BS: Guns in the USA

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 10:51 PM

Dead right, Bill. It's just rehashing the same tired arguments. You and I agree on many things about this issue and disagree on others, which is our right. The interesting thing about this thread is that the posting, over all, have been quite civil.

But I'm tired of it and won't post here again. There's no point to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 12:41 PM

Rather than wear out my fingers typing more of the same points, I refer everyone to one of the few threads I actually started: after the school shooting several years ago. I was very angry & frustrated, and continued to be as posters like "Henry Krinkle" tossed out the same tired rationalizations about 'needing' guns for self-defense and the idea that the 2nd Amendment was 'clear'.

"Shooting tragedies and guns"

It went for 1164 posts, and contains about all the arguments & positions that exist. I looked it up to remind myself of what *I* had said and how I said it. You may find your own posts there too.

Read it as far as you can stand it... (don't try to open it all at once, it will bog down your browser)...Read MY posts for a summary of what was happening, as I tried to keep the discussion on track & insert rationality into an emotional debate.

ESPECIALLY read this argument about the math of the situation and the inferences

I don't suppose many will read too far... but Mudcat does have all these threads available, and all the comments- fair, stupid, and everything in between.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 09:09 AM

Being in the Illinois National Guard from 1963 to 1971 (with a slight break so the unit could go to Vietnam), I was on the "giving end" of the bayonets. Fortunately, the only really active State duty I was on was fighting Mississippi River floods. We were called up by the Governor a couple of other times to stand-by in case we were needed for riot duty but after a week or so we were sent home without doing anything other than sleeping on very uncomfortable cots in a hot Armory building.

Don't get me started about Kent State, even though I was still (not through choice) still in Guard. Let's just say that I believe mistakes were made and let it go at that.

But I was privy to a lot of information that wasn't made public at the time. If you want to read it, the FBI files from that time are online and not all were redacted to fit J. Edgar's views.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 09:04 AM

Some, hardly a majority, truly feel that they will be fighting off tanks with rifles any day now.

Yes, and these people belong in asylum. They should be prevented from having access to paring kniives, never mind firearms.

Usually these people have no idea of what a truly horrible business war is...

Not surprising, since the evidently don't know what reality is, either.

instilled a paranoia in many in the US that, I think, continues to this day. It isn't helped by films like "Red Dawn"

Nor is it helped by craven, mostly Republican, politicians who constantly rave on about rapist Mexicans, killer Muslims, "Wars on Christianity", terrorists of every stripe and nationality out to "get" the U.S., rampaging, criminal Blacks folks, jack-booted thugs coming to "take away our guns" and all the other shibboleths that are the daily output of outfits like Fux "News"[sic].

See also Hofstadter: "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" 1964.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 08:51 AM

> I don't know who on this thread was around in '68.

I remember it vividly. It was quite as you say and possibly worse.

Even in the early '70s there was Patty Hearst and the Symbionese Liberation Army, a Native American showdown with police, and fringe claims that Watergate either proved no US administration could be trusted or that "the liberals" were trying to engineer a coup. Violent crime in big cities was setting new records.

"If you liked the '60s, you weren't really there."

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Musket sans Jaffa cake
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 04:38 AM

I'm rather heartened by Dan's reflection on what is for him a lifelong way of enjoyment.

Compare that with the awful comments earlier in the thread by someone who reckoned the Tunisian massacre might not have happened if British tourists on a beach with their children carried guns.

It isn't an American problem. We all have events to contemplate and we all have disturbed individuals who see guns as a solution not a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 03:18 AM

I'm fairly surprised to be agreeing with quite a bit of what Stim and Rapparee have said - but the fact that the US has an evil history about the abusive use and possession of guns must be faced down rather than surrendered to.

The survivalist Mad Max nutters and the "Going Postal" mentality need to be totally disarmed.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 10:18 PM

I know, #. I and every responsible gun owner I know is outraged by the actions and ranting of a few.

I think that the US, unfortunately, had an excellent chance for responsible gun laws back in 1959 or so. Back then the NRA was teaching and backing safe and responsible firearms use, certifying young shooters, and was the organization responsible for the shooting sports of the US Olympic team. Somewhere along the line the fanatics took over and here we are.

