, but I'm afraid music and BS have become inextricably linked...one of the GREAT musical groups of our times decrees it! surrender!
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Bill D Date: 30 Nov 99 - 05:05 PM screwed it up, didn't I? *grin*...well, once more... and, for the 'purist snobs' among you, PURE BS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Nov 99 - 07:11 PM Gawd I love ya' Bill!!!....But that last picture has me confused....How do you tune it? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Áine Date: 30 Nov 99 - 07:19 PM 'Spaw, you're losing it, darlin' -- WITH A PITCHFORK, YOU EEJIT!! Luv ya, Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Bill D Date: 30 Nov 99 - 09:21 PM oh, Áine... it was worth the whole silly thread for that reply! (and even Inever saw it coming!...*big grin*) |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Áine Date: 30 Nov 99 - 09:30 PM Hey there, Bill -- Glad ya liked it! Trust an ole farmgirl like me to come up with a goodun (Lord knows I've shoveled enough of the stuff to know!) *BG* right back at ya, Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: lloyd61 Date: 30 Nov 99 - 09:53 PM Hew, what's all the noise about? I use to play the BS (Bassoon) in high school. Thanks for starting a thread about Bassoons. Can't you people stick the subject? Am the only one with Bassoon experience? Lets get serious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Bill D Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:15 PM *true story*...when I was in high school, they tried to get me to switch from clarinet to bassoon, but I was too smart for 'em....those bassoon reeds are flimsy, expensive, and tricky! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:53 PM Bill, you were too smart for the bassoon, And now you're an AUTOHARPIST? Lord, hep me! Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: sophocleese Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:55 PM Oh How the mighty have fallen... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Bill D Date: 30 Nov 99 - 11:17 PM *grin* the key is AUTO harp..ya tune it, ya poosha da button, ya strum it...I ain't smart enough to do them barred 'F' chords on guitar...It's sorta like a musical "Peter Principle"...the trick is knowing whether your heart is really into it.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Date: 01 Dec 99 - 03:29 PM I think Sandy meant to add Pissing in the Snow, but there are raunchy rhymes and tales in Randolph/Legman Blow the Candle Out also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BS From: Date: 01 Dec 99 - 03:40 PM Whoops, I should have signed that 'purist', who's quite out of place here. |