Following the JFK assassination Congress had to "do something" and they did. Among other things, they stopped the purchase of guns by mail. Then MLK and RFK were assassinated in 1968 and Congress again had to "do something" so more laws were passed.'

I don't know who on this thread was around in '68, but there was a lot of talk of "Revolution" and "bringing the [Vietnam] war back home." Yes, there was violence by the police, the National Guard, and the US Army. There was also violence by the Black Panther Party, the Weathermen, the KKK, and others. Apart from small groups like the SLA, most of this stopped following the shootings at Kent State.

All of this, coupled with the then-raging Cold War, instilled a paranoia in many in the US that, I think, continues to this day. It isn't helped by films like "Red Dawn" which play up the "we folks have to defend the US by ourselves" ideology.

I have spoken with many who fear the US government (I don't think that the military took over Texas a couple of months ago). Some, hardly a majority, truly feel that they will be fighting off tanks with rifles any day now. Usually these people have no idea of what a truly horrible business war is as they have fed each other on "Red Dawn" idea and that the US Constitution is being ignored and has to be "restored."

Personally, I find the rich/poor gap to be more frightening. There are, however, some signs of rationality starting to show up.

Sorry for the long post, and remember that these are my personal musings.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 09:54 PM

Meanwhile, in Canuckistan, we have a Senator that has introduced Bill S-231. Her synopsis is self-contradictory and convoluted to say the least. On her own page about this, the first sentence reads, "I am one of those people who believe that people don't kill people, guns do." Now, don't get me wrong. I have said MANY times that good gun laws are good gun laws and bad gun laws are bad gun laws (we have both in Canada and the good far outnumber the bad so I wholeheartedly support almost all of them) BUT this idiot is why sane and insane people rail against any gun laws. I disagree with them for the most part but I understand their angst.

Yeah, I know. I said I was going away. But, this shit just came across my radar today. You can Google it... but you can't make sense of it... I sure as fuck can't. How do you make a firearm illegal and then make provisions for the ownership and transport for it? Seriously... search out what she has written. How the FFFF does someone that braindead get into the Senate of Canada???

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Lighter
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 02:36 PM

> we, that is us "Americans", hold a particularly dangerous idea sacred, and that idea is that when we are outraged or angered to a certain degree, it's OK, or even admirable to "go Postal."

As you say later, only nuts think that way. Only nuts hold that idea "sacred." Most brawls that result from outrage or anger are brief fistfights - though some of course do involve weapons.

And the violent movies and TV shows are popular worldwide - even in Britain and Japan, where gun violence is rare. Overseas genocides, beginning with the Assyrians, have taken place where there are no violent films to encourage societal violence.

No *single* factor (like violent entertainment, or the availability of guns, or mental illness, or the fact that we are Americans) explains gun violence or would truly eliminate it if only better managed.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 01:12 PM

When we see Tony Soprano or Walter White commit mayhem on their antagonists

Or George Bush, for that matter. Or the State of Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 11:50 AM

It isn't guns, per se, that are the problem, although easy access to weapons of war has become a problem of its own.

The actual problem is that we, that is us "Americans", hold a particularly dangerous idea sacred, and that idea is that when we are outraged or angered to a certain degree, it's OK, or even admirable to "go Postal", and that violence is a legitimate last resort when things don't go the way we want them to.

This is an idea that we reinforce and restate often in films, on television, in video games, on talk radio, in internet discussion forums, and in casual conversation, and even in political dialogue (not so much in books, and hardly ever in poetry, tho).

Most of us know better than to shoot anyone with our 300 million odd weapons, and just express the "nuke em" response out of annoyance or frustration, but there are some among us, including mentally and emotionally distressed, socially and economically alienated, and otherwise marginalized individuals, who act it out.

When we see Tony Soprano or Walter White commit mayhem on their antagonists, we feel satisfied and relieved that "frontier justice" has finally been done, but when someone walks into a theater, or a school, or church, we shake our heads and wonder why.

The thing is, more and more, the behavior is moving from the margins to the mainstream, and from law enforcement to foreign military action, the "last resort" has become the "first response".

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 10:13 AM

You're a responsible gun owner. Many people aren't. It's the irresponsible gun owners causing the problems. I'd have no concerns being in a room with you whether your were carrying or not. In fact I have been in a room with you and Pat. Don't assume that it's you being discussed as part of the problem. You aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 09:29 AM

I own guns. Pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns. I use them for various types of target shooting, of the sort done in the Olympics. I no longer hunt; my last hunting trip consisted of sitting around a wood stove with my brothers and friends, drinking coffee, eating doughnuts, and swapping lies -- it was a good hunt.

I'm not frightened and I'm not afraid of regulation (there is some and I suspect that there is more coming) that's not an ill considered, panicked response to something awful. The best thing that could happen, in my opinion, is for everyone to sit down, exchange rational dialogue, come up with a plan, pass it into law, and be done with it.

All towns in Ye Olde Weste than I'm aware of had laws against carrying guns in town and against concealed weapons. Yes, even Dodge City, no matter what Marshal Dillon would have you believe...and after the gunfight with Phil Coe (look it up) there is no indication that even James Butler Hickok ever shot anyone again (he was marshal in both Hays and Abilene, KS, but not in Dodge City).

Yes, I agree with those Olde Weste laws, and I'm one of the vast majority who do NOT carry a gun as part of my daily wardrobe (I might possibly carry a sword though, were it legal). I do travel with a gun -- from my home to the target range and back -- but not otherwise. And I respect the laws of other nations (and States) and would not intentionally break any of them, whether I disagree with them or not.

I can serve as an example for others, especially children, but I don't have the money to do much else about gun control or a lot of other things. In the meantime, my firearms are securely locked up separate from what little ammunition I have in the house and I try to follow all the rules for gun safety.

Sorry for the long posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 09:02 AM

"whatever is posted here or elsewhere will not change anything -- especially a) if the posters are not from the US"

Good ideas don't stop at borders. They never have and they never will. However, if you mean the input from non US citizens won't change American legislation, I agree. Mantras aren't actions.

Many posters have recognized the influence of the NRA and its despicable misuse of the second amendment to the US constitution. Of course the NRA chooses not to mention the little caveat about a well-regulated militia. There is nothing well-regulated about gun ownership in the US, and most gun owners are not members of any militia. Too many of them are themselves frightened people.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 10:39 PM

Mayhap it has been learned that whatever is posted here or elsewhere will not change anything -- especially a) if the posters are not from the US, and, b) their holier-than-thou attitude fails to take into account such things as history and the effects of media on a culture.

There ya go, gnu! That oughta stir 'em up!

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 10:34 PM

HBO Documentary
Requiem Spring

currently playing. do not miss it.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 09:24 PM

That's more like it, #! God be kickin ass country style with fire and wide brimmed-stoned hats! Yeehaw! >;-)

Sigh. Where are the arseholes? I mean, you know, the guys who just wanna slag others instead of talking about gun legislation that really matters? Have we actually graduated to serious discussion?

Well then, I guess I won't be back in a thousand posts. How refreshing for a change. A civil discussion without bullshit. Imagine that. On Mudcat.

Sorry for my cynicism. I am just havin a bad day. But #'s song post cheered me up. Great tune!

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,#
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 08:35 PM

Here ya go, Gnu.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 06:56 PM

WTF?! Not even a hundred posts so far? The good old days are gone when we could rack up the better part of a thousand posts in a week on a gun thread. Fuckin wimps! Where are the trolls and the assholes? This place has slid seriously uphill!

Listen up all and sundry. I have to provide some impetus if we are going to have an indignant, self aggrandizing, holier than thou, bullshit diatribe that condescends any serious discussion of GUNS. Therefore...

Gods don't kill people, people with Gods kill people.

Surely that will refresh all the fuckin bullshit I have read in this forum about guns and religion that I have PAINfully read over the past fifteen or so years.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 01:26 PM

just so you know, kids, for some reason, are unnerved by gunfire.

Wimps. Pussies. They need to take an NRA course. This is AMERICA!   USA!! USA!! USA!! USA!!

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 11:48 AM

I thought so, too, Greg, but it turns out not. You can get a special permit, or you can get a job with the animal control department thinning the herd. We like to call them "Bambi Killers" and have tried, to no avail, to get them to desist while kids are waiting for the school busses, but that is apparently prime deer killing time. just so you know, kids, for some reason, are unnerved by gunfire. Who knew?

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 09:57 AM

Charging, ravaging street gangs of killer deer. Be afraid, Stim, be very afraid.

but there is actually quite a lot to hunt in the city.

And its actually quite illegal to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 06:15 AM

Stim - longbow or crossbow?

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 01:28 AM

not meaning to sidetrack the discussion, GUEST, but there is actually quite a lot to hunt in the city. I live in an affluent, heavily populated suburb of a major metropolitan area, and our county has a huge deer population-there were about 2000 auto/deer collisions last year. It is not uncommon to see five or six roaming through neighborhoods at dusk, ravaging gardens, shrubs, and ornamentals.

Though our UK friends may not know that our state has stringent regulations on the use of firearms, the deer do, and they are quite brazen, and have been known to charge when confronted.

There is relatively little gun violence here (which seems to be the only kind people object to), you are about a hundred times more likely to have a Deer-initiated auto accident than to be shot-

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 10:37 PM

That Sanders article makes a lot of sense. Guns in rural areas for hunting, but not assault rifles, which among other things would be a very unsportsmanlike way to hunt animals; and no guns in the city since there's nothing to hunt there but other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 10:12 PM

So? Time for some good gun laws? Like those (good ones... we had some bad ones mixed in and that's why our present government fucked up in trashing the good ones along with the bad ones) in Canada?

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 09:20 PM

More common sense from Bernie:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/06/29/bernie-sanders-guns/29472567/

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 05:37 PM

Its pretty much all down to the unholy alliance betweeen the National Rifle Assassination (of wch I was once a member before they went brain-dead about 1978) and the gun manufacturers.

The gun manufacturers will do literally anything to make a profit, have been pouring millions (billions?) into the NRA coffers for decades, and neither outfit cares how many die as a consequence of their BS fear-mongering and hysteria about the jack-booted gov't comin' fer yer gunz & the rest of their shameless disinformation.

And, of course, the idiots who actually BELIEVE the NRA bullshit are as much to blame as anyone.

This from a gun owner, target shooter & hunter of 60 years' standing.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 04:57 PM

Many of us on THIS side see no need for gun ownership by the average person. But too many of the 'average' ones have generations of different opinions telling them it's the thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 03:24 PM

Well done Old Dude, thats a step in the right direction. I think that most people on this side of the pond cannot concieve the "need" for guns in the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Olddude
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 02:54 PM

I use to know who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. Guns in the hands of good guys is fine, however lately I have to think none maybe better. This is from a guy that is license to carry in a pile of states. I sick of thugs killing, thugs in cop uniform killing etc. Time to address the constitution, I will put mine down iftthey do

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 04:18 PM

Yes, they were reasoned and thoughtful. Neither of us told you to f**k off.

You have that effect upon many people.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 03:41 PM

I will now go away

Promises, promises.....

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 03:13 PM

Reasoned, thoughtful responses.
Thank you for you knowledge and input.

All the indications are that more such attacks can be expected.
I hope no-one you care about becomes the next helpless victim.

I will now go away.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 02:21 PM

You're absolutely right, Keith - its NOT relevant. But your...err.... stuff generally isn't.

Now go away.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 02:06 PM

Oh go away Keith

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 02:00 PM

Perhaps it is not relevant, but I have been watching video of the massacre of 38 tourists, mostly British and Irish, on a beach in Tunisia.

The killer strolls casually around, emptying and changing his magazines and tossing grenades.

Eventually someone arrived with a gun and stopped him, but he must have been low on ammo by then anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Tradsinger
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 11:33 AM

It's really very simple - the fewer guns there are in the community, the fewer people die.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,Olddude
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 10:45 AM

Look just start with getting rid of gun shows and watch the illegal firearms dry up. As long as that loophole is open no new laws will do anything

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 03:26 PM

Donuel, I think Steven Colbert has the ability to make clear to audiences what's truth and what's exaggeration. Even though you mentioned that your list of "quotations" was fictional, that one word was easy to miss.

Donald Trump, like George W. Bush before him, says enough that is outrageous, that there is no need to make things up. Doonesbury did a great job on comic strips made entirely of exact quotes from Bush - no need to make things up.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 04:32 PM

I understand the criticisms and can empathize with your ethics.

However by that standard there would never have been 90% of the comedy routines by Steven Colbert let alone the hilarious claims of Prescott Pharmaceuticals.

The extremely hateful comments purportedly by the Donald are a punch in the gut that could leave an emotional scar but never one as cutting as the true situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:32 PM

Looks like Hilary is in for a run in the Democratic primaries. And Bernie Sanders will be setting the pace.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:26 PM

That's a relevant issue now that Trump has declared himself a candidate for President. The "birther" movement will no doubt be demanding more conclusive proof than the short-form birth certificate that he provided.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:51 PM

Donald Trump's attempt to prove to Bill Maher that his father was not an orangutan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc0JJi71MEc

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 09:08 AM

Australian comic Jim Jefferies on Americans and guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:56 AM

Found it Joe.

It was in the cookie jar.

Which is strange because we don't have such things over here. A bit like guns really.

(The VPN settings strip cookies from time to time and I need to go through the ruddy thing to be able to access work accounts.)

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:39 AM

Yeah, that's very misleading, Donuel. Misinformation isn't helpful to anyone.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Guns in the USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:18 AM

Donuel, your list, imo, is less than helpful. I realize that you labeled it 'fictional' but you put false words in his mouth. Trump, according to his own public stance is anti-gun control but he says he IS for background checks as well as a couple of other things that should slow weapon acquisition.

I am no fan of Donald Trump, far from it. I consider him a blowhard and a farce,; the only thing I hope for him is that he DOES stay in the race. His candidacy is entertaining and if he were to get the nomination there is no way on the gods' green earth that Republicans would get into the White House this time 'round.

But I much prefer actual quotes. In his case he doesn't need exaggeration.

Subject: RE: A Champion of Guns in the USA
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:33 AM

Your Champion for more guns in America could be Trump, the Donald.

I can't say enough good things about the man, the legend and the leader. In fact I can't think of a single thing.

I think Trump is a great spokesman for the fallicies and fraud of most gun arguments by putting believable words in his mouth.
Mostly I make fun of the man who would buy America.

In 3 years a hundred thousand people are not alive to offer their opinion on guns or the freedom from guns.

Nonsense posters and claims of a fictional trump quotes no matter how outrageous would certainly be believed. All quotes would be attributed in small print to "Citizens United for Unified Unitedness".

I say killem with kindness. I'm sure you could come up with some Trumpisms/Foxisms that would appear to support his candidacy.
No lie would be unbelievable if it came from Trump, so why not kill two birds with one stone.

What would a domain name for Donald sound like? Trumpissimo
Amazing Trump, Trump for zerP, Trump Unchained. Trumo for president.
Hair brained

Outrageous quotes of your/his remarks about women might still raise eyebrows. His remarks about Hispanics already raised a few cockles.
The self serving NRA has not done any favors for anybody in a long time. 20 years they totally changed.
Here are some fictional claims linking Trump with the NRA. to DT


"The fifth branch of the Military is the NRA at home." The Donald

"The NRA is more powerful than all our governors put together." Trumo

"The NRA has 3 black employees , therefore they are not now or ever before racist". dT

The NRA is proud of the increasing effectiveness of the stopping power of the American white majority of gun owners.

" White people everywhere, Stand your ground wherever you are. DT

"The NRA is the single best defender of the US Constitution and border." T

"The NRA is more decisive than the Supreme Court."

"You owe your freedom to the NRA BUT the country OWES me" Dt

"The NRA is the first to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of fun." D.T.

"Minorities like MLK owed their life to the NRA." DT

Without Winchester, Colt and Remington the American Indian would not be alive today.

The Solution that keeps on giving is the blood spilled for the NRA. DT

The NRA is saving the USA one gunshot at a time. DT

If you've never hunted, you should be. D.T

Civil Rights are actually the responsible ownership of guns. DT

The NRA's Second Amendment solution is the blood of illegal aliens DT

"I'm sure the kids at Sandy Hook were proud to HELP preserve the second amendment." DT.

"I will fire Putin's Iran" DT

Better dead than blue DT